Monday, March 3, 2008

Why the Special Forces so deadly

A Sri Lanka Army Special Forces team that posed with President Mahinda Rajapakse in Vakarai many months ago, demonstrates why the SLA Special Forces are a force to be reckoned with. Hardly ever known to advertise its capacity, the unit shows-off for the first time what deadly power they carry into the battle field.

For example, the Officer in the picture below is carrying what appears to be a Heckler and Koch MP5SD Sub Machine Gun (SMG). This gun, which is one of the world's most accurate SMGs is popular among many SF units throughout the world. It is 'Sound Dampened' and only emits a sound similar to a stapler (see video)
H&K MP5SD
But, by far the most dangerous weapon the team is carrying is a Multiple Grenade Launcher. The South African Milkor MGL is a force multiplier on its own. It can destroy anything from infantry to vehicles.
Milkor MGL in the hands of the SF
The weapon is a product of Milkor/Ripple Effect company and uses 40mm grenades with High Explosive (HE) Fragmentation Warheads with close to 400m range. It has an infra-red (IR) enabled Trijicon Armson Occluded Eye Gunsight (OEG) enabling night fighting. The MGL can fire 6 40mm rounds in under 20 seconds.

Milkor (SA) MGL
The latest generation of this weapon includes the M-32 MGL (MGL-140) and the XRGL40 extended range MGL manufactured by Milkor USA with up to 800m range thanks also to a longer barrel. Capable of firing HE rounds, the MGL can use a new type of grenade called the 'Hell Hound' (see video). It also uses an ingenious method known as HUNTIR or a High Altitude Unit Navigated Tactical Imaging Round affectionately known as the 'footsoldiers' UAV' (M-32 video 2)

One of the soldiers in the team (pictured below) is carrying a PKM Light Machine Gun (LMG). An educated guess would be that the LMG is Chinese (NORINCO- China North Industries Corp). It however is also similar to the Kalashnikov PK-LMG.
A Russian (Kalashnikov) PK-LMG
This Special Forces soldier is wearing an ALICE Pack (All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment). He and the rest of the team are wearing uniforms with a patchwork of Advantage Camo used in hunting. The brown hunting camo in the green background would fit well in the green and earth coloured terrain these men fight in.
SF soldier wearing an Advantage Camo patchwork uniform, ALICE and holding a Chinese PK LMG with 100 round belt

70 comments:

Sam Perera said...

Needless to say that it is not only the equipment they carry, it is the training, intelligence, dedication, courage, and bravery of men who carry these weapons to the battle field make these weapons so deadly. These guys are nothing less than legendry.

Srilankan said...

Sam,
Agree with you fully.Theruvan saranai..to all our troops

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

DW,
Why not do an article on LTTE's 'Special Forces'?
I understand info is hard to come by but still some bits and pieces are out there. If the present Yala area conflict is an indicator then they also must be good on the physical aspect at least--excellent evasion skills, anti-tracking skills, camouflage, tolerance of extreme privation for extended periods, consumption of non-traditional 'foods', peak physical health, good morale etc.

What about the physical aspect os SF? any declassified operrations info?

SL said...

Great info defensewire. Great pictures, explanations and info. One thing you forgot to mention that makes our special forces so deadly is the amount of dedication through discipline, that they put out everytime they step into action!!! God Bless Them!

GO SL Special Forces!! SLSF!

SL said...

Why mention about LTTE phoney forces, all they do is HIDE, BRIBE, ATTACK, and RUN. They are bunch of animals. LTTE are nothing but animals! Nothing special for animals that are used to living in the jungle, compared to human beings who have trained, fought, and learned to live and FIGHT without hiding and running.

SL said...

so sun tzu disciple, if you really wana learn more about ltte, then visit your local zoo library or go visit the zoo. Lions that live in jungles have better tactics then LTTE does. Its not a rocket scientist to know that it is very difficult to find peole in the jungle if they are hiding, ONLY and ONLY because our country is not rich enough to spend enough resources. Otherwise, these ltte dogs will be caught like cockroaches.

Pina said...

May our lion hearted heroes be blessed with the benevolence protection of the Tripple Gem! True this is one of the deadly force that makes the tigers always to take their heels. They are well trained, diciplined, dedicated and a deadly force.Keep it up boys!you are the true sons of this land!

hemantha said...

