The Army will shortly declare the liberation of Elephant Pass, a garrison lost years ago. It will be a historic victory in this sector and the 53 and 55 have been given the opportunity to raise the lion flag and their share of the victory.
Clearing operations are being finalized at EPS. A Major was killed by a boobytrap but other than that, no serious incidents have occurred since the capture of Soranpattu. The 58 and 53 will not meet up. The former started moving east of Paranthan via Murusamoddai towards Chalai/Mulaitivu.
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DW
"PUTTU AMMAN HANDED TO SF"
I found this info
can you confirm this
http://www.mawbimanews.com/2009/01/pottu-amman-surrenders.html
Lanka Dakshina said..
["PUTTU AMMAN HANDED TO SF"
I found this info
can you confirm this]
I doubt the authenticity of this very much. Even more than VP, Pottu Amman is responsible for Rajiv's death. Even if he is spared by SL, he will not be spared by India.
My guess is that he will escape, or has already escaped, with VP to Tamil Nadu, or elsewhere.
Pure speculation on my part, of course!
please dont help in the spread of unconfirmed rumors .
Rivira has already gone back on the report. Mahen is scratching his balls in disgust .
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2009/01/south-asia-terrorism-portal-sri-lankan.html
Braman finally crying.. surprisingly he didn't refuse the said allegations, or disprove them either.
Mr ALi
I am not spreading anything here, this is from Mawbimanews which is listed in infolanka news page with the defence wire
I wanted to know the truth, dontget pissed
http://www.mawbimanews.com/2009/01/pottu-amman-surrenders.html
@ VP was injured (confirmed -SF@LNP)
@ Soosei to surrender with 1000 (ST@LNP)
@ Poddu Amman defected (SF/ST @LNP)
@ VP escaped via sea (rivira)
IF any of these are true, then .. great.
IF none of them are true, then.. no problem..
LD
Mawbima Lanka is probably copied it from SF@LNP. As I know, they don't have their own sources they just reproduce news.
Patriots,
Put you in their boots to figure out what they will do. If not for anybody else, Velu and Pottu Amman will try to escape. Surrender is the last thing they will do since there is a price for their heads. The lower tier leaders like Bhanu, Soosai, Amuthab, Theepan, Ram etc may opt to surrender. The lower ranks will most certainly die in the final war. However, if what SF at LNP says is true that Velu is injured and Pottu is captured then it is a great triumph for us. Hope that MI will get enough info before showing him the Eelam. By the way, if you read Tissa Ravindra's artcle in Rivira on 2009-01-11, he talks about the new task force 6 which will become 66th division. SF@LNP mentioned this a few weeks ago. Neither DW nor DN have spoken of it at all.
I have a un-easy feeling with whats going on in SL.
Rumour, Speculation call it what you may Colombo is expecting something big.
I HOPE I'M PROVED WRONG
I have a un-easy feeling with whats going on in SL.
Rumour, Speculation call it what you may Colombo is expecting something big.
I HOPE I'M PROVED WRONG
President MR will prefer VP dead than capture him alive. MR will not want the embarrassement of VP (similiar to Karuna and even worse)to start making "horse deals"
President MR will prefer VP dead than capture him alive. MR will not want the embarrassement of VP (similiar to Karuna and even worse)to start making "horse deals"
pardon me for the twin post.
Looks to me Mawbima has copied from Mahen's blog with out missing a single word.
Started to wonder how many of these web sites displays the verified info.
I can't believe you guys give credence to Mahen's blog.
Its like believing every word that Daily Noose spews out
If VP is captured RW will try hard to liberate him. Remember his boss Premadasa said once Prabhakaran is our brother and we don't want to hand over 'brothers' to India?
[ Some people feel that anyone who questions the government's actions are automatically rebel-sympathisers and enemies of the state
Saroj Pathirana,
BBC Sinhala service]
Stupid Bambi....
It's because... because... because... once bitten... we are twice shy.
We have been getting killed and the country is being devastated by Tamil terrorists over 25+ years... and we RESERVE the right to suspect anyone, who troubles our govenment... (unfortunately).
Government and our tropps are our only hope.
Now chew on it.
ReallyCold -
In that case let's hand over VP with RW to India.
Ninja
Personnally i prefer reading the Lanka Guardian and i have respect for B Raman for i believe unbaised analysis. Compared to the nonsense on Lankaweb or Asian Tribune which has latetly become a joke amomg discerning (favourite word of lankaweb/Asian tribune)readers
sam,
"If Pottu Amman is captured indeed, this is a moment we need a pro like Maj. Gen. Janaka Perera to handle him. I hope that we have enough of General Perera's protégés in MI these days."
100% true.
these top criminals will NEVER change. IF we ever capture these cunts, we should get the MAXIMUM from them and finish them off.
the same should apply to anyone accompanying them.
to do these adventures, SLDFs should NOT publish their capture/surrender. they can do so, when the adventure is complete.
patriots, mark my word, if these top terrorists surrender, that is a TACTICAL SURRENDER for the tamil elam project!!!! KILL THEM ALL.
Gringo said
"and we RESERVE the right to suspect anyone, who troubles our govenment... "
I recall a similiar statement made by Robert Mugabe and soon after banned/kicked out BBC and the London Times journalist.
Nice one Gringo!
Ali said...
[If India is forcing us to hand over VP we should turn him to ashes . Indians cant watch their own back side . This bugger will be out in a few weeks .]
That is exactly correct.
1. India will not be able to hold him; there are just too many VP supporters in TN
2. If captured, VP should be punished for the much greater crimes he has committed against the people of Sri Lanka. Forget Rajiv; he is only one man, and he helped the LTTE at the beginning...he should not have played party politics with venomous snakes.
3. Best thing would be if he is shot on sight by the forces. He is an liability to the stability of SL.
4. I think all of this is academic wishful thinking. VP will escape, or has already escaped, from SL. His plans to continue in TN are already well advanced, with support from the highest levels of TN govt.
5. These are only my speculations and views.
v have 2 thank moshe dyan for all the success v have achieved so far!
people, do u know that sarath fonseka calls him everyday and ask his advice?
he's the brain behind this operation!
Aiyoo, aappa kaala bada ridinewo, mata Mathivanige dosai sambar onay!!!
Moshe the harvester. You are a real chena boy.
"Moshe the harvester. You are a real chena boy."
excellent connection!
lol!
PS, Chena boy in Sinhala is harvester in English.
Therefore:
Harvester = Chena Boy = Moshe Dyan
Day Dreams
I never thought that we will come this far in my life time. Well, new legends and heroes are about to be born. Our generation is about to write the next golden chapter of the chronicle. Hopefully, another great era will begin soon. Hopefully, the group of jokers led by RW will give up this nonsense and unite for our own sake. Otherwise, a place for them in garbage bins of history is guaranteed. I sincerely hope that we, Tamil, Sinhala, Moor, Malay, etc can live like true brothers in the near future. I sincerely hope that MR will institute a decent non-ethnic based power sharing system in all pf the provinces.
Jay said...
[i have respect for B Raman for i believe unbaised analysis]
No way! B. Raman is one of the most biased pro-LTTE "non-experts" with the South Asia Analysis Group. His "military analyses" are not worth reading; he is one of the Kilinochchi = Stalingrad guys!
Col. Hariharan, also with the South Asia Analysis Group, writes more balanced, credible military analyses.
Aiyoo, ko mage toilet cleaner, mey chena boy toilets gandassarey baa.
Thiru,
You are right bro. All SLA Successes are due to moshe dyan crap.
Look at the sucess he has achived with night time missions.
Moshe Dyan's night time missions = going out for a midnight crap after eating Pilawoos kotthu
Option 3- i would agree on.
"Best thing would be if he is shot on sight by the forces. He is an liability to the stability of SL."
and further add -not an embarrasement to the Rajapakse Brothers?
Worst case scenario would be that he escaped capture (with or without MR help) and becomes a thorn in SL for the next 5-10 years.
More likely he will escape (already?) to India. History repeating itself with SL Govt held to ransom on some spurious demands by India.
We have short memories dont we?
Rajan don't forget to take a water bucket when going out for your night time missions.
pottu,
you made my day.
can't stop laughing. as you know i don't have the "think-big-of-myself" syndrome.
"All SLA Successes are due to moshe dyan crap.Look at the sucess he has achived with night time missions."
night time operations.....
"rae pel raekala pel kavi kiyalaa nidi naethi denetha barai
wehesa niwannata thuruliya nalava ena mada pavana suvai...." - CTF'do
From History:
Loss of Thamilchelvan, a consequence of International injustice says Poddu Ammaan
[TamilNet, Monday, 05 November 2007, 17:13 GMT]
"A few Sri Lankan soldiers, perhaps thousands, or a few Sinhala leaders cannot match the price for Thamilchelvan."
