LTTE casualties over 100. 18 SLA also killed. Army collects pieces of LTTE remains in sacks.
LTTE casualties in the Vavunikulam battle is over 100 killed and at least another 100 injured, sources in the Army confirmed to DefenceWire a few hours ago. After this battle, Tiger leaders have been requesting their cadres not to engage in and further fighting with the Security Forces saying that they have now 'reverted back to a unilateral cease-fire'.The number of LTTE casualties has increased after mop-up operations to route a remaining team following the two main confrontations at Vaunikulam, namely for the bund and against a retaliatory attack to save trapped Charles Anthony units. The Sri Lanka Army lost 18 men, including a junior officer.
The Deputy Leader of the Charles Anthony unit, named Pallavan, was a very prominent leader in the LTTE involved in defending Thoppigala alongside 'Col.' Jeyam and a team of LTTE's 'Special Forces'. Pallavan is an eastern cadre, whose loyalty to the LTTE leader was so high that he was given the reins of Charles Anthony unit, which comprises of mainly northern cadres.
Meanwhile SLA clearing operations south of Mallavi have amassed several sacks of hands, fingers and limbs of dead tigers, whose corpses have been reduced to rubble in Thursday's firefight. Large blood stains are visible in dry patches of earth. The stench of the rotting corpses has attracted wild carnivorous animals. Field Commanders confirmed that at this rate, the Army will be able to reach Kilinochchi within the next three months.
Meanwhile troops from 4 Special Forces last afternoon ambushed a tractor load of Tigers Northwest of Weli Oya. The exact number of LTTE casualties is not clear. The Navy, after a long silence on Thursday ventured into LTTE controlled areas south of Mulaithivu and engaged an LTTE boat movement using small teams of the Special Boat Squadron, Dvora FACs and a Fast Missile Cruiser. Navy confirmed 3 boats out of 10 were completely destroyed along with the crew.
128 comments:
DW,
If LTTEers were boxed in Mallavi, how come 18 SLA lost their lives?
Hey kuttu was right then??
He gave the exact same number of SLA casualties!
Bhairav,
Aw so LTTE being boxed in somehow makes the Army bullet-proof? Is this box around the LTTE men or concrete?
I guess this is what kuttu was talking about at earlier thread!.. Red Birdy.. Lol! Guess the red bird's pieces been collected to bags now!..
I would say, for an inferior force who were surprised, surrounded, outnumbered, outgunned and MBRLed (pieces only left), it was not a bad performance.
The most commendable aspect during this fiasco would be their discipline.
Let the animals fill their stomachs .... LTTE terrorists flesh will at least doused the hunger of an wild animal...
in the mean time...LTTE moving out of malavi and now their alamo is Mankulam junction...with hope of facing SLA down in a L shape pattern from kili and A34
remember we need to secure poonaryn as well, need 10K for that and another 30 k for the rest of operations to secure it down,.
panhinda,
look at the mirror will you?
I know you are trying to provoke me , I am not that dim you know:)
Take a shot at Kuttu I suggest;)
Believe me, kuttu is more intelligent than most ' patriots' here-->knowing well their bloated egos and brittle complexes, he acts like a buffoon to expose their true racist colors:))
Panhinda,
see what I meant?Even without me trying you exposed your own casteist-racist beliefs for all to see:))
* Ok this question is for non-racist, non-loony Sinhalese ( eg Wijayapala):
Why does Brian Senewiratne support Tamil Liberation movement??
Is it from his conscience or is he a Sinhalese version of Devananda/Kadirgamar?
( ' Brainwashed' does not seem to be the answer here)
Panhinda,
read the rider again "non-racist, non-loony Sinhalese ( eg Wijayapala)"
For others: I am asking for his actual reasons since I dont know.I am neither making, nor asking for, a load of empty racist rhetoric.
tipping point is here....
"Imagine if he did what he did and he was a Tamil. He would be dead by now."
Are you talking about the thousands of Tamil civilians that Sinhalese bloggers here regularly relate with great rejoicing to have been executed by(sic) Chopper rides ( i.e. dropping a living human tied down with a weight into the sea from a flying chopper), White van rides (Military death squad vans), Unmarked graves( ie incognito mass graves) etc etc.
As one of the bloggers who hounds( or keeps mum) moderate Sinhalese bloggers here with all sorts of derogatory names you surely are not an example of Sinhalese tolerance!
Any Sinhalese with a modicum of self-respect wont point fingers at Tamils (or vice-versa), because both sides have crossed the border into Medieval barbarism long back.
Ok I wont waste my breath any longer, thats final.
Those who died are imortal, they shall live in our hearts and minds for ever.
even with losses the out come is indicating that the tigers have begun to crumble faster, and that their tactical leadership is falling like theier stratg. one.
Weldone 57th, carry on! jayasri
Defencewire
I am no military expert or analyst, but I assume, looking at the map, the 57th will march on Mankulum, 59th will continue with their jungle warfare, and on the jaffna front troops will maintain pressure on muhumale and Kilaly, preventing the LTTE from diverting cadres south?
If (or when rather) the 57th capture Mankulum, a large number of LTTE cadres will be boxed in from Mankulum to Omantai, boxed in by all sides, by the 57th, TF2, the 56th and the 59th?
Any idea how many LTTE cadres could be within this area?
I guess it is unlikely the TF1 will attempt a march to Pooneryn (unless backed by a sea based assault from Vidalthivu and possible the Jaffna pennisular)?
Either way I think the LTTE will lose muluthiv and attempt to withdraw cadres from Weli Oya, who are in danger of getting encircled.
The final battle will be Killinochi, but all going well they will be getting hit from every single direction.
Hope the SLAF start some serious softening up in Mankulum and Muluthiv, and the SLN do the same at Muluthiv on the east and pooneryn on the west.
House of LTTE cards....will come crashing down soon. Can't wait
Bhairav-
From ealier article ...
Perein,
As a Tamil, I see any solutions which are less than North-East combined federal solutions won't be accepted in any Tamil community.
Sinhala genes have mood swings problems, today they will act like good friends, next day they will burn us in bed.