"Why not do an article on LTTE's 'Special Forces'?"

"If the present Yala area conflict is an indicator.."

Oh yeh, Defencewire, Please write an article about LTTE Special Forces. Those fucks at Yala blew a claymore mine aiming a bus carrying civilians near Yala. Then they shot the ones who survived the blast (targeting civilians was intentional. shooting proves that). What a bunch of heroes.

Moshe Dyan said...

Wow! a picture says a thousand words!

Impressive DW the amount of info. you excavated from a single seemingly useless (because of the politician!!)photo.

Keep up the good work.

May God bless all Sri Lankan forces, protect them and bring them back to the safety and comfort of their loved ones-amen.

Sam Perera said...

std,

Is there any reason why we should learn about LTTE's 'Special Forces who attack civilians after hiding in jungles? What is so special with stealing food from civilians, killing civilians and blowing passenger buses? Anyway, either at DW or DN, we had some information about LTTE weapons used in the AAB attack.

Upul said...

The current title "Why the Special Forces so deadly" is grammatically incorrect,
The title should be "Why the Special Forces are so deadly". Anyways I call a spade a spade and I should admit the article is a very interesting read.

As I had predicted earlier the end of free and fair elections is now a reality. http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=8243

CASC said...

Upul said..... As I had predicted earlier the end of free and fair elections is now a reality.

Upul,
Your generalization applies to other countries too. In the year 2000, President Bush won the presidency of the US by supposedly beating his opponent by little over 500 votes in the State of Florida. Before the election, President Bush's brother, Jeb Bush, who was Governor of that State hired a private company to fix the voter rolls (in the State of Florida a felony conviction disqualifies a person from voting). As a result, over 57,000 people were incorrectly dropped from the voter rolls. When President Bush's opponent asked for a recount, the Supreme Court of the US stopped the recount after 43 days effectively handing over the presidency to Bush. The point I’d like to make is that not all countries are perfect in this regard, including Sri Lanka. SL is probably the only country in the world that has lost a President, two leaders of the opposition, numerous ministers and and parlimentarians in the electoral process due to LTTE suicide bombers. Yet despite the serious security threat posed by the LTTE to candidates and voters, it is remarkable that SL is still able to hold an election in the east.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040517/palast

Silva said...

stupidity pays alot... keep it up!

Panhinda said...

sun-tzu,

/*
Why not do an article on LTTE's 'Special Forces'? I understand info is hard to come by but still some bits and pieces are out there. If the present Yala area conflict is an indicator then they also must be good on the physical aspect at least-
*/

You mean the ones in the Yala area Claymore bombing civilian buses? "Special Forces" generally never deliberately kill civilians buddy. What you see in Yala are a bunch of cowards killing defenseless women and children.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

sl, pan hinda, hemtha et al,

Pl grow up kids. I am asking DW to deal with LTTE special forces to find out what makes them tick. I did not attempt to judge the morality of Ltte or SF here, just the military aspect. It is necessary for you to dissect and discuss threadbare the strengths(and weaknesses) or your enemies if you wish to defeat him. You guys are a disgrace to a defence forum with your repeated pseudo-patriotic pseudomilitary crap.
I presume we should discuss mostly military aspects here than indulging in cheap jingoism and my-gun-is bigger-than-yours type of theatricalism.

Calvin said...

That was awsome.. Saw this picture few 100 times but never notice this much info. Thanx DW,

Chaminda said...

Dear DefenceWire
I thought that the South African government refuses to sell us weapons. So the launcher would have been purchased through a third party?
The LTTE has an impressive presence in South Africa. They have managed to convince the ethnic Indian population in Durban and elsewhere that the LTTE cause in Sri Lanka is similar to the one fought against apartheid by the ANC. I remember speaking to a restaurant owner who was convinced this was the case. The SL High Commission on the other hand does just about nothing…

I remember being in very rural South Africa a few years ago and encountering a small sign at a farm. The sign said LTE and the depicted a tiger peaking through a hole with two rifles crossed.

tangara said...

All LTTE diehards are whinging...

