Friday, March 20, 2009

Civilians come trickling in again

The flow of civilians into Army's hands has again increased thanks to the efforts of the 55 Division. This week alone some 8,000 civilians escaped the LTTE's clutches. 1,400 escaped and handed themselves over to the Army today. Some of these civilians have escaped with gunshot wounds caused by LTTE attack teams along the way.

The IDPs often have blood-chilling experiences to tell. They claimed today that at least 25 bodies of Tamil civilians killed while escaping from forced LTTE detention centers within the last few days by the LTTE were now floating on the Chalai lagoon.

Many Human Rights groups and NGOs have criticized what they are allowed to see, which is the rehabilitation centers operated by the government. They claim the civilians are being held in "Illegal Detention Centers" in Vavuniya. The western experience of Nazi concentration camps does not apply to the centers in Vavuniya as the former is to herd people to slaughter while the latter is to keep them from harms way.

These organizations have little or no firsthand experience on what is actually happening inside LTTE controlled areas. They charge the centers are heavily guarded by the Army and question why civilians are held inside impenetrable camps surrounded by barbed-wire fences.

The reality these organizations do not understand is that the fortifications are for the protection of the civilians themselves, who have turned their backs on the LTTE and made a perilous journey to safety. The LTTE considers them to be traitors and will make every effort to 'punish' them. These civilians have to be protected at all costs since the motivation to escape from the LTTE's clutches was the lack of security in the first place.

A large number of hardcore LTTE cadres hiding among the civilians have been identified by the Army and, due to prevailing political conditions, have been handed over to the Police where they have been produced in court in accordance with the law. From that point onwards the Vavuniya Magistrate would take-over and dispatch these cadres to either rehabilitation camps or to their respective families.

The government, at this point in time, is willing to overlook the possibility of the cadres reorganizing themselves as part of an insurgency/terrorist movement. The Army has to tag this line of the government without questioning. This is despite MI warnings of buries LTTE weapons and explosives dumps and suicide cadres hiding among the civilians.

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Ananda-USA said...

Ian said...


Simplest thing Sri Lanka as a state can do is to appoint a dedicated Task Force under Ministry of Defense to pursue the matter of reducing the collections of funds from the Diaspora. At least one person should be loated in each of our embassies in counrties where large number of the tamil diaspora live. The simple job description for the task force would be to;


Ian, these are great suggestions, entirely within the laws of the host countries. It would be great if you write this up, and submit to the MOD and to the Presidents office in Sri Lanka.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Back after some time.

There seem to be some pillow fights. Sadly that is the nature. I hope everyone ended happily.
So I would not add some more two cent's worth to proposed big army or local defence industry and restart the debate.

I'm more interested in few issues at hand right now.


Re: HMS [His Monkey's Service] Wanking Man

Set to start sailing [not literally] on March 26th. I am more than sue that they will never come to Sri Lanka. This is another gimmick by diaspora. Now that they published itinerary, they are looking for a reason to either abandon the journey or anchor at some other place. The reason should be the fault of SL. And they would make a huge noise over the matter providing propaganda bubblegums for their mouthpieces of media and NGO.

Interesting if they cannot link their possible failure to SL. Then they will make some funny reason like bad weather or some other. Remember that Thirumalavan monkey's fast unto death and TN MP resignation.

GOSL and SLDF did right thing so far.Putting diplomatic pressure and giving them stern warning. However, we should try more right now. I believe we should be able to get international detective support in investigating the organizers etc. Once the ship comes ashore somewhere [most unlikely SL], I like to see police waiting with handcuffs.

Another good answer is if SLDF can capture all shore while they are in deep waters. So if they come here, they have nowhere to land.

Re: Safe Zone

Now that we have less than 10sqkm left out of Safety Zone. So it is time to think of what we are gonna do with the zone. I dont think that remaining ~50000 civilians will leave it before we capture. We need to shrink its size. WE have to exclude the noted pussycat spots and declare many smaller blocks of safe zones. If Pussycat HSZs are already void of civilians as heard in web media, that eases our work of relocating civilians.

Bottom line is that we should declare many smaller safe zones within the big block and use air power on its outside once civilians move inside. We can watch 24x7 and make sure that heavy guns and big leaders do not move from where they are now.

I hope SLAF has some night viewing capability. This is a must for them right now and many years to come.


Re: April elections

How likely is BJP victory? Hope GOSL has planned for contingency.


Re: Pussycats coming thru civilian protocol

I am not at all surprised. We predicted this and feared. Now we need to have a broader plan for detection, interrogation rehab and settlement.

Both Mahen and DW are stating that GOSL is over-riding the concerns of MI and SLDF. THIS IS A GRAVE CONCERN.

Anxiously waiting for a major good news.

Miss Information said...

Sam Perera said...


"I want to stick to the Karuna's issue here. Are you an advocate of peace? Do you advocate negotiations with LTTE? If yes, and if Prabakaran lays down weapons tomorrow agreeing to a solution within strict limits of an undivided Sri Lanka, how do yo suggest us proceed?"


I am an advocate of peace. There will be no peace with VP and the LTTE as they have proven they are not interested in it unless it suits their need to re-arm.


A ceasefire is needed to evacuate the citizens though... tough call when you have a criminal like VP on the run but tough calls are what brave governance is all about.

The GoSL can stop the fighting right now and keep the LTTE from re-arming as they have them boxed in. Get the people out at any cost and then bring the present LTTE leadership to face its judgment.

Killing many innocent Tamils just to get VP only serves to reinforce the idea that the GoSL are enemies to their own people.


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Miss Information said...

Sam Perera said...

"Ok Miss Information,

I just took my liberty to read a few of your comments ar Puligal and they are very interesting indeed. I paste one comment from you for everybody's convenience below.


"Time for a ceasefire.


Time for leaders on both sides to man up and back down for the sake of the many innocent folks who want peace and prosperity... and are willing to negotiate just that."


OK, you want a ceasefire when LTTE is cornered and about to be killed of conventional capabilities. Previously, I have seen such shameless requests from Wiki-Kiri Joker Wing of UNP and other useless bastards like Bahu and Sirithunga. If you are one of them, I have a very few words for you. That is, you have a very spacial place in garbage bins of Sri Lankan history. When you drive around next time, please feel free to the general public of Sri Lanka and you are guaranteed to be in the absolute minority. Don't speak too much since you may not go home in your current form. I look forward to see your posts in DW in the future.



Perhaps you should shy away from silly threats and personal insults as they only serve to undermine whatever you say that may be valid.


I am fine with the LTTE being wiped out but not at the cost of thousands, or even hundreds, of innocent lives.

The GoSL has the military advantage right now but is going to lose the propaganda advantage if it does not, first and foremost, protect the people in harms way.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Perhaps if it were your family getting blown to pieces in the jungle you might see the value of a ceasefire.


P.S... Quite a few of my posts at Puligal have been removed in addition to a few others. They are intemperate propagandists who are unable to accept any criticism of their beloved VP.... it seems you are not that much better in that regard.



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Saman said...

Ian,

/My motto: Country First. Religion second and the party next./

There seems few good UNPers left:-)

Peter said...

How a Banda lost his job:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7956570.stm

You can take a Banda out of the moda land, but the modaya out of a Banda?

Observer said...

Peter

From the link you posted..

""That is what I ask everyone else to do - respect the country where you are working and living"

Keep this in mind where ever you are in this earth.

Observer said...

In essence,

when you are in britain try to be liek a british person.. not like a filthy ltte terrorist..

Peter said...

Lol! That's why lost his job.

Classic Banda.

Peter said...

I'm working in China now. I don't speak Chinese; never will. Nor will any of my colleagues here.

Peter said...

Of course, I fully sympathies with any Sinhalese wanting to shed their identity at first given opportunity.

Thankfully, I'm a Tamil. Whichever corner of the world I may work or live in, I remain a Tamil.

Saman said...

Single,

/We must use paid Mafia killers, Mercinaries or our own Special Forces team to track down and erase LTTE fund collectors and International players like K.P./

This would be counter productive.

Ian's proposal has lot of merit. He is marginally on the e-governance concept which currently being developed as an alternative tool to fight the corruption.

Also, we msut develop stratergies to counter actve participation in seperatism not only within but also outside the country. Any Sri lankan citizen, (no matter which race they are from) needs to be, by law, made accountable. Of course raising funds for seperatist movement falls in to that category.

A good starting point would be to send strong signals to show that GoSL is damn serious about this issue by confiscating civil rights/property of those who evidently go involved. There must be a special unit just to look after this aspect. That unit should have powers over and above civil/criminal courts.

phaedrus said...

Don't know anyone has posted this here before, but anyway here goes.

Pioneer of Buddhist revivalism

Might be useful history to some buddhists.

Peter said...

Banda kicked out of LibDems

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/homenews/Lib-Dems-suspend-Sneinton-postmaster/article-786035-detail/article.html


Lol!

Caveman Velu said...

With all due respect, DW, you are preaching to the choir. This should be distributed in News media.

velluprabhakaran said...

tamils love to hang on to their identity.

deepest sympathies. ha ha ha!

http://www.tamilnation.org/images/culture/caste.jpg

Jambudipa said...

peter,

look what you've done buddy. you provoked the generally peaceful Sinhalese to attack your entire race. this is how your politicians such as GGP and chelvanayagam operated too.

everytime they opened their mouth, they killed a few tamils. lord knows how many tamils died becuase of you now.

velluprabhakaran said...

someone should get a copy of rev. oswald gomis's 2009 independence day statement to understand the official position of the catholic church. (not the catholic soldiers). i saw it. very revealing. this is how & why most catholics end up supporting the UNP. if they become pro PA they feel anti church. from what i understand the church comes first for catholics. all else comes later.

I still haven't seen a single cathoilc condemn this anti patriotic new year statement.

it was anti war as hell. it kept on criticizing the army operations & asking for ceasefires. but not a word about terrorism, prabhakaran or LTTE.

the stetment was deliberately meant to look as if he we were living in a country like new zealand while the army was just killing for pleasure.

maybe rayappu joseph wrote it & arch bishop oswald gomis just read it.

BTW rayappu is supposed to be hiding with vesapillai inside a bunker.

velluprabhakaran said...

any sinhala who wants to give an iota of self rule to the uncivilised tamil race should get his head examined. it's because of the sinhala influence that the tamils in colombo are not cruel & primitive. the way vesapillai treats the tamils who sought his protection further proves it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tamilinfoservice.com/manitham/image/2004/dalit.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tamilinfoservice.com/manitham/form/petition/3.php&usg=__jwW0OZa2iRoAAdDHQMPc8vZw4yk=&h=224&w=300&sz=21&hl=en&start=24&um=1&tbnid=aad0AonwFZmAzM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtamil%2Bdalit%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enLK307LK307%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1

FA-14-2004: INDIA: Brutal attack on Dalits settlement in the Kalapatti Village, Coimbatore District, Tamil Nadu by upper caste

INDIA: Caste discrimination; Attack on the Dalit community; Right to housing
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Dear friends,

The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) is forwarding an appeal from the Dalit Human Rights Monitoring (DHRM) on the brutal attack on Dalits settlement in the Kalapatti village of Coimbatore district, Tamil Nadu, India, by the dominant caste people on 16 May 2004.

We have attached for you the 10-page document written by the DHRM fact-finding team who visited the place of the incident and met several victims. For more detailed information about this incident, please visit: http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/pdf/kalapatti-fact-findings.pdf

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Dalit Human Rights Monitoring (DHRM).

Urgent Appeals Desk
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)


25/5/2004

Brutal attack on Dalits settlement in the Kalapatti village of Coimbatore district, Tamil Nadu, India, by the upper caste people on 16/5/2004

The People's Watch -Tamil Nadu and the Dalits Human Rights Monitoring (DHRM) are deeply concerned over the brutal and inhuman attack on a Dalits settlement in the Kalapatti village of Coimbatore District, Tamil Nadu, India by the upper caste people of the same village. Nearly 100 Dalits' houses were attacked by 200 upper caste members using swords and other sharp and deadly weapons. Many Dalit houses were burnt and properties like televisions, grinding machines and cycles were damaged or set on fire.

The perpetrators also killed the cattle of the Dalits and set fire to the cattle. They assaulted women by sexually abusing them trying to pull off their sarees. Nearly 100 Dalit houses were completely burnt to the ground due to these fires. Most of the people sustained serious injuries all over their bodies including their heads, necks, backs, cheeks etc due to the cuts caused by the sharp weapons. The upper caste people also pushed the Dalits to the ground and stamped them with their legs, abusing them using degrading caste names. The dominant caste mob had taken away money and jewels from the Dalit houses as well during the violence.

This brutal attack was carried out for nearly two hours, from 6.30 -8.30 p.m. The Dominant caste mob was so violent that the 8-month year baby boy of Gopal and Nithya, who was sleeping in a cradle, was hit against the wall in a most inhuman manner. Also a 75 year old Muthan s/o Mottaiyappan who was just then returning from work to the village was hit by sharp weapons immediately when he got off from the bus. This innocent old man did not know for what reason he was attacked so brutally. Another old woman named Valliammal (45 years) w/o Kittan was hit on her head and started bleeding badly when she went to rescue her son. Most of the Dalits tried to escape to save their lives. But they were further stopped on their way out and attacked with weapons once again. In this occurrence, 14 Dalits were severely attacked with sharp and deadly weapons, and they sustained terrible injuries, and have been admitted to the Coimbatore Medical College Hospital. Today their lives and security are threatened.

In the light of the above occurrence, we would like your solidarity in condemning this brutal attack, which is the result of the horrendous caste system that prevails in India. Find enclosed the findings arrived by our Fact- Finding team, who visited the place of occurrence and met the victims. (Refer to the website address above.)

We request you to demand immediate action by the respective authorities on this violence against the Dalits in India.