Can somebody give me URL for Mahen's Blog
Rajan and Thiru,
I will be more than happy to contribute to your cyanide fund if you consume it immediately. Send me you address and I will courier it your home overnight. I will be honored if you give me that opportunity. Just let me know.
Ananda-USA
Lets say we agree to disagree.
I prefer both B Raman and Col Harihan. I certainly would'nt call B Raman a non expert on LTTE matters as he trained them and fought against them!
Gringo
Prove you wrong?
It's just a matter of time- Have you not read the headlines on most foreign newspapers latetly?
and please dont tell me these media outlets are in the pocket of LTTE (most over used arguement- and hey! LTTE buggers must have deep pockets!)
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2009/1/37493_7_space.html
Velu injured , Pottu captured.
"Can somebody give me URL for Mahen's Blog"
When did this blog become an adverisement poster for Mahen's blog?
sam perera,
thamunge paduwe puka denne nethiwa inda karunakarala!
it must now only be a question of time before their last remaining stronghold - the eastern town of Mullaitivu - also falls.
-BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7820188.stm
Vigilante and Ela Kiri,
Umbala enakota perehara gihilla ivarai. Udhay paandara indala may news eka, umbala dhan dha meka gana ahanne.
Maava alla gena ivarai, mata mun balen aappa kawana, raha naha bung, mata onay Mathivani dosai and sambar. Ona sambar genen bung, mama salli dennam, Shanthi Vihar?
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He is captured and is forced to peeeuke and the big fish is injured...thats all for now...till i come again...folks...
meanwhile pray for the big fishes recovery...
piyal if i tell you who i am things will makse sense to you i suppose...i dont want to blow my cover mate...:))
im the sheep mate...!
"The Army Commander had said all LTTE cadres including Soosai, Theepan, Banu, Lakshman, Vidusha, Swarnam and Nadeshan other than Velupillai Prabhakaran and Pottu Amman can surrender to Security Forces stating that they could be given protection...."
http://www.lankatruth.com/New/Full_Story_Page/2008/October/05/20081005_01.htm
Thiru the LTTE terrorist,
Your days are numbered. Please prepare to take your journey to Tamil Eelam.
I'm totally at a loss how the killers of LW got away amongst all the security checks in Colombo.
Baffling!
Let's assume they were LTTE pistol gang and/or Opposition hit teams that carried out the most outrageous crime in (security laden) colombo as some mischievious media are implying to discredit MR. Would'nt it be in the best interest of GOSL to apprehend these culprits without delay?
How come these gangs (Ltte/Opposition) are able to roam about freely in Colombo? Security lapse?
Absolute rubbish!
I recently came back (4 days ago) from Colombo. My daily morning trips to play Golf at the RCGC was interupted atleast 4 times between Galle Face Hotel and RCGC by security check points irrespective of the fact that i was travelling in a Hotel Courtesy car.
I'm gobsmacked! and there i was defending MR actions (security checks, registration of tamils in certain instances etc)to fellow lankans living in colombo.(most of whom wealthy with a fantastic life style which i unashamedly envy) The very same people taking steps to leave (temporarily) should it become uncontrollable.
I pity the innocent average lankan citizen. Smile, Grin and bear it!
How long for?
Jay,
"I'm totally at a loss how the killers of LW got away amongst all the security checks in Colombo.
Baffling!
Let's assume they were LTTE pistol gang and/or Opposition hit teams that carried out the most outrageous crime in (security laden) colombo as some mischievious media are implying to discredit MR. Would'nt it be in the best interest of GOSL to apprehend these culprits without delay?
How come these gangs (Ltte/Opposition) are able to roam about freely in Colombo? Security lapse?
Absolute rubbish!"
Any idea how LTTE blasted a bomb in front of AF HQ on 2009/1/1? My guess is that there are enough security lapses a terrorist can make through in Colombo. Of course not everywhere, but at some places.
re: asian tribune/lankaweb/lankaguardian...
the truth is that lankaweb/asian tribune has original stuff.
lankaguardian = (LW/AT + toiletnet)/2
so LG is guided by TN,LW,AT, etc. plus there are other jokers like BRAMAN.
braman is a self-styled defence analyst. what has he got? only experience of LOOSING!! his thinking is good for losers, not for winners.
the same can be said about SOME retired generals, etc. of the SLA. they are HIGHLY experienced in LOSING. so they can only consult "HOW TO LOSE".
seek donanld rumsfeld's advice!!
Sam P
Your valid point taken.
There are lapses. Yes i agree.
The AF incident was a bomb killing the perpetrator.
Broad day light shoot out when the perpetrator is able to get on his bike and get away!
Oh common!
Jay
/Personnally i prefer reading the Lanka Guardian and i have respect for B Raman for i believe unbaised analysis. Compared to the nonsense on Lankaweb or Asian Tribune which has latetly become a joke amomg discerning (favourite word of lankaweb/Asian tribune)readers/
So you are saying BRaman is still not a joke or becoming a joke?
/For some months now, there have been reports from West Europe claiming that pro-LTTE elements in the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora have been buying up all the books on the Battle of Stalingrad available in the local bookshops./
So what he was trying to say? He is good at promoting books? (by his Kilinochchi = Stalingrad.)
Unbiased or biased, as I see now.. what has happened to him is same as what happened to the cat who shit on the rock.
Jay said..
[Ananda-USA
Lets say we agree to disagree.
I prefer both B Raman and Col Harihan. I certainly would'nt call B Raman a non expert on LTTE matters as he trained them and fought against them!]
Jay, I like that. We should always agree to disagree, when we do disagree! :)
Sam, MD
I think this is new Thiru not the thaka thiru. (You can check ID)
MD
I don't see any necessity to put here that rape case happened decades ago.
/I'm totally at a loss how the killers of LW got away amongst all the security checks in Colombo./
Colombo is under high security at all the time for last 10-20 years - ('high' is relative to existing security measures and resources respect to time.) Using the above argument one can easily conclude all the crimes (from killing of RanjanW, JOC attack, Premadasa.. to LW) done by military intel.
Moshe
Asian Tribune/Lankaweb original stuff?
I dont wish to be disrespectful thats a joke.
KTR and Asian Tribune is the biggest fraud and even MR knows that but using him for his own agenda to suit the current needs.
Lankaweb has its own agenda closely monitored and analysed by ....you know who.
Both have lost the plot.
Don't get me wrong i read both of these and it merely brings a smile to my face!
LG has improved immensely and has bought a cross section of opinion although sometimes lethargic in the form of HLDM (gripe with RW he could'nt get a diplomatic post in Aust)and some Jeganathan (not sure of his name) about some Bishop.
I think we are all wise enough to read all these media outlets assimulate the facts or fiction.
/LG has improved immensely../
Ha Ha Probably after they started putting news from Mahen's bolg..
Ninja
I agree
Can you name one ivestigation that has brought results?
I recall the killer of Paralasingham (spelling bad) was caught red handed with the smoking gun two years ago.
Witnesses to the murder had a memory lapse. I'm sorry hes innocent!
ooops i forgot- Mervin Silva- Bless him!
Ninja
I'm sorry i cant help it if you are a fan of Mahen's blog
Its your prorogative
ps
Asian Tribune and Lanka Web are desperatetly seeking donations in the current economic clime.
(4 emails so far)
Are they losing the funding sources? Another scam of KTR?
Jay
/I recall the killer of Paralasingham (spelling bad) was caught red handed with the smoking gun two years ago./
I don't know. Who is that? You mean J. Pararajasingham?
I agree our police is poor in investigating.. their excuse is suspects hide in LTTE areas for last 2 decades..
/I'm sorry i cant help it if you are a fan of Mahen's blog/
I am. How can I miss my daily entertainment dose?
Ananda
Unless you are able to demonstrate to me that B Raman is pro-ltte, my opinion still stands.
Please dont illustrate that any criticism of GOSL is pro-ltte.
I have heard enough of that.
thanks
Gentlemen/ (ladies present?)
I bid you good day.
Jay has left the building.......
Guys,
What is this talk about Pottu Amman being captured? Any truth in it?
I had child hood dream of flying helicopter, even after joining SLAF in 79 couldn't realised my drea. But when I show this toy apache helicopter for $89 at Melbourne air port, I decided to fly at least a toy helicopter.
Today I bought a heli better that Apache for $120 and Presto!! I am flying a heli which has 03 channel
controls. It is a beauty but can take about 1/2 hour to master it.
Back to pottu! who has the news?
Woooooo Hoooooo,
I neglect the blog for a while and what happens.
Just like going get a slab of beer during cricket! Two wickets have fallen.
Time to embrace our brothers and sisters from Jaffna.
And some baila,
Chuda maanike balala yanwa me api
Chuda Maanike balala yanawa me api
Chuda Maanike balala yanawa me api
Menna bole me ganita mang epalu dan
"Anada-USA said:
I suppose you have a much greater understanding of military matters, so I bow before you."