Panhinda said...

sun-tzu,

/*
I presume we should discuss mostly military aspects here than indulging in cheap jingoism and my-gun-is bigger-than-yours type of theatricalism.
*/

You asked how one rates the group currently in Yala, and I gave my opinion. Frankly apart from killing innocent civilians, I haven't seen any "special forces" attributes in this group. I am not saying special forces do not exist in LTTE. However since Col. Karuna Amman left we haven't seen anything spectacular from their special forces other than AAB attack.

Navindran said...

Sam I agree with you its goes behind weapons. I second what Sun Tze says. No use just praising in the forum and reinforing your beliefs. Even Upul has praised defencewire. Hence wise up and contribute proactively in the forum.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

pan hinda,
One can wake up the sleeping, however deep; one cannot wake up the person who pretends to sleep.

---*** proverb.

nemesis said...

Agree with sam, its the men who make legends.. even for weapons.

One note, see how our lads have really taken to fieldcraft! they have got non standard DPUs. Its a normal Olive Green pants & Parka with "RealTree" strips sewn on to it, i bet they made it them selves. This is where training, tactics and experience come into play.

When I asked some lads in our specop’s units what they would like to have most, they didn’t ask for a lot of new weapons, they wanted light weight Secure Communications sets with head sets, NVG’s and handheld thermal imaging binos & weapon scopes, reliable batteries.

“ethuru tika api balagannam” one said with a cunning grin!

( Polymer Magazines were also asked for a lot & mine-resistant boots were also asked for)

Moshe Dyan said...

Guys,

It is to SLDFs advantage if an analysis can be done comparing SL SF an LTTE SF.

We cannot continue live in a fools' paradise. We must identify their STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THAN OUR STRENGTHS.

If we just praise WHAT WE LIKE TO HEAR AND DISPERSE WHAT WE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR, we are, to say to least, defeating the purpose of these websites.

Please have an open mind and don't jump to conclusions.

We must intellugently support the govt. plans and SLDF plans; not blindly.

nemesis said...

DW,

Good article...keep it up!

btw along with the Type-80 Chinese PKM we also use the PKM made in Iran. Sadly the latter is said to be poor& prone to malfunctions when used in sustained fire role…

Ranil said...

DW good job guys...keep it up :)

LKDOOD said...

DW

great post :)

LKDOOD said...

Lanka military: Soldiers capture small rebel territory as fighting kills 7 rebels

LINK



Military ties with India good: Sri Lankan Army Chief

LINK

Puffy said...

DW,
Just want to clarify, are you sure these guys are from the Special Forces?
I remember seeing a full size photo of these guys and there was a guy carrying a Commando flag in the background...

Whatever unit they are, the weapons sure look deadly!

One more question, what term do we use to refer to a T-56 or a AK-47?
I mean like LMG, HMG, MPMG etc. ?

LKDOOD said...

Sri Lanka: UNHCR commends government after boat people rescue

LINK

san said...

sun tzu,
ltte don't have special force they are just terrorist robbers, only robbery force .hey sun tzu disciple how old are you?

Ranil said...

puffy
if i may butt in :)
I think Ak47, T56, M16 etc are all called assault rifles

Ninja said...

There has to be some inconsistency of using names such as special forces, commandos, brigade and ranks such as col., lt.col. etc for both SLA and LTTE.

Apart from this as STD and some others sugested it is more useful to discuss LTTE strengths and weakneses. Finding SLA strength is not difficult as many things going through procedures, gazzette, cainet papers etc. But LTTE details are hidden and subject to grate deal of mis-information.

Denker said...

I think this article is to cherish our SF; and DW ur time on doing this article was very well spent and a great job!!
But sun tuz, y would DW want to waste the time doin an article on LTTE...?
This is an article to point out the greatness of SF and for us to be happy about our forces during the time of the victory; not for u to analyze it and make tactical decision...
What were u thinking.. I d like to know if u don't mind..

NOLTTE=Peace said...

As nemesis said, our special forces lack lack many of the basic stuff. Night thermal vision, wearable personal communicators, special boots that protect legs from APMs, few of the needy weapons that can not be listed here.

I would like them to be attached with sniper teams too, as currently snipers are not part of the core SF teams.

Our LMG, SMG concentration is also very low compared to other SF teams who are in war areas.

GPS equipment is highly short-supply. What we have also are text based and not the graphics based type (it is another story that we do not have electronic maps either).