PLEASE SEND APPEALS IMMEDIATELY TO:

1. Justice J. Anand,
National Human Rights Commission
Sardar Patel Bhaven, Sansad Marg,
New Delhi 110 001
INDIA
Tel: +91 11 2 334 0891 / 2334 7065
Fax: +91 11 2 334 0016
E-mail: nhrc@ren.nic.in

2. The Chairperson
The National Commission for Women
4, Deendayal Upadhyay Marg,
New Delhi 110 002
INDIA
E-mail: member_secretary@ncw-india.org

3. Dr. Bizay Sonkar Shastri
Chairman
National Commission for SCs/STs
5th Floor, Loknayak Bhawan,
Khan Market,
New Delhi-110 003
Tel: +91 11 2 4632298 / 2 4620435
E-mail: chairman-ncscst@ncscst.nic.in

4. Shri A.Sathyanarayana
Assistant Director
National SC/ST Commission
National Commission for SCs and STs,
2nd Floor, Block-5, Shastri Bhawan,
Haddows Road, Chennai 600 006
Tamil Nadu Province
INDIA
Tel: +91 44 8276430 / 8271546

5. Justice Thiru S. Thangaraj
The State Human Rights Commission, Tamil Nadu
35, Thiru Vi.Ka.Salai
Royapettai, Chennai 600 034
Tamil Nadu Province
INDIA
Tel: +91 44 28114407
FAX: +91 44 28114404

6. The Chief Minister
State Secretariat
St. George Fort, Chennai 600 009
Tamil Nadu Province
IDNIA
Tel: +91 44 25670132
Fax: +91 44 25671441
E-mail: cmcell@sec.tn.gov

7. Secretary to Chief Minister
Secretary-1 to the chief Minister, Tamil Nadu
Chennai, Tamil Nadu Province
INDIA
Tel: +91 44 25672504(O), 26216699(R)
Fax: +91 44 25671441, 25673323,24892840
E-mail: secy1tocm@tn.gov.in

In Solidarity,

Dr. P. Sekar
Programme Co-ordinator
Dalit Human Rights Monitoring (DHRM)
People's Watch - Tamil Nadu

National Co-ordination Office:
No.6, Vallabhai Road, Chokkikulam,
Madurai - 625 002.
Tel: +91 452 2531874 / 2539520
Fax: +91 452 2531874
Mobile: +91 98421 68510
E-mail: dhrm@pwtn.org, dhrm@dishnetdsl.net
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Please also send a letter to:

Mr. Doudou Diene
Special Rapporteur on Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance
Room 4-041
Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
Palais Wilson,
Rue des Paquis 52, Geneva
SWITZERLAND
Tel: +41 22 9179271
Fax: +41 22 9179050

Mr. Miloon Kothari
Special Rapporteur on adequate housing
Room 4-066
UNOG-OHCHR, CH-1211, Geneva 10
SWITZERLAND
Fax: +41 22 917 9010
E-mail: rhada.hcr@unog.ch


Thank you.

Urgent Appeals Programme
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)

Saul said...

Mahen said:

Jay,
There is a difference between "The Mahen" and "The Peter".


Yes Mahen, he is Peter, you are fast becoming a Repeater. :)

Thanks for the update DW, not much to do directly with the battles though.

NOLTTE=Peace said...

No wonder why LTTE earned the nick name of the 'Armed Wing of the Church'

These men and women are a disgrace to the Catholic faith

velluprabhakaran said...

it's obvious the sinhala treats the tamils much better than the tamils do.

the sinhala never kill sinhala with swords for housing & other amenities. instead we build houses & try to improve the living conditions of our citizens. even as the LTTE MF's effect most of our budget thru weapons procurements.

tamils will take thousands of years to come to our level of thinking.

Anonymous said...

Dear Thusitha
You may not know, but the Catholic Clergy is by religion prohibited to get involved into any political matter or that of war, though in the past many may draw to how certain figures did so, a majority abides by this policy, they are appointed as religious figures to guide the followers spiritually and not icons of any political scrutiny, as per canon law they will be banned from the vestments if this is so.

Diyasena said...

Greetings fellow patriots,

Have been following the comments of you guys for quite awhile. Thought I'd have a go at posting a comment myself.

To Ananda-USA et al.,

I dont reckon we need to expand the army. It is the navy (and to some extent the airforce) that need to be enlargened. Most of our present problems stem from the fact that the navy was not made the senior force and not given enough resources. We should build a deep sea navy that is capable of projecting power. The army should be slightly downsized to have several crack divisions with lots of Special forces.On the heels of a victory in an internal conflict and with the popularity of the army such a plan cannot be implemented immediatly. But it should be along term aim. Our next threat is not liekly to come from within.

Last not but not least we need an effective external intelligence arm with it's own strike capability. This way we can keep an eye out on the remnant eelamists and other possible threats worldwide.

Keep up the good work guys

wijayapala said...

Panhinda,

"look what you've done buddy. you provoked the generally peaceful Sinhalese to attack your entire race. this is how your politicians such as GGP and chelvanayagam operated too."

That is precisely why Peter and his predecessors opened their mouth- by getting us (i.e. fooling us) into attacking the entire Tamil race, they mobilize the entire Tamil race against us. By doing exactly what they want us to do, we make them stronger. That is why we have to get smarter and not fall for their ploys.

Anonymous said...

Diyasena

No1. To Sri Lanka now the major most threat is the LTTE, but in the future we may face larger enemies from outside, to be able to quope with them we do need the army brought up in number, also we do need a plan to bring the navies equipment upto standard, maybe if people agree air power over the seas, as well as we need a coast guard to specifically look at protecting our coasts, then the airforce needs better air to air capability, now the threat is ground, but F-7s are chinese and all, no one needs to be told on reliablity of these things, there radars missed the Zlings 2 times and they were supposedly to be intercepting the zlings, but couldnt see them, then we need bombers like b2's not a damn Kaafir nose diving, its suicidel letting our pilots nose diving when the enemy has anti-aircraft capability, your putting there asses on the line everytime you do that also we have only one parashooter unit in Jaffna and 3 C130 Hercules air craft. We have big neighbours, oh and guys Bangladesh air force has 18 Mig 29's by the way.army has only 35 tanks and quite old as sumone pointed out, we need to upgrade those there yet using RPG's, which even Taleban or sudanese rebels use, we need to upgrade everything.

NOLTTE=Peace said...

South Indian Diocese connected to Jaffna Diocese of Catholic church associated with a very higher portion of Catholics in Sri Lanka. Therefore, they wield a huge amount of power in the Catholic Church in Sri Lanka.

When they become corrupt and go against the original principles of Catholicism, the rest of the Catholic church become helpless, because of their power in the Church.

So the whole Church keep silent. On the other hand, majority of the Catholic Church hierarchy in Sri Lanka comprised of Tamil origin or with Tamil backround priests, who have through out shown no resentment to LTTE (and have openly worked with LTTE).

Sam Perera said...

Miss Information,

"I am fine with the LTTE being wiped out but not at the cost of thousands, or even hundreds, of innocent lives.

The GoSL has the military advantage right now but is going to lose the propaganda advantage if it does not, first and foremost, protect the people in harms way.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Perhaps if it were your family getting blown to pieces in the jungle you might see the value of a ceasefire.
"

Are you from Mars? Have your relatives ever traveled in buses and train in Sri Lanka? Do you have any relatives in villages close to east and north? I guess you don't and that is why it is so difficult for you to grasp since none of your relatives were blown in to pieces in buses or beheaded in the village?

Let me ask this. Have you or any of your relatives given the responsibiity defend your homeland against terrorists. Have you ever lost your relatives in a battle against LTTE terrorists.

You are suffering from a decease called ideology. Often, they are not practical nor desirable. what your advocating is a perverted version of a religion to bend over backwards for terrorists who will never agree for a peaceful solution.

Remember before you start preaching next time, we tried all possible things with LTTE to come to a negotiated solution and LTTE rejected it all the time with more violence.

I suggest you to be more knowledgeable about Sri Lanka's struggle against separatist and terrorists when you come back from Mars.

Anonymous said...

Look

all those who insinuate un baseless critisism towards the catholic church, do you want to start a war beyond ethnic differentiation, I would tell you that the current Arch bishop of Sri Lanka is very connected to the maha sangas and in close contact, Tamil Nadu does not have any regional control over the occurences Rome does, there is no regional break downs like organizations do, we have emissaries by the pope to colombo, the Tamil diaspora nor the eelamists control the church in Sri Lanka, there maybe tamils and eelamists with christian names, but that doesnt make the church dependant on anyone.

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Anonymous said...

Sujeewa Kokalawela's PONNA DANCE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq1JhCRkfjQ

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Fatpig was hiding in safe zone - Fleeing civilians

I think we should take stern action to break the NFZ into small few NFZs and monitor the region more closely.

Sam Perera said...

Diyasena,

I am also a strong advocate of a large standing defence force and a well trained reserve like Switzerland, Taiwan, South Korea. I think that we have to sort out how each of the branch gets upgraded from this point based on our needs and future threats against the country. Given the newly expanded territory, at minimum we need to improve our navy to protect our natural resources. Given the possibility that LTTE or their offshoots will be here, we need to improve our army both quantitatively and quantitatively for coming decades. SLAF is a different story at this point. For obvious reason, we can't defend against a super power with a massive air force. However, we should have the capabilities to intercept intruders at minimum while working on separatist threats with SLA and SLN.

What are the future threats we should be prepared is something I am working on to be published in Lanka Patriots Blog. Just to give you an idea, we should prepare the war we will never fight. We should have good system to deter future meddlers of our internal matters. We should build strong ties with big powers around us. We should build strong ties with our ethnic cousins in Magadha and Pandyan Kingdoms. We should be watching any future threats against our neighbors and yet prepare for the possibility of disintegration. I leave this unfinished since this has to be a national discussion in coming years.

KillerT said...

Guys,
A friend told that SLA hs entered the CSZ.Said he heard it in ITN news?ANyone else saw???

Sam Perera said...

Puk Batta,

Do you have anything else to discuss here other than Sujeeva? If you have any, please bring them to the front. Otherwise, you can be named to be the successor to Peter Pan.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Missing Information;

Let's say SLDF declare unconditional cease fire for a significant period of time.

1. Can you explain how civilians can be rescued during that period?

2. Can you explain how we can stop Pussycats getting re-grouped for a strong counter attack?

3. Can you explain how we can stop their leadership leaving SL during ceasefire?

4. What is your solution if Pussycats break the ceasefire by attacking SLDF with huge casualties?

Miss Information said...

Sam Perera said...

Miss Information,

"I am fine with the LTTE being wiped out but not at the cost of thousands, or even hundreds, of innocent lives.

The GoSL has the military advantage right now but is going to lose the propaganda advantage if it does not, first and foremost, protect the people in harms way.

Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? Perhaps if it were your family getting blown to pieces in the jungle you might see the value of a ceasefire."





Are you from Mars?

No, but what emanates from your pen seems to have come from Uranus!
*grin*



You are suffering from a decease called ideology. Often, they are not practical nor desirable. what your advocating is a perverted version of a religion to bend over backwards for terrorists who will never agree for a peaceful solution.

This makes no sense on its face and even less in context with my remarks.

I suggest you to be more knowledgeable about Sri Lanka's struggle against separatist and terrorists when you come back from Mars.



I suggest you learn to read and comprehend basic English. What part of wiping out the LTTE do you not get?

Let me type it slowly for you one more time.

The GoSL should engage a cease-fire and arrange for the civilians to get out before any more are killed, maimed, conscripted, starved etcetera. Number one priority is the safety of these innocents who are being held hostage… get them out and then deal with the LTTE.

(If the GoSL can give a ministerial position to the war criminal Karuna they can eat a bit more crow and make a deal to get the hostages to “freedom”… a loose term given the situation but better than their present plight.)

The LTTE are in no position to go anywhere so now that they are hemmed in the GoSL can take whatever time is needed to safely extricate the civilians. There is significant evidence that the SLA are in fact moving slowly as to minimise civilian casualties but the issue is not the efficacy of the troops but the strategy of their political leaders.

For the sake of the citizens at risk, the GoSL should make the first step towards a cessation of fighting… if nothing else they can at least point to an honest effort on their part when the inevitable mess of political strategic failure lands in the Country’s lap.


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Miss Information said...

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Missing Information;

Let's say SLDF declare unconditional cease fire for a significant period of time.

1. Can you explain how civilians can be rescued during that period?

2. Can you explain how we can stop Pussycats getting re-grouped for a strong counter attack?

3. Can you explain how we can stop their leadership leaving SL during ceasefire?

4. What is your solution if Pussycats break the ceasefire by attacking SLDF with huge casualties?


March 21, 2009 7:36 PM


The GoSL should say they are interested in amnesty talks and propose a ceasefire to discuss them. The LTTE are in a difficult spot and no doubt a number of them would be interested enough to either listen or to hopefully revolt against the leadership who will refuse to negotiate anything less than Eelam.

I suspect every cadre knows full well Karuna got a sweet deal and perhaps that is enough carrot to crack whatever solidarity is left in the LTTE ranks.

The SLA can continue to clean and secure the newly liberated areas while keeping the main group of cadres boxed into a mess of their own making.


Use the weakness of the LTTE against them and watch to see how long before those who raise voices in their ranks spread the seeds of self-destruction.

Oh yes... make it known that if someone in the LTTE assassinates VP they will be as well rewarded as the war criminal Karuna.


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Diyasena said...

Sam,

I totally agree with the idea of every able bodied male between 18-45 receiving military training. The civil defence force should be upgraded for this purpose as well as guarding the newly acquired terrain in the north (with army help for now). But wouldn't having a medium sized, well trained and well equipped army beats having a massive conscript army. China is a classic example. For years they focused exclusively on the size of the PLA since they were worried about Russia and India..Only now are they developing their neglected navy because they have realised that they don't even have enough resources even to make an amphibian assault on Chinese Taipei. With our EEZ expanding we need a larger navy.

You are right when you say we should be ready to fight the war we will never fight..Also we should try to prevent this war or fight it before it reaches our shore (or at least our heartland).Our foreign intel assets is quite lax if not non-existent. Atm we are relying heavily on scraps from friendly/ interested agencies. I assume you will explore the disintigration of India along ethnic lines in your LankaPatriots article..I hope you will publish the article or some excerpts here for us who do not have access..Thanks

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Sam Perera said...

Miss Information,

"The GoSL should engage a cease-fire and arrange for the civilians to get out before any more are killed, maimed, conscripted, starved etcetera. Number one priority is the safety of these innocents who are being held hostage… get them out and then deal with the LTTE."

Oh genius, what a great idea. Where did you live in late January. I guess it was Mars. We already did this and LTTE used that window to regroup and attack to take Mulathivu back. Ask any terrestrial being to get some idea of what happened in the first week of February. Read recent event before write here. Of course, read slowly, very slowly.

"For the sake of the citizens at risk, the GoSL should make the first step towards a cessation of fighting… if nothing else they can at least point to an honest effort on their part when the inevitable mess of political strategic failure lands in the Country’s lap."

Are you thinking that only the citizens in Puthu are at risk? I have no doubt that neither you nor your relatives were ever affected by LTTE acts of terror.

For the sake of citizens at risk everywhere in the country, we shall never repeat the same mistake we did in late January and countless times before that. No more ceasefire to give breathing time to LTTE. This is not a time to live in a fantasy of engaging in a sane dialog with LTTE. Wake up, this is Earth.

Miss Information said...

Dear Sam.


Every other time the GoSL negotiated a ceasefire the LTTE had plenty of land, military assets and international fund-raising abilities.

All of those are vastly diminished now and as such the sides are negotiating from different positions of strength and weakness.

Do you really think it is a better idea to allow the LTTE to lead these folks to slaughter?

What if VP outsmarts the GoSL and says he will lay down his arms for amnesty and the same conditions Karuna's treachery earned him?

