Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Zlin downing further confirmed

Intelligence units have uncovered the general area of the crash-site of the TAF plane. The site is situated inside dense jungle at Mullaiyaveli, south of Mulaithivu. Unfortunately no UAV images taken upto now have been able to clearly show the site due to thick vegetation and immediate action taken by the LTTE to cover it up.

Civilian informants of MIC residing along the Mulaitivu-Oddusudan road have seen the plane descending in a ball off fire. Some had observed the plane from their Chena cultivations and others had heard the noise of the plane crashing. The area was then cordoned off by the Tigers.

Other credible sources have also confirmed the destruction of the plane. These come from radio messages recorded by 2MIC corp attached to 59 Division in Mullaitivu.

But the most credible information comes in a taped conversation between a Chengdu F-7 pilot and the SLAF Operations Control room at Katunayake. In this tape, heard by sources very close to DefenceWire, the F-7 pilot confirms the sighting and identification of the plane and requests permission to engage it with a missile whereupon the permission is granted and the pilot describes the Zlin taking a direct hit and plunging into darkness over Mulaitivu jungles.

These tapes might never be released to the public due to some sensitive information in them.

Meanwhile some web-based sources have distorted the battle between Black Tiger units and the Special Forces at Vavuniya claiming that there was an intelligence warning of the intrusion and that the Special Forces were lying in waiting for the intruders to come. Unfortunately this was not the case.

The operation was top secret in the LTTE, as it is with this type of suicide operation. It was betrayed only by the vigilance of Special Forces troops deployed in two bunkers in the Omanthai FDL.

The Special Forces platoon was from Special Forces Squadron 2 who were deployed in a small detachment where some injured soldiers and soldiers about to go on leave or had just returned from war were resting or recuperating from injuries but also forming a vital back-up in case of need. This is a normal practice in the Army.

It was these men who made the call to allow the Tigers to come in, instead of engaging them in front of the FDL, in which case they would have escaped and never called in the Zlins in the first place. True to the wise decision of SF soldiers (importantly no officers made the call) the Tigers ran for their lives in the first engagement, but towards the base, instead of the Irattaperiyakulam jungle, and were soon trapped. The entire SF platoon swung into action and started surrounding the now injured Black Tiger unit.

By last morning they were completely surrounded. Wounded and up against a mighty foe, the Tigers had their backs against the wall (or the fence in this case) after having lost the element of surprise. In desperation they called in artillery to take out the radar, but then the Special Forces made their final push killing 11 members of the team in one place with two committing suicide.

158 comments:

Nish said...

this time me first :)

Nish said...

Nice article DW.. as always. as I mentioned earlier too.. your articles (Chunks from here and there - Like article spinning with automated bot) can be seen on this week thebottomline.lk defence column.

May be you yourself writing it or else someone copying it.

Defencewire said...

No. We don't write to newspapers. We are no journalists. Even this writing is very hard for us.

Pivithuru said...
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Defencewire said...

nish,

I see what you mean.
http://www.thebottomline.lk/2008/09/10/defence_col.htm
A guy called ruwan weerakoon emailed us sometime back offering to write in this column if we paid him money. We don't need journalists to tell us what's going on in the battlefield so we declined it. Anyway, we are all volunteers who want the truth to get-out and we do what we do due to motivations that are never economic in nature. I now see that this guy has been cutting and pasting stuff from the blog without even mentioning our name. So now do we send him a bill? or deal with him in another way? We will decide. But i tell you, this is pathetic. There are decent bloggers and news website people who are in touch with us as have an 'agreement' with us to copy. Its just courtesy. There are also others who take this information and let their imagination run riot and write all sorts of news items. All we have to say is, you the reader be the judge and keep an eye out for con artists who haven't even seen a shadow of war even in their dreams.

abilin said...

Thx DW!! Guys don't underestimate yourselves!! Your articles are better than journalists!! The more you read the more you want to read..

Ali said...

Absolutely u guys are the best site on the web dealing with defense issues in SL . kudos to u . keep up the good work .

Imitation is the finest form flattery I say .

Ruslan said...

Yep. those punk A55 journalists (So called Defence analysts...My A55) couldn't even identify the difference between MIG27 and F7, so wonder how they gonna write so called "Defence Columns" in their newspapers. those people think that writing crap and shouting in front of Fort Railway station is all about journalism. well, they got a think twice. people are not fidiots!!

ach said...

They are called CTRl+C,CTRL+V journalists:)

vimansa said...

DW,

Be careful when you reply to those who email you. This way they can trace your origins to some extent using mail relay paths. I hope you know abt this possibility but thought of telling you, just in case

I don't want to see you guys or your information sources exposed.

TigerKiller said...

Defencewire ,

You guys are rock . keep it up guys ! . I know You never release sensitive info to national security even by a mistake .

so this is what lack in the war front . even defence.lk is behind you guys

vimansa said...

http://www.tamilnet.com/pic.html?path=/img/publish/2008/09/10_09_08_12.jpg&width=700&height=468&caption=A%20house%20damaged%20in%20the%20SLAF%20attack

This is a photo from TamilNet and they say this is a house damaged by SLAF bombing yesterday ( Killinochchi)

Please note the dish antenna and the solar panel mounted ( right bottom corner of the roof )

What do you think antenna is used for? Satellite TV ? Can't be right?

ach said...
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J - 7 said...

tkx indeed 4 the prompt
clarification.

1st of all DW is doing an excellent job = SLAF.

1. I never had doubts about the SLAF interception.
Note : F- 7 max speed 2400 KM Vs
Tin Can @ 240 KM

SLAF bird is a bomber & a intercepter flown by PROF. pilots.

The chase is like an Armed " Hummer Jeep " chasing a 3 x wheeler down the Galle Road , lol

Beside SLAF pilots are the best!!!!
Look @ how nato top guns performing in Afan....n

They kill + civilians / fellow mates ( friendly fire ) than the actual enemies .

look @ the most difficult scenario
out pilots are operatng @ despite the forced human shields.
Check the casuality figures & judge
it by yourselfs.

Remember the SLDF mission in the east. Zero civilian deaths despite
the forced human shields & other threats.

So BRAVO & hates off 2 SLAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also SF may god blesssss U all.
U are our living heros!!!!!!

According 2 the inside info. the rader station is up & runing as never before.

So the Tin can Air force be aware!!

Next time = last time.

All SLANS including those of tamil origin shall financially ( word &
deed ) assist SLDF in their nobel mission to FREE our country from this Criminals = LieTTE.

The peelam state is a sick patient,
run by a very mental sick & very FAT thug.

Destroying our country & our people
& taking the most valuable of our society = The men & women of our forces.

This is big business for the Fat Paba... & the other Pigmies.

liberation story is just a smoke screen !!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up

Every single day gone more money pumped in, so they can live well while sacrificing lifes of kiddy soldiers, women & civilians + the poor & the sick.

Even other Terror masters like
Al...a respects women & children.

The criminal gang is the worst scam of all.

Dear Tamil expats dont be fooled.

Your hard earned money is spend on a journey going no where !!!

The biggest portion goes to the account of the criminal gang bringing DEATH & MISSARY to the poor Tamils & others like.

After 30 + yrs of destruction what
have the Criminal gang achived,
BIG VOID & missary for millons of SLANS.

And still receving FOOD / MEDICINE / EDUCATION all the
rights from VERY SLAN state = People they keep destroying.

Judge it by yourselfs.

We all shall stand firm behind the Govt. & our SLDF on its nobel mission 2 free our country from the Criminal gang .

DW pls set up an corruption FREE tool so our forces have the very best 2 finish the mission & serve this very nation of ALL SLANS

ach said...

[Be careful when you reply to those who email you. This way they can trace your origins to some extent using mail relay paths. I hope you know abt this possibility but thought of telling you, just in case

I don't want to see you guys or your information sources exposed.]

+clicking on the links given in the emails.
Better to use a proxy ip.

Rover said...

DW,

Don't worry guys, your posts are the most accurate and the most objective of what is out there (why else would we incessantly hang around here).

Reading the BL article was like reading a very cheap thriller, I hate the way that idiot has written as if he saw everything and experienced everything; while honest men toil on in the trench lines and behind enemy lines.

Unfortunately, this is the way that most journalists operate. Please don't take it too hard.

I know that you are officers and gentlemen; anyway I hate it when people directly plagiarize from honest hardworking men like you. But truth will prevail, and we'll make it a point to highlight the plagiarizers, who feed off men like you.

Lankapura said...

Getting a Zlin was great.. in hindsight I suppose if the SF team warned the HQ of a potential attack (whatever form it was), they could have taken defensive positions and the casualties might have been reduced. I guess they expected an AAB-like attack, not with Arty.

Maverick said...

DW,
Thanks for the update, never had a doubt since your first confirmation though.

I find your articles the best, much more interesting and informative than the articles of so called defence journalists. You're providing an excellent service and really appreciate that.