I would like to see Tamils fight to death until they get satisfactory solutions which can be North-East combined federal solutions or Tamil Separate land.
Thank you for the reply.
Simply do not undestand your mentality. Time to time you sounds some one who think slightly out side the box compared to other terror supporters.
Do n't you think it's time to end this war, like most of the tamils in wants?
By now every one in Sri Lanka has learnt the lessons in bad way. There is no winners or loosers. Why do n't we simply work together and stop loosing more!!!
Can you also justify, how comes Praba's daughter still safely living in Ireland?
DW
great update
thanks
Malavi can fall within the next few days
:)
"As a sign of this goodwill, our movement is glad to inform that it will observe a unilateral ceasefire that is devoid of military actions during the period of the SAARC conference from 26th July to 4th August and give our cooperation for the success of the conference. At the same time if the occupying Sinhala forces, disrespecting our goodwill gesture of our people and our nation, carry out any offensives, our movement will be forced to take defensive actions."
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=26411
STD says:
"Where did some people get this idea of a Unitary Sri Lanka? It is a hoax created by Sinhala racists without any historical basis - the North was never continuosly under rule from the South."
Key word continuously - so the historical basis should be obvious to anyone with some intelligence. When was the area covered by the Eastern province part of a mythical Tamil homeland?
" In fact even the concept Sri Lanka were created by the British just based on political expediency. "
No, the British did not create Sri Lanka.. Ceylon came from Seylan (get it? historical basis?). Try your imaginative interpretation of history with India.
"So Bhairav, keep dreaming. North-East demerger and Unitary solution were options when Tamils were spineless cowards - not any more. There will be two country with equal rights and opportunities for all races."
Err Bhairav is hoping.. you are dreaming :-D
India said “CEPA or interference?”
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DW, At the moment we can only see some limited actions from the TF2 (Palamoddaikulam area or A9 road's west flank). Why is that? Is that because of humanitarian reasons? (getting disturb the essential supplies) Or are they waiting for the right time?
[Simply do not undestand your mentality. Time to time you sounds some one who think slightly out side the box compared to other terror supporters.]
Perein,
I never said that I do not support Tamil cause, but I always skeptical of LTTE hierarchy. There should be no escape route for LTTE hierarchy in the face of defeat, all should stay and fight to death. I have already lost the respect in VP who gave us macho talk in his last Maveerar day, and I won't listen to his next speech unless they turn the tides in our favor.
Lankapura,
My post was a mockery of your post.Both are part truth, part fiction and all rhetoric:-)
Relax.
[Aw so LTTE being boxed in somehow makes the Army bullet-proof? Is this box around the LTTE men or concrete?]
DW,
If LTTEers were boxed, I give you acceptable ratio for losing your men.
10 LTTE - 1 SLA
20 LTTE - 1.5 SLA
30 LTTE - 3 SLA
40 LTTE - 4 SLA
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100 LTTE - 10 SLA, but you guys lost 18 men which is not acceptable for the term "LTTE were boxed".
100 : 18 = almost it is 5 : 1 ratio.
This means LTTE fought fiercely even though they were boxed.
India pressurizes Rajapakse Govt. to stop operations during SAARC summit! – Sunday Lanka
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DW
Some military reported 'Nithyaikulam' weva was captured. But defence.lk or other local media didn't give publicity to this. As I know if captured this opens the roads to both Nedunkarni and Oddusudan, as I know. Any comments/ updates on Welioya front?
BTW, we heard some time ago 'fierce battles are yet to be fought in wanni'. And I think now it has started.
During training , LTTE leadership always makes a point to the cadres that they must kill atleast 10 army before dying.
This was funny as a cadre I know remarked in front of everyone whether the army is coming with a "villaku ma" or broomstick.
It seems that the reverse is happening so all good for SLA.
To be able to capture a 120mm mortar and kill many Charles Anthony brigade is a big acheivement, no doubt Prabhakaran will be demoting many Lt colonels and sending them to die in the front line for this debacle.
bhairav-
100 LTTE - 10 SLA, but you guys lost 18 men which is not acceptable for the term "LTTE were boxed".
100 : 18 = almost it is 5 : 1 ratio.
This means LTTE fought fiercely even though they were boxed.
Get a life man. You have totaly lost it now.
EXCELLENT WORK MA BOYS!!!KEEP IT UP-MASSACRE ALL DA TAMIL TIGER MF'S...MAINTAIN THIS STRATEGY AND MINIMISE SLA CASUALTIES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...PEACE OUT..
[During training , LTTE leadership always makes a point to the cadres that they must kill atleast 10 army before dying.
This was funny as a cadre I know remarked in front of everyone whether the army is coming with a "villaku ma" or broomstick.
It seems that the reverse is happening so all good for SLA.]
Kattikudupan,
It tells your character. If you position yourself well enough in an organization, you can make differences in any battle scene- it's all about how you believe in yourself. Obviously you are weakling for the org.
I left SL 19 years ago, but I do not think that I would have joined LTTE even if I had lived all these years in SL for some obvious reasons.
1. I do not like the filth culture in LTTE where no one talks decently.
2. I do not have the hatred to kill fellow human beings. You can argue here that you take arms to protect your own people, but you can not avoid the killing part.
3. If you survive enough to stay few more years, it will be too much jealousy part when you go through the ladder in LTTE hierarchy.
may be I'm good for LTTE's auxiliary force. LOL!
Bhairav,
OF the 18 troops that died how many do you think died due to mines?
[OF the 18 troops that died how many do you think died due to mines?]
srilankan,
Not as much as you think. In most case they lose their legs and get injured.
STD, I am relaxed.. Tigers getting thumped, so very relaxed.
Glad you agree that asking for a combined North-East in a Federal solution is just rhetoric :-)
important message to sinhala government/army
don't wake up the tigers..
'I left SL 19 years ago, but I do not think that I would have joined LTTE even if I had lived all these years in SL for some obvious reasons.'
Bhairav - do you think you would have had a choice in the matter if you we still there?
On a different note, you seem a realist and not a blind, unquestioning follower of the LTTE (like most of the other eelamists). Do you think this is the beginning of the end for Prabakaran?
