DEFENCEWIRE EXCLUSIVE STORY!!!
LTTE Suffers biggest ever defeat since the start of this war. Over 50 LTTE, including 30+ Charles Anthony Unit cadres, including the unit's Deputy Leader killed. One more team trapped. Number of LTTE killed in SF operations further north still to come.
The General Officer Commanding (GOC) of the 57 Division, Major General Jagath Dias (Chula Dias), a brilliant officer and commander, made a surprise move yesterday at Vaunikulam by ordering his troops from the 57 Division and Special Forces to bypass LTTE camps and to station themselves to the rear of the enemy, thus fully confusing LTTE units prepared and waiting for a fight.With this dazzling move, LTTE units, including two teams of Charles Anthony 'Special Forces' units got caught in the Army's net in the general area south of Mallavi. By this time, SF troops and 57 Division troops that had advanced further north had stationed themselves brilliantly to receive retreating Charles Anthony unit cadres.
The retreating Tigers went straight into the 57 Division's waiting hands. One team of Charles Anthony, led by the Deputy Leader of the unit, Pullaivan, was trapped and later killed by 57 troops along with 21 others from the same unit by the evening. All 22 bodies, including that of Pullaivan, were recovered.
After this fatal blow, around 9pm yesterday, LTTE units led by Lakshman, Bhanu and Lawrence launched a rescue mission to save the trapped cadres. Fighting continued till 2am until the Tigers ran helter skelter carrying whatever remained of their cadres. This resulted in at least 30 other LTTE cadres getting killed.
Currently, one more team of Charles Anthony unit is trapped and fighting for their lives in this area. Sources told this site confidentially that this team will be annihilated within a few hours.
When the 57 and SF troops hoodwinked the Tigers and moved to its rear, they were able to capture a hoard of LTTE weapons including a 120mm canon, two 81mm mortar launchers and tubes, tractors, other vehicles etc. In this limited operation launched towards the bund of the Vavunikulam Tank, around 11 LTTE cadres, including the local area leader Anbu, were killed and bodies recovered.
The Army lost a young Lieutenant in the counter offensive and five soldiers.
103 comments:
I told you so. The next attack will come from nayaru-mulativu-and south of mulativu jungles
this was perhaps a distraction
LTTE is keeping another about 1000 hard core cadre in reserve for any eventuallity as they need them to allow prabhakaran and higher up escape if needed
By the way the beat down was severe!
LTTE now has moved their large gun south of kilinochichi and east A9. They still have considerable arms in the captured areas either buried or hidden away. matter of time before discovery.
LTTE believes infiltrating these areas later and using these weapons...just like in Eastern region..but most of those weapons were discovered
Well done boys. Stay vigilant all the time. Be always ready. May triple gems bless our forces.
Weldone 57th!! these boys have gone hyper!!
I guess the 57th Div staff Offiers & CO expected this and had the boys from 1st 2nd Reg. of SF mixed with hard core light units in the ready as a welcome party of the CASR tigers (or kitty cats by now lol)
if they (57th) had an flight of Mi-35M and a flight of Mi-17 organic to them, they could have traped more tigers and grind them down to dust!!
Hats off and a bow to these lads...
Story is getting better each minute.
Thank you DW.
yep, the story gets better and better..and what a catch for one day!!
Interesting developments!
Mr Dyan
it's your turn to say he! he! he! in glee.
The harvest is bountiful.
Bhalurav must be with the tail between his nuts waiting for the red birds, blue birds and yellow birds to bring cadres for the counter offencives from somewhere because the tiger elites are running away 'helter skelter'being outhought, outsmarted, outwitted and outgunned.
defwire,
is it possible to get some maps up? that would be useful.
thnks and loving your work!
Excellent... Bravo... wonderful...
I cannot find enough words to appreciate this masssacre.
The bonus when we have
[Over 50 LTTE, including 30+ Charles Anthony Unit cadres, including the unit's Deputy Leader killed. One more team trapped. Number of LTTE killed in SF operations further north still to come.
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this is that the vicious ghost called Separatism can now be seen escaping from the back door!
Hello Hello... Velu... your big herd of cattle called Tamil Diaspora RESPECTFULLY wait for an EXPLANATION... WHY THESE RIPE YOUNG COWS WERE SACRIFICED!
Hoooo.... Hooo.... hooooo
I'll have a red please!
red for me too..
all tigers are dead...
:-(
Super sinhala army nobody is hurt
hehe...
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Operation "Red Bird" continues
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17 Army dead, 75 injured
B team giving good leadership
find a good place to hide...hehe
its coming...
:-)
keyboard heroes are going to get an some fireworks soon...hehe
Red for me too pls!!!
This was an excellent operation. We've got to watch it though, complacency is our biggest weakness!
However, judging by the strategic acumen displayed by our field commanders, I say the chances of them being complacent are close to zero!
[B team giving good leadership]
Kuttu,
B team means "Banu" team?
When they give you 33 tigers in a plate, you can not hide the truth. Tell me why we do not get the actual figures these days?