Your writing style and English is perfect for me, even if there's a rare mistake here and there, which all humans likely to make. And that's nothing to bicker about.

About copying your articles by others, we have to expose those rogue journalists. I'm not quite sure as to how though. Ideas by all are welcome.

DW, any idea on how this LTTE team managed to infiltrate Vavunia? I asked earlier as well, any idea on the LTTE team who managed to escape into Padaviya area towards end of last month. Can this team be part of that group?

Violated said...

That bottom line article made me laugh. It looks like a compilation of stories taken from different sources put together by a child:

DefenceWire (2/9/08):
"SLA Artillery batteries fire incessantly on this FDL day and night. Each Battery has 12 howitzers and gunnery crews operating on them continuously."

BL (10/09/08):
"SLA artillery batteries fire incessantly on this FDL, day and night. Each battery has 12 howitzers and gunnery crews operating continuously."


Defencenet (9/9/08):
"Special Forces (SF) units of the Sri Lanka Army have now been deployed in the are to hunt down any remaining tigers who managed to infiltrate the FDL last night."

BL (10/9/08): "The Special Forces have now been deployed in the area, to hunt down any remaining Tigers, who managed to infiltrate the defence lines that night."

And the list goes on lol

vimansa said...

Some more details of this so called "defense analyst" Ruwan Weerakoon

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/5730

MoratuSaman said...

Defencewire, your site is the best.

Thanks again.

Lion777 said...

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Lion777 said...

Thnaks DW,

I do appreciate your style of writing. Unlike Iqbaal, who could sell his mother for money and various other reasons, DW reports are objective and very much focused.

Long live DW.

Sam Perera said...

DefenceWire and DefenceNet along with Tissa Ravindra of Rivira have rendered other fake defence analysts like Athas obsolete. The most ridiculous defence news these days come from LankaENews, Daily Mirror every now and then, where they lump Sri Lankan and LTTE causalities together. That is the cesspit of defence reporting. It seems that these monkeys have no idea of what country they are living in.

kaatikuddupaan said...

back when I was "over there", Iqbal Athas clumns were my only insight to outside world.

According to Eelanatham, everything was going perfect and Tamil Eelam was in its birth pangs with Kfirs just doing simple expedition flights over Vanni.

Atleast some info is better than none.

His columns helped me to change my mind and go against iyaakam.

Nihara said...

Either way, it’s so sad to see all these young lives from both sides wasted away for an uncertain future. They are the future of our country & why do they have to die like this without living the life to it's fulfilment.

Human life’s value has come down to just to a “Number”. And it’s sad, that you people from both sides are trying to claim victory over these countless dead corpses of young boys or girls of our country.
Whether they are Sinhala or Tamil, at the end of the day they are all Sri Lankans
Why can’t we sort out our differences thinking as humans rather than animals…? Isn’t that why we humans have been given an intelligent brain?

londonistan said...

From someone who visits this site everyday (and have done so from virtually the start), the work of you and your team (and the defencenet team as well) is appreciated more than can be said.

tikira said...

DW, keep up the good work mate,this is the only site with credible battlefeild updates,chaaaa

Corey said...

For those who don't get any current news from the Wanni because of media censorship by the govt., the following website should contain most everything they need to know:

http://i34.tinypic.com/xmqxd4.jpg[/IMG]

Panhinda said...

Brave heart overbrims with kindness


By Atula Bandara

A police constable who was seriously injuried during the LTTE artillery attack on Vavuniya police complex on Tuesday dared to carry six other injured officers by ambulance to Medawachchiya hospital despite his bleeding injuries that nearly incapacitated him.

While many others ran for safety constable 46592 Lasantha Sujeewa of Badulla took the wheel at the peril of his own skin to rush six fellow officers to hospital. The doctors of Medawachchiya hospital who provided immediate treatment to the injured police personnel including Lasantha transferred them to Anuradhapura hospital. The doctors who praised Lasantha for taking prompt action to rush the injured to hospital said that any further delay would have endangered the lives of two of the officers who were in critical condition. They said Lasantha deserves the respect of other officers of the police force.

-dailymirror.lk

Ninja said...

One wise man...

//To create another appalling humanitarian crisis in the Vanni region, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, made use of the entry – exit point at Omanthai, to attack the Security Forces Headquarters and the Air Force Base located in Vavuniya early on Tuesday morning.Basil Rajapakse: "Government is providing the IDPs with food, medicine and shelter. We are providing whatever possible to the people."
Basil Rajapakse MP and a senior advisor to Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapakse said that Omanthai entry – exit point was kept open for the goods and essential food items to move into the Vanni region and the people in Vanni to enter into the Government area to go to hospitals, banks, to travel abroad and to attend to their needs. Making use of this situation, the Tamil Tigers moved their heavy guns very close to the entry – exit point to attack the Security Forces Headquarters in Vavuniya, he pointed out.

He said it was easy to read the Tigers’ sinister intention behind this move. One of the main strategy behind this meanest attack was to force the Government to close down the entry – exit point at Omanthai, located on the A-9 highway, to come up with a propaganda ploy that the Sri Lanka Government has created a humanitarian crisis to prevent peoples’ movements as well as the movement of food and goods in and out of the Vanni region.

Basil Rajapakse told the Asian Tribune that if the Government wants, it can easily take over Omanthai in a day, but the Government is keeping Omanthai open purely on a humanitarian consideration.//

AnnBurn said...

"For those who don't get any current news from the Wanni because of media censorship by the govt., the following website should contain most everything they need to know:"

http://i34.tinypic.com/xmqxd4.jpg[/IMG]

Thank you for the the link. How such a pathetic thing happen to wanni tigers is beyond my comprehension.....

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

Boys and Girls and anyone in between - nothing wrong being in between anyway : ))

2 things I noticed recently:

* Frequent use of word “Modaya” against Sinhalese by Tamil LTTE supporters.

* Frequent use of term “Tamil Home Land” by Tamil LTTE supporters.

Tamil LTTE supporters’ use these terms trying to get few points (some of it is utter BS) across. But if u think backward or “out of the square” then it is time for a hypothetical…

As most of the Tamil LTTE supporters claims, before King Vijaya 505 BC. establish Sinhala monarchy on this fair Island called “pearl of Indian ocean” Tamils were running the joint and having a “smoke & a pancake” in their home land.

I am not sure when Tamil LTTE supporters claim to have a Tamil home land that it is only the north and east of the Island or the whole Island. I am a very giving person so I’ll give u the whole Island. and so

Hypothetical: Tamils were running the joint before Vijaya crash their party with few of his friends who had few too many to drink.

So, when Vijaya and the boys sail in to Mannar port on this beautiful day the so called Intelligent Tamils who were running this joint but:

1) Failed to identified the threat pose by Vijaya and the boys whom had a moderate views and a sporty life style : ))
2) Failed to kick a bunch of boofe-heads out of their home land
3) Could not protect the best looking women on the Island ( Kuweni ) getting knocked-up by a hunk Vijaya
4) Didn’t had enough fire power to kill a gang of 800 or less
5) Vijaya and the gang of boofe-heads out-smart so called genius Tamil race
6) Vijaya and the gang of 800 bunk down and fought with few (10?? Or 15??) millions of Tamils and won the land
7) When out-smarted, so called smart Tamils failed to negotiate or offer a solution
8) So called Tamil warriors failed to fought back to win their land back
9) Failed to negotiates with their cousins in Tamilnadu to come and help them to kick Vijaya and boys out
10) Failed to produce a beautiful enough women to get Vijaya to marry after he divorce his first wife so lost the last chance to protect the crown.

For the next 2000 years (until English crashed the party), Sinhala people:

• had their “ smoke & Pancakes”
• knocked-up few “Miss world” from India
• went to Thailand for a quick massage
• Did “Ding-a-Dong” with Chinese
• Smoked best from Afghanistan,
• Rode Iranian horse and bet for the winners,
• Had a drink with Roman emperors and olive oiled skinned hoties,
• share a laugh with funny people from Russia,
• rap few songs with African home-boys,
• talked philosophy with Greeks after few drinks,
• swooped architectures with Egypt and bet they had a crack @ Cleopatra,
• built massive swimming pools and relaxed with Europeans

and ofcoz looked after and developed the beautiful country too!

So called brilliant Tamils lost the plot and whingh for next 2000 years??? and sabotaged the development of this beautiful county every time they could with the help of equally retarded cousins from Tamilnadu???????

So, who are the real modayas??????

And honestly speaking Tamil Ellam/Ezam/ or Meepasanam a bunch of retarded scums and no way Sri Lankans going to loose their land to MODA LTTE ponnayas!

So, MODA LTTE/Eelam/Eezam and MODA DI-ASS –PORA the only way to survive and develop is to join Sri Lankans and move forward.

AmmaGahai


P.S. Tamil Ellam/Ezam/ or Meepasanam : This is only a “Hypothetical” and u never ran the joint. So, snap out of ur wet dream before u have an orgasm.