The GoSL has the military advantage but does not need to rely on it until it has exhausted every other effort to arrange the safety of its citizens who are living directly under the LTTE.


Think about it. If the LTTE really had any substantial conventional capabilities left they would not be holed up and getting hammered as is the case now. But as badly as they have played their military asset hand they can still poltically out-flank a Government that has no clear strategy or demonstrable ability to extricate those civilians without a bloodbath.


This is the time for true leadership. The GoSL needs to take the political initiative and seize it before the LTTE do.




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Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Missing Information;

I expected answers to my Qs, which you left me to imagine out of your paragraph. Anyway, I respect your right to answer as you wish.

But the whole para was a meaningless one. Take following two facts for consideration.

- Everybody knows that anyone defecting pussycats or rebelling against its leadership will be given the red carpet welcome in our side. I heard that it is propagated to all known leaders of pussycats [via cross communication]. MI even tries to get some big birds to our side. So you don't need a ceasefire for that.

- Any ceasefire thrown at this point will be taken for regrouping for sure. They will care for rats about honesty. Your claim that ceasefire will not be misused by pussycats since they're down, is false. In fact since they are down they'll surely misuse it.

I give you some credit for understanding pussycats as the enemy and the need to destroy its leadership. But the rest of the things you write is sheer crap mate.

In my view the current method of operation is the best way for civilian rescue. We pity victims and hope that soon the rest will be rescued. In a war this is unavoidable. Especially when one side does not represent the people under their control.

So sit with us and hope like we do for the completion in little more time.

Sam Perera said...

Miss Information,

"What if VP outsmarts the GoSL and says he will lay down his arms for amnesty and the same conditions Karuna's treachery earned him?"

I hope that you are aware of Prabakaran's ego? That is an essential component of being a megalomaniac. It is naïve to believe that he would deviate from his stated path as it was proven many times in the past including the time of first Indian intervention. Furthermore, the collective will of our nation, the majority of the people, the defence forces, and the government is intensely focused on eradicating LTTE without any mercy now since we have exhausted all other peaceful means. We need to strike the iron when it is hot, this is not a time monkey around. It is unthinkable to demoralize our people and soldiers now with the anticipation of such unrealistic gestures from LTTE.

JWick said...

""Miss Information said...
Dear Sam.


Every other time the GoSL negotiated a ceasefire the LTTE had plenty of land, military assets and international fund-raising abilities.

All of those are vastly diminished now and as such the sides are negotiating from different positions of strength and weakness.

Do you really think it is a better idea to allow the LTTE to lead these folks to slaughter?

What if VP outsmarts the GoSL and says he will lay down his arms for amnesty and the same conditions Karuna's treachery earned him?

The GoSL has the military advantage but does not need to rely on it until it has exhausted every other effort to arrange the safety of its citizens who are living directly under the LTTE.


Think about it. If the LTTE really had any substantial conventional capabilities left they would not be holed up and getting hammered as is the case now. But as badly as they have played their military asset hand they can still poltically out-flank a Government that has no clear strategy or demonstrable ability to extricate those civilians without a bloodbath.


This is the time for true leadership. The GoSL needs to take the political initiative and seize it before the LTTE do.""


LTTE has proved beyond any doubt whatsoever that their aim is ONLY EELAM. Therefore GOSL should not give even an atom of chance for the LTTE to re-group in any form. They should surrender ABSOLUTELY UNCONDITIONALLY and should not expect or given ANY AMNESTY! They will be held accountable for their crimes according to the law of the land. Prabhakaran should expect to start serving his prison sentence IMMEDIATELY and while doing so should expect to be charged with any other crimes he has committed.
This Govt has proved it has the proper plan to defeat LTTE terrorism. LTTE have no chance of out-flanking the Govt. politically or otherwise. If not for the Govt. concerns towards the innocent civilians this would have been over one or two months ago!!

Upul said...

What it means to be sri lankan:
Sinhala Lanka's utter contempt and exploitation of asylum loop holes in the west has made sri lanka look like a shit hole country.

*Paspport taken away before boarding a flight.

*Lined up with people with criminal record, drug suspects, murderers and smugglers.

I remember being at the main London bus terminal and seeing a poor sinhalese chap come to begging for for 4 pounds. He claimed he didn't have enough money to travel to where he was going to work. Sinhalese have constant habit of begging for favours... They collectively don't have the will power, managerial skills or capability to fend for themselves.

Myself and this poor sinhalese chap were the only two brown people in the bus station and everyone else was staring at us... I said, I know this guy is lying to me and maybe this guy was deserter/underworld character etc, but I will nevertheless give the 4 pounds so that he can go away!!!

Miss Information said...

Blogger Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Everybody knows that anyone defecting pussycats or rebelling against its leadership will be given the red carpet welcome in our side. I heard that it is propagated to all known leaders of pussycats [via cross communication]. MI even tries to get some big birds to our side. So you don't need a ceasefire for that.

- Any ceasefire thrown at this point will be taken for regrouping for sure. They will care for rats about honesty. Your claim that ceasefire will not be misused by pussycats since they're down, is false. In fact since they are down they'll surely misuse it.



The ceasefire is a strategic move that costs the GoSL nothing. Just exactly how and where do the LTTE re-goup to? They can't be re-supplied in terms of munitions and fuel... at least if we believe the GoSL's description of the security cordon.

Of course they will try but it seems unrealistic they have a hope of arranging a supply line... ergo your point is moot.


I give you some credit for understanding pussycats as the enemy and the need to destroy its leadership. But the rest of the things you write is sheer crap mate.

Funny how you and the Puligal guys can both agree with me when I criticise the other side but can't handle a shot at the brow of your own sacred cows. (No Hindu offense meant *grin*)

In my view the current method of operation is the best way for civilian rescue. We pity victims and hope that soon the rest will be rescued. In a war this is unavoidable. Especially when one side does not represent the people under their control.



It is avoidable or at least possible if you have the will and the courage to do it.

Let me make this even clearer.

The GoSL needs to be seen as trying to solve the problem with more than the might of their military. It is in their long-term interest, even in failure, to be able to have illustrated a willingness to explore something other than a rigid, military solution.


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TropicalStorm said...

If that is true, we can plant all the eelamists on the moon..

That way they can howl all day long, every day. Not only on full-moon days..

Prof. Suppayya Ponnalingam said...

guys and gays,

beware of this Bitch Information, it is neither a woman, nor it is new to DN/DW.

In fact it shows some of the symptoms that sharp the suck-kili whore had.

E.g.

1. Quoting others posts, one after another and replying.

2. Showing anger, (even though it tries to be decent in this handle)
E.g.
[Sam Perera: Are you from Mars?

Bitch Information: No, but what emanates from your pen seems to have come from Uranus! *grin*
]

Note that sharp suck-kiliya also often use emotions



3. [I suggest you learn to read and comprehend basic English. What part of wiping out the LTTE do you not get? ]

sharp suck-kiliya has said the same thing before, at LNP and DN. When someone doesn't agree to its stupid idea it thinks he doesn't understand english.



4. [Let me type it slowly for you one more time. ]

Showing anger again, Which sharp suck-kiliya did often, using similar sentences.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Missing Information;

Pussycats regrouping can be done anyway they like. A little breathing space is enough. We all know that they cannot win the war, but a breathing space would cost us 100s or 1000s of lives and prolong the victory. Imagine one 2000kg bomb moved close to SLDF camp, what would be the outcome? This is what we don't want now.

BTW, I really don't see a point in debating with you. I see no positive side at all in a ceasefire. I can't even figure out how civilians will be rescued. In fact they will be further chained during ceasefire. So I would not be spending more time with you.

Try answering the Qs I asked, and you will see it if you are genuine. I am very much out of this discussion now.

Jambudipa said...

heylo mi,

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The GoSL needs to be seen as trying to solve the problem with more than the might of their military.
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military operations cannot be switch on and off like a light switch. a significant diplomatic and economic effort precedes it and maintained right throughout. its not that a ceasefire is difficult, but everything works to a schedule. one thing might lead to another and impact other tasks later if its stopped not according to GoSL plan. this does not mean it cannot be stopped. it can if the conditions laid by GoSL are met by LTTE. this is where you folks come in. instead of running around screaming genocide, try ask LTTE to lay down weapons.

also its not that gosl is 'seen' as only trying brute force. the parallel political tasks are going on. apparently TNA is holding the talks back. so again, you folks can jump in here and get them to discuss the problem.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

War Zone Toronto

What do you expect two hundred and twenty six gangs and members of banned terrorist groups to do? Kill, kill randomly, harm innocent people, steal, extort money from innocent people and make a city a war zone. That is exactly what is happening here in Toronto. With 226 gangs operating in the city and members of banned terrorist groups such as the LTTE, better known here as the Tamil Tigers roaming the city and openly hero worshipping suicide terrorist cadres who kill innocent Sri Lankans back home. Tragic isn’t it?

Reports say that the Canadian government is going to amend the criminal code to target organized crime, illicit drugs since a consensus is developing that the country should be tougher. Everyday we hear of innocent people getting killed for no fault of their own. Even children and women. These random killings are the worst and law enforcement authorities have not had much success in bringing them to justice and very soon Canada will have a funeral TV too. The Government had given the licence to operate a Funeral TV here.

Many innocent Sri Lankan Tamils don’t feel safer here either. A Sri Lankan Tamil office worker said that her parents living in Colombo were much safer than her family living in Toronto. It is heartening to hear it when interested parties have grouped together to slam Sri Lanka without cleaning their backyards. What else do you expect in Toronto with over 105 nationalities living in the City? They all want to have their own and be their own. I don’t think it is possible unless they become Canadians, not just namesakes but real ones.

Though the real Canadians are known to be peaceful, these false Canadians have disrupted the peace here with their own agendas and terrorist activities. You only have to read the book ‘Cold Terror’ – How Canada has become a haven for foreign terrorist groups, written by acclaimed Journalist Stewart Bell of the National Post. Today, India boasts of a Great Prime Minister and Indian Sikh, a Sikh Army Commander and more. There is no cry for an Independent Sikh state in India or burning of the Indian flag. But, the cry is here and the Indian flag is insulted, burned far away in Toronto. Terrorists are almost defeated in Sri Lanka but LTTE terrorism continues right here in Toronto. It will never end here and the law enforcement authorities are getting worried.

No wonder one democratic Sri Lankan Tamil/Canadian told a Canadian minister, “Sir, I have lost the first five years of my seven years here because of the harassment I am faced right here in Toronto. I am a Canadian citizen but, I live in fear. I am thankful to Prime Minister Stephen Harper for banning the LTTE as a terrorist organization in Canada. If I meet him, I will not shake his hand but, will kiss his feet.” It is the Conservative Government which banned both the LTTE and the World Tamil Movement as terrorist organizations in Canada.

This is the situation here. Everyone is getting worried. Who said Canada or let me say Toronto is peaceful? But, it is also good to find out who broke the peace here? A white Canadian who works at the same building the Consulate is situated said, “It looks like all the troublemakers from your country are here. Think I should go to Sri Lanka now for a holiday” He said it having got fed up of continuous protests by the LTTE in Canada.

As for the title of this week’s Toronto Diary, War zone Toronto it is not given by the writer. It was said by a Liberal MP from Vancouver, Canada. But, the biggest tragedy is it is the lawmakers here who had contributed in making Toronto a war zone. Some still do and they try to poke their noses, fingers and legs into Sri Lanka whilst living thousands of miles away in Toronto. I don’t see these opposition lawmakers speaking on behalf of their people here or trying to solve their day to day problems. Instead they are trying to ‘solve’ the ‘problems’ in Sri Lanka. I am puzzled at times and wonder if these people represent Sri Lanka or Canada. I seriously think that they should be sent to Sri Lanka to represent Canada in Sri Lanka and send the Sri Lankan lawmakers to Canada to represent Sri Lanka in Canada. One must be here to see how hard some of them ‘work’ to ‘help’ Sri Lanka for the sake of a few more votes. Whilst living in the war zone Toronto, they want to offer humanitarian assistance to Sri Lanka, help harvest paddy fields, build canals, climb trees, paint buildings, provide clothes and even read from story books ( must be some fairy tails, striped ones at that) to Sri Lankans. Ah! They continue to issue statement after statement, present petition after petition and use Canadian taxpayers money to ‘speak’ on Sri Lanka whilst poor Canadians are losing jobs daily and undergoing difficulties. That is how much they love Sri Lanka.

When all this is happening, the policemen and women are getting worried. They need to fight terrorism imported by other countries. Well canned, tightly packed with AK 47’s, cyanide capsules mixed with hatred and toped not with icing but crispy and crunchy dollars.

It is war zone Toronto. Those who live in glass houses must not..... (You fill the blanks)

Asithri said...

Miss Information aka Bitch Information

[The ceasefire is a strategic move that costs the GoSL nothing.]

Truly LMSSAO!!!

Hey whore-bitch nice try…but no, it will not work.

Patriots, these LTTE whore-bitches (many roaming here under new names) are asking for a “ceasefire” now because:

1. The whore-bitches know well that it does not matter what kind of “ceasefire” SLA offers, the LTTE whores in that narrow strip of land have no intention of letting the civilians leave (their insurance policy) as long as SLA is the only party on the scene. A few weeks ago, GOSL declared a “cessation of hostilities” for 48 hours to let civilians come out of the area, but LTTE whores prevented it.

2. So, really these whores’ plan now is to ask for a “ceasefire” initially and when it does not appear to be working (due to point 1 above), then clamor for a third party to be involved (yes, they will hope it is a western power sympathetic to their cause) by putting forth the “evacuation of civilians” as the primary reason.

Sure, they will even blame (craftily) the LTTE for the crisis, but the strategy will be to get all kinds of guarantees from that third party whereby hardcore LTTE whores will find opportunity to drop their guns and melt into the civilians and then be evacuated by that third party, basically keeping them out of SLAs hands until they are able to make a bolt for it, to a country such as Norway.

Nice ploy uh?

So, Miss Cocksucker…NO, a ceasefire will not happen!

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asithri

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Helooo Boyz,

Long time.
Some new avatars on the blog. I note that some are pretending and attacking well known patriots.

Hmmm...

Miss some-one-or-other has a style very similar to ... say Wijayapala, Wonder if they are friends...

Neverheless, s/he has some reasonable points which have been effectively demolished by Sam and Sujeeva.

And the guy attacking Sujeeva...

Heh heh Heh

සුජීව උගෙ පුකේ ඈරියද?

Now who does he remind me of? Too many personalities with similar styles for my liking.

Asthiri's Pattern Recognition Program is called for.

අපි යනව ඒහෙනං. විජයපාල මල්ලි කියනව වගේ කලබොල වෙන්න එපා. අපි බලමු ඒයාට හොන්ද සිංහල කියවන්නයි ලියන්නයි පුලුවන්ද කියලා.

ආයිබෝං

NOLTTE=Peace said...