"if the occupying Sinhala forces, disrespecting our goodwill gesture of our people and our nation, carry out any offensives, our movement will be forced to take defensive actions"
Brother Bhairav
it is not Banu
i can't post more info on "Team B"
major battles are imminent...
sinhala army is moving east in south mallavi
high likelihood of a movement also from Jaffna
great update DW
thanks
:)
lets get Malavi & Manakulam
kuttu! whats up with your hee hee ? Is operation red butt going well?
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Kuttu,
When is B team coming? I cant wait for them to come. So A team forgot to bring their A game and got thrashed. So now your sending reserves?
What is the point? B team will have the same, if not worse, fate of A team. After all an A team is called an A team because they are the best, so no point now.
Better just hope B team brings its best game to the races or else KO only for them.
Ah but its ok, we will let you cling on to your dream for a little longer
I also want couple from 'Red' !
Cheers !
Defencenet,
Thanks for the update. As expected LTTE is trying fiercely defend and counter attack 57 in general area south of Mallavi. From the details of your posts attack itself is a brilliant ploy and should go down in history for its strategy and thinking. Credit should go to 57 Division head, Major General Jagath Dias and brigade commanders of 57 and SF. And these officers should be rewarded in due time. LTTE death toll could be higher and once the remaining cadres are killed it could very well reach 60-70 dead.
More counter attacks from LTTE are on the cards in the general area of south east of Tunukkai/Mallavi.
I think the time is not right for a move from Jaffna. There will be a time. We just have to be little patient.
Bhariav,
B team is "Balraj" team,
oh no wait....he dead!
Kuttu putha..,
Will it be "Red bird" or "B Team" come first...?
We are sure and expect LTTE will do some attack. They may attack the most feared, heavily armed fighters of the universe :women and kids in buses and trains..!
But can you protect the most valuable thing to LTTE? not the people but the soil...SLDF is not in the Real-State business. So they will not keep the soil. You can have it..only if any one there...!
As a somewhat relastic person Bahirave may not aware. But your "B team" is the "hope" injected to diaspora now. Everyone defence circles aware of the "B team" talk, which changed name from "Alpha T" recently. It is a secret already knows by the people who wants to know about it..So just sent a mail to bahirav and inform.. becasue all the shareholders has a right to know about the performance.
And next attmept of "Kamikase" is ready by your flyboyz...!isn't it? Try and see..!
Wait and see, when SLDF capturing the villages, "Parrots" in the villages start singing. These are the people who act as LTTE but against in mind. If you remember, most of the UNP'rs during '89 not aginst JVP openly. But when downfall started...intel started floodding...
["LTTE suffers biggest defeat in recent times at Vavunikulam- UPDATED"]
I hope our Minister of Tourism will keep a track of all these locations to show potential foreign / local tourists / students/ historians... who will definitely flock to Sri Lanka to see the remains of this empty struggle carried by a ruthless band of butchers who invented the suicide / bra / pantyhose bombing, cooked civilian flesh in buses and trains... and had the GOOD FORTUNE to have face to face NEGOTIATIONS with an elected government.
Truly classic VIOLENT drama...
These tourists will spend lot of money in our country. Plan to build facilities, musuems etc.
This is OUR TIME...
Editorial-The Island
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I love this paragraph.
"Prabhakaran has no one to blame for his woes but himself. He, blinded by hubris, caused the 2002 ceasefire to be abrogated. Like Icarus, he chose to fly too close to the sun which melted his waxen wings. He keeps flapping his bare arms, thinking he is still winged! "
Picture of Lt.Colonel Pallavan, or should I say stinking dead tiger
http://www.tamilnet.com/pic.html?path=/img/publish/2003/10/Charles_Anthony_1.jpg&width=1280&caption=Charles%20Antony%20special%20brigade%20deputy%20commander%20Lt.Colonel%20Pallavan%20hands%20over%20the%20first%20copy%20of%20the%20book%20to%20the%20mother%20of%20LTTE%20martyr%20Lt.Colonel%20Justin.
nice JOB JOC,
as I warned so many days ago. I did not stop until i got assurance that we got the better elements of these units asap.
now the job is not over. there are few more along the eastern flank
but i am now hearing that that they are retreating back in to the lagoons
NAVY better get a good grip and take out these units
it is time now to make a landing in the poonaryan axis and start the meat grinder against LTTE in Kili and Mulativu....
Hooooora! ooo!
thanks DW for the update.
shan,
yes. the harvest was bountiful thanks to DARING proactive moves by SLDFs.
Banu and Lakshman groups were protected with thier large weapons to retreat at the cost of the deputy commander and 55.
they sacrificed to allow the team get away. the question is where are they.
I know there was a group about 600 cadre there waiting for SLA.
but now about 100 of them are down
need to find thier next nesting place or plan of attack
this is my view;;; two regions they were planning to attack was the two road junctions vavunikulam and tinnukai areas
now since that plan went astray following DPUs who are now infesting LTTE area it is difficult to luanch surprise.