Any “Tight Ars@” reply with-out sense of humor will be dismissed just like Eelam

bandara: pls don’t try to fill blanks but try coming up with an original (bet u can’t) so better try finding that “open pit toilet”

Even though u guys didn’t care about MasterCard and VISA commercial rights pls respect my “copy rights” on this piece.

If u guys felt like I rub salt to ur wounds pls donate some money to “Tsunami Fund”. VP need money as he began up-grading a flying Tuk-Tuk with Gold plated toilets, massage seats, personal bar with “Kassippu on the tap” and have employed few Buxom Blondies from Norway for his planed escape to Africa.

wijayapala said...

Vimansa,

"Some more details of this so called "defense analyst" Ruwan Weerakoon

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/5730
"

There is more than meets the eye. Ruwan Weerakoon is a normal contributor to Asian Tribune:

Tiger plane shot down
http://asiantribune.com/?q=node/13151

In another of his columns:
http://srilankainfocus.blogspot.com/2008/01/army-makes-steady-progress.html

"Why didn’t the so called HR groups condemn this attack or make any statements? Is this because the victims were Sinhalese? Not only Sinhalese, even Muslims were killed by the LTTE, but why were the HR groups tightlipped? An NGO, working with children and women, was silent regarding the above incident. This raises serious doubts about HR INGO’s, both within and outside Sri Lanka.

"HR should be applicable for the majority as well as the minority.
"

So when Mr. Weerakoon worked for AP he wrote about "Sinhala-dominated governments," but now he's whining about the rights of Sinhala people?????

Perhaps Mr. Weerakoon felt guilty about writing crap about Sri Lanka in the international press and turned a new leaf. More likely, he's a fraud and is still a fraud (judging by his plagiarizing DW).

I encourage DW fans to write appropriate responses to Mr. Weerakoon's contributions to Asian Tribune.

hemantha said...

"However, that may not be the only reason why it is going for the SLAF radar installations. It was only the other day that we reported the LTTE was building a second airstrip capable of taking heavy aircraft, in Mullaitivu. Is it trying to blind the SLAF by destroying the radar systems in the Wanni so that a big bird could land with warlike goodies on the newly built runway, maybe never to fly back?"
-The Island

click here.

wijayapala said...

Dear Amma Gahai/Gahawi,

"* Frequent use of word “Modaya” against Sinhalese by Tamil LTTE supporters."

I use the term "Modaya" to describe Sinhalese who are stupid, and I am neither Tamil nor an LTTE supporter.

The truth is that just as there are dumb Tamils, there are dumb Sinhalese out there as well and both should be put in their place. Sri Lanka had "Modaya" leadership in 1983 which brought about this war and untold suffering for Sri Lanka. "Modaya" leadership is also the reason why we were not able to defeat the LTTE until recently.

"As most of the Tamil LTTE supporters claims, before King Vijaya 505 BC. establish Sinhala monarchy on this fair Island called “pearl of Indian ocean” Tamils were running the joint and having a “smoke & a pancake” in their home land."

The LTTE supporters are wrong, but the reason they claim this crap is because there had been certain Modayas who claimed that the Tamils should be 2nd-class citizens in Sri Lanka because the Sinhalas had come 1st.

The truth is that Sinhalas and Tamils had been in Sri Lanka for about the same length of time, and both had contributed toward Sri Lankan civilization and influenced each other.

wijayapala said...

Dear lion777

"Unlike Iqbaal, who could sell his mother for money and various other reasons, DW reports are objective and very much focused."

There are a lot of garbage journalists out there like Ruwan Weerakoon, but I do not accept that Iqbal Athas is one of them. He had covered this war for a long time, and I remember him specifically for exposing corruption in the Air Force in the late 1990s. He got into trouble recently for highlighting that the recent MiG-27 purchase was also crooked.

There are some people who simply can't take bad news. If the war was going badly right now, I'm sure there would be people who would refer to DW as "traitor" and "Ponnaya" for telling us the truth.

MoratuSaman said...

"Either way, it’s so sad to see all these young lives from both sides wasted away for an uncertain future. They are the future of our country & why do they have to die like this without living the life to it's fulfilment.

Human life’s value has come down to just to a “Number”. And it’s sad, that you people from both sides are trying to claim victory over these countless dead corpses of young boys or girls of our country.
Whether they are Sinhala or Tamil, at the end of the day they are all Sri Lankans
Why can’t we sort out our differences thinking as humans rather than animals…? Isn’t that why we humans have been given an intelligent brain?"

Well if you look elsewhere around the world, whats going on, fighting..get ready end is near..

"Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return"

MoratuSaman said...

looking at current area - we are fighting...we better use our biggest gun we have and...don't worry about LTTE s too much...

take as much as civilian you can, and beat the hell out of LTTE, till they say oooh noo we don't want Elam, not even fedarally lution..bla..bla..lb

else we will have dead bodies(Sinhalese guys) around our four corners...

Death Angle is waiting every corner ... so watch out..

Saman said...

Thanks DW,

You are the best so far. We always in thirsty of getting correct news about our motherland and our heros.

Infact I wanted to join army from my little time.I applied for Officer cadet in intake 18.I got the opportunity but my mum spoiled the luck.

I think you don,t have to be journalist or corrupted politico to serve your mother land. I am away from the country,still, often travel back home. The true feeling you have for your motherland is enough to bless our beloved heros to do their job. I still love army(Of course Navy/Airforce and police)

Most of the people who are in out side country, they love you guys. Some pathetic idiots are there questioning about SLAF bombing in Wanni whom never gone beyond Anuradhapura to know about geogrophical back ground about wanni jungles.Some of them know nothing about war.Only thing we can do is to excuse them, their lack of knowladge about our motherland.

Guys keep it up. In coming months we have to hear some pathetic desperate attempts by LTTE before the F...King fat pig gose down to hell.

I still belive We are King Rawana's people not from Vijaya.From the day Vijaya landed in our mother land,that mixture spoiled our original genes.
You are open to debate.I still prefer King Rawana as my distance ancestor than thief Vijaya.

We flew Aeroplanes before anybodyelse(king Rawana's Dadumonara). SLAF you guys can do it.Keep going.

Moshe Dyan said...

"The operation was top secret in the LTTE, as it is with this type of suicide operation. It was betrayed only by the vigilance of Special Forces troops deployed in two bunkers in the Omanthai FDL."

not only tigers shelled the camp from the southermost LTTE point still in tact (omanthai area), but also used it to send black tigers for the attack.

SFs foiled the STUPIDITY of politicians. tigers that unashamedly eat food meant for civilians, etc., etc., WILL rob any other "HUMANITARIAN" bullshit the government HEAPS upon vanni. NOW there are ENOUGH humanitarian corridors and civilians CANNOT CROSS OMANTHAI anyway without tigers' permission!!!!!

cut the crap AT LEAST now. start a new northward thrust THROUGH omanthai area and make a MORE horizontal EAST to WEST FDL which is shorter, therefore much easier to man, reduces tiger reach DRASTICALLY to the south and takes away many more headaches.

Panhinda said...

Ban-Ki-Moon has recently made some noises about the ongoing insurgent problems and political solutions. The newly appointed UN commissioner for HR is also unknown for her stance. As part of its PR campaign, the govt must get proactive here. In order to reinforce to the world military option was necessitated due to the intransigence of LTTE. In order to do so, the govt must put forward a proposal that we know LTTE will never accept. The proposal should be to agree to a political solution respecting the territorial integrity of the entire island. There must also be one army, navy and air force. They must comeback within 2 weeks commencing this Friday. There will be no formal ceasefire, however assurance given there will be no major military push.

Why now? It will take at least 2 weeks for UN and other INGOs to withdraw. There will not be any major military action during this period anyway. If possible, the Muhmalai exit should be re-opened only for emergency patients after closure of Omanthai checkpoint. The govt must have an escape route for emergency patients. Muhmalai FDL can be opened because it will be dormant anyway for some time to come.

Bhairav said...

[His columns helped me to change my mind and go against iyaakam.]

Kaatikuduppan,

Other day you mentioned that "Manalaru" incident made you to have second thoughts about LTTE, now you say 2nd-tier column made you to go against LTTE. You certainly took these bloggers for ride, no doubt about it. If you fool others first time, then it is your fault, but if you fool them twice, then it is their fault, not yours.

Moshe Dyan said...

i have some respect for basil; but he is a politician anyway. he should know that NOTHING or NO ONE passes through OMANTHAI without LTTE's consent.

whatif the FDL moves northward? there will be another location along A9 that can be the new entry/exit point.

the LTTE will not like it and try to block it. but SLA is too strong for them.

SL said...

defensewire, in your previous article, you mentioned 12 black tigers, in this article you mentioned 11? Some sources say only 10 black tigers.

Shed some light on the exact # or is it a guess?

Foxtrott said...