LTTE shells the civilians in the Safe Zone,

1. as a picture opportunity

2. to turn off civilians' support towards SLA

Since shells can be fired from few Kms away, the civilians do not know who fires them. The LTTE hirelings tells everyone around that the shells came from GOSL territory making them think that it is the case.

The actual perpetrator is the LTTE itself.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

අඩෝ අස්තිරි,

කියපු ගමන් යකා වගේ උම්බ ආවනේ මචං. හොංග කාලෙකට.
ඉතින් කොහොමද? මේ සිංහල අකුරු පුවරුව අලි ලෙඩක්. ඒකයි "හොංග" ඔය වගේ ලියන්න වුනේ.

aqua said...

Thanks HW for the links.. will forward it to people who might not know about it... and ofcourse contribute when possible myself.

Ananda USA .. good ideas.. but someone brought up a good point .. we have had a good literacy rate and brains for a long while and havent put it to use.. so thats a very interesting point to ponder..

.. when people leave the country for education or work purposes.. it is VERY easy to feel detached from the problems the government and the people living there are facing .. it is up to the individuals to remind themselves or feel obliged to give something back to the country they were born and raised and most of the time educated as well... not to mention the values instilled in them due to the various cultures in Sri Lanka.

we cant point a gun at peoples heads and ask them to do something .. it has to come from within to do it.. if not it will be no more than a forced contribution of some sort which doesnt amount to much in the long run.

thanks DW for all u do to allow these exchange of ideas and provide GREAT updates.

let us all contribute in one way or the other and make things happen.. (rome wasnt built in a day)

Prof. Suppayya Ponnalingam said...

asithri ayya,

There is a very good chance this Bitch Information is ur ex gal kolla, sharp the gaussian whore.

It needs a good set of lessions of gaussian logic from u.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

MayilR;

And the guy attacking Sujeeva...

Heh heh Heh

සුජීව උගෙ පුකේ ඈරියද?


I suppose you're talking about this Puk Batta blog parasite. I am just giving you an idea of what happened but not planning to open this can of worms he's offering for anyone.

Well, he was gonna start a major discussion with me/anyone on history. He was taking on the matter that Konappu Bandara was baptised as Don Juan and year eight Royal kids during Royal Thomian big match have told him [huh] that Konappu Bandara is a disgraced character.

Accidentally the baptism names of Dharmapala of Kotte and Konappu Bandara were the same and he was interchanging one another for another conspiracy theory.

It was a well laid out plot to capture many of us for a long debate. The moment I realized it, I proved that he is a blog parasite looking to start the parasite life cycle on vulnerable mind. The dingo gave me a pretty good reply showing all the hidden parasitic details in it.

Sadly many ppl had wasted a lot of time on this low life by then.

Puk Batta is after me like a mad dog ever since. Although he thinks of damaging me, he's damaging his own identity and in fact has lost any chance for survival here. Only option left for him is to leave the blog and come back in another handle. So far there are so many such low lives who wasted the time and left the blog. It is an essential part of the parasite life cycle.

Prof. Suppayya Ponnalingam said...

nida ganna yanawa dan.

bitch information, thowa mathak karala athey parak ehema gahala thamai nida ganne.

පංකාදු ලංකා said...

Dear Patriots,

I have created the සිංහල version of

Pakka Lanka = පංකාදු ලංකා

Until further notice I will use my සිංහල handle.

සැමට ජය!

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

NO-LTTE;

I think you got a point. Pussycats next action can be detected if you follow the diaspora closely. Not the permanent pro-pussycats like Peter Upul et al. The newly created identities on missions.

I think we can use this same philosophy in future too. Let us see who comes next and brings what idea.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

පංකාදු ලංකා,

ජය වේවා.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Thanks Sujeewa.

කවුද කියන්නෙ විජයපාලයට සිංහල පුලුවන් කියල. ඔට්ටු දාන්න ඔනෙද?

Sam Perera said...

Friends we shall never forget and we should remain loyal in whatever the difficulty. Remember, it is or duty to defend China elsewhere in our best capacity.

Peoples Republic of China

China informs the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) not to interfere in Sri Lanka's internal affairs. A proposal has been included in the agenda of the council said that civilians are affected by the humanitarian operations in the north.

The council was compelled to withdraw the motion on two occasions due to stern opposition of China. China has reiterated that Sri Lankan military operations have no effect on international peace and security.

Isuru said...

තොරතුරු බෑල්ලි හෙවත් මිස් ඉන්ෆොමෙෂන් මම හිතුවෙ තො වෙනස් මත දරන සින්හලෙයෙක් කියල. සතන් විරාමයක් ඉල්ලනව කියන්නෙ තොත් ජාතියෙ පාහර බල්ලෙක්

Thusitha said...

Sam Perera said...
Friends we shall never forget and we should remain loyal in whatever the difficulty. Remember, it is or duty to defend China elsewhere in our best capacity.

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True, China is a good example of a country that never cave in to western domination. It is really good to have China as an ally. Yes we must never forget China, otherwise we would never have been able to destroy this Terrorist threat.

Isuru said...

sam and thusitha, there are no permananet friends and foes, there are only interests. yes china is god for us in this age and time but in the long run we only have our selves to look after our selves.
i have friends who have come from africa and settled down in europe they tell lot of stories of china exploiting volatilities in africa to exploit resources of those countries.

ඉයන් said...

I agree with Sam on China. I remember even in the 1980's China unofficially warned India against meddling in Sri Lanka. China's friendship has a long history and illuminated by the friendship between Sirima Bandaranaike and Chou en Lai.

We can’t change the fact that world politics in intermingled with world economy. If China is helping us with economic interests in mind so be it. China is a world power now. They flexing their muscle on our behalf when Norway and Canada is supporting LTTE should be admired and appreciated. Canadian politicians help LTTE for votes of the Tamils. Same in UK. Norway wants LTTE as they think they can capitalize on petroleum resources in the north and many other factors.

China has been with us for decades. Let’s be appreciative of it. For me China exploring oil in Mannar is million times safer than Norway doing it. Or India doing it (as of now).

Ape gadera kanna denawanan api demu yaluwekuta. China and Russia deserves any economic benefit they want for helping us in the world stage in these crucial days.

Jay said...

hmmm..
You can always depend on Assthri to bring down the tone of discussion even for a fleeting moment.(mothers, daughters, baseball bats..sick!).
Its people like Assthri that give Lankans a bad name.
The wounds have yet to heal.

Moshe..

Think you misunderstood me.
I enquired if GOSL would be happy to have the same "model" set in East and implement it in North?

So are you saying that the East is going well? pardon my expression (bollocks!)

GOSL has to be very careful with Karuna. He has been clever enough to manipulate a losing game.

Wait for the Sting!

Jay said...

(China is opposing a second move to put the Sri Lankan issue on the United Nations Security Council agenda, Foreign Ministry sources confirmed today. According to Inner City Press, China had “vehemently” opposed the move and argued that it is “merely an internal matter,” and not a threat to international peace and security.)

Yes- merely an internal matter not a threat to international peace and security.
Now i wonder how many LTTE paid legal counsels around the world pick on those very words.

Thusitha said...

Jay said...

GOSL has to be very careful with Karuna. He has been clever enough to manipulate a losing game.

Wait for the Sting!

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It is always better to deal with an enemy you know than enemy who is in disguise. Karuna knows SLA as well as GOSL and vice versa. Therefore the dealing would be tough, but it would be good for both sides.
After 22 years fighting for Tigers, he wouldn't be able to change his stripes, but at the same time he knows the futility of war.
Hopefully he would become a good statement and serve all of Sri Lanka and just not the Tamil Interest.

Jay said...

Thusitha said..
(It is always better to deal with an enemy you know than enemy who is in disguise. Karuna knows SLA as well as GOSL and vice versa.)

Thats exactly what Karuna is playing on.
Personally, i was sceptical about the VP- Karuna split. It just did not sit right. (yes- the money laundering, North vs East.etc etc) Camouflage.
I hope i'm wrong but i did and still have that gut feel it was a sham.

lankaputhra said...

Can anyone tell me why you can’t see white people in pro-LTTE demo’s around the world?

Tamils will never win heart and minds of other people ….

Where I m living you can find many Tamils than in Wallawaththa ….
But no one ever talks openly supporting Tamils except some politicians.

I want to discuss here about this on going ‘Tamil genocide’ parades around the world…..

Pro-LTTE exegeration went too far before it even to consider that way and they lost all…

When di-ass-pora got some money with their cleaning or benefits they thought they can fight with any one in the world…..

‘ AGILLE THARAMATA ONALU EDIMENNA’

I have more stories from my Tamil friends….

Jay said...

Thats what happens when you go to Lihinya

Thusitha said...

Jay said...

Thats exactly what Karuna is playing on.
Personally, i was sceptical about the VP- Karuna split. It just did not sit right. (yes- the money laundering, North vs East.etc etc) Camouflage.
I hope i'm wrong but i did and still have that gut feel it was a sham.

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Karuna Joined around 2003, no body would have thought the downfall of LTTE then. So my belief is it is not a sham. But having said that, Tamils would be dreaming about a homeland for ever till they get one. Singapore and Malaysia is out of the question. Therefore TN or SL will be the only choice. Either India or SL will succumb and it would be a matter of time. For our sakem, hopefully it would be India.

Thambapanniya said...

regards to china...

there is a quote in world politics...

"there are no permananet friends but permanent interests"

Ananda-USA said...

MayilRavana,

Long time no hear, bro. Welcome back to the fray!

Thambapanniya said...

lankaputhra

one more point...

everything they do is exclusive... from shows sports fundraising...

its about them and no one else... their agenda is tamils tamils tamils and tamil grievences blah blah more tamil.... and don't care how they get it... and they will try best to get it in the expense of the others...

in the process they (LTTE) have manage to inspire generations of tamil youth for the good or the bad...

but that was in the expense of failing to engage and intergrate with their local community and thus isolated internationally

Jay said...

Thampa.. said
(which MR himself done...... i love his foreign policies having neutral grounds and working with east as well as west engaging with them...)

as well as west engaging with them?

I'm sorry i miss that.
Can i read it again?

Ananda-USA said...

Sam Perera said...


I suggest you to be more knowledgeable about Sri Lanka's struggle against separatist and terrorists when you come back from Mars.


Well said, Sam! These armchair pundits and/or ideologues are preaching impractical solutions that have failed miserably in Sri Lanka in the past.

MisInformation indeed!

Jay said...

Thampa said
(in the process they (LTTE) have manage to inspire generations of tamil youth for the good or the bad... )
sadly true
As a result of the naiveness of the Southern politicains

wijayapala said...

Dear Mayilravana Aiye,

"Miss some-one-or-other has a style very similar to ... say Wijayapala, Wonder if they are friends..."

I also noticed.. but we do not know each other. Miss Information is a far better writer than I am- look at her(his?) posts on puligal.blogspot.com. Check out this response to Schizo Sam:

Are you from Mars?

No, but what emanates from your pen seems to have come from Uranus!

I would never have been able to come up with that one!

Marcus said...

I think this is a good time to start psy ops on civilian population in the no fire zone. We can put up a few loud speakers and broadcast to them day and night. Encourage them to come to the liberated areas and also tell them that they are surrounded and they have nowhere else to go. They are now within the hearing distance and LTTE cannot stop them hearing the message. Use local people from wanni to broadcast the message in Tamil. Anybody listening?

wijayapala said...

Miss Information,

"These armchair pundits and/or ideologues are preaching impractical solutions that have failed miserably in Sri Lanka in the past."

Just for clarification, Ananda-USA (Proud to be an American) himself is not an armchair pundit and/or ideologue. He would never suggest an idea that would fail. He's the "real thing."

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

No worries Ananda,
I've just had a nap and woken and will be back to being busy again soon.

Have been very busy winning South Asian (and other) Hearts and Minds. "Turning" will come later.
Besides I don't like to put down any important ideas on this forum any more. Too many Blog parasites and LTTE moles.
Now that we are in the phase of psyops and strategy OS when expatriates will count, it is better to put down ideas elsewhere. If you know what I mean? ; )

BTW I am all the way with 500 000 SLDF man. There are more than 50 000 kids qualifying for University every year who don't get a place. Why not offer them a career and armed combat and intelligence training at the same time?
Expatriates should help the Defence University to build itself up. WRT defence industries, I am with you too. Such focus will form a big chunk of an economic stimulus package.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

G'Day Wijayapala,

How's Adelaide? Or should it be Sydney? (Just joshing)
Long time no see. Hope everything's well. Really gotta go now.

Thusitha said...

Marcus said...
I think this is a good time to start psy ops on civilian population in the no fire zone. We can put up a few loud speakers and broadcast to them day and night. Encourage them to come to the liberated areas and also tell them that they are surrounded and they have nowhere else to go. They are now within the hearing distance and LTTE cannot stop them hearing the message. Use local people from wanni to broadcast the message in Tamil. Anybody listening?

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Tell them there are some naked blond strippers waiting to greet them. That would do the trick.
Or according to the post from the past, some sexy poodles waiting for their hand in marriage.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

අනන්ද
මේ යකාට සිංහල බෑ. හක් හක් හක්.
හැබැයි ඌ ඩෙමල කියලත් හිතෙන්නෙ නෑ. එක්කො සිංහල බැරි, නම තියන ඒකෙක්. නැත්නම්, අපේ බර්ගර් පොරක්.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

අපි යනව.

wijayapala said...

Ninja,

"500,000 SLA doesn't mean zero SLN and SLAF. We need a strong SLN and SLAF to defend SL from possible external threats. But before that (immediately after the current conventional fighting) SLA has to fight a guerrilla insurgency while guarding the whole island. For that SLA need more troops. Sarath Fonseka needs 300,000 and Ananda-USA needs 500,000. Obviously I will agree with SF.. but we need more troops."

Perhaps, but Ananda-USA was thinking of using that 500,000 to scare off India, not simply to finish off the LTTE remnants, suggesting that this large force will be around for a long time.

"Answer depends on how you define 1st world nation."

It was Ananda-USA who used the term "1st world nation," not me. I'm simply thinking of the economy that is required to sustain a modern military force capable of protecting a country's interests. Malaysia and Singapore are two excellent examples of countries with relatively modern militaries, defined by advanced air forces and navies, and not simply large armies.

Jay said...

tsk! tsk! tsk!

Is it a Sri Lankan trait that people have to personally attack the bloggers/commenters who dont share the same views?

I believe GOSL spin doctors have missed out big time in countering the LTTE diasspora "spin" by relating the facts as opposed to attacking the writers personally.
Lankaweb is a classic example.
Equally Asian Tribune.

I find most of the articles/letters written quite amusing. No doubt the targeted subjects will come back fighting because a raw nerve has been hit!

Classic example is one from Malin Abeyatunge attacking Mrs N Pillay.
Is there anyone credible in the eyes of GOSL and not on the payroll (sic) of LTTE?
Perhaps, we should get some Chinese Human Rights Specialist (is there one?)to visit the North

Exiled Patriot said...