Going on the basis of indian delegations demand for the head of Pottu (at least) to Sampanathan, (which will never happen, as Velu would be incriminated with even further evidence, and the fact that they will never hand him in), are there any other alternate leaders in the LTTE, who would be palatable to India?
Perhaps tamilselvam if he had lived, or Balaraj who appeared to have been respected within his own community.
Any other second tier LTTE leaders, who can take up the mantle and transform it to a political movement?
Once the LTTEs military capability is destroyed, I think the Tamil political parties will fragment and divide further, the first casualty being the TNA, which is held together by the fear of the LTTE.
It is a pity worthy individuals such as Loganthan, Tiruchelvam or Amirthalingam who could have provided good leadership were killed.
Tamils really have shot themselves in the foot by backing Velu and killing of any possible decent leadership.
Now you are left with Devananda and Pilliyan....
bhairav
War is not a mathmatical algorithm.
bhavir, another old tamil man disgusted by the war and hatred because he had to leave SL long time a go. And now the young generation of sri lankans knows the truth and will fight to protect the country to keep it as one from invaders, tamil terrorists and anyone else who is trying to divide such a small country. with this whole war for the past 30yrs..there are significantly LESS tamils left and their future generation looks dim as lot of the younger generation was skilled :)
Very happy today, very very happy!
hehehe, bhavir can lick sinhalese balls now..mmm yum yum..and die as a man who lost in the end and continue as a tamil terrorist supporting loser.
Did I say "skilled", I meant Killed!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
word of caution for tamils,
don't wake up the lion!
kuttu,puttu,suttu,luttu
tracing his ip, getting near to his destination. credit card info goes straight to africa for another tamil to clone.
kuttu,puttu,suttu,luttu
white vans, here they come.
Cakeboy,
Man great points..Hope DW will answer...
Hey Kuttu,
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.....PUKA THMAYI!!!!!
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FYI,
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/12423
Bhairav,
Interesting math. Don't even want to waste time thinking about an answer for that.
[Bhairav - do you think you would have had a choice in the matter if you we still there?
On a different note, you seem a realist and not a blind, unquestioning follower of the LTTE (like most of the other eelamists). Do you think this is the beginning of the end for Prabakaran? ]
Cakewalk,
Until VP delivers the end product, he will be under microscope. Whatever LTTE achieved up to this point become null if they can not deliver it- that means VP will go from hero to zero in overnight. Next 4 months will become real turning point of this conflict for either party.
[important message to sinhala government/army
don't wake up the tigers.. ]
LOL!
According to defence analyst, Vanniyan, who says when the SLA moves in A32 highway, the battle between Pali river and Paranki river will define the outcome of Eelam war IV.
One Country...One Flag latest video @ Ground Zero Lanka
www[.]groundzerolanka[.]blogspot[.]com
we have reached the "meat grinding" stage of the war. future battles are likely to kill more and more tigers (possibly more SLA as well).
MOST tigers have been chased away into deep tiger territory, a fewer percentage killed. now the trapped tigers have no where to run and falls into the meat grinding machine.
there shuld be a way to release trapped civilians. i recon this will be a priority for SLDFs in coming months.
tigers jaffna ambitions seems to have died down SUDDENLY!!
i don't believe in getting the control of the area between paliaru and parangi aru DIRECTLY. SLA can continue their BOX strategy without any undeue hassle.
there seems to be some simiarities between what the SLA is following there with the strategy they followed in madhu.
intersting to see what tigers in poonaryn will do next!!
Defencewire,
"troops from 4 Special Forces last afternoon ambushed a tractor load of Tigers Northwest of Weli Oya"
I didn't know 4th SF was now active in battle. I heard 4th SF and 4th Commando were going to be established but I thought they were still in training. Is the 4th Commando also active then?
i think goverment is responding to ltte ceasefire. no incident reported yesterday in defence.lk.
"bhairav-
100 LTTE - 10 SLA, but you guys lost 18 men which is not acceptable for the term "LTTE were boxed".
100 : 18 = almost it is 5 : 1 ratio.
This means LTTE fought fiercely even though they were boxed."
Actually the correct wording is they fought desperately to save their ass till reinforcements coming.
Moshe D,
Pl dont bring quasi-racist debates from DN into DW;
That one carried pics of the mutilated bodies of LTTE and Fernandopulle in its website, and the other didnt is proof of the difference between mature and juvenile journalism.
The best candidate for preaching your atrocious theories of handling the dead would be the wives and parents of dead SLA whose mutilated pics were splashed on TN, or who went MIA.I can guarantee you they will give you a resounding kick in you ***.
STD,
don't bring in bankrupt RACIST allegations. for a RACIST, the whole world is racist.
this is WAR and there is logic in warfare. i make these points by being PROPERLY QUALIFIED in the theory of warfare not like half knowledged idiots.
there are worse things than dead bodies that are on display!!
e.g. surrender in the name of "peace" by pansy ranil.
however, nowhere i promoted "displaying" dead bodies if you read what i wrote without wearing a RACE-based spectacle.
no updates on defence.lk ?
ceasefire ?
here's a good phsycological attack on the ltte.
33 odd dead bodies of ltte northern cadre's
airdrop them into kilinochchi town at the break of dawn....demorolise the ltte+make thier already dvindling recruitment base even smaller...tamilnet goes public with it,only w/o any conclusive proof.
this used to be done by the romans using trabuchet's.
after a series of terrorist attacks in india, the SAARC summit will have even more concentration on terrorism.
very good timing for the LTTE. its appeals to india will be less relevant than b4.
intersting to see what india does.
1. negotiate with terrorists
2. come to a ceasefire
3. find a political solution for what the terrorists define as "root causes"
4. appease the international community inclding pakistan
5. compromise its stand
6. none of the above and a brutal crackdown
7. some of the above and a crackdown.
Blogger silentknight said...
here's a good phsycological attack on the ltte.