Haaaa Haaaa Haaaaa
Rana machan, did you have Mr. mendis with you last night!
Sorry machan, I couldn't resist it.
With the Peelam-puckers silent (or glum) and guys like AGG, Asthiri, Wijayapala absent, there is a reduction of entertainment of the troops.
Sounds like the two of us are the only clowns left (Heh Heh Heh).
Any way social duties calls. I'll be back in a few hours.
My contact is still trying to send you some gifts. You will love them (I hope).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LJaIq0Q4X8
Elephantpass and our hearo, Hasakala Gamini
Jay,
"Unless you are able to demonstrate to me that B Raman is pro-ltte, my opinion still stands."
Braman says:
(b). "The Sri Lankan Tamils need the LTTE to protect them from the Sinhalese extremists, but it should be the LTTE minus Prabakaran and others involved in the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi.
(c). "India should not have anything to do with the LTTE so long as it is led by Rajiv's assassins. If it removes them, the Govt. of India should give it its full backing.
Greetings Gentlemen!
Divaina Article on capture of Soranpattu
This article states SLA used cluster bombs because LTTP is banned. What is the relationship with LTTP banning and clusters?
LM
It says some thing different. Ha Ha Read it again.. I leave the fun for you.
Mayil Macho,
I am happy with present progress of SL forces and celebrating with few heinakens.
I am also flying MI 24 to bomb kitchen area from living room. Wife is is trying hard to duck my toy helicopter.
I am only 13 years old for next few hours.
Life is there to enjoy doing what you want to do.
http://www.rivira.lk/2009/01/11/puwath8.htm
is there a comnnection between pottu's case and this article?
Fighting footage at elephantpass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55t_qQySlwU
Fact that they're not wearing helmets worries me
Pussy,
That is our elite Army Special Forces you see in the clip. I agree with your point that they should be wearing helmets. However, that is how they are trained. Usually, terrorists piss in the pants when they confront SF men. We fought and won many battles thanks to SF. Hopefully, their role will expand exponentially as we take the full territorial control of Sri Lanka. They will have fultime jobs together with MI for coming 20 years to eliminate terrorists before they develop in to something bigger.
is Pottu Amman Captured?
From SF @LNP 's morning update..
GOVT Intel agencies have broken in to the inner circle of ltte intelligence...
already a big fish its not joker rasaiah BTW is captured and many others have also defected
VP is injured and is expected to take wing soon...
a second major defection is expected to take place anytime now...
SF regrets the slow pace at which information can be given out for reasons of national security...
but remeber you will be informed as and when possible...
Quote from the Presidents Address to the Nation.
"You would have already realized that the aim of these conspirators is to level unfounded charges against the Army Commander who works with the greatest dedication to achieve these victories, and by this to destroy the morale of our troops, destabilize the country, tarnish the image of the country internationally, and make room for various international forces to interfere to grab our gains away from us.
We are aware that such conspiracies arise when a country moves ahead without giving in to external pressures. It is for no reason other than to embarrass our country internationally that my friend and Member of Parliament Joseph Pararajasingam was assassinated while in church at Christmas service.
What purpose other than tarnishing of the country's image internationally could there be in carrying out a bomb attack on the office of the Udayan newspaper published in Jaffna on World Press Freedom Day?
At a time when Thoppigala was being freed from the hold of terrorists an effort was made to distract from the importance of this victory by the abduction of a journalist from an English language newspaper and assaulting him.
After many years our troops freed Vedithaltivu dealing major defeat to the terrorists. The day after that a camp for the Internally Displaced Persons at Vavuniya was set ablaze.
Who is it that stands to gain from all this? Is not the aim of those who plan these incidents the belittling of the victories of our heroic troops? We have a duty to expose to the country the persons behind these conspiratorial operations. One must not mistake these conspiracies as being against me or my government. This is a conspiracy against the entire country by those who have been driven to fear due to the successes of our security forces."
Jay said...
[Unless you are able to demonstrate to me that B. Raman is pro-ltte, my opinion still stands.]
I thought we had agreed to disagree and let it go at that. Apparently not!
I suggest you read all of B. Raman's articles first. Most of them are trying to make LTTE's case and help the LTTE survive.
He, as a RAW agent, helped create, train and fund the LTTE in Sri Lanka. These are his boys, his reputation is wrapped up in their success. He has never been a soldier, unlike Col. Hariharan, and his agenda shows through in his writing.
He attempts to pass off as a military analyst, making ludicrous comparisons like Kilinochchi = Stalingrad, that have become the butt of people's jokes. His goal in making that comparison was to discourage the GOSL from taking on Kilinochchi, but the comparison was so outrageous that he only made himself look incredibly foolish.
It is quite possible for a non-soldier to be good military analyst, but that takes brains, good judgment and the ability to suppress one's own biases not supported by evidence, which he seems to lack. The lack of good judgment shows when he allows his biases and agendas to affect his "military analyses."
Col. Hariharan, on the other hand, is an Indian Tamil, who saw many of his Tamil Jawans of the IPKF being killed by the LTTE. On the one hand, being human and a Tamil himself, he has some empathy for the "Eelam" cause. On the other hand, he also saw how his own Jawans, who were sent to SL to help carve out an autonomous state for the Tamils under LTTE leadership, were being killed by these unreasonable ungrateful people in hit-and-run attacks. Yet, when I read Col. Hariharan's analyses, I don't see those personal feelings affecting his judgment on military matters. That reflects his professionalism as a soldier. I identify with, and admire, that adherence to the truth, irrespective of one's own likes and dislikes, because as a scientist/research engineer I myself have to maintain that same fidelity to the truth and detachment in my own professional publications, even when it disproves my own strongly held theories. Hariharan did not offer a Kilinochchi = Stalingrad analogy, among others, because his training and professional honesty told him that simply was not realistic.
B. Raman is an LTTE-leaning "propagandist" and former RAW agent, Col. Hariharan is a "military anaslyst" and former soldier. In no way is B. Raman a credible "military analyst".
I could write a paper on this subject quoting chapter and verse from Raman's writings; but it is a waste of time.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see!
Pottu Aman capture is on www.mawbimanews.com. But it is not confirmed.
hip hip hooorahhhhh
rana,moshe,asthiri,,its party timee....
hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Patriots,
It is rather unbelievable to me that there are people advocating rehabilitation and return to society, and even politics, for the likes of VP, Pottu Amman, Soosai etc, instead of being shot on sight, or if captured quickly being tried (cf. Nuremburg trials for WW-II war criminals) for crimes against humanity and executed ASAP.
Imagine Hitler, Tojo, and Pol Pot free to roam the streets in their countries!
It is amazing, to me, that people have so little regard for our people's lives.
Where is the sense of justice, of being held accountable for one's crimes, of retribution?
No wonder Sri Lanka's laws are being disregarded by one and all; they are never enforced! What would this kind of "real-politiking" bode for the future of Sri Lanka?
ananda,
with regard to rehabilitating and return to politics, hows karuna different from pottu or VP?
did karuna not plan, command and kill 100's if not 1000's of our armed forces?
Do you think he's all of a sudden "rehibilitatable" because he tows the government's political line?
Pottu not captured.
Even injured of myself is false.
Dont expect this. No captures.
As soon as SLA knows info about any these criminals no one expect high command of SLDF may decide the fate. You will never able to know. trillion times sure as soon as capture SLA will kill the bastards. Why to handover India? Just for killing of one motherfck?
How about hundreds killed here.
Breaking News:
"Chuckie" Taylor, the son of former Liberian President Charles Taylor has been sentenced by a US court to 97 years in prison for torture.
It is the first time a US court applied a 1994 law allowing the prosecution of citizens who commit torture overseas.
The next in line could be a Sri Lanka born US citizen. Guess who?
/Guess who?/
mmm VP?
hows karuna different from pottu or VP?
did karuna not plan, command and kill 100's if not 1000's of our armed forces?
True
But dont forget singala wining the war just because of damaged cause by Karuna. Otherwise many thousands soldiers may die in this battle and it will be far from over. Under tyrant like me anyone must obey my orders. If not " You can fly to sky"
Dont underestimate what Karuna did during time in LTT Mothfckrs and time after break from LTT Mothfckrs. MR and SLDF really understood this fact and using Karuna against LTT Mothfckrs SL gain more than the damage he caused.
oops VP is the president of tamiz ezaam not US citizen..
@ Sun Fckr
I agree karuna's defection was an important milestone and certainly aided SL war efforts
[or should i say "humanitarian efforts" ;) ]
But the question is could we treat him and pottu differently if both have committed similar crimes. Could we have a double standard?
First to be tried
Gnakooon Ammavuka brothers
Hon. Sun Fckr (Ex.God) V.Pirbaharan ...
Are you 'injured'?
he looks sexy in that picture lol
But the question is could we treat him and pottu differently if both have committed similar crimes. Could we have a double standard?
There should be ofcourse double standard when analyzing facts.