J-7..........
You are right about SLAF pilots and skills.......thats why I hear the so called worlds best Air Force .....gets expert advise from SLAF on flying in SAM environment.
The Kfirs and the 27s are no match to the F15s F16s and the F18s on precition weopons delivery systems they have .but look at the amount of civilian deaths in NATO attacks in Afganistan..........Its the skill and determination of our SLAF pilots and ofcourse dont forget the ground crews who work tirelessly to keep these birds flying ........

Nihara said...
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Navindran said...

I do not think that the black cadre unit was key responsibility to destroy the radars. There was a arti sighting scope captured in the stuff they had. They were there to give correct coordinates to the arti batteries. To do so one has to infiltrate the concentric defences of the camp. It is in the last frame in the bottom right.

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080909_02
http://aruchuna.net/details.php?image_id=1319
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_observer

There is no way that with the weapons captured that they were responsible for the expolosions. In one instance the Special Forces say they allowed them to infiltrate and then surrounded them. Then where were the C4s or any explosives captured. The weapons they are carrying are really standard section infantry weapons.

Furthermore the fact that they were carrying few GPS kits was to zero their location and from that location give accurate information to the artillery units for weapon correction. The LTTE cannot have mustered so many guns and fired so many rounds for so long if they were only a back up. Unlike the army they also do not have sufficient guns.

There were 5 women in the operation. The Kutti Sri Mortar Brigade has a strong presence of women. Like in AAB the women's role was lesser of the men. There they took over the Anti Aircraft guns. Here they were used probabily due to their arti background and were responsible for sighting etc.

The gpmg is to hold onto to the area and give fire support when facing a large opposition. Hence the LTTE knew that once the arti fire started and with the accuracy of the rounds that their team of spotters would be deteted. Hence they were given the option to hold their position as long as it was necessary and perish at the location.

I am also suprised that the FDL duties are being carried out by the Special Forces. Special Force Team can be kept on standby. On infiltration they are alerted by the FDL troops and activated. If the army uses Special Forces for FDL duties then some top brass should be shot for that.

Foxtrott said...

"Unlike Iqbaal, who could sell his mother for money and various other reasons, DW reports are objective and very much focused."

Well the man doesnt know the differance between the PT-6 and the K-8 or for that matter ....F7 and the Mig 27........
You see he seems to be getting all his information from the ......senior Officers who are sidelines in the defence establishments for being non performers over the years....and under successive governments......hes starved of information and just writes for the sake of writing............
DBS Jeyaraj is a far better writer with better information ......

Navindran said...

My read of the assualt based on various information gathered and I could be wrong.

A team of LTTE Black cadres had infiltrated the camp as far as possible without being detected. They set up their stuff and started giving information to the arti units. The guns would have already being set based on previous recce information. Yup there should have been few recce trips before this attack.

Once the attack started base forces reacted. The army taking command of ari bases here shows they have paid dividends. One being a standby team of Special forces who unlike in AAB need not be flown in etc. Secondly the military units are more capable at defence and attack then their air force (base defence forces) counterparts.

The accuracy of the incoming arti would have alerted the team and they quickly moved to surround the black tigers. On confirming damage to the radars, the cadres who hae called in the air wing to hit probabily the HQ or important instalation which would possibily be out of the arti range. The camps are big and important instalations are always kept deep in.

At this stage whether the base radars or outside radars directed at mulaithivu (possibily even indian help)could have alerted the airforce that the air wing was airbone. This was due to the aftermath of trinco attack alerting to the possibility of mulaithivu as a launching pad. Also intelligence which has not been sucessful in gathering ground information in the Vanni region. Simple deducions who lead to belief mulaithivu who be the best location for a secretive launch pad.

The F-7 could have been on standby mode. However the LTTE dropped their payload and were turning back. The F-7 must have zeroed in on the Zlin.

Here the pilot must have locked his missle on the plane. However its suprising that he needed to ask permission to engage the target unless the command was held at the base or if he was not Sri Lankan.

However if he used the F-7's cannons to target the Zlin, i would believe it would have come down. Using the missile on the Zlin would have been ineffective. Maybe some enthuastic guy reported it out and the polticians banged on it. the Zlin would have also immediately dived to the ground from the attack as the pilot would have been scared shit.

Like Prabha got killed in an air raid story. making amountain out of a molehill. The people are telling that the FDL saw it, the now chenna caltivators were up at 3-4 am looking at the fireball.

Navindran said...

The pilot whether he did destroy or not the Zlin has put some fear into the LTTE Air Wing modus operandi. This is in a way a sucess. However the 2technicians as the Indian High commission official said were there to maintain the radars. They could be permanetly attached and the maintanece could be a cover story. Looks like the LTTE saw the possibilty that the radars were faulty to launch the attack.

The LTTE photos are taken months ahead of the operation. The black cadres need time before they can slowly be forward so deep into Army territory. The photo realeased is clearly photshopped to replace a person and this was done based on information of the cadres who have escaped.

Putting too much value into the photos is not use.

Navindran said...

In Sri Lanka today selling praise of Mahindha and family and telling lies keeps you safe. Unless you want to get bashed up by Mervyn or disappear in a white van.

Iqbal is a senior journalist. Yes you could accept a bit more indepth knowlege before he writes some stuff. However he still writes in this climate of indimidation. Chandrika did it to Island newspaper when she came to power.

The blog has been an easy avenue for internet news. How many people would turn their blog into a newspaper and publish this informaion to the masses without access to the facilities.

Alot of people do things for the sake of money. Basil wanted to deal for his brother with the LTTE and then today theu say they are the holy sons defending Sri Lanka. Do not shoot the messenger.

Konappu Bandara said...

Dear Patriots,
It would be nice if one of you chaps with access to such things can post an image of the bird that splashed the bogey with it's new kill flag.

Cheers!

Ali said...

Nice story Navindran .

It is Standard OP to request permission form command to fire for most well trained air forces . Remember Chena cultivators stay up to look after their crops . None of these stories are far fetched . all you have to do is to look at the LTTE sources and their deafening lack of information and the behavior of their lackeys to realize there was a huge debacle on their part .

Moshe Dyan said...

whatif tigers AGAIN shell the radar site?

they are VERY MUCH within the arti range and also within CLOSE ENOUGH range to target with ACCURACY.

they can come close to their side of the entry/exit point AS AND WHEN THEY CHOOSE.

buggers seem to be bloody DESPERATE to take out the radar.

1. black tigers
2. artilery
3. TAF

all aimed at ONE mission/location/time AND FAILED!! this won't be the last.

Navindran said...

Ali thanks for the compliments, here is something for B.Raman

While the Air Force version of the incident claimed that the Indian-supplied radar did not suffer any damage, the version given by the Sri Lankan Navy in its web site did admit some damage to the radar, but it claimed that it was slight. A web blog run by the Sri Lanka Naval Intelligence said: “ Reports indicated that the radar system was slightly damaged after a bomb fell close to it. Two Indian nationals operating the radar system were injured in the blast.”

Navindran said...

Even defencenet stated that they were artillery spotters under "LTTE aircraft intercepted over Mullaithiv"

Wonder who Raman has called a navy intelligence blog? He is former RAW and not stupid though I do not agree with some of the things he says. This is because he is Still a former RAW guy who likes to protect Indian intrest first. I take his words with a pinch of salt. He states all the stuff that the SLA gets from indian's enemies reflecting Indians frustrations.

Too bad that there were 2 indian technicians in the raid. Hence he got his update quite fast on what really happened. He is smart enough to mask the fact by qouting other sources. Guess Indian radars would have picked up the planes and they know wether they were downned too.

CASC said...

This article is about the Russian Army's response to the Georgians. The Russians simply bulldozed the Georgians with their sheer numbers.
Their tanks were 1970s vintage T-72s but their numbers were overwhelming. Ultimately with the LTTE, the SLA will overwhelm the LTTE with sheer numbers.

Old Russian Tanks Relied on 'Overwhelming' Force


http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/old-russian-tan.html

Defencewire said...

Thank you for your words of encouragement guys.

Perhaps writing directly on the blog is counter productive as writing mistakes don't get highlighted like word.

I don't think the Bottomline and its journalist Ruwan Weerakoon are a symbol of Sri Lankan journalism though. If they are, then journalism is at an all-time low in Sri Lanka.

saman,
Intake 18? hmmmm...

sl,
The number of killed at the final push is 11. SF believe another injured was with the team inside the base. We do not know of his whereabouts. Didn't you notice that defence.lk no longer says 10 killed?

Defencewire said...

navindran,

The radar station is in tact and fully operational. Simple truth is, if it was take out and the Zlin survived, who don't they launch another attack? If the radar is down, why wait two days? Are they afraid of AA canons? Why not drop a bomb on Jagath J's quarters with a Zlin?

Panhinda said...

/*
Putting too much value into the photos is not use.
*/

Except for the one that never appeared. All TAF operations thus far followed with a photo of the TAF 'Pilots' with the Thicha Thvilair. The last TAF op this photo conspicuously absent. What was the special event that stopped this pattern?

hiru said...