33 odd dead bodies of ltte northern cadre's
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bodies have been sent already via ICRC
lkdood,
that is news. but is it the 33?
silentknight,
Then what will be the difference between us and the terrorists? You think the civilian support will increase dramatically because of this? Will the people of the north be looking forward to a new rule instead of the LTTE rule, if they think that we are the same sort of barbarians? If we are going about it that way, we might as well carpet-bomb Vanni and be done with it. And my belief is, seeing something like this is going to infuriate the LTTE cadres more than demoralizing them. During the ceasefire LTTE killed SLA soldiers without any problem, any way they liked. When the ceasefire ended (literally) and SLA finally got their chance, did they hold back remembering or fearing what happened to their comrades? On the contrary, 'payback time' for the LTTE started, and they still haven't finished paying. We have better methods to demoralize the LTTE, we don't need to resort to terrorism.
bhairav,
I am not scared like you, not to do battle when many of our own people are doing so.
Without thinking hard and wasting time like you I took the plunge and was definitely not regarded as a weakling : )
Anyways I am happy I saw the light and realized that LTTE is only going to lead to the extinction of tamils and cause misery to our Sinhala brothers.
Can you believe that while I was doing recce in Manal aa'ru. A group of army caught my guide on suspicion but beleived my story that I was an innocent traveller. They even shared with me their meager lunch, not realizing that I was actually supposed to be finding a way to get them killed. One soldier even invited me to his house in the south.
The funniest thing of all was that I can't speak a word of Sinhala and that I communicated with them in sign language !
After that I realized that all the bullshit that LTTE says and that as Tamils, our only option is to fight them, or if we can't to show the army where to hit. Hence my nickname "Kaatikuddupaan"
I wish SLA had a Tamil unit as part of the official SL Army especially for DPU and intelligence work.
Today if I were to turn up at an SLA recruiting office I'm likely to get arrested, and sent to Boosa or 3rd floor
The best way to kill Tamil terrorists is to use Tamils.
Now us anti LTTE tamils only have the option of joining paramilitary groups who don't pay and are likely to kill you because of typical tamil jealousy
About displaying the bodies,
It definitely breaks the morale of other LTTE fighters and also their supporters as they see they are fighting a losing battle.
However these pictures won't reach the civilians in Wanni, and the foreign Tamils are so brain dead. They'll say that it is SLA bodies and weapons
I hit a nerve, I must have been right then :))
"i make these points by being PROPERLY QUALIFIED in the theory of warfare"
Whatever that means??
Do we need qualifications to understand that civilised people dont display the mutilated bodies of enemy combatants??
I think even the Taliban-US parties respect their enemy dead. You seem intent on bringing SL down to Zarqawis Al Queda-of-Iraqs level.
Properly qualified.LOL!
Blogger Moshe Dyan said...
lkdood,
that is news. but is it the 33?
July 27, 2008 2:43 PM
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yes. thats what i heard
Defencewire,
I am one who would want to see dead bodies of LTTE and even Sri Lankan forces, decently presented where possible.
If there are people who cannot bear to look at such picture give them a warning before proceeding. If it's an argument about being civilised, well opposed to that I want to see some real evidence to ascertain the true direction the war is taking. To bad I am not civilised.
Will you oblige me and like minded poster?
STD,
"I hit a nerve, I must have been right then :))"
MY ARSE!!
was there an argument in the first place whether to display LTTE dead bodies or not in my post?
what is this STUPID confrontation about? please read what i wrote b4 saying that i wanted a public display of LTTE bodies.
"Meanwhile SLA clearing operations south of Mallavi have amassed several sacks of hands, fingers and limbs of dead tigers, whose corpses have been reduced to rubble in Thursday's firefight. Large blood stains are visible in dry patches of earth. The stench of the rotting corpses has attracted wild carnivorous animals. Field Commanders confirmed that at this rate, the Army will be able to reach Kilinochchi within the next three months."
WOW!!
Still jittery;))
See, any sane person with a working knowledge of English can see(from your post) that you are not just supporting the display, but also deriving glee from it.
I suggest you go through your post again. Maybe you meant something else but wrote something else?
Ok I made my point and you yours. Bye & take care.
Me holier than thou! You are not worthy of my keyborad strikes!
STD,
so why is this UNNECESSARY confrontation over dead bodies?
did i want a public display of LTTE bodies?
please answer without running away.
Moshey,
Let us term this a discussion and not a confrontation. I felt you were covertly preaching the display/dishonoring of the dead LTTE. By default you are asking LTTE to do the same to dead Srilankan forces.So my gripe.
If you didnt, then its fine with me.Have a good day.
*My respect for your heroes, Israel, went up recently for this same reason--they so respected their dead, they exchanged many living and dead Lebanese for the corpses of 2 Israelis. Now dont tell me they are being soft on ' terrorists' .
STD,
i said, "of course there are good and bad effects of displaying the LTTE dead. i can't figure out if it is totally bad or totally good."
the question remains for which you HAVE NO ANSWER and you are running away like a politico.
next time don't jump the gun, please.
OK
SAARC meeting begins, crackdown on dogs
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Blogger Moshe Dyan said...
OK
July 27, 2008 5:39 PM
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lkdood,
i agreed to end the discussion/confrontation!!!!
has no relevance to the above and am making no suggestions either.
once a hamas suicide bomber's body was wrapped in pigskin by the villagers. this is considered very bad and dooms the chances of going to heven and getting 72 maidens. rumour has it that there were no further suicide bombings in that village.
Another car full of explosives found in Surat(India)
warning to muslim bollywood persons
STD,
"Ok this question is for non-racist, non-loony Sinhalese ( eg Wijayapala):
Why does Brian Senewiratne support Tamil Liberation movement??
Is it from his conscience or is he a Sinhalese version of Devananda/Kadirgamar?
( ' Brainwashed' does not seem to be the answer here)"
Dr. Brian is married to a Tamil lady. There have been other Sinhalese who supported the LTTE (I would NOT refer to LTTE as "Tamil Liberation Movement") so the Brian phenomenon is not anything special.
I would put the pro-LTTE Sinhalese into 3 categories: 1) those who are anti-govt. and see the LTTE as the main anti-govt. force in Sri Lanka and 2) those who are paid to support the LTTE, and 3) those who have something called "Sinhala guilt." These categories are NOT mutually exclusive- a pro-LTTE Sinhala can be motivated by greed, anti-govt. sentiments, and "guilt" (there's a reason I put "guilt" in quotation marks) all at the same time.