Karuna, Regi, Pillayan executed the ordres given to them by Vesaponna Piba and Pottu Ponna.
Everyone refuse had been killed. Main decision makers are VP and Pottu. So no matter we must get a double standard for this. That is why SLDF declared anyone can surrender to forces except VP And Pottu may protect by SL gov.
Just think -
That is why SL still think if Pirba ponna died today 93% of war is over.
//Fact that they're not wearing helmets worries me//
@ NIsal
The Video u posted was a Thoppigala video.. the SLA forces in that video are the guys from Special Forces who are called forward attacking elements.
if u see closely they dont even have body Armour on. And they dont have helmets too.
These Guys are deployed in way earlier time before the regular SF assualt forces are deployed.
as u can see we dont see a big force. Only 6-8 guys armed to the teeth. Because they dont carry heavy body Armour and helmets they are very agile on the battlefield and very successful against pockets of terra.
They rely on the terrain and camouflage for protection.
@duzz
Thanks for clearing that up macho
I didnt think of it that way
Hon. Sun Fckr (Ex.God) V.Pirbaharan ...
Are you 'injured'?
Cant call injured
dying....
Same fate like PolPot.
Very sooner day SLDF find the rotten body of most evil person ever lived in this earth in deep bunker.
Last wish is creamate in USA with full honours
as u can see we dont see a big force. Only 6-8 guys armed to the teeth. Because they dont carry heavy body Armour and helmets they are very agile on the battlefield and very successful against pockets of terra.
SL Commandos are trained even more talented than USA berets. They can even trace a small flying insects. They are armored and very highly brained to fight to kill hundreds of enemy forces. When you fight like that helmets and body armor are useless. Defensive and attack forces wear body armor and helmets.
Not commandos
pottu has surrendered :)
its not a rumour.... the govt has not yet officially declared this fearing that the indians might want him rite away.....but it is true pottu has surrendered this morning to the security forces.... beleive the MI had a hand in wooing him in...and (well who doesnt want a share of the karuna-illan pie) :p
hey guys anyone interested in seeing the true side of one of our so called respected editors true colours ? i have emails showing his true feelings.......i can send em over lol!!!
the editor i was referring to was db jeyaraj!!!
Ananda-USA,
"No wonder Sri Lanka's laws are being disregarded by one and all; they are never enforced! What would this kind of "real-politiking" bode for the future of Sri Lanka?"
Agree with you mate. The rule of law should be applied to everyone equally. This will go a long way in preserving the rights of the minorities. It damning to see the rule of the law being trifled with to accommodate the fascist terrorists. This is setting a bad precedence for our nation. It tells other wanna be terrorists that they can get away with anything. And this notion percolates into our society as well, bankers, politicians, teachers, all will have a free for all.
But sometimes, there has to be exceptions.
If a deal must be done, considering national interests, it should have an outstanding benefit to us, in return for perhaps life (and the safety of the criminal's family members who are not involved in any criminal activities).
In Karuna's and Pillayan's case, I think we had an outstanding benefit at the period they defected (which unfortunately was not used due to weak political leadership). However, allowing Karuna and Pillayan to carry on their activities, together with the people who were directly involved in atrocities is damning.
Anyway, Sri Lanka has set a bad precedence, however it may have encouraged other criminals to give up their risky way of life.
Lets take a hypothetical scenario. At some point, LTTE gives up arms and their separatists ideals and say they are ready to enter main stream politics. A Sri Lankan politician says, well done boys, then that is ok. Then we would not have been able to prosecute the criminals. This would be a special case of course.
In the current conflict, where young kids are forcibly recruited from their parents and sent off to the front as cannon fodder or suicide bombers, the entrapped civilians expect a lot more from the leaders. For such a ruthless outfit, surrender will be extremely frowned upon. Those masses will pretty much never support a surrendered (unless a moderate party like PA gives those extremist a boost - a notion which I always disagree with - extremists should be left alone in their own for them to be rejected by the society).
Finally, I should say that this trend needs to stopped at some point, and this can only be done through courageous political leadership. At least VP (as the leader of the organization) should be held accountable, and put to death. For Potta, it should be life imprisonment if he helps us enough to bring down the whole organization together with its financiers. Non of his relatives or family who have nothing to do with the war (or who were forced to live with him just because Potta was their father) should not be prosecuted, and all benefits and rights that free people enjoy should be available to them.
This is a good example to show Sri Lanka as a compassionate and liberal country despite fighting the most ruthless terrorist organization in the world. And if done properly, will reverberate in world history for a long time to come!
guys, I have said many times before that most of the LTTE leaders who already started to taste the family life, of them how many raped the young recruits are unknown, are pot-bellied out of shape old men who gives first priority to the family life but showing to the outside world that Tamil cause is their first priority since they do not want to lose the power/facilities which they enjoy through being LTTE commanders. Putting all the eggs on these uneducated 9 month pregnant leaders is what the huge mistake VP made so far in this Eelam War IV. If you look back at the Eelam war IV, no one from LTTE side gave inspirational leadership at the front lines. Every time enemy makes the move, he knows in advance exactly what to expect from LTTE next, otherwise how come they kept on coming hard even though they were having high casualty rate at times- it simply amuses me- either they are getting good intel about LTTE break down which may have come from Poddu or other defected folks, or they are getting some good support from external forces which could India in this case.
Bhairav,
What you say is true. In the current eelam war, the leadership shown was very poor and SLDFs had very good intel. India supporting SL with intel, for other benefits in return, is not a new phenomenon; I won't elaborate on this point though.
Anyway, one of the key factors that is working against the LTTE is their inability adapt to SLDFs strategies. It would be more precise to say that SLDF's smart battle planners studied the LTTE inside out before coming up with a workable strategy.
Other factors also worked against the LTTE:
* Generating funds and procuring arms
* Effective transportation of arms
* Leadership getting too mushy - that comes with family life
* Dissent among the Tamil masses due to the pressure they and their children had to endure for almost 30 years
* Non-recognition by the IC. ect.
* Increase in the will of the majority (directly attributed to MRs political strategy)
pottu amman captured . is it true
@ BHIRAv..
correction..
these 2 should be like
* Increase in the will of the majority (directly attributed to MRs political strategy)
+
resilient of Southern people.
20%
Tamil traitors - Karuna, DD,Pilaiyan etc.
5%
* Generating funds and procuring arms
5%
* Effective transportation of arms
15%
* Leadership getting too mushy - that comes with family life
20%
* Dissent among the Tamil masses due to the pressure they and their children had to endure for almost 30 years
15%
* Non-recognition by the IC. ect.
20% ( It's a biggest mistake )
* Increase in the will of the majority (directly attributed to MRs political strategy)
+
resilient of Southern people.
15%
Tamil traitors - Karuna, DD,Pilaiyan etc.
5%
other factors
5%
Rover,
I broke down the factors in % and fully agreed on what you said.
Our 5'foot stocky figure had 4 years to prepare for this war, in fact, he thought his preparations has reached the perfection otherwise how on the earth he helped MR to throne and started the mavilaru saga?
Some call him as military genius, my arse.
Our heroes, they are always supporting us not like you Modayas
Ado Bhairav Da Peanut,
Are trying to change the side now?
Why didn't you think your surmone few months before, bro?
Anyway don't worry, we still friends.
PussyTigers said...
[with regard to rehabilitating and return to politics, hows karuna different from pottu or VP?
did karuna not plan, command and kill 100's if not 1000's of our armed forces?
Do you think he's all of a sudden "rehibilitatable" because he tows the government's political line?]
You ask a very good question that has troubled me immensely. The following is a first attempt at gdeveloping a rational answer:
LEGAL BASIS:
The LTTE can be most liberally viewed as an enemy at war with the majority community of Sri Lanka.
According to the laws of Sri Lanka, their acts are illegal, and they are guilty of treason as citizens of Sri Lanka. The LTTE claim that they are freedom fighters, though they are Sri Lankan citizens, and choose to be viewed as enemy combatants.
STATUS OF COMBATANTS:
If we view them, liberally, as enemy combatants, they are allowed to attack SLDF personnel, and be killed by the SLDF without violating the provisions of the Geneva Convention. Prisoners, belonging to both the SLDF and the LTTE are protected from further harm if they lay down arms, surrender, and do not attempt to escape or fight after surrendering.
If either party harms such prisoners, or mistreats them in captivity, then they are guilty of a war crime. The killing of nearly 1,000 prisoners after the fall of Mullaitivu, torturing some SLA soldiers in torture chambers, and forcibly extracting the blood of some captives prior to execution, was one such collection of war crime perpetrated by the LTTE.