LTTE is fortifying mankulum and A9 rout all the way to 56th div and off the flank of task force 2
this leaves an opening to attack forces along the 56th and task force 2.
this is a concern as the front enveloping task force II is all jungle terrain and any attack needs to come from the jungle using light weapons.
the question is would LTTE risk this? (the repercussions would be to say...if they fail encirclment is a possibility)
Army has over 20,000 reserves to put up at any notice to the front! LTTE cant match that....
at one point or another LTTE needs to save its grace and lay thier weapons down and talk peace and cherish the products of it or...die and become history...
prabhakaran is now trying to leave the island....would a plane do the trick? or would he dare to use the sea route?
Mig29 when they come...would be harder for LTTE to breath any easier!
i said in DN,
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this is part of the battle in mallawi. if you look at the map,3.5km Southwest of Tunukkai where 4 MILs (which means a very serious affair) have attacked, is towards the western side of BOTH mallawi & vavunikulam.
if it was an LTTE initiated attack as defence.lk says (i have my doubts), then that means it was a flank attack by tigers to surround on all four sides our advancing troops in mallawi."
i didn't fully explore the OTHER possibility. if it was not an LTTE initiated attack, then that means we have boxed them from almost all four sides!!
amazing!! this may be one of the most daring operations we ever had and hints at how this war will be fought in future. charles anthony cadres would have expected a conventional FDL based war where they can inflict maximum casualties by their style of attacks. they would have had the shock of their miserable lives.
Good work by the army.
Nemesis
It is pretty easy to manufacture missile boats even with a small budget. Look at some of the small Iranian stealth missile boats.
"http://www.militaryphotos.net/
forums/showthread.php?t=129340"
Lets not forget about torpedo boats, here are pics of some Iranian stealth torpedo boats :
"http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/
showthread.php?t=69148"
Note: The semi submersible boat(3rd pic from the top), it must be a real bitch to pick it's radar signature in the high seas.
Iran seems to be building these small missile and torpedo boats because it is frightened of the US navy. The US navy is regularly carrying out exercises in the persian gulf.
Moshi,
Interesting analysis there.
You underestimated Sri Lankan forces didn't you?
Tigers were trapped, not the 57 division. It may have been part of the 57 if not for the brave acts of the commandos.
May the noble tripple gem bless our soldiers. Thunuruwan Saranai!
That was a good analysis MD. shows how daring and brave our soldiers are.
doesn't this stem from very high morale?
another red pl.
At last, pro-LTTE Tamil website decided to put this news.
DW
any updates on Charles Anthony unit that was'fighting for their lives'
Currently, one more team of Charles Anthony unit is trapped and fighting for their lives in this area. Sources told this site confidentially that this team will be annihilated within a few hours
GE,
You read my mind!!
I was just thinking about them and a few more new types!
nemesis
What do you think of that stealthy semi-submersible torpedo boat? A group of those coming to attack at high speed would be a handful for any corvette, frigate or destroyer out there. Heck! Even advanced fighter jets will have trouble destroying them from the sky.
When I first saw the picture of it, I was like "WOW!". You can see what kind of vicious potential it has just by looking at the picture.
Hey Hey,
It loooks like , that the new 53rd is the 57th :-)
GE,
That is a smashing idea indeed, our coastal belt can hid the very well,
but our boys must get guided torpedoes which could reach out about 15km or more (because each boat will probably only carry 2, they will have to be accurate and the crews should work like a Swiss watch)
A combination of small, ultra fast, stealthy torpedo/missile boats (possibly with something better than the C-701 with a range of about 30~50km would be ideal)
add to that a dozen FAC's and bigger vessels the navy has, some good sea mines and hopefully a few air launched ASM by the SLAF and we might have a future wreck warship graveyard Dive site which would be a great tourist attraction too :)..that’s if any navy would mess with little SL :p
At this rate Sarath Fonsekas boastful predictions will likely be fulfilled sooner than later.
'red bird' got obliterated by MBRLs( Going by the state of bodies).
SLA seems to have beaten ltte at its own game this time--surprise and audacity in tactics.
priyashanta,
no, i didn't underestimate SLDFs. i only didn't explore the other possibility well enough.
anyway this particular operation was UNUSUALLY daring. SLDFs have beaten tigers in their own soccer game.
Shan,
thanks mate. SLDFs will keep us entertained! better days ahead.
dayan jayatileka, some call him moshe dayan jayatileka (!!!), calls it "meat grinding".
[At this rate Sarath Fonsekas boastful predictions will likely be fulfilled sooner than later.
'red bird' got obliterated by MBRLs( Going by the state of bodies).
SLA seems to have beaten ltte at its own game this time--surprise and audacity in tactics.]
Sun,
How far LTTE will cope with the current losses? I believe LTTE lives in its past as they failed to adapt into current military conditions. They are in position which requires conventional warfare to stop the advancing troops, but it will be suicidal for them to get into SLA's own game.
I still believe SLA is short of manpower to control the Wanni but they can capture vital towns, even the Kili.
Well bhairav,
only VP knows the answer. It does seem like the end-game for the Tamil cause.One must remember, beyond a point an armed organisation crumbles from the tremendous pressure--it does not fight to the last battalions.How far is it to that point we know not.