There is nothing amazing about all types of weapons and sea-crafts built by the LTTE. Any organization with enough funds and NGO and governement support (like during the CFA) could design and build these.

What sets them apart is the suicide cadre using the weapons. A part-submersible boat or "submarine", if you want to call it that, is easy to build but the guidance technology and weapoens system to launch an attach on a modern naval vessel and then escape unscathed is a different matter. All these boats and other crafts developed by the tigers are are manned by a suicide-cadre(guidance system) and carry explosives that explode on impact ( weapon). This is low-tech crude stuff. Most of the boatyards in the Southern Sri Lanka can churn-out trash like this easily. But finding any Sinhalese suicide cadre is another matter. Remember, even the JVPs at their fanatical-best did not volunteer to die!!

Sam Perera said...

Aha Monkeypala the scum is back in his dirty old business from the days he proclaimed that Sinhala people don't want anything in Jaffna. Eager to publish garbage and disinformation, Monkeypala is back to spew more venom, perhaps supported by his own shadows. Anyway, monkeys are very entertaining.

Everybody, please gather to see the monkey dance of Monkeypala.

Ananda-USA said...

Diyasena,

The purpose of a large state-of-the-art SLDF, 500,000 strong, that I advocate, together with a 4,000,000 strong National Guard to support the SLDF, is three fold.

1. To actually be able to fight internal and external enemies should the need arise.

2. Perhaps more importantly, it is PREVENTATIVE: to DISCOURAGE any enemy from even contemplating an attack on Sri Lanka.

3. To inculcate and maintain a high level of patriotism among the citizens by involving each and every one of them in the defense of the country.

While a large Navy, with deep sea capabilities is necessary to protect our borders from illegal entry, gun-running etc as in the past, for defense against SEPARATISTS, it is the large and capable SLA that will give pause to INVADERS. A powerful invader may be able to control the sea and the air, but must be made to suffer terribly if they land.

There is a parrallel here with how Sinhala kings defended Sri Lanka in the past. For example, we could not prevent the Portuguese from coming to Sri Lanka and supplying their ports-based forces from abroad. However, they could not control the interior, because of the military strategies employed by the Sinhala kings. Often, our kings abandoned the capital, laid waste all supplies, withdrew to alternative towns and waited for the Portuguese (and Dutch and British) forces to suffer from disease and hunger, then attacked to vanquish them utterly. These were the same techniques used by the Russians to defeat Napoleon by drawing the Grand Armee into Russia's interior, denying them supplies, setting fire to Moscow, and chasing the French back to Paris; less than a tenth of the Grand Armee survived.

There is a letter in the National Archives in Lisbon, Portugal in which the Viceroy for Portuguese Colonies in the East had written to request ABANDONMENT of Sri Lanka, because the wars against the Sinhalese were costing more than all of the wars in all their other colonies of the East. It just was not worth it to them.

I am NOT saying that these historical examples are DIRECTLY applicable today, with today's methods of transporting supplies and military capabilities. But, the OVERALL CONCEPT is to make Invasion and Occupation of our country TOO EXPENSIVE in LIVES and TREASURE to even contemplate. They may not not like us, but they will just have swallow and put up with us.

To this end, we MUST have a very large SLA, supported by a universal National Guard, with secret arms caches distributed throughout the country, and underground command centers tunneled into mountains, equipped with all the modern amenities to support them. We must have strategies laid out to FRUSTRATE potential invaders, to prevent decapitation strikes against our civilian and military leadership, and to sustain our forces away from their normal barracks. There are many other things that need to be done, including the attainment of self-sufficiency in arms.

This is the MODERN VERSION of the old strategies adopted by our ancestors to defend the motherland.

Thusitha said...

Jay said...
tsk! tsk! tsk!

Is it a Sri Lankan trait that people have to personally attack the bloggers/commenters who dont share the same views?

I believe GOSL spin doctors have missed out big time in countering the LTTE diasspora "spin" by relating the facts as opposed to attacking the writers personally.
Lankaweb is a classic example.
Equally Asian Tribune.

I find most of the articles/letters written quite amusing. No doubt the targeted subjects will come back fighting because a raw nerve has been hit!

Classic example is one from Malin Abeyatunge attacking Mrs N Pillay.
Is there anyone credible in the eyes of GOSL and not on the payroll (sic) of LTTE?

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Why shouldn't we attack? Do you think just countering would be good enough? Personal attack works (IMHO). I mean, she acted as an attack dog, and she is Tamil (I believe) and how many Tamils support GOSL? When she feels the pinch, she will stop as well. Defensive is not always good enough. If you keep on going defencive, people in the west would think we got things to hide.
As an example, if some one does a traffic offence, and you let them get a way with it without honking your hone, they think you were the one who is wrong and ended up honking at you. That is the world we live in.

Jay said...

I did fall off the chair when i read Ananda USA comment about strengthening SLA forces to counter India.

I'm sorry it was not even worth commenting about.

87% of Sri Lankans are below the poverty line and here we have Ananda USA has a brain wave of spending the last reserves to strengthened the forces.

Exiled Patriot said...

I think it is about time that the Tamil Diaspora understood that the Tigers are about done. This is Prabakaran's last stand. The Tamils and their diaspora, amounting to 60 million or more, launched a proxy war against 12 million Sinhalese in tiny Sri Lanka and they lost. Victors take the spoils and the losers just have to sulk and be at the mercy of the victors. That is the timeless rule of war in the history of mankind. And men have always fought for land; no nobody negotiated land disputes among nations! If someone invaded you, you went to war with them. Nothing has changed since the ancient times. Whether you fight that war via proxies like LTTE, NGOs and biased foreign press or by invading country with a standing army, rules are still the same.

So until, the next time, let it be understood that Sinhalese fought this war with their blood and lives are the victors. No amount of false charges by Tamil UN officials, fabricated foreign press reports, or tamils marching in Switzerland with heavy winter boots and coats while drinking coffee can change the outcome because the war has been lost. It is just like a cricket game: if you even by 1 run, pointless arguing about bad umpiring decisions. Remember, the Tamils started this war.

A modern and independent Sri Lanka ruled by a strong majority Sinhalese that is able to defend itself against a divisive foreign force fighting a proxy-war has truly arrived. It is time to enjoy the spoils of war...in these days of modern civilization victors are more restrained and go about doing that by being generous and merciful toward the losers. That is the only rule that has changed. Everything else about war si the same as it has been since the beginning of man kind.

So my fellow Sinhalese countrymen and traitorous Tamil "friends", think about it when you waste your time writing hate mails and go marching in those foreign countries while kissing white-ass and drinking coffee !

Thusitha said...

The purpose of a large state-of-the-art SLDF, 500,000 strong, that I advocate, together with a 4,000,000 strong National Guard to support the SLDF, is three fold.

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Man, these numbers are two high. That is almost 10% of Sinhalese population. We should increase up to these amounts only if we see rising threat of TN (when we see it is very likely TN is going to get independence). If we do this, we would end up being like Isreal. Has it pros and cons.

Sam Perera said...

Monkeypala,

Is their anyway you can trash Ananda's idea of a big armed force with your Nobel and Pulitzer winning academic credentials. We are eagerly waiting to see your blather to hijack this defence dialog and turn it to a political dialog. Help us with your monkey dance.

Exiled Patriot said...

Ananda-USA's idea is astupid. But we need a standing army of 400 -500 thousand men along with a modern navy and an air force that defend our airspace so that events like the parippu drop never happens again. Remember, not only is India not our friend, India is also our potential enemy. That will never change. Lt Gen Sarath Fonseka, who I call a Latter-day Nandimithra, is exactly right when he said that even after the conclusion of current war, our armed forces need to be developed further.

Sam Perera said...

jay,

"I did fall off the chair when i read Ananda USA comment about strengthening SLA forces to counter India.

I'm sorry it was not even worth commenting about.

87% of Sri Lankans are below the poverty line and here we have Ananda USA has a brain wave of spending the last reserves to strengthened the forces."


I guess that you got a heart attack when you saw how Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, and Switzerland manage their threats. We have heard enough from naysayers in the past. At a lucky juncture of fate, we found a few brave leaders who have the backbone to above naysayers like you and other peace vendors. Now, before you start the monkey dance, read what Ananda wrote, read slowly, very slowly.

Jay said...

Thusitha said..
(Why shouldn't we attack? Do you think just countering would be good enough? Personal attack works (IMHO).

I'm sorry the moment you start personally attacking you lost the battle!
Stick to the facts and counter the arguements with facts or (fiction)

I hate to say this, learn this from the LTTE pro lobbyist in US,UK and the UN.
They never attack the individual.
They may come up with fiction but they never attack the individual.

Rajiva W has fallen into that trap.

Did you ever hear Lakshman K attack anyone? Never. He may have question the credibility of the sources of information but never question the individual.

Exiled Patriot said...

Thusitha,
We are like Israel whether you like it or not. Fifty million tamils, hostile towards us, live just across the Palk Straits in a country that previously trained and fostered a terrorist group to launch a proxy war against us.

My friend, we as Sinhalese, just have to understand that. If you are a a pacifist believing in the United Nations, please wake up. Just look how much Singapore is spending on defend itself against Malaysia and other countries.

Sam Perera said...

Exiled Patriot,

Ananda-USA appears to be floating an idea, which I strongly support. Don't get hung by numbers. It is the idea that matters. Every time when somebody puts forward a seemingly impossible idea, I try to remember what one of my favorite teachers told me.

"Looser says that it may be possible but it is difficult to do. Winner on the other hand says that, it may be difficult but it is possible to do."

That is the courage and determination General Sarath Fonseka have in vanquishing Eelamist terrorists. That exactly is the courage and determination our old kings had.

Jay said...

Sam P
I'm sorry falling off the chair once is enough.
Oh so you comparing SL to Taiwan, Singapore, Korea, and Switzerland are you?
You suprise me.
I guess the IMF, World Bank, ADB and not forgetting the absent patriots would be coming out with their cheque books?
Good one Sam P.

Sam Perera said...

jay,

Yes, fall of again. Any idea where Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore was in 60s and 70s. Perhaps, it will help you a little bit to understand if you read the political histories of these countries before you give your two cents worth.

Jay said...

addendum to my last post.

Lets get our country in order economically and politically.

ps- Do you honestly think India or even China (are new found friends) going to sit back and watch SL strengthen our armed forces?
Ofcourse they would sell arms to SL as they have done in the past but only out of date ones.

Jay said...

Sam P

Political history you say?


Is their any semblance of those to SL or the governance? (mis- management, corruption, thuggery just to name a few)
If my memory serves me right the political history of SL has been shambles.
Sorry- Sam P lets see how SL resolves its current issues even before it even thinks about pie in the sky scenarios.

Jay said...

Gentlemen!
I bid you all a good day

Corey said...

"Thankfully, I'm a Tamil. Whichever corner of the world I may work or live in, I remain a Tamil".

--and remain a loser like the lttp -forever!!!!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Haaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Haaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

Sam Perera said...

jay,

Do you really know where Singapore was before Lee Kwan-Yu? We are nation infested with naysayers like you. Luckily, the Sri Lankans are waking up to courageous and innovative thinking than they used to do in the modern history. Sky in the pie or not, the success comes to the people who dream the impossible and make it come true by sheer determination.

Nilambare said...

Hey Guys, look at what one of the Tamil guys called "Sri" has writen as a comment on SBS (Aus) Dateline program. Good on you. Ha HaA ha!. Good on you, Sri. We need more like you.

"We Tamils at least NOW have to realise that for us to have a peaceful existence in SL, we need to get rid of the LTTE. What have the LTTE done to us Tamils over the last 30 yrs? We have gone back 30 yrs and two generations of our people are uneducated and have become LTTE 'soldiers'. But the terrorist leaders' children are being well educated and looked after. Until we get together and say enough is enough, we Tamils are gone for another generation or two. Are you (specially ones in overseas) ready to send your own kids to LTTE?"

TropicalStorm said...

Interestingly, the shrill voice at UNCS to discuss SL comes form Mexico, one of the 'fringe' states,expected to degenrate into anarchy anytime.

The Mexicans are embarassed by the attention from across the border and the world listing them as a potential basket case. So the strategy seems to be to throw mud at someone else and divert attention away from their own vulnerability.

The US is watching the scene carefully.

SRAF said...

මිස් ඉන්ෆොර්මේශන් වේසි! වරෙන් රෑට මගෙ ගෙදරට....මමයි මගේ කොල්ලො සෙට් එකයි උඹට හොද පෝලිමක් දාලා දෙන්නම් සිස් ෆයර් එකක්....උබට එතකොට හම්බවෙයි තොගෙ පීලම තොගෙ පුකෙයි, කටෙයි, හුතෙයි....පල කෑරි වේසි යන්න.

hemantha said...

Jay,
"Did you ever hear Lakshman K attack anyone?"

Yes. He called Australian foreign minister a "sissy".

"87% of Sri Lankans are below the poverty line"

You are lying. I think, intentionally.

SRAF said...

Does any one know the legal procedure one has to follow to build a gun in sri lanka.... something similar to an AK-103

Thusitha said...

Exiled Patriot said...
Thusitha,
We are like Israel whether you like it or not. Fifty million tamils, hostile towards us, live just across the Palk Straits in a country that previously trained and fostered a terrorist group to launch a proxy war against us.

My friend, we as Sinhalese, just have to understand that. If you are a a pacifist believing in the United Nations, please wake up. Just look how much Singapore is spending on defend itself against Malaysia and other countries.

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Hey,
Don't call me a pacifist. My motto is if someone hits you, hits twice as hard. No pacifism here. My only question was the sheer size of the force. But we need to very quickly build our economy if we are going to undertake such a thing. Also another thing, wouldn't the guys in the army get bored, when there aren't any tigers to shoot? Remember, when fire fighters don't have any thing to do they create fires. Therefore they need to find things to keep them occupied as well.

Being Nobody said...

Jay said...87% of Sri Lankans are below the poverty line and here we have Ananda USA has a brain wave of spending the last reserves to strengthened the forces.

SL's national poverty rate is 24 %
Don't lie between your teeth. This rate is far far better compared to india's 28%.

Spending for security is a future investment.

Being Nobody said...

Jay said ...
I guess the IMF, World Bank, ADB and not forgetting the absent patriots would be coming out with their cheque books?

They already have.

Being Nobody said...

Sam P,

I strongly hope we follow Lee Kwan-Yu. All it took was just two decades.

Exiled Patriot said...

Thusitha,
Lot of countries have peace-time, well trained standing armies of large size.They are kept busy and well trained with live-fire exercises, drills and overseas peace missions, etc. Believe me, our army will not be bored. Our duty is to educate all those crazy, pacifist Sinhalese, who naively believed that peace accords and economic development will bring national security, that this is not the case. Nation security and defence of national borders carry a heavy price. If we don't invest time, money, men and material on it now, future generations will again the pay a heavy price just like our generation did when India launched their proxy-war against us using the LTTE.