STATUS OF NON-COMBATANTS:
If either party intentionally attacks and harms non-combatant civilians, that is a war crime, and is terrorism. The LTTE has tried to avoid responsibility for killing over 100,000 civilians in Sri Lanka; it is common knowledge that they killed people using suicide bombers, truck bombs, bus and train bombs, claymore mines, and shootings. They also with-held food and other items essential to life from people who did not support them, but were under their control. Contrary to International Law, they also abducted and deployed underage child soldiers, forced people into slave labor, and used civilians as human sheilds either in the battlefield, or by converting places of civilian dwelling into military defences. These crimes place the LTTE beyond the protection as combatants under the Geneva Convention.
Very often, at the end of a civil war in which one party is completely defeated, the victors forgive treason and killings on the battlefield as acts of war or acts preceding a war. However, it is now the norm, not to forgive acts of terrorism against non-combatant civilians, or brutality against combatants, that violate the articles of the Geneva Convention.
LEADERS VS SUBORDINATES:
Usually, the defence of "I only followed the "legal" orders of my superiors" is not accepted as a valid defence by a war crimes tribunal. That is, ignorance of the provisions of the Genova Convention is not an acceptable excuse; which is why all soldiers in an army must be taught the difference between a legal and an illegal order. People in leadership positions are held accountable for the orders they give, to a greater extent than subordinates.
APPLICATION TO THE LTTE:
If we apply these standards of acceptable and unacceptable conduct in the Eelam civil war, them clearly Vellupillai Prabhakaran, Pottu Amman, Black Tiger leaders, those who carried out the ethnic cleansing attacks on Sinhala and Moslem villages, among others, should be tried and executed or imprisoned, if found guilty. On the other hand, battlefield commanders, such as Karuna, Soosai and others may not be guilty of war crimes, and may be accepted for rehabilitation and return to society.
I don't really know the full history of activities of Karuna and Soosai, so I am speculating here, using them only as an examples.
The arguments I have provided here, may be one rational way of deciding who should be accepted for rehabilitation and release to society, and if released what restrictions should be placed on their civil rights (e.g., cannot be an MP or Govt. official, cannot serve in the armed or police forces, cannot enter into certain professions such as the legal, medical and banking fields, etc), and who should be prosecuted for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
rana
not particularly smart are you
[Are trying to change the side now?]
rana da potato,
It's not in my blood, maybe, it's in fisherman's or whatever idiot's blood.
In fact I still fully support our cause.
Ananda USA
good answer mate
and very complete
ofcouse nothing less should be expected from you :)
Thanks Bhairav,
So what would the general consensus as to what to do among the LTTE spporting diaspora, that is if the LTTE totally fails on delivering Eelam?
How would they take to defection/surrender of key LTTE figures?
If the rights of the minorities are enforced, and Sri Lankans (both Tamils and Sinhalese) are educated on some of the liberal arts subjects, do you think that it would be harder for a extremist group like the LTTE to exploit them?
What would you expect the GSL and SLDFs to do to build bridges with the Tamil populace?
Bhairav, very true.
Somewhere I read about Pussycats that they are a multi layered outsource company structure.
- Long term contract [of revenge, eelam] handed over to VP and top tier by diaspora
- Detailed sub contracts handed over to lower level leaders from top tier.
- Revenues earned from propaganda and sentiments in diaspora directed to top tier.
- Sub contractors are benefited from top tier.
As you're an insider you must be knowing more than this.
But let's take this structure, do you notice that money played a role too much down the line. I've heard that smaller units, when they don't get enough "sub-contracts" ended up abducting ppl [like farmers etc] in the fringe villages for ransom. During the PissTalks there were some series of such events happening.
One reason for the downfall is this involvement of too much money. At initial stage it was little money coming and nobody saw the big catch in it. Later on you guys started funding in a frenzy. Anyone changes the life style if they are mad the CEO of a company with million dollar revenue. As you know there is a hefty difference in the impact on life if you suddenly start getting $1mill per month whereas you did get only $3k per month.
See what happened to SL Cricket board. After WC 96 money started flooding and now it is a pure mess of administration.
Al-Qaeda - the only equal organization to Diaspora-Pussycat duality - manages this differently. For them the top command is indeed the direct funding supplier. There maybe charity and donations for their "cause" but there is no reason why OBL will depend on money from others. However to lower tier they are not funding "revenue". Instead they motivate the lowers by sentiments. Sentiments motivate the fundraisers of Pussycats than the lower tier.
Anyway, you miss one important point. Eelam is a speculation bubble bound to burst in few years. Anywhere else such events have lasted only a couple of years. Due to few crazy leaders like JRJ, RP, CBK, and RW this speculation bubble has existed 30 years, but was bound to burst oneday. Bhairav, the diaspora is the bunch of investors who invested on the bubble and burst means the sheer loss to them.
You'd rather played poker with dollar a day mate. You'd have won once in a blue moon at least.
[So what would the general consensus as to what to do among the LTTE spporting diaspora, that is if the LTTE totally fails on delivering Eelam? ]
Rover,
I'm not the right person to answer this question but I can tell whats going among diaspora Tamils now. Most diaspora Tamils are confused and depressed now. My father is hardcore LTTE supporter who receives at least 50 calls from his friends everyday, all are sad and depressed. They cannot absorb the fact that we have lost Kili and other cities.
When I walked away my lucrative contract from a big firm few weeks back due to the differences with the management, I wasn't depressed but now bcoz of what I hear from front lines. As you can see that I spend considerable time on these blogs for last 10 days.
Bhairav Da Peanut,
//In fact I still fully support our cause.//
This so called cause is only a illusion created and nurtyred by high cast tamils from Jaffna.
It is a complete lie which cannot be comphrehended intelligently to others.
Either you all have to give it up or burn by never ending hatred.
Bhairav;
Let's take the period during Piss Talks.
Pussycats+Diaspora:
- raised funds
- raised arms
- spent [or rather wasted] time on some civil admin structures.
- achieved mental highs
- Pig-headness plagued His Pigness.
- believed [like Nazi] that they already have reached the point of no defeat.
- gained weight.
SL under UNP:
- Gave in everything
- Lost structures
- Betrayed MI
- Wasted money on PissTalks
- Gave in military
- Gave up land
- Almost gave Eelam when HSZ were planned to be removed [thanks to SF it was blocked]
SL under CBK:
- blocked Intl govt supports [notably thanks to Late Kadir]
- Brought matters to stand still
- Overwhelmed by the way how RW messed things so did nothing to stop rampage
SL under MR:
- Organized military
-Studied pussycats thoroughly
- Applied cutting edge research ideas
- Increased army
- Won faith among ppl
- Waited for the first mistake
See my bold lines for more important events.
When you want to shoot down a bird, it is easy if you make it fly high. Unintentionally this is what 2000s did to Pussycats. Dogma and arrogance bars you from contingency planning till realization occurs. Time gap in between is ideal moment for elimination.
Bhairav,
"I'm not the right person to answer this question but I can tell whats going among diaspora Tamils now. Most diaspora Tamils are confused and depressed now. My father is hardcore LTTE supporter who receives at least 50 calls from his friends everyday, all are sad and depressed. They cannot absorb the fact that we have lost Kili and other cities."
Thanks. This is something I can't comprehend.
I think LTTE was the unifying theme for most of the diaspora (the cool thing to do), when the LTTE was doing very well, and over running SLA camps in the early stages of the war.
I also know many diaspora Tamils who are depressed, and I felt they are not aware of the true ground situation in Sri Lanka, the woes of all Sri Lankans.
I say this because when I am in the West for a long period of time, though I read news everyday, I don't really feel what is going on in Sri Lanka. My nationalistic instincts become greater. But when I am in Sri Lanka, they subside, when I see what all Sri Lankans in Sri Lanka endure everyday.
For some of the LTTE diaspora folks, not being "home" for over several years, stress of being in a new society, stress of work, plight of relatives back home, ect. could play havoc with their system, I guess?
Hi Guys,
Ellalan Force declares Poddu Amman surrenders to the SL Gov!!
Karu
[I also know many diaspora Tamils who are depressed, and I felt they are not aware of the true ground situation in Sri Lanka, the woes of all Sri Lankans.]
Many diaspora Tamils lost their family members or friends directly or through extended family members. I have lost my relatives and friends due to this war. In fact Tamils have grievances. I do not wanna go into details bcoz in the end we won't agree on certain points and will come back to square one again. 95% of the Tamils were happy with the NE combined federal solutions but they thought chauvinist Sinhala governs won't give anything so Tamils started to dance to the tune of LTTE.
In fact we would have got NE combined federal solution if LTTE kept good terms with UNP(RW)- VP blew it.
Sujeeva,
You are technically correct on what you say.
At this rate who knows, the war will be over by end of this month :-)
Observer,
It will be over within next two weeks but the problem is not.
SL will have many problems after winning the war.
Rana,
Yep thats right.
I think proper implementation of the 13th amendment sans land and police powers would be the way forward.
After all one question I would like to ask , all tamils in SL (not hte diaspora kind who have no idea about post 1983 sri lanka ) is what distinct problem they have in the south that average Sinhalese folk don't have ?