The only point going in LTTEs favor,is, like you say, past history.History cannot save an organization though:
1.Towards end of Jayasikurui the LTTE seemed nearly obliterated, it was only retreating, the SLA was only advancing for past 1 year, the SLA was only a few miles apart from linking South and North Wanni columns, the LTTE was offering truces, the SLDF/media were predicting imminent demise of LTTE within months--in other words very similar to today-->then Bang!
2.VPs undoubted military genius (cannot say the same thing about his political acumen)
3.The discipline, commitment, tenacity and loyalty of LTTE fighters at all levels.
4.The undoubted support LTTE commands from large sections of Tamils at home and abroad(the support may be mostly of the type that you are .i.e. no second option since its LTTE or Sinhalese majoritarianism with no third option.)
[2.VPs undoubted military genius (cannot say the same thing about his political acumen)]
Sun,
You pot on! I would say his non-military skills are less than mediocre at best. Who would have thought second of half of this year explodes like this?
Ogre-
Interesing and thank you for those openions.
"57 Division and Special Forces to bypass LTTE camps and to station themselves to the rear of the enemy,"
Can you say how many attacked from the rear? This is not like infiltrating enemy lines by small teams for recon or any other such mission, but a large group managing to get behind them is something really surprising. LTTE defences must have been pretty poor in the area....
sorry, the earlier post should be addressed to Defencewire. But if anybody else can answer, it will be welcome. I guess this is not classified information?
Bhairav-
"At last, pro-LTTE Tamil website decided to put this news."
What's your honest openion about this war. Do n't you think it's better to surrender and save those lives would be good. Once that done, solution similer to East would be acceptable?
"LTTE defences must have been pretty poor in the area...."
The combined length of FDLs LTTE needs to man is approx 150kms.The 250,000 SLDF is advancing from all fronts.So LTTEs 5000 fighters(SFs latest fig) would have barely 30 cadres per km of FDL even if all cadres are presumed deployed.If some cadres are guarding installations, kept in reserves or stays in camps we can easily foresee large swathes of LTTE FDLs and territory absolutely free of LTTE activity.
So by default I would say the LTTE has done better than any other armed forces in current conflicts have done.That may not be enough to save it though.
STD,
OK, but we both know that 5000 figure is not the actual no. I'm not talking about numbers here. If they are true, your logical explanation would of course be true also. But that is not the case, otherwise army would be in killinochi now. Would it be possible for at least 30 men to cross a FDL by just walking past it? And they must have had some good defences in place in the area as it is in the path of 57's advance. This is more clear from the fact that Charles Antony brigade was deployed there. They knew that when 57th is going to come they will be coming through here, and would have done everything possible to stop it. But in spite of that this is the place that SLA managed to break through without them knowing it.
Ogre-
"I know there was a group about 600 cadre there waiting for SLA. "
If those figures / info are correct, those must be hardcore terrorists getting ready for the very last days.
Moreover if we get most of those out, game could be down to the last few overs?
Sun Tzu's :
See my comments
1. "Towards end of Jayasikurui..."
- Do you think SLDF not learnt a single lesson from "Jayasikuru"?
- How many of LTTE terrorists lead that OP still available?
- Even if they alive, Can they move freely without fear of DPU?
- Once a critical Karuna and East factors not in the equation.
- Assets of LTTE vs SLDF and their mobility.
- SLDF may be doing a new mistake this time..but not the old one.
2."VPs undoubted military genius.."
- Everyone one of Tera in the world is a Genius. See Bin Laden.. and atatck on twin towers..
- Your genius talent/imagination going to destruction. In both cases solution brought more missery to the people than the problem.
- yes He has good tera skills. But, it doesn't matter how good the captain is. You need a good team. And also captain need to bat well. Specially when other team plays well. Now can he even come to the ground?
3."The discipline, commitment.."
I dont know your military expereince.
But in the ground when everyone around you get killed and scream in pain...and you are not getting any support... You know enemey has more power..you getting same story all around from COM-Sets..
In that situation unless you are a Robot, any rationale man/woman broke. This may be true to SLDF and LTTE (with south asian inherrited emotions). Unfortunately now it is LTTEs turn to feel that
4."The undoubted support LTTE .."
- they supported for 30 years without a clear result.
- Now it is in next generation. Some of them not even touched North or speak tamil. How far can you inject the same story. you are losing the gravity of origins.
(it is same as if trying to tell now how many kiled by UNP in 89)
- Unilke in this blog, it is differnt story what people like Bahirav and Kuttu talk within thier community. They knwow the unfortunate truth..but support LTTE against the concisous.
- Now most of the young generation in North died or dying. And it is limited birth rate due to same reasons. So you need years to get same human resources as of early 1990.
people who realy like Tamils should come forward and propose a workable and acceptable solution (after this war!).
The question I always had is, what is the exclusive problem people in north has vs problems in South? (in the 21st centuray..not 1947)
Bahirav/Kuttu/Peter:
Can you explain me why VP's daughter having good summer fun in Ireleand while same age girls dying in the front....?
Bahirav:
You said "Wijeypala" as Pro-Sinhala. Are you Anti-Sinhala? If so, that is what the ethnic cleansing mindset.
We are pro-Sri Lankan Tamil but Extremely Anti-LTTE.