Category 1) believes that if the LTTE triumphs, the proper conditions will be set for a southern revolution to overthrow the current setup and create a new system. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but those "Revolutionary Liberation Front" Sinhalese who had been trained by the LTTE were motivated along these lines.
Category 2) comprises the bulk of Sinhalese who help the LTTE, usually by providing shelter to assassins in Sinhala areas. The major who helped the LTTE plan the ops to kill Fonseka and Gotabhaya and who was subsequently pardoned by Mahinda belongs to this category. Everyone knows that the LTTE has $$.
Category 3) is the group I despise the most, and I think that Dr. Brian is primarily in this category. They are hypocrites because they don't see or want to see the destruction caused to the Tamils by the LTTE. Many of these "bleeding heart" Sinhalese cannot speak a word of Tamil and really know nothing about the Tamils; for some reason their "guilt" does not motivate them to learn or appreciate Tamil culture/language. I can give more examples of this category- they are largely found in the SL NGO community as well.
[About displaying the bodies,]
Given the current black out in news media, I would say they should show the bodies to public.
If government media did not put up these pictures, who would have thought that LTTE is losing the battle since no news about this battle in TN and other pro-LTTE sites?
In current conditions, I would say both side should show up the dead bodies, so that mass population will correct itself to some decision.
Thank you Wijayapala.
"Revolutionary Liberation Front"
your description makes it sound like JVP, by any other name...?
STD,
""Imagine if he did what he did and he was a Tamil. He would be dead by now."
"Are you talking about the thousands of Tamil civilians that Sinhalese bloggers here regularly relate with great rejoicing to have been executed..."
I have to agree with panhinda. Sure there are racist Sinhalese who write filth, but the bottom line is that nobody will actually gun down Dr. Brian. Even Mahinda had pardoned the Army major who helped the LTTE target Fonseka from the death sentence (which I totally disagree with).
In SL Tamil society you can be killed for disagreeing with the LTTE. That is the primary difference and that is why I treat Tamils like Anandasangaree and UTHR supporters as heroes.
I also want to add that DW has kept this blog relatively free from anti-Tamil racists (which is more than I can say for other Sinhala blogs out there). That is a prime reason why I participate here and take these posts seriously.
"Where did some people get this idea of a Unitary Sri Lanka? It is a hoax created by Sinhala racists without any historical basis - the North was never continuosly under rule from the South."
The present unitary state traces back to the Colebrooke-Cameron reforms of 1833 which unified the former Kandyan kingdom with the other parts of the island; it was NOT created by Sinhala racists nor is it a hoax.
Although it is true that Sri Lanka was divided into various regions (hence the significance of the term "Trisinhale" to refer to Rajarata, Ruhuna, and Mayarata), the reality is that modern Sinhalese do not have a very strong sense of regionalism that would be conducive for a federal solution. There used to be a sense of Kandyan vs. southern identity, but after independence this has eroded to a large extent.
Bhairav,
"There should be no escape route for LTTE hierarchy in the face of defeat, all should stay and fight to death."
Since you're not willing to stay and fight to the death, what's wrong with the LTTE leadership running away and making a$$es out of themselves????
"2. I do not have the hatred to kill fellow human beings. You can argue here that you take arms to protect your own people, but you can not avoid the killing part."
You sound like some of my fellow Sinhala Buddhists who argue that it is ok to eat meat as long as somebody else kills the animal.
"Until VP delivers the end product, he will be under microscope."
I disagree- there are plenty of pro-LTTE diaspora types who are too stupid to scrutinize the Leader (never underestimate the pro-LTTEers' capacity for imbecility). Even if somebody airlifts the Leader's 10-ton fat frame to Norway, the LTTE supporters will bleat that they're on the verge of winning the war.
Thank you once again for the patient class.
Good to know that not all Sinhalese are knee-jerk 'patriots'.
Once the like of you becomes the majority in SL, I dont think even Tamils will mind ' Unitary' state!
Kaatikuddupaan,
"Today if I were to turn up at an SLA recruiting office I'm likely to get arrested, and sent to Boosa or 3rd floor"
I hope everyone (particularly Sinhalese) read your above comment. We have a lot of work to do to fix our country. Without the help of Tamils such as yourself, we will never beat the LTTE.
If you are talking about "Typical Tamil jealousy" then I can add "typical Sinhala paranoia/fear of everything" to the list.
DW,
Thanks for the great update. Hey what happened to our friend peter??? You didn't ban him, did you? lol
"The Deputy Leader of the Charles Anthony unit, named Pallavan, was a very prominent leader in the LTTE involved in defending Thoppigala alongside 'Col.' Jeyam and a team of LTTE's 'Special Forces'. Pallavan is an eastern cadre, whose loyalty to the LTTE leader was so high that he was given the reins of Charles Anthony unit, which comprises of mainly northern cadres."
Do you know where Pallavan was from? The LTTE views Trincomalee more as the place between north and east rather than the east per se. The original Charles Anthony was from Trinco.
My understanding is that the Leader does not trust Batticaloa/Ampara Tamils, which is why he put Keerthi, an intel wing flunky in charge of Jeyanthan unit.
On the topic of Batticaloa, have you heard any news about creating a Tamil regiment for the SLA??? This would solve the problem that kaati pointed out.
Wijayapala,
Have you read Vanniyan's column?
Vanniyan's this week column
Wijayapala,
Since you're not willing to stay and fight to the death, what's wrong with the LTTE leadership running away and making a$$es out of themselves????
When they sacrificed 10s of thousands of youth for this cause, they should become accountable for their acts. When they enjoy the hospitality of local and diaspora Tamils, they should also take part of this downfall.
"2. I do not have the hatred to kill fellow human beings. You can argue here that you take arms to protect your own people, but you can not avoid the killing part."
You sound like some of my fellow Sinhala Buddhists who argue that it is ok to eat meat as long as somebody else kills the animal.
When you do not have passion for something, you should not go for that profession. Your passion and determination should outweigh the tasks you took in the organization, otherwise you will become liability to that org; for example, Kattikudupan.
"Until VP delivers the end product, he will be under microscope."