Rover said...
For some of the LTTE diaspora folks, not being "home" for over several years, stress of being in a new society, stress of work, plight of relatives back home, ect. could play havoc with their system, I guess?
Rover dont make excuses for diaspora. They were fully aware of what they were doing. I know because I live in one of these countries. While spoiling themselves with luxuries they kept funding LTTPussies:
Diaspora kids got good education, but their moda money pulled SL tamil kids outa schools and threw them into front line. Selfish mothF***ers
Diaspora lived in safety while SL tamils lived in fear of LTTPussies then became refugees living in camps.
While LTTPussy cadres were getting killed they got together monthly organised parties events festivals and raised more moda money.
And now diaspora complaining about being depressed? These Terrorist mothF***ers should be locked up to never see light of day ever again.
If LTTPussy cadres are guilty of something then diaspora is many times as guilty.
Have that on you conscience and know you funded to destroy tamil pride, tamil economy, tamil education, tamil dignity.
Absolute morons
Bhairav,
"Many diaspora Tamils lost their family members or friends directly or through extended family members. I have lost my relatives and friends due to this war."
We all have lost family members to this war (I've lost by big bro, working for the SLAF)...anyway, the point is there should be some point at which we forget. Take the distant history, if all people remembered all the family that died in all the wars that were fought, non of us could ever get along, as your family is related to mine, in deeper time, as all humans are related. So for nation building, we have to delve on the deaths itself, but address the issues that caused the deaths.
"In fact Tamils have grievances. I do not wanna go into details bcoz in the end we won't agree on certain points and will come back to square one again."
Everybody has grievances, and it is comparative. If you compare third world countries to the west, the underdeveloped countries have grivances. If I compare myself to a richer neighbor, I have grievances. See my point.
This is why I always say that we should have a liberal democracy in Sri Lanka. This is very crudely put, safeguarding the minority rights (liberal ideals) while addressing the will of the majority (democracy). Being just a DEMOCRACY is not going to be enough.
One of the impediments to implement this is the presence of a terrorist group that try to get at a political goal through terrorizing of civilians (both tamil and Sinhala).
If MR has the courage, he will do what is needed to take Sri Lanka to wards being liberal democracy.
Most importantly, the economy will have to improve before one can do this successfully, and Sri Lanka has the potential to do this very fast.
"95% of the Tamils were happy with the NE combined federal solutions but they thought chauvinist Sinhala governs won't give anything so Tamils started to dance to the tune of LTTE."
Countries should not be divided along racial or religious lines. This is asking for trouble. One needs only a non-liberal chief minster to start another war. War will affect all people of the country, so I won't support devision along human characteristics.
"In fact we would have got NE combined federal solution if LTTE kept good terms with UNP(RW)- VP blew it."
Yes VP blew it, and I am glad that he did. Dealing with VP as a political entity would have been a nightmare.
rana,
mate, some sakkiliyas will cross the sides.
FACTS
1. most of them would be actually disappointed with the LTTE
2. NONE OF THEM (i repeat none of them) has given up tamil elam crap.
3. tamil elam is the real enemy, not the LTTE per se.
hope you agree with me.
mayil,
most of my jaffna friends know that song although the song was b4 our time.
Bhairav,
North and East will not be combined and handed over to a tamil group. Keep dreaming!
the only political solution is ethnic integration and ethnic diversification IN WAR RAVAGED areas.
thankfully other areas are ok.
credits to whoever said this b4 me.
There are two types of eelamists.
1. Megalomaniac type ( VP, Pottu,...)
2. Cunning type (Sangaree, Karuna, Bhairav...)
First type is going to extinct soon. We must ensure second type too go extinct.
Grievances my ass! Innocent Tamils are suffering because of these hate campaign by eelamists.
Moshe said ...
"3. tamil elam is the real enemy, not the LTTE per se."
Well said!!!
moshe
mate none of us are against a peelam, just not inside of SL ;)
58 Div troops uncover 11 LTTE bodies, weaponry during search operations- Kilinochchi
Troops of the 58 Division while consolidating positions North of Murusamoddai have uncovered 11 LTTE bodies and a cache of military hardware, yesterday (Jan 9), security sources said.
9 LTTE bodies were found in general area North of Murusamoddai, Friday, at around 2p.m. Meanwhile, troops operating South of Murusamoddai have uncovered 2 more slain LTTE bodies and 15 hand grenades, security sources said.
During similar search operations conducted in general area Vaddakkachchi, troops have also found 101x 81mm bombs, 22x60mm and 11 anti-personnel(AP) mines, security sources said.
Meanwhile, ground troops confirmed taking 10 separate sniper targets in general areas North, South and East of Murusamoddai the sources further added.
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Where is that dead body officer.. Upul??
pussytigers,
"mate none of us are against a peelam, just not inside SL"
100% true.
actually this is the case. it is widely expected that the TAMIL HOMELAND project will rise up somewhere else when it is put down in SL.
TN is VERY likely to be it.
Rover,
You believe in what you say and Tamils believe in what they think.
This is what I think!
If LTTE fails,
A) Accept the fate whatever solutions you get from this MR govern and live under its puppet leaders until the right time comes for the final push.
B) Eelam Tamils and Diaspora Tamils should continue to tell their kids/grand kids that what happened to Tamils in SL pre-Eelam history, Eeelam war I,II,III,IV etc. It will always give Tamil aspirations regardless of what time era we are moving.
C) Tamils should produce role models globally - billionaires,sportsmen,music folks,scholars - so that our voice will be heard when we try to win our rights back.
D) India is sitting on the time bomb of Muslim issues, so I expect Tamil separate land in Indian, lets say in 30 or 40 years.
E) With the introduction of Tamil Separate land in India, Eelam Tamils should start the final push.
Or if Govern understands the real grievances of Tamils, gives satisfactory solution, they should stick to it, live under one nation - many Tamils still believe SL is beautiful nation.
Satisfactory solution is nothing less than NE combined federal solutions from Tamils' point of view.
GUYS!!! WAKE UP!!
1. LTTE still has close to 2000 battle hardned cadres left
2. Colombo is plagued with suicide bomber just waiting to go off
3. pottu being captured. VP being injured is not Confirmed!!
4. guys who are front line commanders(Bhanu,Nadesan,Ratnam Master etc..) are still at large
5. LTTE still has 130mm guns( which can kill people if u didn't notice earlier)
This bloody feud started frikin 30 years ago. I know that there were some very regrettable mistakes done by the sinhalese community. mainly due to pig headed front line politicians. I know there were and some still are racists among us.
but only after we change our views of race religion and class we can develop our country and get in a righteous path.
we have learned from our previous mistakes. We wont do them again.
THe problem here is terrorism. Only after we get rid of this menace we can start healing! I know and most of u must know that all communities can live in harmony.
THE WAR IS NOT OVER!! DONT GET DISTRACTED!!
THIS MAYBE WHAT EXACTLY THE ENEMY IS EXPECTING!!
Last_mile,
"2. Cunning type (Sangaree, Karuna, Bhairav...)"
I am not sure where Bhairav falls, so won't comment on that. I don't know the guy. It seems that he is a LTTE supporter because of social pressure.
Anyway, to get the cunning type (as you put it) to loose, GOSL has to do more (the cunning type has the potential to become megalomaniac type and vice versa). As long as GOSL depends on a Tamil to get the tamil vote, and a muslim to get the muslim vote, and a sinhalese to get the sinhalese vote, we will have cunning types in all three ethnicities.
In this land of the most compassionate Lord Buddha…..
Sinhala Buddhists who believe this land belongs to the most compassionate Lord Buddha and constitutionally calls it the "Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka", sing with pride "In wisdom and strength renewed / Ill-will, hatred, strife all ended / In love enfolded, a mighty nation / Marching onward, all as one / Lead us, Mother, to fullest freedom." as their National Anthem.
And….. in this compassionate, democratic Buddhist land enfolded with love, in wisdom and fullest freedom, media is forbiden to raise a dissenting voice. Media is forbidden to criticise the "law" of the ruling regime. The media is forbitten to speak for the people.
Many who thought they as the media have a right to freedom of expression, they have a right to information, that the people also have the same right and that it is a fundamental right in a modern civilised society, have been told very bluntly and at times most brutally, that it isn't so in this land of the compassionate, democratic republic, run by a "patriotic" regime.
The Tamil media in the North were the first to have been told this bluntly and ruthlessly while the Colombo media did not want those dissenting voices in the North, heard elsewhere. They had to learn that lesson, first hand.
And….that was a lesson learnt by some, who are not with us to tell their story. That is a lesson learnt by some, who don't have the right to say it, because they have a right to live some time more. For a lot, it was their station "Sirasa" that went ablaze with that lesson. It was their station that was smashed and set on fire to teach a lesson.
For Lasantha Wickramatunge, an editor with a passion for uncompromising media professionalism, it was a challenge to face. A challenge he never minced words, in meeting. He had his own aggressive style in meeting the challenge. Admired and respected but left alone without political backing.