Hatred brings you nothing...!
Spot on MD
All Sri Lankans are Sri Lankans, we should be proud of our Nation and be Sri Lankan Nationalists. One Flag One Anthem and One Nation where all live in Harmony
Great news. Hope the success continues.
One another note, can you believe these complaints from the opposition?
http://www.colombopage.com/archive_08/July25190625JR.html
Tightening mobile phone registration should have been done a long time ago. I think the government should go further in tracing the movement of mobile phones using statistical methods to detect suspicious movements.
US and allies track all digital communications, we should do what we can with the available technology.
Very well said Moshe about Racism and Nationalism ! Hats off for that !
It seems we have a very good discussion in DW now. Thanks everyone including single,ogre,md, bhairav and sun tsu and others for contributing.
Lets keep this going putting Sri Lanka first not Sinhala racism or tamil racism !
Even after LTTE is beaten ride for SLDF will not be easy as we have to ensure that terrorism will not emerge forever in Sri Lanka. The job of the diplomats abroad will also not be easy as they have to ensure that extrimists do not raise money for future terrorist causes.
Send Pullaivan body to Vanni quickly. Its nice to see LTTE funerals and I would be curious who attends.
Single,
“The question I always had is, what is the exclusive problem people in north has vs problems in South? (in the 21st centuray..not 1947)”
Very well said! I’ve also been saying this for a while. Poor people in Sri Lanka are discriminated against but those who have wealth & power on a daily basis irrespective or race, religion, gender or caste!
I don’t see any difference between the rights of a poor road sweeper in Colombo who probably also sleeps on the road to that of a poor person in Jaffna!
We need to change the whole mindset about politics in Sri Lanka. Corruption needs to be sorted out as it is not a small matter anymore (Berty Dissanayake building a tourist hotel on 13 acres of protected land on the edge of Kalawewa is the latest example!!).
Moshe Dyan,
Spot on mate!
Patriots,
From a close friend of mine I heard the following..
There are many injured SLA men in need of neccessities at Kalubowila hospital.
Please help them with anything you can to bring them back to normal lives.
According to the PM, every month 400 men and women get disabled due to the current war situation in Sri Lanka.
One of previous blogs Peter said that : it is becasue of LTTE that No more "black july". So it means that Sinhalese in south scared of LTTE...?
Just send an innocent Tamil person and LTTE cardre (both marked with lables)to Pettah or any city and see what will happen?
even before 83, Sinahlese know the difference between cats and tigers. What we are learning now is who are wolves and dogs..when we finish that, no more vultures will be left to cleanup tiger's leftovers
guys,
yes; we MUST put this fire out. EVERY JULY & NOVEMBER LTTE pours more petrol into it and keeps it burning.
sinhala racists have emptied their bloody pockets full of weapons they carried to harm tamils. they leant the lesson. NOW it is time tamils MUST ALSO follow suit.
tamil elam, tamil grievences, tamil aspirations, tamil right of self-determination (self-termination??), tamil nationality (racism), tamil homelands, tamil liberation, tamil speaking, tamil discrimination, etc. (called "root causes") are all complete trash that fuels the fire year after year. when this fire dies away, tamils will be safer than anyone else!!
if on the other hand it spreads to muslims in the east, that will become another cancer, may be a terminal one.
like someone said, our KING KAEKILLES have gone in search of root causes of root causes and have come up with the MOST ABSURD judgements that eventaully killed UNRELATED INNOCENT PPL!!!
our politicos ALWAYS put the cart b4 the horse and try to GIVE INTO above demands without finishing off the tigers who are PANDERING the fire. now we have corrected it and many tamils are FORCED to critically look at their "liberators" than ever b4.
VERY INTERESTINGLY alfred duraiappah (a comepletely innocent christian married to a hindu. he was waiting for his wife and family to pray inside the temple) was killed in complete cold blood on july 27. LTTE's BLACK JULY 'celebrations' totally suppressed this PIONEERING TERRORIST event that took place SIX YEARS BEFORE 1983!!!
who r they fooling????
as you know i LOVE "harvesting" terrorists. but civilians in the north must be protected. now they are forced to shield tigers. we must kill these canibals totally to save the civilians. there is another group of wolves in sheep cloths who want to cunningly favour the LTTE by GENTLY & INNOCENTLY disrupting the SLDF war machine. they also must be resisted.
if anyone had visited this,
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=26412
you will notice the number plate of the tractor "29 SRI 7696". although this "SRI" is a uniquely sri lankan fart, the fact that these ppl carry it in their tractor in DEEP VANNI 19 years after it was dropped in rest of SL, DEMANDS the question, "who fought/killed/burnt over it?".
even being a member of a minute minority of sri lankans, that sight choked me; can only imagine how BAD & SAD the majority would have felt bcos unlike the supporters of barbarians, they (the SL majority) have a heart.
1. lets kill all the tigers.
2. lets DISREGARD ALL race/racism-based demands (however innocent they look)
and see if we can live happily than now. i bet we can. bcos we have lived that way for fcuking centuries and STILL we live in the SAME ADDRESS without any problem.
glad to see we are BEGINING to understand that PEACE is NOT a variable of allowing RACE/RACISM-BASED DEMANDS.