I disagree- there are plenty of pro-LTTE diaspora types who are too stupid to scrutinize the Leader (never underestimate the pro-LTTEers' capacity for imbecility). Even if somebody airlifts the Leader's 10-ton fat frame to Norway, the LTTE supporters will bleat that they're on the verge of winning the war.
I won't disagree on this. When Tamils think VP is their savior, it will take some time before they hit the reality. You can not blame Tamils for their mindset which was result of failures of successive governments in SL. You still haven't put satisfactory solutions in front of Tamils, instead of that, you sneakily play the cards by Sinhalizing the coastal Tamil villages, putting your puppets in org and many more.
Cakeboy
I found your comment 'the tipping point is here' very intriguing.
Elaborate please...
Is Brian seneviratne still under indictment for 'destroying native flora' as the local Aussi govt called it when they charged him?
Does anyone have an update?
Guys..sorry but I need to reply Kuttu Putha for a previous post...
Kuttu Said:
"... where is the son of King Mahide & so many other sinhalas ?
so shut the fu** up
tamils can go abroad not just sinhalas..."
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1). Dont even think of shutting up anybody in this blog like you shut up people in Wanni.
Typical LTTE: when people start questioning, you and your LTTE want them to shut-up. No discussions only violence...
2). Mahinda is a politician. He or any politician can do that. It is part of the politics.
But VP is your sun god..! who kiss other tamil girls and make them suicde and send his own daughter from The money collected (I dont think he has other businees or income in Wanni?)
Why didn't he send the 5-female carders who killed last week to Ireland (at leas to India) for further education? Instead why he send them to get killed?
When any ship sunks..ethically it will be “women and children first” getting saved.Becasue they make the generations to come. But when LTTE sunks, it will be women and children first send to die.
And blame Sinhalese for extinction of tamils..):
I never said tamils can't go abroad. Of course anyone can travel as far as they have valid Sri Lankan passport, valid Visa and ticket.
Bahrive:
"I won't disagree on this. When Tamils think VP is their savior, it will take some time before they hit the reality.."
So if VP removed from the equation no one to save tamils..? Truth is given VP is removed, more tamils will be saved and open up a productive space for dialgoue.
Even if LTTE getting a chance to rule a province (in a unite SL), who will be there to manage? LTTE systematically killing all tamil brains.
What will be left is un-educated, gurrilla fighters who dont know a thing about managing or ruling by politics.
Even Dispora guyz come here back to manage, you have to dance on LTTE's beat. Becasue then ex-fighters think it was them who fought in jungles and "sole reps" of the tamils. So the internal politics starts.
VP/Pottu can't survive in an any political world. Even in Bahirav's combined east-North Federal state.
1). He is a wanted criminal in many countries. So even after a peaceful solution, he can't come out.
2). Even if he is pardoned..there will be thousand DPUs (from RAW and SLDF) to kill him. In a peacful world he can't hide in jungles..he has to come out to listen people's voice. isn't he?
3). In politics even the god is good until the next election. So he will be not the eternal leader.
War and the Jungle fighting is the only option he has.
But we SriLankan's (including Bahirav..) has many options. Will Tamils would like to sacrifice their options for few people who have no future?
i just want to point out what happened in Angola, Once they removed (Jonas Savimbi killed by South African mercenaries and Israeli special forces February 22, 2002) soon after he got killed rebel group came to negotiations and once for all they settled for a peace agreement and now they are enjoying peace after few decades of fighting.
I am sure it will be the same in Sri Lanka, need to remove the hardcore terror leaders who runs the place by the gun, once that happens it will be much easier to others (peace loving people) come to a agreement and live peacefully. Most of the time these terror leaders knows if they agree to a peace agreement then they loose their power base coz people will start enjoying the freedom and they will not be under the rule of gun.
Thats why most of the time peace agreements fails (with few exceptions)
Good to see good, decent and civilized discussion among STD, bhairav, kaatikudappan and wijayapala. (We are missing navindran.)
When it comes to arguements it doesn't mater the other party is anti-LTTE or pro-LTTE or LTTE. You just need to avoid personal insults and carry on it based on facts. Keep up the good work.
//* Ok this question is for non-racist, non-loony Sinhalese ( eg Wijayapala): Why does Brian Senewiratne support Tamil Liberation movement?? Is it from his conscience or is he a Sinhalese version of Devananda/ Kadirgamar? ( ' Brainwashed' does not seem to be the answer here)//
Wijayapala answered this. I see another side.
Why one see some thing strange in a person acting against his own community or supporting 'enimy'? At the end all these 'ethnic' groups are reletvie: Reletive to culture, knowledge, environment. Its not absolute: in the sense you can clearly differentiate a man from a woman, human from dog. But you may find a case where you can't identify one is sinhala, tamil, muslim or hindi etc. (what about obama?) (what about nadesan's kids?) If you by yourself didn't out you into some ethnic group it may be done by other unseen influantial factors. Then you act accordingly. Race is is a reletive term contrary to populer beleif it is some thing 'pure'.
This is an addition to wijayapala's answer.
TN reports SLA shelling along the new FDL. this is very good news. i expected SLA to concentrate MORE on consolidation during the SAARC summit than continue their advance.
from the place they are shelling from, poonaryn is approx. 37km away. still tigers cannot use their arti. stationed in pooneryn on SLA advances in the south. it will be interesting to see when the distance reduces to 27km and less. it also offers SLA to use its own arti on poonaryn. that is only another 10km away!!
i noticed that GA chandrasiri is harping on a specific plan as directed by SF for the "national" front. i guess this is about an attack from the south????
very intersting weeks ahead.
Dear Wijayapala, Thanks for the recommendations and I will go through the list soon. My readings are limited to the morning train ride to work so will take some time to finish ur list. Thanks again
STD -
mate, I realy liked some of ur early postings. But later u start going down the drain a bit. You may be Yellow, Black, White or Indigo and that does not bother me and give a rats arse about it too. What bothers me is ur trying to play the "big brother"! I don't like "big brothers" and I don't like "Big Brothers" trying to tell me what I am and who I am. " Good to know that not all Sinhalese are knee-jerk 'patriots'- Mate, we knew this for thousands years. U don't have to invent the wheel again! So, don't make statements and don't try to be "larger than life figure" just be humble as others! A good example is none other than Wijayapala! As u r name reflects ur a disciple! So u may like to have disciples following u too! And may be u want to play the master/teacher roll when u can! But I ain't any ones disciple! I am self taught!!!