Keep up the good work DefenceWire…..we get the Best!!!

sisira said...

Vavuniya raid would not turn the tide-Trans Currents- 2008/09/11
THere are sOmE CommeNts on Defencewire ToOO......

I'm not gonna ask is it true or not..........

Panhinda said...
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Panhinda said...

/*
While the Sri Lankan Armed Forces repeatedly exaggerate their successes and play down their losses, the LTTE generally gives a factual account of the battles. Even if it did badly in the battles, it does not try to cover up its failures. This is one of the reasons for the high credibility enjoyed by the LTTE's statements in the eyes of its cadres, the Tamil population and diaspora abroad. The LTTE version of the Vavuniya operation has more credibility than the version put out by the Sri Lankan Armed Forces.

-Raman

*/

This is the opinion of external observers. It not that LTTE/TN does not lie, it just that is lies are believable unlike the stuff that appears on defence.lk. Most of the time defence.lk sounds childish in unprofessional. Their news has no 'quiet dignity' you expect from a government agency. Its as if the dumb basterd angry teeni bopper running around frothing in their mouth all the time.

Apino said...

Thanks again for the fine article.
Always pleasure to read the content and the reaction from some good bloggers.

Well said on the plagiarism. Agreed With Abilin.

I only wish you also volunteer your services to Defence.lk where the quality of writing is comparable to 5th graders, (not that my English is great): Every 5 words they trow in a word of terror/ terrorist.

I don't blame the military/ civilians writers employed by Defense Lk, but blame it on Banda who screwed the education of SL.

SL should declare an "English Day" and on that day we should take out the body of the Oxford educated Scumbag from under the stone in Horagolla, and put one more bullet in his head and say....this is vermin that sent the country backwards....

Most of SL's current problems can be traced back to this simple idiotic act....

While other countries( India, Malaysia Singapore are some examples) are putting the emphasis on English education, our young are fed with Ummanga Jathakaya and Guthilakawyaa till Year 11. God bless them when they reach university level, where everything is done in English.

Cheers

Prasad P said...
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Apino said...

Hi Panhinda

Thanks for that Story. Hats off to Lasantha.

Apino said...

Hi Amma Gahai/Gahawi

Fantastic writing and well said. I cannot control my laughter. Its fine piece of historic analysis mixed with good pun.

Cheers Mate

Sam Perera said...

I find this Tamilnet article about SLAF bombing middle of Kilinochchi is amazing.

Sri Lanka Air Force (SLAF) Kfir bombers attacked Ki'linochchi town Wednesday around 7:00 a.m., wounding a 90-year-old man and a 11-year-old boy and causing damage to 23 houses. A 23-year-old pregnant mother was to be operated due to fetal death, caused by the bombardment and a 1-year-old child was admitted in fainted state, medical sources said. The attack has taken place at the heart of the town where NGO offices, residences, civilian facilities and other offices are located. The Sri Lankan bombers fired 16 bombs and deployed lethal air bursts, causing wide destruction. NGO office of Seva Lanka and a store of OXFAM are located 100 meters from the attack site.

Despite all the use of high power bombs with air burst charges, only 3 injuries were reported. Buildings as close as 100m remain intact. To some reason, these bombs magically appear to be acting in very small area.

Tin said...

DW,

Like the most of the others, the first thing I do in the morning is to check DW before going ahead with regular office work. And these days you make me delighted with updates everyday. :)

We are well aware that it might be hard for you to do that, but you make all the patriots on their heels with more thirst for news by doing so.

Most important thing is that you(and DN) filled up the void between propaganda(both by GOSL & LTTE) and biased reporting by various ‘journalists’ with most reliable and up-to-date information. So we really appreciate you effort. Please keep it up for the sake of our motherland and the heros who fought/fighting for the country.

cheers

Ranil said...

navindran
of course you're wrong on many things. it's pretty obvious you have very little knowledge on how a professional military operates...
all you "guesses" about how things "happened" is based on nothing but fantasy and what seems to be very little experience if at all any on the topic.

Tin said...

@ moshe

[whatif tigers AGAIN shell the radar site?]

Same thing worries me mate. Even though we move the radars bit further it’ll be still within their arty range as they know the approximate coordinates.

I see your point about Omanthai entry/exit point. Better if we could move ahead and dislodge arty positions or their ability to get us within arty range.

Navindran said...

Defencewire, why do you think they used the Zlins. Its only to go to places where it will require more manpower and losses to achieve an objective. Hence as I said once and again I do not think the ZLins were meant to take out the radars. Its probabily something else within the camp possibly the HQ or commanders bunker.

The issue is that the Air force managed to track and possibly target the Zlins. Do you think the LTTE is stupid enough to relaunch the planes now that they know this has happened.

That is why I said that they have to rethink their modus operandi. Secondly thats why i said its a sucess for the air force in that sense.

Navindran said...

During the first world war Zlin type low level planes were intially used as Arti spotters. It was along the war did they add machine guns and then mature to their uses in the 2nd world war.

I do not think the Zlins were used as spotters. The reaction of the airforce is also typical as ramman said in his article.

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

Boys: Thank you..Thank you …Thank you….. No photos pls!!! : ))

Wijayapala: was not meant for ya

Navindran: mate, u r the funniest!!!!

Navindran said...

Pro LTTE sites do not necessarily lie. They often do not report a loss. Example they do not report the loss of towns so far. Thats why the Pro LTTE crowd comes to defencewire to read about the happenings.

Defence establishment on the other hand overplay their victories due to politicial pressure. Mahindha and gang are no different. Maybe if a son/daughter to serve in the front line or the person themsleves needs to have unifrm experience is set as a pre requiste, some of the goons would not be allowed into politics.

Tin said...

@ navindran

Yes. I also think that Zlins were only a diversion here, just like the AAB attack. The black tigers were the main strike force.

Given the accuracy of a bombing run with a Zlins specially under the cover of dark Its hard to believe that tigers will rely on Zlins for the main objective of a operation like this.



And even with we got one of the tiger plane down it again proved that we should rely more on missiles(at least MANPADs) rather than AA guns!!!

Navindran said...

Ranil, I guess you served in a military outfit. I do not wish to argue. I cannot accept certain things as it sounds illogical to me. If it can be explained logically i will. The sad part of Sri lankans is they are willing to believe what they want to live in their cocoon. This goes with the Pro Ltte or Pro government crowds.

Panhinda said...

navindran,

/* Pro LTTE sites do not necessarily lie. */

Goebbels caught with 'pants' down...
http://tinyurl.com/5vbkvv

There are others as well. All you have to do is ask.

Sinna Thambi said...

Navindran,

Some of your thoughts are interesting but,

10-15 Black Tigers are to give correct coordinates to the arti batteries is really a joke.

If the assumption was made based on the number of Male-Female Black tigers, you are utter Idiot.

Alcman said...

Nicely Done our brothers in the arms.. Thank you DW,

Sinna Thambi said...

DW,

If the zlins were clearly shown in the radar, then the Operations Control Room staff could be able to see the F7 engage with the Zlins though the Radar.

So, kindly can you give us even the Radar images please???

Apino said...

Here is a suggestion,

Do we have to get personal when we correct a mistake of another blogger?

I don't think so. Its apparent all the participants here are not of military background, thus one should expect some "Stupid" comments for which I too am guilty of.

Most of the time I see unnecessary personal remarks are mixed in to good responses.

While we come from different professional backgrounds, there is one thing that unite us: that's the love for the country and hunger for accurate (as possible) news. So the humble suggestion is avoid attacking one another, where its not warranted.

Such Vitriol is better spent on the enemy ( I don't mean to shower their agents with copious amounts of filth)

After all most of this corrective responses must be coming from military bigwigs(ex/ present), thus such people can afford to cut us some slack.

Cheers all

Shyam said...