"lets DISREGARD ALL race/racism-based demands (however innocent they look)"
If anyone wants a live exmaple..it is Murali and Mendis bowling from two ends for the same objective... Nice combination..it works well backed by a good team.
That is all need to beat others n Asia.
BTW : for more seruous folks...,I am not trying to simplyfy politics to sport..!
LNP blogger stopterro to Specialforce...
SF dont again post new tactical information, but i think it is good you are holding back
in the meantime LTTE's strike force that was supposed to hit SLA task for 1 and 57 Div, is now in shatters. A total of 600 cadre were split by the attack one group has now retreated towards mankulum and the other towards tinnukal or west of mallavi.
LTTE has now withdrawn the larger guns north of mulativu.
my guess is they will eventually plan to attak walioya sector (59 div) through the rear. I think that front has be enforced from behind which i think SF is already considering
the other issue is finding prabhakaran, killing him is not an option but capturing him alive and making him accountable for all the atrocities commited would be better.
god speed SF----
Also a fresh insertion from 61? total of another 5000 air dropped prior to this attack...
This was not an attack initiated by LTTE, but a brillient tactical manuver by SLA.
More of these to come...
guys check this out....
its about a book written by an escaped child LTTE soldier.
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080709_04
Moshe, well said buddy.
Single said...
Bahirav/Kuttu/Peter:
Can you explain me why VP's daughter having good summer fun in Ireleand while same age girls dying in the front....?
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where is the son of King Mahide & so many other sinhalas ?
so shut the fu** up
tamils can go abroad not just sinhalas
according to new info
sinhala army taking hits....
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Operation "red bird" continues
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even defence.lk is accepting that many sinhala super robocop troops have "laid down their lives"
Terrorism expected to be high on agenda of SAARC summit
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These great victories didn't come overnight. When the vanni liberation started it was from the scratch. The same forces had to go so much of difficulties initially. And it also became a good rehearsing ground for them. Now they are moving at a rapid speed.
the credit should go to the CO's very much. 57,58,59 and 61 all are in good safe hands. They have shown brilliance and boldness in their approach, which we could not see in earlier occasions. And to cap it off MR,GR and SF combination has made our forces ruthless and deadly for the sub human tigers..
May the force be with our SLDF!!
Its good to note all three forces combining well in the last few battles, specially in the seas..
[What's your honest openion about this war. Do n't you think it's better to surrender and save those lives would be good. Once that done, solution similer to East would be acceptable?]
Perein,
As a Tamil, I see any solutions which are less than North-East combined federal solutions won't be accepted in any Tamil community.
Sinhala genes have mood swings problems, today they will act like good friends, next day they will burn us in bed.
I would like to see Tamils fight to death until they get satisfactory solutions which can be North-East combined federal solutions or Tamil Separate land.
Bhairav,
Its good to see you in this mood, Do you think a Provincial council with wide ranging powers like police, judiciary and run its own economy should please the minorities, I mean both Tamils and Muslims
Bhairav,
A separate homeland will never going to happen,
What do you think the 3D solution as mentioned in some article??
[Its good to see you in this mood, Do you think a Provincial council with wide ranging powers like police, judiciary and run its own economy should please the minorities, I mean both Tamils and Muslims]
Riyaz,
Tamils were majority prior to this 3 decades civil war in East. Once you get rid of 2M+ Tamils from North-East, you can not claim that East's majority is Muslims. What I see Tamils learned the lesson from majority why they fought for, so that they will treat Muslims equally once things stabilizes in East.
I prefer North-East combined federal solutions than the one you mentioned on your post.
We are not for devolving police and land powers.
Bhairav,
"I would like to see Tamils fight to death until they get satisfactory solutions which can be North-East combined federal solutions or Tamil Separate land."
Do you as a Tamil plan to fight to the death, or do you prefer another Tamil (maybe lower caste or Vanni Tamil) to fight to the death on your behalf?
[Do you as a Tamil plan to fight to the death, or do you prefer another Tamil (maybe lower caste or Vanni Tamil) to fight to the death on your behalf?]
Wijayapala,
Some of my relatives fought and died for this cause. When our women are at front-lines, what our guys have to do at home?
We are not for devolving police and land powers= lameduck 'CM'Pillaiyan.
Then the insurgency
will never end, as security( police) and land is the most basic of human needs. What is to convince Tamils that they wont be picked up for execution at random( happening now) and their lands settled legally by Sinhalese sqatters( happening for decades)?
I really dont see the basis for the paranoia
Where did some people get this idea of a combined North-East homeland? It is a hoax created by Tamil racists without any historical basis - the East was never under any ruler from the North. In fact even the concept of the North and East provinces were created by the British just based on Geography. So Bhairav, keep dreaming. North-East combination and Federal solution were options when spineless cowards ruled Sri Lanka - not any more. There will be one country with equal rights and opportunities for all races.