[Cakeboy
I found your comment 'the tipping point is here' very intriguing.
Elaborate please...]
Certainly... this was in context of a posting I made in February of this year. It is posted below for your delectation.
CakeBoy said...
For noltte=peace ;-)
I love the phrase tipping point.
In terms of popular expression this is the point where if a small or minute addition is made to a balanced system, it can result in the sudden and complete toppling (or a catastrophic event) of aforementioned state of balance. Or an even better definition – where the momentum of change becomes unstoppable.
Currently we have a seemingly balanced system in the Wanni, with the LTTE apparently holding firm against the systematic onslaught on four fronts by the SLA forces.
In the past when the SLA went on the offensives, the LTTE would be flexible and pliant, and draw them in only to smother them later when the SLA overreached or spread themselves thin with massive operations resulting in massive casualties.
Things today are somewhat different.
Small, but deadly attacks and withdrawals, by the frontline troops with demoralising daily body counts for the enemy.
Effective LRRP operations behind enemy lines that have already accounted for intelligence second in command Charles and more importantly severely restricted the movements of upper level LTTE cadre, who would motivate and drive the lower level cadre.
Precision strikes by the air force, which have already accounted for Tamilselvam and the destruction of the LTTE military infrastructure including training camps.
Effective blockades by the navy, restricting fresh weapons supply lines, and the destruction of the LTTE floating armouries.
This reminds me of a past Chinese form of execution, ‘Ling Che’ or more commonly known as ‘Death by a Thousand Cuts’, where the hapless victim is killed by the slow slicing of his flesh in small pieces, resulting in his eventual death by massive blood loss.
The SLA forces are destroying the LTTE with small cuts. Slowly, but surely bleeding them to death, with minimal casualties to itself, unlike in past costly operations.
And why do I like the expression tipping point?
We are fast approaching it in the context of the LTTE.
This is where the LTTE frontlines will collapse and everything will descend into chaos and implode.
When the command structures will fracture, and the populace of the Wanni will turn against their former masters and the cannon fodder cadre will desert en mass.
Then be prepared for the turkey shoot of the century gentlemen. When the end comes for the LTTE, it will come soon and unexpectedly. Just be ready for that tipping point.
And what will the LTTE do to avoid that tipping point being reached
Expect to see a massive bombing campaign against civilians to put pressure on the government to make rash military actions.
Prepare yourselves for more attempted assassinations on political and military leaders.
More attempts to trigger ethnic backlashes by targeting religious places of worship.
Potentially catastrophic attack on the country’s infrastructure. And I am not talking about simple power transformers here. Think hydro-dams here etc.
Attempted attacks on the international airport, the financial district, power stations, oil refineries etc.
And possibly a last throw of the dice with an unceasing waves type of operation against one of the larger military targets.
As for the governments challenge today – to act in a proactive fashion and prevent the above occurring.
To survive long enough to carry on with the present successful modus operandi and not put political pressure on the SLA forces for quick results or ‘glamorous’ operations, which will prove costly in human and economic terms.
No shit Sherlock on the above some might say. But our governments past and present have a habit of missing the obvious and not taking proper precautions and shutting the stable door only after the horse has bolted.
Hopefully by now they have learnt their lessons.
February 10, 2008 9:04 PM
DW & fellow bloggers,
URGENT & IMPORTANT
there is an unfortunate development ESPECIALLY at this blog.
1. it is going off course as some discussions are not defence related but race-related.
2. alot of "innocent" racism has crept it VERY innocently. there are 46+72=118 occurences!!! of RACES which is totally unnecessary as race HAS NOTHING to do with this war. as a percentage, this figure is VERY VERY high for some bloggers, UNFORTUNATELY. the word "lanka" has ZERO occurances!!!
lets put an end to this. look at how i (for instance) write. may be bcos of formal edu on defence or may be personal bad experience, etc. EVERYTHING can be said WITHOUT dragging race.
a small story.
once i had a fight with 2 other boys at school for a petty thing may be when i was 10 yrs old. they were muslims (relevant to mention)and my friends. i was beaten although the next day we were buddies again. anyhow when i went home i told my parents that there was an anti-semitic attack!!! i was punished.
[there is an unfortunate development ESPECIALLY at this blog.
1. it is going off course as some discussions are not defence related but race-related.]
Ado Moshy,
Why do you like to pick hairs on egg?
WTF??? is this blog becoming meditation campaign?? come on guys.. we are here to talk Defence related development!! not to talk.. neighbor affairs!! Jeeeeez!!
panhinda,
"They MAY need to move their big guns south from k-point leaving EP vulnerable. This is where opportunities will open up for the military."
this adds a new dimention to my concerns. interesting..
Moshe,
As you said, LTTE can use Arti when the distance reduced to 27km (so do Army).
But what if they mobilize 1-2 Arti-pieces just 5-10 km advance towards Army movment (for a short period) and try to create a surprise?
Advance destroy of Arti by LRRP or any other move, will be a realy morale killer for LTTE in Pooneryn.
Guys,
How many arti guns do you suppose the LTTE has?
single,
"But what if they mobilize 1-2 Arti-pieces just 5-10 km advance towards Army movment (for a short period) and try to create a surprise?"
that is EXACTLY what tigers will do b4 trying other desperate measures!!!!
but most arti. pieces will be concealed in safe locations without moving them until they have to be relocated.
"But what if they mobilize 1-2 Arti-pieces just 5-10 km advance towards Army movment (for a short period) and try to create a surprise?"
I think this is where the new arti detecting system that DW posted about comes in to action. It seems the top brass has thought of this and is probably the best use of these systems. Let's hope their success rate is good.
amma gahai(what does it mean?),
I never heard your name so how can I tell you something??:))
Did I ruffle your feathers when you came here by some other moniker??