Vavuniya raid : By B. Raman
[Wednesday, 2008-09-10 21:26:12]
The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), which is increasingly under pressure due to a war of attrition waged against it by the Sri Lankan Armed Forces in the areas controlled by it in the Northern Province, launched a surprise land-cum-air attack on a vital military complex of the armed forces at Vavuniya, about 260 kms North of Colombo, in the early hours of September 9,2008. Even after allowing for the usual exaggeration by the spokesmen of the Armed Forces in projecting the progress made by them, it is evident from independent reports that the LTTE has been forced to fight a defensive battle to retain the territory under its control and to prevent a weakening of its conventional capability due to the loss of its weapons holdings during the battle and its inability to replenish them through smuggling from abroad. While the morale of the LTTE's experienced officers and cadres remains high, it has not been able to reverse the tide of the battle against the armed forces. Even its wing responsible for mounting acts of terrorism in Sinhalese territory has been facing difficulty in mounting spectacular terrorist strikes due to a shortage of cadres trained in suicide terrorism and low stocks of explosives. While the Army's oft-repeated hopes of being able to defeat the LTTE decisively on the ground by the end of this year seem over-optimistic, the tide of the war continues to be in favour of the army. There are two questions involved---- defeating the LTTE conventionally and destroying its capability for continuing its struggle for Tamil Eelam through acts of terrorism. The achievement of both these objectives will depend upon a critical weakening of the morale and motivation of the LTTE officers and cadres, leading to increasing desertions and splits in the organisation. There are no signs of such a weakening of the morale and motivation. Despite the repeated and ruthless use of air strikes against the LTTE by the Sri Lankan Air Force (SLAF) and despite the vast superiority in numbers and equipment of the armed forces due to regular flow of supplies from Pakistan, China, Israel and even India, the LTTE has been fighting doggedly, inflicting increasingly heavy casualties on the Army, which is not admitted by the Government. Thus, the attrition is on both sides. The only advantage enjoyed by the Army is that it is able to make good the attrition through material procured from Pakistan, China, Israel and India with money given by Iran, whereas the LTTE has not been able to make good the attrition. The continuing strong morale and motivation of the LTTE officers and cadres and their ability to take the armed forces by surprise became once again evident from the spectacular and audacious attack jointly mounted by the planes, the artillery and suicide commandoes of the LTTE on the Vavuniya military complex, which co-ordinates the operations of the Armed Forces against the LTTE. It was as spectacular and audacious as a similar attack on an SLAF base at Anuradhapura in October last year and as well-planned and well-executed. The operation, which lasted about three hours, started with a sustained artillery attack in the dead of night followed by bombing by two aircraft ( Zlin 143 )of the LTTE and this was followed by the infiltration of the complex by 10 suicide commandoes (Black Tigers), five of them women. All of them died during the attack, but not before killing 11 personnel of the security forces and badly damaging the equipment kept in the complex, including an Indra radar supplied by India. Among those injured were two Indian radar technicians. It is not clear whether they had been permanently attached to the radar station or come there on a short visit to do the periodic maintenance of the radar. The injuries sustained by the two Indian technicians were not life threatening, but required initial hospitalisation at Colombo. While the LTTE has stated that both its aircraft returned safely to base, the SLAF has claimed that one of its fighter planes (F-7s) ,which had taken off from the Katunayake airfield near Colombo on gettng information of the approach of the LTTE planes ,managed to chase one of them as they were returning to their base after the bombing and shot it down over the skies in the LTTE-controlled Mullaittivu area. However, the SLAF spokesman ( Squadron Leader Sanjaya Adhikari ) admitted that it had no video coverage of this engagement in proof of its claim. As it did after the Anuradhapura raid of last year, the SLAF has tried to project the LTTE raid as a fiasco, which failed in its objective. However, independent reports say that as had happened in the past, the SLAF was once again taken by surprise and was slow to react. The LTTE aircraft managed to drop their load of bombs in the vicinity of the radar station and flee from the scene without being intercepted by the SLAF planes. While the Air Force version of the incident claimed that the Indian-supplied radar did not suffer any damage, the version given by the Sri Lankan Navy in its web site did admit some damage to the radar, but it claimed that it was slight. A web blog run by the Sri Lanka Naval Intelligence said: “ Reports indicated that the radar system was slightly damaged after a bomb fell close to it. Two Indian nationals operating the radar system were injured in the blast.” The two LTTE aircraft were over the complex for about six minutes. During this period, any SLAF aircraft taking off from Katunayake could not have reached Vavuniya and intercepted the LTTE aircraft. While the Sri Lankan Armed Forces repeatedly exaggerate their successes and play down their losses, the LTTE generally gives a factual account of the battles. Even if it did badly in the battles, it does not try to cover up its failures. This is one of the reasons for the high credibility enjoyed by the LTTE's statements in the eyes of its cadres, the Tamil population and diaspora abroad. The LTTE version of the Vavuniya operation has more credibility than the version put out by the Sri Lankan Armed Forces. Even if it is established that the radar has been severely damaged, if not destroyed, this should not affect the on-going ground operations of the Sri Lankan Army. The mastery of the skies enjoyed by the SLAF during day time ensures that the LTTE planes could not pose a threat to the troops engaged in battle. The absence of a radar would not also affect the punitive air strikes made repeatedly by the SLAF on LTTE-held positions. The successful Vavuniya raid would be a morale-booster for the LTTE cadres, but would not turn the tide of the battle against the armed forces. (10-9-08) (The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. E-Mail: seventyone2@gmail.com )

Moshe Dyan said...

sham,

"Even its wing responsible for mounting acts of terrorism in Sinhalese territory has been facing difficulty in mounting spectacular terrorist strikes due to a shortage of cadres trained in suicide terrorism and low stocks of explosives."

complete bullshit.

the reality is "white vans".

"Thus, the attrition is on both sides. The only advantage enjoyed by the Army is that it is able to make good the attrition through material procured from Pakistan, China, Israel and India with money given by Iran, whereas the LTTE has not been able to make good the attrition."

again bullshit.

in war of attrition what matters MOST is the EXTERMINATION of one group. access to money (and therefore weapons) is secondary. LTTE will not run out of money but WILL (in future) run out of cadres. the writer tries to cover up this eventuality.

B#1 said...

Shyam,

Thank you for your expert comment. Keep them flowing. :)

Ninja said...

//top ltte leader confirmed killed...information is trickling...no need for excitement but something surely happned...An SF exclusive...// -specialforce(LNP)

Based on my experiance with this guy most probably either poddu amman has left the place few mins ago or he was there few meters away.

thambala said...

Here is a good argument to not to "rush" in...

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080911_03

As a friend who visited Ampara told me LTTErs have dissolved in to the population. For example they have wathu (i.e sort of shanti towns) where there are the LTTErs have disappeared in to..

Ranil said...

Tin
my personal opinion is that the latest Zlin flyby is mainly too boost their sagging morale both locally and internationally. The other is of course as a diversion.
normal SLA troops are not very happy about the presence of Zlins cos they feel like it's a foe they cant deal with...not with their usual armaments. sort of a fear psychosis for our own troops.
I heard that some bombs dropped by the Zlins were duds... seems to be happening again and again to LTTE...
There targeting "accuracy" seems to have improved so had one of those bombs landed smack on the target things would be different...
Zlins have always been a mistary since we could never shoot one down until recently, we didn't know where they were based, whose flying them etc etc...
Them making SLAF red in the face even after processing superior equipment has always worked to please the diaspora. A main component in their funding.
Looking at places like LNP, even after one Zlin going down and the other probably taking multiple gunfire hits... LTTE has pleased the diaspora achieveing their objective :)
just my 2 cents

assasinrajive said...

..awaa awaaa!

greatings all!!
mervin saranaai..!

ammapaa umbalata barideyak nahaneeda...?

hapy sinhalayaa is the one who listen to "suranganaa kathaa" and believe it!

happy sinhalayaa is the one who can find some one to blame for his all the problems!

assasinrajive said...

..anee i-thing thopi roth-thata (shell-gas + preema company + pawsige oil) mee thung saranee saranaai..!

this story is no better than the story of "wet-san mirikaa wathura gath-thu" sinhala boys story!

b`cos as the wet-sand story, nobody have seen it but heard it from some body Else who claimed to be seen it!

amma=paa umabalata "piduru samaga punnakku" haaree rasaai needa!

this "some body" who seen it is always out of our reach! this time in mulathivee jungle!


now who comes to jungle mulathivee with me for a expedition to find this "some body"!!

assasinrajive said...

DW , DW, DW,

mennoo!!.. mung kunu-harupa kiyannai yanneee!

oyath maaaarai..! meyaaa!
..ltte ekata wada koranawada manndaa!
muntaa daily punnakku kawannaa oyaata koti hondata gewanawaaa athi needa?..
nothing personal kolloo vihluwatai keewe!..

B#1 said...
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B#1 said...

[assasinrajive said...

..Han Gorak..!..
Thopi samata.. Mevin... Saranai..!
ammapaa umbalata kawadha hari therei me rata hadanna puluwan Ranil mahaththayata withrai kiyala.. umbalata... Shell Gas pihitai....

...Therei kal yai...]


Hak Hak Hak... I thought this bastard is a Ranil's Gal Kollek..
Is Ranil a bisexual person????

B#1 said...

assasinrajive,

Why did you delete the post (brother?) ??

lankaputhra said...

Something fishy about yesterday’s air attack on LTTE intelligence center… just imagine 16 houses damaged one with Satellite Antenna…and only 3 civilian got hurt …LTTE says it because they all in bunkers ..see the damaged caused …quite remarkable …I think something happened there…
When you see the house with antenna and solar panels I do not think it belongs to normal civilian it must be someone special….
Good work by SLAF…

lankaputhra said...

THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT ....

http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/members/space/index.jsp?id=specialforce

VictoryLion said...