That is another thing we have to educate our people about...India started this war by proxy against us. This is no difference between this one and ancient invasions of country by South Indian invaders. The JVP is exactly right about this one although they are completely wrong about almost everything else! This Eelaam (is that how you say it?) war should go down the annals of sri lankan history as an indian aggression against us ans it should not be allowed to be forgotten.

If we have a massive standing army and a modern and navy and an air-force, it will deter Indian aggression towards us.

Being Nobody said...

Jay where is your other half navindran??

ඉයන් said...

TropicalStorm said...
Interestingly, the shrill voice at UNCS to discuss SL comes form Mexico, one of the 'fringe' states,expected to degenrate into anarchy anytime.

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It could be the money talking too. Like Thailand letting KP to operate there and selling arms to LTTE. Otherwise what interest Mexico could have for a country that is out of their horizon and no mexicans involved in the conflict?

BTW do we do enough to thank China and Russia for helping us? How about at least some banners thanking them in SL.

Exiled Patriot said...

hey you all squabbling, foolish Sinhalalese, it is much a cheaper to build a peace time defence force (air, sea and land) than during war time. Most of expenditure now is spent on non-capital expenses, i.e. fighting the war it self. During peace time, we can very easily and affordably spend money on building our forces. So quit being like skeptical old Gamaralas!

Exiled Patriot said...

By the way,,
The Catholic Church in Sri Lanka should be "dismantled" for their support of the LTTE. Everybody from frikking Archbishops to alterboys are guilty of this!!

Jambudipa said...

Dear Ananda,

This is a good debate and I hope everyone remain civil.

You have a valid point about a deterrent. You are essentially thinking about a defense mechanism that will force a potential internal or external enemy think twice about capturing parts or entire country.

Only death and taxes is certain in life. That is why we work on threat assessments and give some future event a probability of occurring. Although well meaning, if the assessment is based on wrong information, even in the best case scenario, the time, resources and effort wasted would be collosal. We are not talking peanuts here. Its a massive effort that will allocate men and material that would otherwise be used for economic benefit.

The country has gone through a rough ride for 30 years. The will of the Sinhalese for this to never reoccur is strong. That is why some propose various ethnic integration and security mechanisms to prevent this from happening again. The emotions are high and the dust hasn't settled yet. My concern is that any decision that is made in this background may be reactionary and not based on realistic threat assessment.

What we as a nation should now focus on is a healing process to unite the country again. There are many Tamils still in IDP camps in Batticloa. They still have no homes to go to. These are not separatists but people who just want to adjust back to normal life.

So Ananda, since there is no immediate threat of enemy invasion, I suggest you propose ideas that could bring about a healing processes and reconciliation. Let us use the finite resources we have at our disposal for this purpose. Your vast knowledge in world affairs will help the country immensely.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Hey I am back,
Good discussion going on about defence of the future and whether it is viable. On the negative two sides to the same coin appears to be - Oh! idle hands- and - we need to build the economy not the military. Ananda has already made the cogent argument for the need for a large defence force (for deterrent purposes alone). In that sense it must be remebered that just to equal the Senkadagala King's standing army (per capita of population) modern SL would need a Defence Force of 500 000. Other than I will briefly address the issue of the two sided coin.

You don't have to have personnel trained in armed combat and intelligence just sitting around. Sri Lanka has a Defence University now.One would recruit the cleverest who are willing to be recruited and help them develop careers. Careers which would help Sri Lanka's interests in future. Such careers are numerous. When they reach thirty release them with the condition of recall or let them pay their bond back. Continue to look after them and help them with their career development. Provide extra benefits to their families.
You will soon have a highly trained, talented and motivated workforce which can double as a civil or military workforce.

The young people who pass University Entrance but do not get opportunity for free tertiary education are the obvious fodder for this potential economic-military machine.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

BTW,
Has anyone not worked out yet that "Jay" is a subtle LTTE mole (actually not so subtle as s/he thinks).

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Aananda and (new?) Panhinda,

All (Tamil Muslim, Sinhala) IDP are a certain priority.

The only other successful anti-terror campaign in a Unitray country was in Malaya under the British (until now).

I have listened to a Chinese Malaysian describe how they did it.

Essentially they (the military) "protected" all vulnerable villages with the presence of military detachments. The people's movements may have been slightly restricted (including searches) but they were secure from being used as the ocean by the Communist "fish". Ultimately, the insurgents were defeated and people learnt to work for economic betterment in a united Malaysia.

Thus, there is plenty of work for soldiers in a peace-time Sri Lanka. Mark my words, Sarath Fonseka will need to recruit more. He will recruit more Muslim and other Tamil speaking soldiers as well as more sinhala. He has already written a line in the sand.

The ocean can never be permitted to be harvested by terra fish again.

Diyasena said...

Ananda-USA love your idea. But we need several well prepared plans for such contingencies (What areas we hold etc.). Having a massive standing army is not always enough, as demonstrated by Iraq in both gulf wars (Luckily our geography is better to hinder an invader). We should be able to contest naval and aerial superiority at least for a day or two. A huge reserve force will help us fight delaying action against the invader till international opinion turns against them (A bit like what LTTP is trying unsuccessfully atm.)

Diyasena said...

Jay,

You are wrong when saying China is a new found friend. They called the LTTp problem an internal matter in 1983 and still do the same.

It is India that has been inconsistent. But they too are realising a strong and friendly Sri Lanka will do them more good than harm (hence the suggestions for a joint space program etc.). Once we get a mutual defence agreement with India things will get better.

Jambudipa said...

Mayil, its still the same old Panhinda. :)

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Panhinda,
I noticed an entry on your last post.
"There are many Tamils still in IDP camps in Batticloa"

Very disappointing! If you are "Tamil" then shame on you! Why is it always about "Tamils".
What about the silent Muslims IDP's who have been waiting well over a decade? What about the Sinhalas who (if they have not been massacred) have not even received any IDP assistance? They have merely gone on and found other lives, I presume.

In the antipodes (Oz and NZ) there is a term called whinger. It essentially stands for constant complainers in these lands in which people just make the most of what they can get. People tend to just help each other in times of trouble.

Perhaps instead of "poor me", it should be "give us the same as Colombo has". It is subtle change in mind-set. It has already occurred in the east.

I think we will see the togetherness of the Sri Lankans once the LTTE are vanquished.

In the only country which has prominent representation of all 4 major religions one can expect extraordinary humanity. Sri Lankans are extraordinarily generous people and they demonstrated it during the 2004 Tsunami. My Best Wishes to these people whom I will stand up to help at any time.

Jambudipa said...

Mayil,

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Very disappointing! If you are "Tamil" then shame on you! Why is it always about "Tamils".

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I am above petty racial identity politics. I raised Tamil IDP because it currently being highlighted in the press. If it was about Sinhala IDP, I would have used that as an example.

wijayapala said...

Dear Mayilravana Aiye,

"Ananda has already made the cogent argument for the need for a large defence force (for deterrent purposes alone). In that sense it must be remebered that just to equal the Senkadagala King's standing army (per capita of population) modern SL would need a Defence Force of 500 000."

We do not live in Kandyan times anymore when people fought with sticks and stones. The Portuguese, Dutch, and British were outnumbered 1,000 to one and yet they defeated us- and at least one of the important "force multipliers" they had was control of the sea.

Today sea power has been replaced by air power. With air superiority the strongest army can be shredded to pieces. In 1987, the SLA came very close to defeating the LTTE. India told us to stop and sent some supply ships to Jaffna. Our SLN told the Indians to feed their own starving masses and drove these ships away. Then the Indian Air Force sent a subtle message by air-dropping supplies into Jaffna, and then JR pulled the plug on the war. We were defeated without the Indians having to land a single troop (that came later after JR signed away Sri Lankan sovereignty to Rajiv Gandhi).

If we reach out to the Tamils instead of telling them to f*ck themselves and calling them "sakkiliya", then we will not need a 500,000-man SLA and more importantly India or anyone else will not be able to divide and rule us by supporting the Tamils against us.

Exiled Patriot said...

Panhinda sounds like the moda gamarala type. he will chew bulath while the paddy fields are burning

N said...

war's on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/86eud/wow_sri_lankas_ministry_of_defense_have_a_map_of/

I saw some LTTE sympethizers. I left some comments, now it's your turn to pick up from there

Jambudipa said...

exile patriot,

thanks for that. what is your thoughts on the issue and why you think this way. please be specific. identify the threat and name your solution.

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Ananda-USA said...

Thusitha said...


Man, these numbers are two high. That is almost 10% of Sinhalese population. We should increase up to these amounts only if we see rising threat of TN (when we see it is very likely TN is going to get independence). If we do this, we would end up being like Isreal. Has it pros and cons.


Thusitha,

What is your BASIS for saying that my numbers are too high? Where do you get your 10% estimate from?

There are over 18 million Sinhala people, so it works out to less than 4% and less than 2.6% if we include the Moslem/Moor population also. If we include the entire population of 22 million, it is about 2.3% !

These numbers are NOT too high! Sarath Fonseka has said he needs 300,000 SLA troops to stabilize and hold the Wanni, alone...much less protect the rear areas. Add to that the SLN and SLA personnel of a slightly larger SLN and SLAF, and you will come close to the 500,000 strength.

My estimate of a 4,000,000 strong National Guard force includes all adults from 18-55 years of age. About 67% of the people are in this age range, so about 15 million people, or both sexes, are eligible for service. I have assumed, for various reasons, that only 1/3 of that resource are included in the National Guard.

Force levels in Other Countries confronting Large Enemies

I posted at DW many months ago, a breakdown as a percentage of the population, of the number of people deployed in the armed forces in countries threatened by powerful external enemies, and my numbers are not far off the mark. Yes, Israel ranks highly among them; and we in Sri Lanka should emulate Israel, at least in learning how to defend our country. I will repost this article both at DW and at the SriLankaPatriots Blog.

US Post-War Force Levels in Iraq

Gen. Shinseki, the Former Chief of Staff of the US Army, advocated about 300,000 men for the invasion of Iraq, not so much to defeat the Iraqi Army, but to hold the country after the Iraqi Army had been defeated. Well, he was overruled by Donald Rumsfeld and his Republican "small smart defence" proponents, even though post-war occupation would be a low-tech conflict required many boots on the ground. The lessons have learned from the Vietnam war, and in Somalia, in Beirut etc were forgotten. The result was that the post-war stabilization of Iraq was a monumental disaster that lead to the deaths of about 5,000 US troops, wounding of 50,000 US troops, and the unnecessary killing and maiming of hundreds of thousand of Iraqis, turning them against the US.

SLA Force Levels Needed accroding to Gen. Sarath Fonseka

If you have been following the Eelam wars, one of our principal problems in the past 30 years was that we didn't have adequate troops to hold the frontlines, man the military zones in the immediate rear, and protect the rest of the country as well. That was not because we couldn't do it, but because we never recognized what it takes to fight and win this war in the quickest possible time, and tried to "do it on the cheap." Listen to what Gen. Sarath Fonseka has said over and over again, and why even in the late stages of the war he was forming and deploying additional Task Forces and Divisions. He is haunted by the lack of troops that limited us to narrow road-bound advances; we simply didn't have the troops for the broad advances that won the day in the current phase of the war. Well, we got our collective asses kicked in the battlefield as a result in the past, giving rise to the false myth of the "Invincible Tigers" and encouraging them to become increasingly intractable and demanding from their weak opponent: us.

Lessons from the US Civil War

To see what it takes to win a Civil War in the SHORTEST POSIIBLE TIME, it is instructive to examine the balance of forces in the US Civil war. When US President Abraham Lincoln was faced with the US Civil War, the Northern states had a population 22 million (precisely Sri Lanka's population today!) of whom 21.6 million were non-slave; while the Southern Confederate states had a population of 9 million of whom 5.5 million were non-slave. The Northern forces numbered 2.1 million, or approximately 10% of non-slave population, while the South mustered 1.06 million, approximately 20% of the non-slave population. The Northern casualties were 110,00 kia, 275,000 wounded, and 360,000 total dead (incl. civilians). The Southern casualties were 93,000 kia, 137,000 wounded and 260,000 total dead (incl. civilians). The total dead of 620,000, as a percentage of the contending populations (27.1 million) is 2.29%.

In comparison, Sri Lanka has a population of about 22 million now, of whom according to the 2001 census,4.3% are Sri Lanka Tamils and 5.1% are Indian Tamils. These may are may not be accurate if uncleared areas in 2001 are not reflected in these statistics. Assuming these statistics, the 90.6% non-Tamils citizens (I include the 8% Moslems but exclude the 5.1% Indian Tamils) POTENTIALLY supporting the GOSL are 19.9 million, while the 4.3% Sri Lankan Tamils who could be POTENTIAL supporters of the LTTE are 0.95 million.

If we assume there are 250,000 total SLDF personnel now, and that the LTTE had 25,000 cadres at the beginning of EElam war IV then, the GOSL has deployed 1.26% of its supporters to fight the war, while the LTTE deployed 2.63% of the Sri Lanka Tamil population.

The 70,000 dead civilians cited often in news reports was frozen in place many years ago for PR purposes; it does not reflect the true number of casualties of this extended conflict in Sri Lanka. Including military dead on both sides and the civilian dead, I estimate the true number to be about 150,000. If we assume that number is correct, it represents about 0.71% deaths in the population, compared to 2.29% in the US Civil war, or about 1/3 the death rate in the US Civil war.

These estimates, however, do not truly reflect the debilitating effects of an extended period of Civil war over a 30 year period as opposed to a sharper shorter conflict over 4 years, and in particular, the opportunities lost for national development and progress in a competitive fast changing world.

As in Sri Lanka, the Southerners whipped the less well prepared Northern forces in every battle until the battle of Gettysburg; after that it was all downhill for the CSA. Lincoln, like Mahinda Rajapaksa provided unwavering support to his armed forces, taking care of the politics, allowing his generals to wage war. He went through an series of generals until he found Ulysees S. Grant, William Tecumseh Sherman and Philip Henry Sheridan to fight the war with the dogged determination needed to win. Our political leaders who preceded MR and GR didn't provide our defense forces what they needed to win...which made all the difference. Well, the US civil war was bloody, and was concluded in a short 4 years (1861-1865), while our leaders fiddled while Sri Lanka burned for nearly 30 years.

Summary

In conclusion, in my view, the force levels I projected as necessary for the SLDF are ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE for meeting the future needs of our country.

Remember, you can't wait to create a defense force until you need it; it will be altogether too late then.

You must anticipate the events, identify potential enemies and scenarios, and prepare well in advance to confront them, and prevent the conflict by making it NONVIABLE.

The best SLDF is one that does not have to fight the next war by preventing it from beginning.