And….. he, therefore, could not surmount this challenge, all by himself.
A lesson learnt, that needs no repeats to learn. This compassionate Sinhala Buddhist land does not tolerate "dissent". Those who would not want to learn that living, would have to learn that in death. We who live, would come back when "dissent" comes back as a democratic right, accepted and enjoyed in a modern land of compassion.
Till then, good bye!
Editorial Board
Lankadissent
http://www.lankadissent.com/
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Mongal is a real mongal... blaming 'buddhism' for sirasa attack..
PS. Some guys already talked about this.
last mile,
grievances should NEVER be addressed by race.
grievances must be properly interpreted.
once a tamil told me that they can't read the boards of busses bcos its in sinhala ONLY. that is one grievance he said.
that's what he said, but, what is the real grievance??
it is the lack of opportunities for them to learn sinhala!
give them and the grievance is dead.
there is no fcuking need for 75% ppl to learn tamil. it is not logical. of course tamil is a older language than sinhala, may be superior. but learning tamil by the whole population is just not practical. instead 8% of ppl who aren't fluent in sinhala can learn it. problem solved.
the dumbest things is for this 8% to learn sinhala while 74% learn tamil. this way we are troubling (74% + 8%+ = 82% of the population.
this DUMB attitude comes from the "tit-for-tat" mentality of the LTTE and other tamil elamists. one will think this way if he is a racist. if he is practical he ONLY thinks how to solve this with LEAST trouble to ppl.
all ppl need NOT be "three bhasha parameshwaras"!!!!
mark my word, ALL non violent tamil elamists will be disappointed at the end of the military campaign and the "political solution".
the RACIST federalism is the same as tamil elam. you have to go along the road to tamil elam and turn right half way to RACIST federalism!!
the fantastic thing about the war is that it decides what the political solution should be.
10 sniper targets taken by 58th guys!!
http://defence.lk/img/20090109_EPS14.jpg
this is one cool sniper.. cannot identify the model. but it surely aint tht british one u guys posted earlier
LTTPussy getting wipped, raped
then sniped?
man that's harsh
But they WANNA doing it for their rather disproportionally large brother
okay then :)
Bhairav,
"If LTTE fails,
A) Accept the fate whatever solutions you get from this MR govern and live under its puppet leaders until the right time comes for the final push."
As someone said, this is the cunning type. And I said cunning type can change into the megalomaniac type easily. What you say, is assuming that you will have control of the population along racial lines. This should be brought down .
"B) Eelam Tamils and Diaspora Tamils should continue to tell their kids/grand kids that what happened to Tamils in SL pre-Eelam history, Eeelam war I,II,III,IV etc. It will always give Tamil aspirations regardless of what time era we are moving."
This will only help in keeping your identity. After several generations, these educated kids are not going to give a damn about what their Aththas and Aththamas did. Don't forget that they will intermarry too; and it won't be easy to spread racist ideals with a educated and liberal white woman!
"C) Tamils should produce role models globally - billionaires,sportsmen,music folks,scholars - so that our voice will be heard when we try to win our rights back."
This is good. What rights would they have after becoming a millionaire? They have been pushed into that position by that system.
"D) India is sitting on the time bomb of Muslim issues, so I expect Tamil separate land in Indian, lets say in 30 or 40 years."
No mate. Muslims are not going to lie down and take the crap that is being distributed for too long. Muslims can evolve too. What happened in Iran? Were the Mullahs able to control that nation for ever? Change is happening everywhere, the attitude of the other people that they live with will greatly quicken or reduced the evolution of ideas within a given ethnic group.
"E) With the introduction of Tamil Separate land in India, Eelam Tamils should start the final push."
Unlikely to happen. Tamil people are not going to tolerate this nationalist crap when the whole nation will be moving forward together. But a conflict with greater Indian populace will be very interesting, and will make it harder for Eelam to manifest.
Anyway, your reasoning has given me a glimpse of what to except, and the problems we face seem to be formidable. Thank god, you are just one data point, hope others are different.
what bloodyrav says is true (for a change).
the demand for tamil elam will NEVER EVER DIE in the hearts of MOST tamils.
we must accept this reality.
accepting this reality helps us find a LASTING solution. otherwise we will be living in a fools' paradise.
the only way out for SL is to frustrate this.
i.e., let them have this aspiration. they have the freedom to have it. no problem. lets make their dream unattainable.
e.g. IF sinhalese and/or muslims are the majority in the north, there will NEVER EVER be a tamil elam. they conquered the east, now it is the north.
Rover
talking about hitting nail on the head, my friend just you hit it with a sledge hammer. BANG!
of course tamil is a older language than sinhala
What??
I believe Bhairav is saying what he honestly feels, unfortunately this is the norm rather than being an exception.
Listen up any tamil with a brain in between your ears
we're not against tamils asking for rights, it's the WAY you've gone about it that we have a problem with.
Why dont you get it? it's not that complicated.
Sujeewa machan,
Oba Siva-lingayata kiyapu eva okkoma hari aeththa.
Habai mewa (ung kara gaththa moda kama) ungta Dantama kiyala dena eka honda naha.
DUZZ said
"THE WAR IS NOT OVER!! DONT GET DISTRACTED!!"
I do agree with you.
That is why SF mentioned that he needs to increase the ARMY to 300,000 and he has already created TF6.
Then he would deploy more bridgades in North & East after LTTE is defeated. This might be an expensive but would work to stop any insurgencies.
I think SF, MR & GR all have a vision for the country and no any government or political/military leaders had before.
Has anybody heard about RW's comments after EP falls?
@duzz
machang whats this fascination with sniper rifles?
u a gun enthusiast?
PussyTiger,
"Rover
talking about hitting nail on the head, my friend just you hit it with a sledge hammer. BANG!"
Thanks mate, I wasn't sure if he had change of heart after the spate of defeats of the LTTE, so was cautious in knowing what Bhairav thought. But anyway, I am glad he was honest in what he said.
As I said, if what he says is the norm, we need to do a lot to extinguish the idea of Eelam in Sri Lanka.
Moshi,
Mate, you are right most of the time so, How can I disagree?
//the demand for tamil elam will NEVER EVER DIE in the hearts of MOST tamils//
This bhairav utterance -
They can keep it alive as long as they live, I don't care.
If they try to execute it, their life expectancy will be reduced by 300%.
Bhairav Da Peanut,
I have a good suggestion for you, mate;
Try a new eelam in Canada! Scarborrough! may be. or how about Andaman island, only if India agree!
"the demand for tamil elam will NEVER EVER DIE in the hearts of MOST tamils".
true. but sinhala must make sure that supply doesn't meet demand. we must see to it that the amount of suppliers dry out. fast.
like MR, gota, sarath is doing. that's brilliant economics & will make SL prosperous.
Moshe,
That song (Chuda Maanike). I first heard on a visit back to SL in the mid 1970's. It was popular about that time. Rana would know it.
For the first time in my life I saw a woman begging for food (not money). This was the time of Mrs. B's haal polla.
I respect Mrs. B but that was one of her big mistakes.
We can acknowledge mistakes of Sri Lankan leaders but that does not diminish their greatness. The Peelamists have carried on a decades old campaign to denigrate Sri Lankan leaders and claim that SL has not had statesmen. In fact all the SL Heads of State have been Statesmen or Stateswomen of some sort. Such campaigns war have been planned and laid over decades to justify the war of hatred that they have waged against Lanka and its people.
These old men that Bhairav talks about as well as Bhairav's generation must be pursued like Nazi war criminals for more than one generation in order to make sure that the ugly head of Dravidianist Fascism dos not threaten Sri Lanka ever again.
All their srategies and tactics must be discovered and weeded out.
Did you play this game called "Where's Wolly?" when you were little?
Guess what you can play it again, this time its called
"Where's Peelam?"
with this updated map
http://www.army.lk/maps/map1.gif
enjoy :)
@ Tamil Eelaam
/let them have this aspiration. they have the freedom to have it. no problem. lets make their dream unattainable./
I would say let's convince they have whole SL rather than NE tamil eelaam. i.e. They become part of whole SL. Willingness of both sides required.. like for a marriage
@ Language
/the dumbest things is for this 8% to learn sinhala while 74% learn tamil./
We don't need 74% tamil experts. But we need some experts (say 5% - at least for spying.. haha) and rest with just basics..
Some people believe that LTTE is the sole representative ot Tamil people.
Read the below extracted from SLARMY website
"2009-01-10 00:42:02
KILINOCHCHI: HEARTBREAKING news of the tragic end of seven fleeing innocent civilians including one small child to Security Forces-held areas was reported from northern WANNI sector this morning (10).