B.Raman's article as blogged by "Shyam the Sham" brings up quite a few interesting points.. First of all he claims that the 10 suicide attackers in Vavuniya were responsible for all the SLDF deaths reported before they were cornered and killed. That brings up the question, does that mean that the 60-80 artillery shells that every one seems to agree on as having fallen in or around the camp did not cause any deaths???
He also claims that the LTTE figures are factual and the MOD is grossly exaggerated to favour the SLDF! What is this man talking about? Get your head out of your ass dude! I totally believe the that the Truth is the first casualty of war, but to claim that the LTTE is a more credible source for news just is the most absurd claim ever! Well apparently his source of information is the RAW. When you consider that this is the same agency that nurtured and mentored the LTTE in its infancy its no wonder that they still follow their paternal instinct of being partial towards them!
Have these so called military and humanitarian experts of the world forgotten that its the SLDF that are laying their lives down to save this country and all its people from the clutches of the most facist, brutal terrorist organisation in the world? Well Raman and his Tiger sympathisers can believe whoever.. For the rest of us here DW will do fine thanks...

PHANTOM-X said...

LTTE's mission was a failure( I dont think it's a total faliure )...there goal was to do maximum damage to the Indra Radar system or Destroy the wanni command, did they succeed...?
No..!

They managed to Infiltrate

They manged to direct arti

they mange to kill 10 or 11 SL Defence personal

causing injury to 2 indians and some civilians

causing damage to the runaway

In the process all the Black tiger cadres got killed

One Zling kissed the earth (debatable)

one artillary gun destroyed (debatable)

Captured some weapons

This is an eye opener for the Defence forces. these attacks can be avoided simply by being vigilant. Katunayaka, anuradhapura, and Vavuniya..all happend because there was no one to sound the alarm. we need more sentry...!!!

assasinrajive said...

b#i..umbalata ranilgen thora lowak naha needa..!

hama reddatama ranilata banapiya!

happy sinhala is the one who blame some one for all of his problem!!

umbata mervin pihitaai!

assasinrajive said...

,,dakka wagee api kiyamu boruu!

who comes with me to jungle mulathivee!

ammapaa umbalata brideyak naha needa??

Manoj said...

Yeah,
We are reading DW its web based wel known blog. An unforunatly some fuc....ing jounalists who are working for some private Company news papers copy cat DW article and put under their name. Including Riwan Weerakona, Keerthy Warnakulasooriya, Ranga (Lak bima News) and many follish writers depening on DW.

I think DW shoul put add on the top od their site saying " If you fool Journalis you can put and publish all of contect of the DW under your name" .

So funny Sri Lankan journalism. This only answer to second commnet.
Thanks,
Comment by nor meber of DW but Im also obser all of Defence Column in Sri Lanka

kapptipola said...

Tamil net :
"The Sri Lankan Government, though it talks big about its concern for the displaced people in Vanni, does nothing more than make available to these people the meagre food items provided under the United Nations World Food Programme," said R. Sampanthan, the parliamentary

- Why Sri Lankan Government pay salary for these bastards our whole 30 years spent for Extrimst Thamils and save innocents thamils from extrimst thamils we still paying them from our Tax what these guys did for the Sri Lanka. are they earn any cent for country. these TNA pigs havent spinal code ...all are Prabakaran's Muffets ... we know pain in your ass.juts go and fu# ur self. thats gd than wankin around your own people.

Navindran said...

Sinna Thambi did you understand what i am trying to say.

"10-15 Black Tigers are to give correct coordinates to the arti batteries is really a joke.

If the assumption was made based on the number of Male-Female Black tigers, you are utter Idiot."


Firstly 10-15 black tigers are not necessary to give coordinates but they are there to give support till the line falls thats why there are gpmg etc. Maybe you should read my comments. Unfortunately I write sometimes without realising that my post are split and not my train of thought.

Do you really read what i have read. LTTE has never used so many female cadres in one mission before. Kutti brigade is a women wing. They were also probabily the "cheapest" to scarfice for such a mission. The men were for other roles.

You need to have basic military knowledge an analyse my statements before you comment as such. Even when the Israelis use females, they often do not go for frontline roles.

Navindran said...

Panhinda tamilnet articles do not necessarily lie does not mean they never lie. The gist of my point is that they do not report their defeats. Do you get all the losses of the Sri lankan forces in any website expect that of Tamilnet. Example 4 soldiers killing their comrades in a mistaken ambush. The fact is even when people come here and discredit defencewire or called tamilnet tamilnut, they still go and read because you never are confident of whether what is being said is the whole truth.

Do you think B Raman has no agenda for India on his writtings. There is no such thing as unbaised reporting. The best you can get is from a third party with no intrest in the conflict. B.Raman wants to hit Sri Lanka but at the end he adds a sweetner that LTTE will not win. He wants to not upset certain elements but still hit Sri lanka.

kapptipola said...

"Bush argued that Iraq is in a better place now by almost any measure. He
said violence is at its lowest point since the spring of 2004, ``normal
life is returning to communities across the country,'' and political
reconciliation is moving forward. -George W Bush "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7783819
-----------------------------------

it is war in Iraq and US President no violence comparing with Sadam Hussain regime.
This is War in our own country not for couple of years since past 30 years .do we want to give it next generation and live like dogs where country we born or wipe out this barbarian brutal Killers .

Lion777 said...

assasinrajive,

Thank you for contributing. You are an asset to all bloggers. Please keep on writing and give your valuable insight to DW readers as it will help us to understand everything better.

Gona unata kamak nehe..habai thappu landa epa….. I feel many DW readers have the same feeling.

mohan said...

Defencewire

"The radar station is in tact and fully operational. Simple truth is, if it was take out and the Zlin survived, who don't they launch another attack? If the radar is down, why wait two days? Are they afraid of AA canons? Why not drop a bomb on Jagath J's quarters with a Zlin?"

Emotional argument,

i would like ask a questions.

Before Active Radar in vavunia, F7 + night flying capability + A2A missiles , did TAF fly over Colombo daily ?

assasinrajive said...

..ammapaa...umbath araa "wet-sand" mirikapuu sinhala kollaa wagee!

umbalata yakoo barideyak nathihati!!


piduru samaga punnakku hari rasssaida?
the way u shot the "zlin" is no different to the way u "killed" thalivarr..no?

in ww2 JAPNEES bomb u out of Colombo, r ran to villages to hide in the jungle blaming "suddaa and his war"!!!


but now when thalivarr bomb u, u have no where to run, no jungles to hide, and more importantly no one to blame but only to u r self!!

haada-morak,...han-gorak..!!

Apino said...

Another Putty Tatt bites the dust......
"...........A PRE-DAWN strike of the troops against a secret stronghold used by hardcore Tiger terrorists in KILALY Forward Defence Line (FDL) area around 3.00 a.m."

Well done folks....Welma Done!!!!!!

http://www.army.lk/morenews.php?id=16177

Lion777 said...

assasinrajive,

Thank you for contributing. You are an asset to all bloggers. Please keep on writing and give your valuable insight to DW readers as it will help us to understand everything better.

Gona unata kamak nehe..habai thappu landa epa….. I feel many DW readers have the same feeling.

Sinna Thambi said...

Navindran,

"they are there to give support till the line falls thats why there are gpmg etc. "

You are telling same thing again and again by changing some words. And you are indirectly telling all the Black tigers did their duty successfully. lol

Giving the correct coordinates
to the arti batteries can be a part of their role, may me 2 black tigers for that role.

(oru kallin erendu mangai..)

But their key responsibility could be get into the base and doing the maximum destruction.

again you are talking about the women black tigers......

I believe at present out of all black tigers more than 75% are women.

(aanai vida pennukke unarchigal athigam..)

---

At the end of the day (sinhala or tamil) we lose good brave young people of the Nation. This is very sad.

assasinrajive said...

..yagha-daa wen pahara gasaa muuda debaa keruwalu kolloo!

wali mirikaa wathura gaththalu kolloo!

ibbek paara cros kolaa!
kolloo uuwa mus kolaaa!

can you "weera kollanee" shoot a flying objects?

Lion777 said...

If you need to win a war, you need to understand it.

You cannot take or accept what you see. Always, there is a bigger picture which you fail to see or understand.

DW is trying to report what has happened and insight to the whole episode (may not be the 100% truth as that should not end up in this page anyway) where as can you find a single website which does it from the other side.

For LTTE, there are no middle paths. Either you are with me or you are with the enemy. This could be a strength for 2 decades, but with time, I think, this will be proven to be disastrous for LTTE.

assasinrajive said...

..ammapaa...umbath araa "wet-sand" mirikapuu sinhala kollaa wagee!

umbalata yakoo barideyak nathihati!!


piduru samaga punnakku hari rasssaida?
the way u shot the "zlin" is no different to the way u "killed" thalivarr..no?

in ww2 JAPNEES bomb u out of Colombo, r ran to villages to hide in the jungle blaming "suddaa and his war"!!!


but now when thalivarr bomb u, u have no where to run, no jungles to hide, and more importantly no one to blame but only to u r self!!

haada-morak,...han-gorak..!!

assasinrajive said...