Take care.
single & thambala,
for the fourth day SLAF jets have not been in action. jets have been the most effective deterrent for tiger arti. build-up in the recent past and no air raids (with jets) means a BIG boon for tigers.
wonder how long this lull in large air raids will last. SLAF showed a steady increase in monthly raids this year and this is not the time for a let-up.
thambala,
from what i know, the arti detection system must also go within the arti range to target enemy arti. there are sophisiticated systems that can do the detection from further away and instruct connected (through radio link) own counter arti devices that are close to enemy to fire. but this is not what we have.
DW please clarify if you have some time.
haha that's a good one LOL
Moshe,
In this political week, it may be understandable to have limited OPS by SLAF.
LTTE may make human shields and NGO cover-up (by mocking movements)to get SLAF attraction and take some hits. Then a published story of "SLAF hits civilinas" a not good one during the summit (defence.lk already published a NGO cover!).
That is why a LRRP or Commando kind of op may be good. It will be highly risky as LTTE must put everything to protect Arti.
Other option is to infliritte LTTE Arti division...
If LTTE use the Arti and this new detecting system find it early, it will lead to lose LTTE Arti at short notice. But they must have to use the Arti too ("Yuddeta nathi kaduwa kos kotannada?"). So it is tricky option.
They may keep flipping the manuals and use contacts to find any short comings of these new Art-detecting systems and exploit those weekneses.
Is anyone here knows how LTTE move Arti and how they protect the Arti in the field? I mean.. is there any outer permeter with centry points? Seems not practical as they always on the run..
Also in another note...May be Ex-Col. Karuna may have some tips and tricks to share from other side of the "JayaSikiuru"?
The WLRS can detect any trajectory weapon fired from upto 35kms. There won't be a way to hide them.
"Rebel spokesman Rasiah Ilanthirayan was not immediately available for comment."
Kollane meka kawa dawath nehe ne ban comment ekak denna..
ara natta puk# gaha gaththa sunakayek wage hangila innawa athi neda ban
Moshe and Thambala
Dw has a link in it's article to a brouchure of the Arti detection system. I downloaded the pdf file, bery intersting and ansers all the queries posted. the brochure is available at http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/rtnwcm/groups/ncs/documents/content/rtn_ncs_products_tpq36_pdf.pdf
excerpt
ThalesRaytheonSystems’ compact, mobile, combatproven
AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radar accurately, rapidly,
and automatically locates medium-range enemy mortars,
artillery, and rocket launchers. It can handle
simultaneous fire from weapons at multiple locations,
detecting and reporting their positions on the first round.
No longer must front-line troops and armor be exposed
to long periods of enemy mortar, artillery, and rocket
attacks. The AN/TPQ-36 directs accurate counterfire to
neutralize enemy positions.
The AN/TPQ-36’s automatic detection, tracking, and
locating process is so fast that an enemy weapon’s
position can often be pinpointed before its projectile
impacts. Locations of enemy weapon positions are
automatically corrected for altitude differences, using
computer-stored digital maps, and presented to the
operator in northing, easting, and altitude coordinates.
The system is so automatic and simple to operate that,
once set up, the operator need not be present in the
operation control shelter to determine a weapon’s
location.
new article 'The East Secured Shut' on DW
DW,
thanks for the reply.
"The WLRS can detect any trajectory weapon fired from upto 35kms. There won't be a way to hide them."
but our artilery can only strike less than 27km, isn't it?
in other words, LTTE arti and SLA arti have the SAME range. therefore if SLA were to attack LTTE arti pards using artilery (again!!), SLA pads must come within the reach of LTTE arti.
the maximum distance between them is the max range of their artilery.
so even if WLRS has a detection range of 35km it doesn't make things any better.
isn't so DW?
single,
col. karuna surely knows LTTE's desperate measures!!
if SAARC related stuff is going to stop SLAF attacks for 11 days (IF), that will be a massive boon for tigers. apart from arti moves, they can also rehash their defences beyond the areas of active war. try that when SLAf is active, tigers are dead meat.
shan,
thanks for the input mate.
hope i clarified it??? if i didn't.....
SCENARIO 1
WLRS stationed 35km away from LTTE arti launching pad
A. LTTE arti falls (closest) approx. 7 km away.
B. SLA arti falls approx 7km (max) away from LTTE arti launching pads
C. as a result of A & B, neither party's arti pads are damaged
SCENARIO 2
WLRS stationed 27km (or less) away from LTTE arti launching pad
A. LTTE arti (depending on accuracy) falls on to the WLRS and SLA arti pads.
B. SLA arti. smashes LTTE arti. pads
C. depending on LTTE arti accuracy (they are notoriously accurate) both parties will suffer
if LTTE does what SINGLE mentioned (very likely) (bring a few pieces forward), and use arti from both locations, they will have a higher hit rate. also their forward arti pads will get a beating.
SCENARIO 3
WLRS stationed 27km-35km away from LTTE arti launching pad SLA ARTI WHICH ARE CONNECTED TO THE WLRS within 27km. for this to happen there should be some sort of a link spanning a long distance which i doubt.
A. LTTE arti (depending on accuracy) falls on to SLA arti pads
WLRS is wintin a safe distance
B. LTTE arti pads get smashed
C. depending on LTTE arti accuracy (they are notoriously accurate) both parties will suffer
if LTTE does what SINGLE mentioned (very likely) (bring a few pieces forward), and use arti from both locations, they will have a higher hit rate. also their forward arti pads will get a beating.
however WLRS systems will be safe.
so anyway we run the same risk they run.
only variable is RELATIVE accuracy as reach is same for both parties.
the test of relative accuracy comes at the same risk as b4.
????
noltte=peace
you have a good point. this photo seems to be from some other country. The MP's don't look ours. take a look at the helmets doesn't look like the type SLA uses, these are more the german type squarish. The non milytary person is certainly not a policeman and not a faniliar uniform either.
MD/Thambala would you mind taking a look this photo displayed by pro ltte demo's in Sydney and on tamilnet.
http://www.tamilnet.com/pic.html?path=/img/publish/2008/07/27_07_08_black_july_sydney_07.jpg&width=1200&height=800&caption=
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