Where did some people get this idea of a Unitary Sri Lanka? It is a hoax created by Sinhala racists without any historical basis - the North was never continuosly under rule from the South. In fact even the concept Sri Lanka were created by the British just based on political expediency. So Bhairav, keep dreaming. North-East demerger and Unitary solution were options when Tamils were spineless cowards - not any more. There will be two country with equal rights and opportunities for all races.
* If the civil war has to end permanently, rhetoric has to take a back seat and practcality become the driver.
STD
"If the civil war has to end permanently, rhetoric has to take a back seat and practcality become the driver."
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I got news for you, this rhetoric will not take a back seat in with community in the forseable future.
I can see you clearly understand the Tamil psyche, but what you fail to understand is the Sinhalese psyche.
You see for most of its history Lanka was ruled by a Sinhalese kingdom and several regional Sinhalese sub kingdoms. We faced constant invasions from South India. It was only in the 13th century that the Tamils established their first PERMANENT kingdom in the Island with the help of a Malay prince. There are many Sinhalese who still view this as a 600 year long theft of shinhala land. These historical events helped shape the Sinhalese psyche to be more wary of Tamils than vice versa.
Then came the British who gave preferential treatments to Tamils over the Sinhalese. This coupled with the pre-existing "theft of Sinhala land" mindset made many Sinhalese look at Tamils as a swarm of pests that have befallen on their island. This is where Sinhala extremism(racism) is born a major way. It became a visible undercurrent in Sinhalese society.
Then after independance came the Chelvanayakam(Tamil centric) episode. He was the very embodiment of what the Sinhalese(mainstream and extremists) hated so much about the Tamils. Chelvanayakam who was raised in a Lanka where Tamils had more status than the Sinhalese, could not imagine a democracy where Tamils, a numerical minority, had to play second fiddle to the majority Sinhalese. Democracy became Chelvanayakam's worst enemy.
If there is one man who is more responsible than VP for the plight that is awaiting the Tamil people in Sri Lanka, it is Chelvanayakam. He sowed the seeds and set the stage for extreme Tamil nationalism which in turn gave birth to Tamil extremism and its most pominent practioner..VP.
GE,
I dont know if there is such a thing as a ' sinhala' or 'tamil' psyche.It sounds quite simplistic.
If there is one,and what you say is true, you just proved that the problem is with the Sinhalese not willing to accept Tamils as they are rather than the other way round!
600 years is a looog time for nationbuilding!!
Singapore is 40+, USA 200+
STD
"I dont know if there is such a thing as a ' sinhala' or 'tamil' psyche.It sounds quite simplistic.
If there is one,and what you say is true, you just proved that the problem is with the Sinhalese not willing to accept Tamils as they are rather than the other way round!
600 years is a looog time for nationbuilding!!
Singapore is 40+, USA 200+"
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Understand that I am talking in a historical context. Trust me, the "Tamil psyche" and "Sinhala psyche" are real. All you need to do is interact in Lankan society.
The problem is not with just Sinhalese, but both sides. If you understand history, you will know that the Sinhalese have been playing defence and the Tamils have been playing offence. This has greatly helped form the Sinhalese psyche, it would also be true if the situation was historically reversed.
Under the British, obout 4 generations of Tamils grew up thinking themselves as inheritably of a higher social status than the Sinhala masses. I don't blame them for that, they were socially conditioned from childhood to be that way because of the British laws at the time. The Sinhalese not only had to lick the excrements off the boots of the British but they had to bow down to the Tamils as well. This humiliation was not forgotton by the Sinhalese. So when the British left a clash between these two lines of thoughts was inevitable. RAW only had to gently push Tamil nationalism which was at the edge of the cliff to make it fall over and become Tamil extremism
Also important to remember is that the fiercely independant nature of the Sinhalese was formed because of the constant threats they faced from the outside. The British just simply dismissed this as lazyness.
Now I fully undertand that the Tamils today must not be mistreated for what happened in the past. But actions and words of Tamil nationalists flamed the sleeping emotions of the Sinhalese in the middle of the last century.
In the last 15 years these volatile emotions have started to die down as the Sinhalese deep down started to realise that the Eelam was not going to be formed.
GE,
The points you made are debatable and subjective. Nobody can prove nor disprove it.
But these points are said to be subjective:
1.When Sinhalese exiles came to Lanka first(400BCE?)they got their wives from a Tamil Kingdom just over the horizon(Mahavamsa).
2.The body of water (palk strait)then was said to be more shallower too, so we can presume Tamils would be familiar with SL, if not already settled by the time Sinhalese exiles arrived.
3.Elara Tamil king supposedly ruled a northern kingdom circa200BCE. That guarantees plenty of Tamils in SL were there in 200BCE.
4.You say independent Tamil kingdoms were present 13th Century onwards (ie 800 years back).
5.The portuguese recorded separate Tamil and Sinhalese kingdoms in 16th century ACE.
6.Tamils got disproportionately high representation in British administration because of their willingness to learn English, not because English laws favored them like you say( I am familiar with Chinese being hounded in a similar manner in SEA by locals).
So I take it that Tamil ' Nationalism' was an established fact 2000 years back, if not earlier.
So you deduce what that means(as I dont want to engage in a flame war).