Anything less, would be like CLOSING THE BARN DOOR AFTER THE HORSE HAS BEEN STOLEN!

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Panhinda,
No worries mate. That's good enough.

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Asithri said...

Aha, I see that “Jay” LTTE whore-dog said:

[You can always depend on Assthri to bring down the tone of discussion even for a fleeting moment.(mothers, daughters, baseball bats..sick!).]

What an honor! How nice!!!

:)) :)) :))

Yes, to "bring down the tone" of any discussion where LTTE Motherfuckers mingle, often surreptitiously, and have discussions as if the issue is about how to save the whales on this planet and NOT about why/how the filthy Sakkili-motherfuckers have killed over 70000 innocent Sri Lankans – yes, I believe it is a great honor to go into any such blog and not only “bring down the tone” but utter the rawest of raw filth one can muster at those LTTE Motherfuckers (which, this OaOA does without fail uh?)…!!!

Aha, now you patriots know why OaOA uses the language he does with these whores uh?

Yes, this LTTE whore-bitch "Jay" tries to make it out he is discussing another innocuous social issue here...he does not realize the pent up hatred, fury, we SL patriots have for his LTTE whores...and how we are determined to liquidate every single of them Motherfuckers from OUR sacred soil!!!

Yes patritos, this is NOT a cricket game, this is NOT about saving the whales and this is is NOT about any other innocuous issue where you need to abide by all the niceties and decorum, but this is about LTTE killers and saving OUR Sri Lanka!

So, in my view, all raw filth against these LTTE whorebitches is not only allowed, but should be wholly encouraged!

:)) :)) :))

OaO Asithri

Bhairav said...

Ever before DW has become a home of extreme racism. Obviously if you want to score quick points on your opponents, use the "patriotic" card which will offset your bankrupt ideas and racism.

Mayil da Monkey says that there have been the occasions people moved on with their lives when they were IDP, so this time around is no exception. It is more like a woman who became pregnant by you, and later on you say that the woman should move on with her life and should not expect any child benefits since other past victims haven't received any such things from me. After all, you're the liberating forces.

Bhairav said...

Oops..
child benefits = child support

Exiled Patriot said...

Panhinda,
My thoughts were given in a contribution few comments before yours. Check back and see. Also, i was teasing you. There no room for complacency among Sinhalese though. We are a nation surrounded by enemies. India is our biggest.

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Ananda-USA said...

Exiled Patriot said..

Ananda-USA's idea is astupid.

Which of my ideas is stupid?

You are regurgitating the large standing SLDF idea that Sam Perera and I, and a few other DW bloggers, have been advocating for over 2 years at DW, including various means of meeting the cost and leveraging their skills for national development.

Please explain what is stupid in what I have said, and how what you are saying now on the need for a large defense force differs from what we have advocated at DW for several years now.

Also, I feel that I have met you at this blog before...I wonder why.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Wijayapala,

I do not discount the importance of force multipliers. In the near future SL cannot hope to be a force in those terms. But it can be a deterrent on the ground as Ananda has already said.
You've got to build from the ground up.

There will be a need for locally manufactured technology. At present SL has RABS and locally manufactured Buffels. This will progress further. There could be unmanned submarines and UVA's being manufactured next. The technology will grow. Defence has to be in depth and at all levels.

Nobody knows the next level to which warfare will go. A country like SL is in dire needs of innovating technology. It is under similar circumstances that other countries made earth shattering discoveries. I would not count SL out yet.

Asithri said...

Aha, as for this LTTE whore-bitch “Jay” this poor, humble OaOA is giving a bad name for Sri Lankans all over!

How sad…this humble OaOA is devastated by this “respectful assessment”…!!!

Anyway, here are:

Good Sri Lankans:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/01/30/alleged-fraudsters-tied-to-tamil-tigers.aspx

or, even Better Sri Lankans:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article816.html

LMSSAO!!! Truly LMSSAO!!!

Jay the LTTE Cocksuker...a simple question...does your mother wash her Yoni everyday with bleach? If so, I will be of service to your father every night.

:)) :)) :))

OaO Asithri

Asithri said...

GooBhariya

[child benefits = child support]

Not an issue...

LTTE whore-dogs in the Diaspora commit both types of frauds equally well.

:)) :)) :))

OaO Asithri

Asithri said...

Hey මඉල් රවා පොර...කොහොමඩ මල්ලි...හොඩින් ඉන්නවාද? අපිනම් සෑම වෙලඉම ජcක් එක ගහගන තමඊ ඉන්නේ!

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asthri

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Heh Heh Heh,
StoneDick is back!

Hey, Bhairavaya, in the antipodes, people who keep putting the hand out are called bludgers.
If you were to read what I said carefully you'd know that we don't what happened to sinhala victims of Tamil thugs. Yes, remember the ethnic cleansing of Jaffna?
I speculate that these people have just got on with their lives instead of whinging.

Now, at least these people appear to have done so. It appears that some people, cannot stop whinging even when they are ensconed in the lap of luxury all their lives. If you really care about the poor "Tamil" people of SL then I suggest you go to SL and get your hands and feet dirty.

I guess that would be asking too much of your pedigree which would not have given a glass of water to a low-caste Tamil or a Sinhala. Is that what you are whinging about now? That your kind can no longer lord it over the people of Sri Lanka? Forever, that is.

Tag is over to you Asthiri!

Asithri said...

Bro AnandaUSA

[I feel that I have met you at this blog before...I wonder why]

Do not wonder much bro...it is none other than a LTTE whoredog who comes here with multiple IDs...yes, when one ID falls into shame, the whorebitches just gets another one and comes here to first gain respect and then try and influence SL patriots' mind against the GOSL/SLDF.

OaO Asithri

Jambudipa said...

Exile Patriot,

Its good that Wijepala introduced the concept of 'force multipliers'. A 500,000 ground troops is so yesterday's thinking. The future battles will be WMDs, robotics, electronics and in space.

For one thing, half a million troops and 4 million home guards will have to be maintained at some expense. You not only need to sustain the expense, you also need to ensure their morale is high to fight a battle. When there is no enemy, the morale will be lowered and desertions take place. All the resources spent on training is lost.

To fight a smart battle, you have to have capital and cash reserves. We need to launch satellites, set up manufacturing facilities and R&D. If the resources we have are used to arm a force that may 99% of the time stay idle, then its a waste of money.

What I suggest is build up a cash reserve with prudent economic management. Threat arise over a period of time. We need good intelligence presence to detect any threat 1 year or so ahead. Its only when a threat arises we use the reserves and plan for a siege. Again, will not be a half a million army but something smarter with force multipliers.

Bhairav said...

Re: 500,000+ ground troops.

No wonder why modas are making big thing out of 500k defense forces. If you really think that national security is at most priority, then make mandatory military training for all the folks who turn 19 and keep the strong military force of 200k on around the clock ready, which can be achievable with even your sputtering economy.

Sellout da USA-Ananda likes quantity over quality that's why his posts are very long and thrives on the 500k forever.

Asithri said...

WesaPala is busy...

All cross-dressers (Ponnayas) need to undress at some point in time!

Miss Information to WesaPala means getting out of the pink panties and getting into leather jock-straps made in San Fran!!!

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asithri

Bhairav said...

Next world war will be fought behind the screens for jobs and economic prosperity. If you put all your resources for national security, you will be left behind even in the developing nations when it comes to quality of life.

Asithri said...

OK, I really must get back to the gig...I am being called anti-social...(it is 1am in NY Sunday morning)...

Catch you later patriots...

OaO Asithri

Saman said...

Ananda-USA,

As always, a good write up on the future defense needs of the country.

Our current forces have become skillful, experienced and more importantly disciplined out fit. In the past I always concerned about supporting over militarized societies. This was purely based on the fact that many such societies, especially with undisciplined armies, got destabilized under dictatorships.

Seeing how our guys are working with restraint is heartening. They are disciplined enough risking their own lives and postponing the annihilation of the LTTE, in order to save civilians (mind you at least 50% of them are from Mahaveer families who would, given half a chance, trained and brainwashed to massacre Sinhalese civilians). Such military discipline is great to see.

I think country is ready to have a sizable army and a civil defense reserve to protect our motherland.

Exiled Patriot said...

I was just referring to somethings you said about burying weapons underground for use later and all that.

I think we already have a great defence force. We just need to expand and enlarge and keep it simple. The command structure and the military leadership is also there obviously (we are winning the war!). What we need to change is the attitude among Sinhalese..that pacifist attitude that comes along with Buddhist idea of contentment.

I think, we are all in agreement..thats good. I am new to this blog..I mean I haven't contributed much although I read it a lot. By the way, please ignore the mad rantings of third-class, uneducated descendants of a subhuman race, a.k.a tamils who ruining this blog.(who else would send their own people to death as suicide bombers)

Bhairav said...
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Bhairav said...

[Seeing how our guys are working with restraint is heartening. They are disciplined enough risking their own lives and postponing the annihilation of the LTTE, in order to save civilians (mind you at least 50% of them are from Mahaveer families who would, given half a chance, trained and brainwashed to massacre Sinhalese civilians). Such military discipline is great to see.]

LOL! You've killed at least 3600 innocent Tamils and wounded 8000 more in less than two and half months, which gives at least 50 people a day. Why it takes too long to capture the remaining land when only 500 LTTErs are there?

Having MBAs from Harvard business school means not necessarily you can be successful in managing the business just as elite military trainings won't be the sole factor of deciding the war. On the fly you have to take drastic decision and risk cost analysis, that will decide the outcome of any task you undertaken.

This is all about the will to fight when it comes to war where Tamils have more than its fair share of stakes than what SLA has, which will be the ultimate the dictating factor of war. The combat skills and bravery of Tamils can't be ignored in centuries to come.

Thusitha said...

Ananda-USA said...

Thusitha,

What is your BASIS for saying that my numbers are too high? Where do you get your 10% estimate from?

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Please ignore my comment. It sounds quite a lot as Australia doesn't have a such a big force (Then again Australia doesn't have enemies within). I didn't think we are planning for the future aggression of India. If Vietnam can build an army that can compete with with China to protect it's borders (Not taking a swipe at China, I am ever grateful for Chinese help for SL) we should be able to to build a good force ourselves. At the same time, as someone suggested, we should thrive to be technologically superior because we would not be fighting with Bata brigades.

Sam Perera said...

Panhinda,

The reserve force is not a paid military force. It is a continuing process of keeping trained men and women, but they are engaging in their regular jobs, may be a teacher, engineer, businessman etc. That is how exactly Switzerland does. Obviously this is an idea we need to fine tune based on potential future threats.

අසනි said...

Bhairav,
You have said 3600 innocent civilians were killed. Give us figures of LTTE casualties.

Being Nobody said...

Miss information said..A ceasefire is needed to evacuate the citizens though... tough call when you have a criminal like VP on the run but tough calls are what brave governance is all about...

The ceasefire is a strategic move that costs the GoSL nothing. Just exactly how and where do the LTTE re-goup to? They can't be re-supplied in terms of munitions and fuel... at least if we believe the GoSL's description of the security cordon.


Bitch, do you want the GOSL to impose an unilateral ceasefire? How can that be a strategic move? Even if GOSL declares a ceasefire why should the LTTE part willingly with its human shield? It does not make sense. A ceasefire at this point will cost the lives of many because LTTE in past had no respect for any ceasefire. In any strategic game/move past actions of the players is known as "information" and asymmetric information leads to defeat/added costs.

HAHAHAA no wonder you keep spreading misinformation.

Sam Perera said...

Panhinda,

"What I suggest is build up a cash reserve with prudent economic management. Threat arise over a period of time. We need good intelligence presence to detect any threat 1 year or so ahead. Its only when a threat arises we use the reserves and plan for a siege. Again, will not be a half a million army but something smarter with force multipliers."

Imagine where we are today if had a SLDF in 1980s comparable to today's size and quality. The force multiplier is not that successful for US forces Iraq or Afganistan. Obviously, we are not in the business of invading other land. Therefore our strategy should be focused around deterrence than reaction. On the same note, it is extremely naive to believe that no foreign power will not try to meddle with our matters if we get Tamil Sri Lankans integrated as Monkeypala suggests. It is a very ideal scenario and it will be several generation away on our way to that ideal condition. We need to deal with the existing than expecting a higher power to bring in ideal conditions.

Moshe Dyan said...

LTTE fcuking desperate now.

from dm...

"In an interview with Britains The Sunday Times Balasingham Nadesan, the political leader of the LTTE, pleaded for an urgent ceasefire. He said the Tigers, classified as a terrorist organisation in Britain because of their use of suicide attacks, would enter negotiations with the government “without pre-conditions”.

The daily bombing and shelling was described by Nadesan as “geno-cidal warfare”. “We call for a ceasefire, loudly and clearly,” he said. “Continuous denial of humanitarian access to the civilian population, and non-stop artillery and aerial attacks, are creating an unbearable situation.”"

we don't want any peace with you SUCK-KILL-AYYA barbarians. if you want peace, DIE. you will rest in peace. there is no other peace for you.

this is our way of handling things and we LOVE it. don't spoil our fun.

Moshe Dyan said...

sam,

mate, i agree with you but there is a small copyright issue. lol!!

ethnic integration was md(j)'s introduction to DW.

if we don't do EI in NE, DEFINITELY there will be another attempt by tamil elamists to restart their campaign. they have ENOUGH money. that means enough weapons and enough cadres. they only need a breeding place - a monoethnic enclave.

a monoethnic NE is the MOST attractive thing for tamil elamists. it is like a virgin for them. we should end this monoethnic virginity in the north and parts of the east. then it will be unattractive for them and they will be forced to look elsewhere or die without tamil elam.

Diyasena said...

Does anyone know what Mexico and Costa Rica have against us? Being both pro-USA nations it is likely America is using them to get out the Jack seeds. Obviously Austria is a bleeding heart European nation that still falls for Diaspora BS.
Apart from our tradional fraternal ally China, it is heartening to see Russia (Indian interests??), Japan (usually votes along with USA) and Turkey (NATO nation with its own terrror problem)standing up for us.

Moshe Dyan said...

jay,

the east is a GOOD model for democratisation. it should be followed in the north.

security issues in the east are NOT due to any problem in the east. these are batches of trouble makers coming from the north.

another abduction/mass arrest/mass questioning/execution round is underway in east. as in november last year this will substantially reduce LTTE activity in the east. they need this from time to time. but soon there will be no tigers in mulaitivu to infiltrate into other areas.

the other issue is creating a mountain of a molehill. there are only VERY minor security probs in the east. toiletnet is trying to zoom these out of proportion.

Suranimala said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyQBM6YuSM8

Moshe Dyan said...

diyasena,

i don't think US is urging these countries to do so.

turkey HIGHLY appreciates MR's war on terror. he personally conveyed that.

russia has its own seperatist problems. it wants to send a message to the rest of the world NOT TO MEDDLE.

there are about 15 countries (??) that are elected to the UNSC on a rotation basis. we discussed sometime back about writing to them/ their ambasadors exlaining the TRUE SL situ. it may not work but at least worth trying.