According to confirmed reports, a group of civilians remained stranded in LTTE clutches in the east of MURUSAMODDAI and KANCHIPURAM were on their way to cleared areas with a view to seeking freedom and protection when barbaric terrorists now waylaying to prevent the influx of civilians went on opening firing at them indiscriminately and mercilessly killing one small girl of about three years, one boy, two women and three men.
However, forty nine others including two males injured in the same firing managed to arrive in the cleared areas of PARANTHAN seeking protection. Thirteen small girls, eleven small boys, thirteen women and twelve men were among those civilians.
58 Division troops who received the victims some of who appeared traumatized due to ferocity of their experience at first provided them with first aid and other basic needs immediately.
The dead bodies were to be taken to the nearest hospital while other escapees were to be handed over to civil administrative authorities."
Guys,
This whole Pottu Amman's thing is Bull Shit.
puran what makes you say that?
have you heard anything to the contrary
for 2,500 years tamils have proved that they cannot rule even themselves without killing each other. killing all tamil opposition seems the stock solution for all their so called grievances. so waht can the sinhala & muslim expect?
therefore the SLA/ gosl must make a complete & total take over of the activities of north east thru agents like karuna.
the key is to make these agents & the whole population COMPLETELY dependant on the SLA & GOSL for their & their families very survival.
area must be repopulated by sinhala & muslim with the sla help.
in governing we must be firm but fair. we must show the tamils that they & their children can achieve much more with sinhala than with dieasspora mahafools.
any possible insurgent activity has to immediately get the JVP solution before they raise their ugly heads. no other choice.
Mayil,
I don't like baila, macho!
I am a "AMARADEWA" man. Anyway I have heard the song by Desmond during 70s though I don't like it a bit.
To me the best is:
"NIM HIM SEWWA MA SASARE"
"HAMUWEELA YUGAYEN BANDI YUGAYE"
"WEN WEE......."
ISN'T IT "GAJA MUTHU"?
Lalith, Duzz,
"THE WAR IS NOT OVER!! DONT GET DISTRACTED!!"
Very true. Still there is a Lot to Do.
From here, it'll be a different ball game.
It's Jungle warfare.
none of us are against a peelam, just not inside of SL ;)
just like when 4th grade teacher told you
stop picking your nose, take it outside :D
Why reinvent the wheel when you got it ready made?
Why create a peelam when you got it ready made?
how about little name change Tamilnadu to Peelam hey?
You dont have to thank me, just trying to help you guys out :D
puran machan..
i was skeptical from the beginning.
the peelamists must be cooking up sumtin.. our guys at col and the frontlines must keep their eyes Open
"That song (Chuda Maanike). I first heard on a visit back to SL in the mid 1970's. It was popular about that time. Rana would know it."
Wow Mayil, I wasn't even born back then! But I love that song...
PussyTigers,
I got it confirmed machan. There is nothing like that for the moment.
Hopefully, same story might come up with another Top LTTE leader. I heard that there is something interesting going on. A TOP LTTE Leader/ some leaders might surrender lu.
Nothing for the moment.
To those Eelamists with fanciful designs for a separate state in Sri Lanka, I say, GIVE UP, you will NEVER WIN!
No Sinhalese with ancestral roots in Sri Lanka will ever forget this resplendent land, this Ratna Bhumi, we call home. It matters not where we live, how many years we have been away, there is only one "homeland," one Janma Bhumi, in the world for us, and that is Sri Lanka. This is not a thin cosmetic skin you can scrub out of us; it is an enduring vision in our collective conciousness as a people. We will protect and preserve the unity of this land, this Vijaya Bhumi of our ancestors, against all enemies with every fibre of our being. We, the living, will ensure that the generations of Sinhalese yet unborn can point to this ancient heritage, and proudly claim it as their own.
When supreme commander of uniformless troops is captured how many of you think he'd go for the cianide capsule?
forget cianide I bet he'd get down on both knees and cry like a little girl
LTTPussy hierarchy:
unimportant LTTpussy - eat cianide
commander LTTpussy - get captured or defect
supreme LTTPussy - beg on both knees
Mayil,
If you go to UTUBE, one of my daugters has posted western version of "NIM HIM SEWWA" song, check it.
If you go to UTUBE and search for "NIM HIM SEWWA" you will find it. She is singing it beautifully with marvellouse voice, even Amaradewa will appreciate it.
Rana,
""NIM HIM SEWWA MA SASARE"
"HAMUWEELA YUGAYEN BANDI YUGAYE"
"WEN WEE.......""
Love Amaradeva too. There is a decent remake of this song, sung by a woman on utube, accompanied by a solo piano, which I thought was excellent.
"If you go to UTUBE and search for "NIM HIM SEWWA" you will find it. She is singing it beautifully with marvellouse voice, even Amaradewa will appreciate it."
Wow, didn't see your post until I posted! Wish her luck for me! She also has some other songs which are also excellent.
if u want to listen to songs. there is nothing that can even compare to
www.sinhalajukebox.org
i know it streams a bit low quality. but the collection is amazing
there are over 1000 songs from Jothipala. Loads of artists. some of them i dont even know. if u havent tried it before, i suggest u give it a visit
Rover,
I am so proud to state she is one of my twin daugters. The other daugter is evan better. If search by surname you will find her sister with same surname singing "SANADA KEN DAHARIN".
Enjoy mates.
Nim Him Sewwa - Anushka Somathillaka
duzz,
I also heard that they have received reports that the LTTE is targeting a high profile Brigade commander. May be an suicide Air Attack targeting a brigade commander lu. (I dont know how)
Since the start of the Last Peelam War, the highest ranker that died from SLA is a Lt. Colonel. So there is a big possibility.
Here on wards, If LTTE is to carry out an Air Assault, it should be a suicide air attack for sure. It's very unlikely that they can return back. Their area is small now compared to those days, our FDL's are close to their air strips.
Moshe,
I totally agree with you mate, what you've said is 100% true.
As Bhairav said, Peelamies will wait till the right time. In their terms right time means till they see someone like RW in power.
Now we all can't deny that someone like RW will never become Sri Lanka's President. What will happen to the country then my friend?
In that time he will easily betrays,
1. Military Intelligence
2. Push Sri Lanka backwards by short term achievements
3. And all other crap things RW has done during ceasefire bull shit
What I want to mention here is without having strong constitutional backup (To protect Sri Lanka and its sovereignty, territorial integrity and MI), what ever the victories we experience today will diminish.
Rover,
Buddy, yes, Anu is my eldest daughter by two minutes, they are twins, Shani is the other and Shani is expert in music writing (composing) and singing.
They have many number of songs posted to UTUBE.
these LTTE fukcers who talk thru their dicks about tamil grievances after murdering & chasing thousands of sinhala & muslims from north east really fukcing bugs me.
I know a neighbor who's ID card says "DISPLACED FROM JAFFNA." the horror story he tells makes us wonder who the grieved people are.
so I think our army is doing fine addressing the grievances of LTTE right now. may ur tribe increase!good job!
"Rover,
I am so proud to state she is one of my twin daugters. The other daugter is evan better. If search by surname you will find her sister with same surname singing "SANADA KEN DAHARIN".
Enjoy mates."
Wow Rana, congratulations! I have listened to all those songs, they are both excellent singers. You should encourage them to sing their own sinhala songs. They would be so popular with most of the sub-par singers (if you can call them even that!) that we currently have! This made my day!! I am off..
Rover,
Huh huh ha, you got it, and posted the link to DW too!!
Thanks brother, that is my left eye!
If you see my right eye, Shani, you will be surprised!
puran,
thats a defeniet possibility machan..
by spreading various rumors about LTTE surrenders and defects maybe the tip of a more grand plan.. wait for our guys to lower their guard and BLAM!!
that mahen bloke coming up with news even before our sources fuel that suspicion.
considering the present threats. i wonder if our guys have those ground to air shoulder fired IGLA missiles.. better be safe than sorry.
Puran Appu,
There's a bit of a problem with suicide air missions
They cant get foreign missionaries to fly them.
ooopsie woopsie
if LTTDumbPussy fly them then even a village boy with a rock could bring them down
:D
Rana
My daughter too composing and singing.
rana,
mate, this is a public forum. please delete the post about your family.
we love you.
Lalith,
Mate, encourage it and give your full support to her brother.
My two daughters were endless joy to our family. They have gone away married leaving us alone, that is why I started blogging, mate.
What a pity, blogging cannot fill that vacuume, never, I am crying for my losses but what to do?
Girls will go when the time is right for them.
Moshi,
Machan, I know about your affection mate, I also have similar loving brother hood about you, brother.
However, My daughters have posted above songs before they got married and already are in public domain. In fact they have performed in many live shows, Aust & NZ radios already.
Do not worry my brother.
Breaking NEWS!!!!
VP planning to FLEE BY PLANE!!!
Stopterro at LNP reports on his page.
Rana,
Can you list the prices for those 2 daughters of yours.
Please do the price currency in Sri Lankan ruppees.
Also let us know the price in ascending order.
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