..i have to go now!

but

i
will
be
back !

as-thala-vis-thahaaaaaaaaaa!

until then enjoy "punnakku samaga piduru" boys! if u feel borng try "mirikanda sand" ...!!

Riyaz said...

Guys Something is fishy abt yesterday's aerial attack in Kili pussy intel HQ, SF from LNP is reporting something to that effect and there is def. something fishy, looks like SLAF scored a hit there too. But details are not revealed yet. And there was radio silence from the pussies for a long time according SF and MI. Hope to get the good news soon.

B#1 said...

assasinrajive, Kol Galla...

Machan umabalata Maithreee gen avulak neddh ban..? (Oh Ekita Ravi gahanawa ne..)

Macho mage yahaluvek One-Shot_wa handunanawa.. ooth umabata monawahari hiriharayak karanna awoth kiyapan, mama shape karannam.

assasinrajive said...

b#1...

r u trubled?..

umbee prashnaa wisadena waanam mata banapan..kamak nahthoo!!

..wali-mirikapiya!!
..mudaa debaa karaiya!

but make sure u shoot well next time!

han gorakaaaa!

admin said...

Guys let this mental case to shout as loud as he can, "coz he doesn't have much time..........

Pawneeeeee..........

lankaputhra said...

Good stuff
Made in Sri lanka.

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=25990

bungu said...

Rajive's assassin,

War is certainly not going in the way as you expected. You show signs of desperation.

Read tamilnet.tv for a change!

MrBrown said...
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Puppet Mask said...

DW,

You guys are super! Thanks for what you are doing. Please be extra careful to not to disclose who you are.
Like forces battling in north you are a hero in cyber information battle countering tamilnut propaganda.
We believe what you are reporting is the truth or close to the truth unlike many other sources.

Moving on to war, you mentioned we managed to destroy one of their arti using WLR system. Can you clarify more. Isn't this a significant victory, because they must have moved arti from Pooneryn?

Puppet Mask said...

what's wrong with this looser mrbrown? are you the same mrbrown in lankanewspapers?
you must be having bad dreams that site hits going down?

Corey said...
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deborak said...

Hi Elias Corey

You said

"It seems to me that Tamils, in general, are suffering froma massive inferiority complex - "

Could you please remove this , a very polite request. We are against terrorism and the brutal Sun_Goat, but not with the tamils.

After all please ask this question:

Lakshman Kadirgammar is a Tamil, and has he got an inferior complex.

Everybody has some sort of inferior complexity, you can't help. Ultimately we have to live together as Sri Lankans not Sinhalese and Tamils. No offence.

Puppet Mask said...

Corey, please remove the comment. Most of us got many Tamil friends, neighbours and perhaps relatives

MrBrown said...

[ Puppet Mask said...
Corey, please remove the comment. Most of us got many Tamil friends, neighbours and perhaps relatives ]
U seems to be very nice guy..Anyway buddy better warm up now by reading my post..when u get home u will be at peak..:.-)
wish u a wonderful night buddy.

Regards
MrBrown LNP

Corey said...
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Ranil said...

Lankaputhra
those arrow boats are awesome. powered by twin 250hp outboard motors...
damn fast and quite nippy :)

Corey said...

Got it guys! I deleted my comment. You are all nice people, and I may have done the opposite to an act of compassion by posting it. But, let this part of my comment remain:

Please leave people like 'assasin' alone. Getting into useless dialog with him is a waste of time and anyway - some of you must be Buddhists - please show him compassion. Perhaps his mind will calm down.
Metta!
EC

Ranil said...

bomb explosion in kelaniya

Ranil said...

Blast on railway track - Sedawatte

A blast has been reported in the Sedawatte area , in Orugodawatte short while ago. According to the information, the blast has been taken place on the railway track close to the Kelaniya railway bridge. More

information will follow.. .

defence.lk

LKDOOD said...

Explosion in Welempitiya
Police says suspected explosion close to railway track near Black Bridge in Welempitiya.

LKDOOD said...

no damage

Apino said...

Lankaputhra,

Thanks for the "arrow" link.

Indeed wonderful stuff. Good see some local talent being used for a local problem.

Cheers

NOLTTE=Peace said...

This mentally retarded Mr. Brown /Ruwani impersonator should be put-down with a rabies injection.

This shows the pathetic state of Eelam Tamils (not the Tamils in general).

PHANTOM-X said...

This Ass-IS-IN-RAJIVE is the official mouth peice of da LTTE ! like all da mentally retarded Eeelamists...he is here to do his job...that is, to change the mindset of the people. by changing the mindset they think, they can reverse the ongoing assault on Tigers.
He is using the Gobels theory...thats why he is repeating the same thing allover again...He wants us to believe DW people are liars...He thinks that Tami Eelam is achievable and the pro LTTE sites are more Reliable...

Day before yesterday (9th September )this morally bankrupt asshole wrote...


now i have to go all the way from here to mulathivee jungle to find the truth?????..

what happened to MBRL stationed at the camp..??
i heard they all gone in smoke!!
DW, DW, DW!..SIR any more of "boru" over this??


September 9, 2008 1:27 PM

MBRL's hmmm...poosa mallen eliyata panala me gona danneth na...!!! ane gono...!!!

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IntelAttack said...

assasinrajive,

As some commenter here told once,

You people are so equal to spectators who cheer for every 1 run even their team is gonna loose the match.

Remember! This is the situation you are in at the moment!

- You have only 1 wicket and 1 over.

- You have to score 100 runs in order to avoid an innings defeat.

- But even if you score 100 you lose.

Understand the situation, You are going to lose the match!

Defencewire said...

About this Indian 'expert',
I will tell you now, naval intel does not run a blog. Not even MIC has a blog or even a website. Someone has either tricked Raman or he has tricked himself. The reason WE are running a blog is that it keeps us safe FROM BOTH SIDES. Not that these fellows can bump us off that easy, but it helps us do what we do when we are anonymous. Believe me, neither side wants this type of detail getting out.

Some of our readers, from both sides rejected us from time to time because it made them feel uncomfortable when 'their side's' dismal performance was revealed. But now we can see people realizing where we come from and are starting to engage us with their heads rather than their emotions. We salute you for that and encourage you to do more of that. We firmly believe that the day we drop our emotions and start seeing things the way they really are, we will make our country better place for everyone.

perein said...

DW-

Some of our readers, from both sides rejected us from time to time because it made them feel uncomfortable when 'their side's' dismal performance was revealed. But now we can see people realizing where we come from and are starting to engage us with their heads rather than their emotions. We salute you for that and encourage you to do more of that. We firmly believe that the day we drop our emotions and start seeing things the way they really are, we will make our country better place for everyone.

You are absolutely right.
Ignore the some ignorant rats, keep up the good work.

Country need you...
We need you ...

Unfortunatly we can only say "THANK YOU" for your hard work....

Apino said...

DW,

Well said

Like Perin, said we can only say thank you.

Cheers

ravana said...

who wants cake!!!!directly from the yesterdays SLAF attack.huh huh haaaaa...more news to come..nightmare!!!!

DW can u please explain according to some base officers
was INDRA R now totaly dispos..please corrrect me if i wrong,but for some others officers it isnt why is that..

2.

IntelAttack said...

DefenceWire,
We salute you!

ravana said...

any way gyus wait till two more days.what i heard so far is unbelivable.for the past 18/20 hours inteceptors hearing so mnay
things.dont be overwhelmed it isnt pottu or praba but huh big one..

anyway another brave 3sF reurns to the base yesterday evening after what i called fantastic attack.beleive me one is only 21 years of age but for the past two days he ate nothing ...i am waitng a word from vanni..i am sure this time we ve got biggy..

perein said...

ravana-
Go on take the stage and educate all of us with the show.
We all waitting...

IntelAttack said...

ravana,

Yes mate! Its just that 'TamilNet' has to do the official announcement! :)

dhanushka said...

assasinrajive,

If you dont have anything valuable to add to this blog just leave..

Umba boruwata sinhalen liwwata, sure ekatala kotiyek erapu ekeda koheda.. nethnam kotiyek ge bada wecchi amma kenek ge daruwek da koheda..

Corey said...

Guys,
Once again, lease leave people like 'assasinrajiv' alone. Getting into useless dialog with people like this is a waste of time and anyway - some of you must be Buddhists - please show him compassion. Perhaps his mind will calm down.
Elias Corey, USA

VictoryLion said...

According to lankadeepa.lk, aid agency workers arriving at Omanthai have cofimed that the LTTE intelligence office took direct hits from the SLAF bombs yesterday!!!

Panhinda said...

Looks like the results are out!

http://tinyurl.com/3se8a2

Ali said...

Guys . Athas says that the radar was damaged and was replaced by a unit from Katu .

Any truth to that ?

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