STD
1) Yes they did have wives from south India, but they by themselves did not form the Sinhala population. More waves of immgrants came from North East and East India after Vijay made contact with his homeland after landing in Lanka, ithey were most likely dissidents, merchants those seeking new opportunities.
2)Some historians say it was shallower while others say it was not, its upto the individual to decide what to believe. The sea going Indonesians did not find Australia for all those centuries even though it was right in their backyard. One thing is for sure, Vijay found and made contact with Veddahs(yakshas) tribes on the island and he and some of his men married into them. There is no mention of finding or encountering "damilas" on the island.
3) Elara ruling Lanka does not in any way guarantee that Tamils were the majority. He was an invader with a Tamil army who kicked out the ruling king, some of the Sinhalese later joined him because of the shift in fortunes plus he was a kind ruler. William the Conquerer with his Norman(french) army invaded England and ruled it. Does that mean that the majority of the people in England were French? NO. The Mongols conquered and ruled North India, does that mean that the majority of the people in North India were Mongols? HELL NO.
4) True, this is backed by archeological evidence as well as scripture.
5) True, Jaffna kingdom was already established by then. Even though just 27 years before the Portuguese landed the Island was under the full control a Sinhala king.
6) True and not only that, they were also less stubborn than the Sinhalese. Many British noted this.
Nationalism(Sinhala or Tamil) could not have existed without nation states. Asia only had kingdoms. This is not to say that there was no mistrust between the races.
STD
"The points you made are debatable and subjective. Nobody can prove nor disprove it."
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There is no concrete or solid proof. This is not a crime scene investigation. No smoking gu to e found.
But if you want to see if these repective psyches exist, just talk to average Sinhalese and Tamils about this conflict. Pretend that you are one of them, so that they will reveal what they truly think and how they think about of this conflict. Pay close attention to their wording.
GE'
1.This point was to illustrate the fallacy of ' our land' mentality shown by Sinhalese bloggers here.It was not meant specifically 4 you:)
2.Scientists say all seas were shallower than today, not historians.The reason being thicker ice-caps in poles.
Its not the same as Indonesia and OZ!! The Indian coast is swimmable distance from SL, and Tamils were an ocean-faring race!
Again my point was 4 illustration.
3.Nowhere I said Tamils were a majority in SL!!
I implied they were already having nation-states in 200BCE so you cant blame VP or RAW for Tamil Nationalism.Mahavamsa apparently mentions 32 Tamil states which Elara defeated, so I dont buy they were all invaders( even if Elara was).
"Pretend that you are one of them"
Sorry bro, I am a 'yellow' man that wont succeed;))
But thank you for the fruitful discussion.
STD
1) If it is a fallacy, how come only Yakshas(veddhas) are mentioned when Vijay and co landed? Why no "Damilas"? Where is the archeological evidence of Tamil settlements that are 2500 years old? Even old Tamil scriptures mention the Vijay story.
2) My point was not about swimming distance. I am saying that some times when there is no pressure to find new pastures, closebynew pastures can go undetected for a long time. Thats why I used the Indonesian example.
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"Sorry bro, I am a 'yellow' man that wont succeed;))"
Somehow I doubt that. Funny eh?
"Somehow I doubt that. Funny eh?"
I am used to it by now, no sweat.
sun tzu
Its fun talking with you. Good discussion. I could not have had this discussion with an Eelamist because they will start spewing out the LTTE propaganda. They are fully emersed in that. Nothing can their mind or shall I say "psyche". LOL!
GoldenEagle & STD
Sorry to butt in, but here’s what I think….
Nobody should try to have exclusive rights to whole of Sri Lanka or a part of it, this is a futile exercise. If you one race says that it is their own land, then one can argue that both Sinhala & Tamil races are visitors to the island. The island belongs to its original inhabitors. So, both races need to get real and understand the fact that Sri Lanka belongs to both.
600 years is a long time. Once somebody lives on a piece of land for that long, they have a right to call that piece of land their own.
Few things need to happen if we are to have peace in Sri Lanka:
1. We need to wipe out LTTE
2. Tamils should drop the chip that they are carrying on their shoulders and drop the demand for a separate homeland, this is impractical and will never happen
3. Sinhalese should get rid of this idea that Sri Lanka belongs to them and only to them and that Tamils are just visitors
4. For 2 & 3 to happen, we need a good political solution that pleases majority of all ethnicities and a government with a long term vision
The political solution needs devolve enough power (including police). However, as we are just coming out of a 30 year war, the army has to maintain a fairly strong presence in both North & East.
We are well on our way to achieving the first goal.
Building bridges and bringing the two communities closer together is the hard part, it will take many years.
However, there’s a bunch of fat ugly pigs that stand in our way…these are those so called “parliamentarians”. I see them as leeches who are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.
Something needs to change drastically if we are going to find lasting peace. If the system can’t be cleaned up then the consequences will be severe. We will win the war today but it will start again 10 – 15 years, you can bet your life on that!
Parakarama
"If you one race says that it is their own land, then one can argue that both Sinhala & Tamil races are visitors to the island. The island belongs to its original inhabitors. So, both races need to get real and understand the fact that Sri Lanka belongs to both."
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I agree 100%.
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