Jambudipa said...

Sam,

Switzarland can afford to do it because its a first world nation. Its not that we cannot do it too if we really try hard, but there is much cheaper and friendlier alternative. An economic/social and political solution that will keep Tamils in Sri Lanka content with reassurances the country will not be divided is the best. You keep Tamils happy, then Tamil Nadu is happy. If Tamil Nadu is happy India will be happy too. Let me assure this is not that hard.

Tamils in Sri Lanka is different to Tamils in Tamil nadu. They identify them differently precisely because of this. It was the fault of the Vellahla Tamil politicians initially that created the isolation. However, we have to be magnanimous and bring the ordinary Tamil folk back into the common national fold. The problem in the past has been because of the sheer numbers of Sinhalese, Tamil voice have diminished. There has to be some affirmative action to give them back some say in national politics. If you look at how Coomaraswamy ruled during independence, there is one thing clear. They were patriotic to the point some Brits thought they were Sinhala Buddhists. They were given affection by the Sinhala population in return as Kadiragamar was. If we create a similar environment with one common identity, the Tamil people will be as patriotic and fight for this nation with same vigor.

We can continue on this path of anger, mistrust and hate. This will ensure people continue to live in a toxic stressful environment. We already have a solution but because of the anger and hatred it cannot be seen with a clear vision. Here is the policy for future national security of Sri Lanka. Exist by the principles of Dhamma. Once you do, it will be protected by the Dhamma.

This was my last post in this blog. Wish everyone the best!

Moshe Dyan said...

suranimala,

thnx.

good job whoever created it.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Exiled Patriot,

"By the way, please ignore the mad rantings of third-class, uneducated descendants of a subhuman race, a.k.a tamils who ruining this blog."

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Please note that racism in the clear manner you have depicted and the likes of Bhairav and Peter depict everyday are not tolerated on this blog by the rest of us.
We may call racists like Bhairav sakkiliya or peelam-pyters etc. These are epithets we reserve for them because we like to use terms that would hurt these racist MF's.

That does not mean that we tolerate racism from those claiming to be patriots. For all I know you could be an LTTE mole trying get patriots here to say racists things about Tamil people.

Please get this straight. If you are a mole we will discover you (if it has not been done already). If you are a patriot I respectfully ask you to desist from tarring all Tamil people with the same LTTE brush.

If you are a patriot then I think you owe all Tamil-patriots a HUGE APOLOGY.

Thiru, if you are reading please accept my apology on behalf of Exiled-Patriot (the more I think the I feel he's an LTTE mole).

Diyasena said...

Ethnic integration should include both tamil inclusion at the centre and racial diversification at the periphery (North and East). The tamils are alrady given more rights at here than in any other nation. But we should consider certain cosmetic but highly symbolic gestures to make sure they cant continoualy whinge in international fora..

1. Maybe chuck in a few tamil lines into Sri Lanka Matha..beats having different versions in both languages

2. Creating a vice president post (or ceremonial president if we revert to westminister system)that rotates between ethnic and religious minorities

In the North and East the Tesavalamai law should be abolished..Land powers must be kept with the centre whilst giving limited police, judiciary powers to the provinces (again cosmetic..there should be safegurads to make sure they can be easily taken back)..Once the barriesrs to purchase land is abolished Sinahlase and muslim businesses must be encouraged to set up in the North..Government too should create multiethnic industrial towns using its crown lands to house the workers..

This way we can keep the interantional mischeifmakers and diaspora whingers at bay whilst having a stable unitary democracy

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Bhairav said,

"Next world war will be fought behind the screens for jobs and economic prosperity. If you put all your resources for national security, you will be left behind even in the developing nations when it comes to quality of life."

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Patriots,
The fact that a racist (former war-monger) like Bhairav is feeling so sorry for us that he is giving free advice to SL about why we should not have a large SLDF should be enough evidence that Ananda-USA is on the right track. If you have read all that he has said, then you'd know that he's talking about something in the order of,

1)300 000 Army
2)200 000 Navy and Air Force
3)4 mil reserves (yes they will be trained as civilian professionals bonded to Defence Force and educated through Defence University)
4)Use of expatriate expertise in providing courses (provided freely on a free trip and accomodation basis- sort of like a sabbatical)
5)Military supported manufacturing industry
6)Military investments in assets both within and without the country
7) R & D

Ideas like doing space projects jointly with China and India and developing IT expertise and manufacturing is included under this rubric.

The large force is deterrence. The rest will still happen on top that. The employed soldiers will not be idle. There will be security provided for vulnerable villages by highly trained and visible as well as covert operatives. There will be a great deal of Nation Building work. Batches will need to be sent overseas destinations to exchange expertise (now that SLDF can be an equal on the World Stage). There will be Tamil speakers and Muslims recruited.

All this would need to be in parallel with unmistakable security provided for any minorities anywhere on the island. Any communal violence (rather, the threat of it) will get a swift response anywhere on the island.
Tamil leaders (moderate) will be highly visible and promoted and protected (unlike previously).

Finaly expatriates, Indians and Chinese would be enough to kick start the tourist industry while protecting Asian values and expatriates (sinhala, tamil, muslim) will become eager shareholders of the economy to rebuilt.

I have to admit that the extent of the latter would depend how the MR regime goes about tackling corruption and underworld mafia from this point onwards.

Diyasena said...

Mosche,

10 Countries are elected on a rotational basis whilst 5 our permanent members. A resolution require 9 votes and no vetos to pass.

us writing letters might not help but the people in the foreign ministry need to do something..And we dont have to cajole all 10 members either..most African countries (Uganda in this case) tow the same line as China..The Arab league (represented by Libya atm) is steadily behind us. The support from East asia (Vietnam now) is also likely most of the time either due to China or out own cultural ties.

the stance of the two Hispanic nations is puzzling. It could be a number of reasons,

1. Remnant bitternes for our pro-British stance during the Falklands war.

2. Ignorance- They just go on hearsay about genocide (Most Latin american I ahve met do not know where SL is)

3. USA influence - Costa Rica and Mexico are two of the few reamining right-wing governments in the increasingly left leaning Hispanic bloc

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MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Diyasena,

"Maybe chuck in a few tamil lines into Sri Lanka Matha..beats having different versions in both languages"

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Bloody Excellent suggestion Bro!
The other suggestions, I have heard before but not this one.

I think you or Aanda-USA should e-mail this idea to the SL-President straight away. It may be symbolic but it is bloody big symbol.

As I have not been a Sri Lankan for many many years it is been a while since I've recited it; but putting Tamil lines in it would be good reason to relearn it just to show how proud we are as expatriate Sri Lankans and that we stand by our Tamil patriot brothers and sisters.

I am chuffed that I had decided to visit the blog today just to be enlightened by your straight from the heart comment brother.

I am proud to be your brother!

Ananda-USA said...

MayilRavana said...

If you are a patriot I respectfully ask you to desist from tarring all Tamil people with the same LTTE brush.


Well said, brother! Everytime we detect these kinds of statements, we need to quickly apologize for them, if we are true patriots. A graceful apology should not detract from our self-worth, but will enhance it.

MayilRavana, this is why we cannot afford to have you going AWOL from DW! :) :)

Diyasena said...

MayilRavana,

Thanks for the compliment brother..Glad I started commenting on the blog instead of just reading it..

As I am a new member to this blog I leave it to the able hands of Ananda-USA, Sam, Musche et al. to suggest it to the relevant authorities if they see fit.

We never stop being Sri Lankan bro..Well I've been only away for two years so I still remember the anthem word to word..Have a good one bro..

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

A plot attack harbor

Divaina Situation Report

Being Nobody said...

The words 'peace accords'/"ceasefire" have in fact stood for describing an integral part of the LTTE's military strategy contrary to the conventional usage.

This observation can be supported by analyzing the subsequent periods of any given ceasefire in which, the LTTE has always emerged stronger than the GOSL in terms of its military strength.

Therefore these past attempts for peace (through ceasefire agreements) have indeed been unilateral rather than being bilateral.The need of peace was never bilateral but unilateral because ceasefires have acted as an extension of military policy for the LTTE while the GOSL had used these periods to boost its economy, finally failing miserably (on both the economic and the military fronts) to achieve any of its goals.

Therefore by no means should anyone consider a ceasefire to have 'no cost" and to be a "strategic move" as put forth by many representing the peace mafia.

Rana said...

Patriots,

I cannot possibly be silent any more! With this miss info crap!!

You all do not have to waste your time on this miss info crap.

They come in various type of disguise; first civilian, then Sivanasan now miss (dis) info let them waste their time because they are trying everything possible to save their supreme commander and eelam hope.

Do not engage with these Hanumans. Even we engage, we do not have any powers as bloggers. Only MR, GR and SF can decide on ceasefire or anything else.

Let them decide what is best for SL, I have my faith on them.

Unknown said...

Deva Kumarasiri has been sacked by postoffice ltd as at immediate effect and forced to move from his house by local muslims due to his voice for English.

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Colomblogs said...

Bhairav,
About this 3600 Civilian deaths by SLA, What is the source and proof? We have seend thoruhg 25 years how LTTE sold its own deaths and even Sinhala people killed by them to sell them.

And all the people coming out of NFZ are very clear about LTTE and its acts now.

Only you guyz in nice and comfortable West wants to run the war (with a possible Cease fire now)

It is time over for LTTE words. no Genocide, No food Shortage and No civiolan deahts.

BTW If you argue theat all Tamisl are LTTE, then what the fcuk killing them. So no Civilains again.

And at this stage if we have to kill 20,000 Civiilans to get rid of LTTE, we will do it.

Only Tamils can stop that happen!

Colomblogs said...

Genocide to Suicide...A major scale suicide is anticipating from NFZ

Sananjayan kumar said...

How is this News?


Prabhakaran and son seen in No Fire Zone - Ministry of Defence



Sri Lanka Army sources said the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) leader has been seen several times in the Puthukudiyiruppu area's No-fire zone declared by the government for escaping civilians.

The same sources said the LTTE terrorist leader has been seen with his son Charles Anthony Seelan and both of them for most of the time are hiding in an underground bunker.

The army sources quoting Tamil civilians who have escaped the area said both of them have from time to time have come out from the bunkers and explained to the non-cadres of the LTTE the importance of rising up against the government forces who are not very far away from the area of the no-fire zone.

The LTTE cadres are now stationed in the Eastern sector and the No-fire zone of the area.

The escaped civilians had reportedly told the army sources that Prabhakaran and Charles Anthony Seelan come out of the bunker in non-military attire, to mix up easily with the civilians. But they had said they are always surrounded by heavily armed special bodyguards.

Meanwhile the 58th Division of the Sri Lanka army during its operations in Iranapalai area has nabbed the driver of Pottuamman, the intelligence chief and deputy leader of the movement.

He has told his army interrogators that he had escaped from the Tiger leaders and hidden himself in the area when the army had caught him. Army sources said so far he had revealed many confidential pieces of information about the LTTE leaders.

Army sources believe that Prabhakaran will try not to leave the Sri Lankan shores right now as he would rather prefer to create a humanitarian crisis into his favour by harming the civilians and imposing a ceasefire that would benefit him.

Terrorism expert Rohan Gunaratne has said, "Prabhakaran can leave the country. But he will become extremely vulnerable if he leaves Sri Lanka, because he is in the Interpol's Red Notice., and he is wanted by most governments in the world. And Prabhakaran is the proclaimed offender in the Rajiv Gandhi case. So, certainly he will not survive for more than a year. If he leaves Sri Lanka he will be killed."

"Prabhakaran is Asia's master of terror. He has brought untold suffering to the Tamils. Today he is holding more than a 100,000 Tamils as hostage. Prabhakaran has created a humanitarian crisis and a few countries overseas have fallen to this trap. I don't think any country will flirt with Prabhakaran. I think that country's reputation will be tarnished if it gives refuge or if it gives even a day's sanctuary to Prabhakaran. Prabhakaran is a very ruthless leader. No one will risk giving him sanctuary," he has added.

Sam Perera said...

Panhinda,

"Sam,

Switzarland can afford to do it because its a first world nation. Its not that we cannot do it too if we really try hard, but there is much cheaper and friendlier alternative. An economic/social and political solution that will keep Tamils in Sri Lanka content with reassurances the country will not be divided is the best. You keep Tamils happy, then Tamil Nadu is happy. If Tamil Nadu is happy India will be happy too. Let me assure this is not that hard."

Don' get stuck to Switzerland, there are more countries like that. It will be great if everybody is happy about everything and nobody will try to meddle with us. However, that is far from reality and mostly wishful thinking. In addition, it does not address other threat factors, and hence insufficient.

Sananjayan kumar said...

ஒட்டப்பந்தயங்களில் முதலில் ஒடுபவர்கள் கடைசியில் மூச்சு வாங்கி திணருவதைப் போல முதலில் எல்லா வளங்களையும் உபயோகித்த இராணுவம் இப்போது ஆளணி இல்லாமல் திணருகிறது. புலிகளோ எல்லா வளங்களையும் அப்படியே காப்பாற்றி வைத்திருந்து இப்போது உபயோகப்படுத்த ஆரம்பித்திருக்கிறார்கள்.

கடந்த இரு வார காலமாக இராணுவம் செமத்தியாக அடி வாங்கிக் கொண்டுள்ளது. இத்தனை காலமும் 'புலிகளுக்கு மிகப் பெரும் இழப்பு. அதே சமயம் இராணுவத்திற்கு சிறிதளவு இழப்பு' என்று கதை விட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்த இராணுவம் கடந்த சில நாட்களாக இரு தரப்பிற்கும் இழப்பு ஏற்பட்டுள்ளதாக ஒத்துக் கொண்டுள்ளது.

இன்னும் புலிகளிடம் என்னென்ன இரகசியமான ஆயுதங்கள் உள்ளன என்று தெரியவில்லை. கனரக ஆயுதங்கள் தங்களிடம் இருப்பதை வெளிக்காட்டாமல் மிகவும் இரகசியமாக வைத்திருந்து கடைசியில் அவைகளை உபயோகப்படுத்தக் கூடும்.

இராணுவம் கைப்பற்றிய பகுதிகளில் ஏற்கனவே புலிகளின் சிறப்புப் படையணிகள் ஊடுறுவி விட்டனர். ஆளணி பற்றாக்குறையால் ஊர்க்காவல் படைதான் அங்கு பாதுகாப்புக்கு நிற்கப் போகிறது.

Sam Perera said...

UNSC, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Austria.

It may be UK pulling the strings since they tried to pull strings last time only to get the middle finger from us. Keep watching.

Peter said...

Ring! Ring!

Peter said...

Pick up the phone.

Peter said...

Duzz,

Please intercept this electronic communication.

Sam Perera said...

LTTE's Gobbles

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