Ours could be the world's best battle-hardened SF team.

I have seen, videos of US SF teams getting beaten in Afganistan and Iraq, and how much they panic and go disarray when they were attacked.

As I heard, our guys are like rocks who keep focus no matter what.. They deliver!

You are a pride of the whole nation - we salute you for the job you do with all the less resources!

Ranil said...

guys STD is a some foreign fella who's got a huge hard on for the ltte after getting info about them from the www and news media etc :)
Do agree with him that we need to know the strengths and weaknesses of our enemies but not sure whether we should share it with mental midgets who think they know a lot about this conflict by only looking in from the outside...
If one needs to "educate" themselves more about ltte forces why not visit one of those hundreds of ltte propaganda sites...
You can read great stories of ltte SF's folks from 12 year olds and up fighting for the great cause with the rest of their great "forces"...

Ranil said...

noltte=peace
alleluiah for that brother :)
SF is the tip of the sword...
I hope our political and military leadership understand their importance and appreciate what they do and try their best to make SF's job at least a bit easier...
btw..it's shocking to hear all these news about our SF... i though with their huge success rate and great reputation they must be on par to other similar teams with hardware...
Hats off to those brothers who always fight in the shadows without claims to glory and do it with minimal equipment...

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

""guys STD is a some foreign fella who's got a huge hard on for the ltte after getting info about them from the www and news media etc :)
Do agree with him that we need to know the strengths and weaknesses of our enemies but not sure whether we should share it with mental midgets who think they know a lot about this conflict by only looking in from the outside...""

ranil,

Sure you don't have either the data or balls to prove my arguments wrong with back-up thus leaving only innuendo and abuse as a last resort.Prove me wrong please.
I would like to know how many times you have gone snooping into LTTE areas to know first-hand info about them ,and also how many missions you took part in which arm of the SLDF against LTTE which makes you so smug about reserving 'ónly'rights for opinions on the issue.

Ranil said...

STD
you're not even in this country man... You have even less knowledge of first hand things than anyone else who's at least living here...
and for the record... I have nothing to prove to you mate :)
What i know and how i know matters only to me...
You on the other hand waits for an opportunity to score up the tigers... even calling these terrorists as special forces :)
what a joke...
Other bloggers have nicely summed up how these ltte "special forces" go about their business...

And on not having balls... I'd say a foreigner not knowing jack about the situ first hand trying to pass on his views and score up the tigers would be a better case for a ball-less syndrome...
we have the balls to stay in SL and fight it you SOB... Everyday when you go around in colombo with suicide cadres on the prowl is having balls and every sri lankan who has lived with this terrorist curse have more balls than you can ever aspire for...
Save your glossing up ltte acts etc for brainwashed diaspora dummies and their stooges...
we know what ltte really is

Ranil said...

btw STD
just noticed that even after many bloggers posting you Q's on your post here... you only decided to reply me eh :)
And that's also when my post was addressed at others :)
why man...no balls to take on all of us or is it that you like to reply to me only :) :) lol :)

why don't you come to colombo someday...we'll meet up in a pub and i tell you how i know about these things over a few pints :)

Puffy said...

Ranil,
Thanks mate for 'butting' in... ;-)
Still on the subject, can you please tell me what kind of machine guns are called 'Heavy Machine Guns'?
Is a AA gun a HMG?
Thanks!

Btw DW, if you are not so busy, can you please clarify whether those guys are SF or Commando?
Thanks!

Ranil said...

Puffy
Someone correct me if i'm wrong but HMG's are normally used with tripods and are not as portable as the other variants...
And yes most AA guns are indeed HMG's and so are the ones that are mounted on navy ships and boats...
So i think a rough way to say it would be LMG's and assault rifles are mostly for mobile ops where the HMG's almost always have to be either mounted onto a vehicle of sorts or used with a tripod...
You can use HMG in mobile ops as long as you can carry the bloody thing around and use a tripod

The most popular HMG must be the good ol 50cal :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_machine_gun

Puffy said...

Ranil,
Thanks for the info. mate!
If you were wondering, all this time I thought that those big guns (with bi pods) carried by our forces were refered to as HMGs.

Ranil said...

Puffy
there are HMG's that are developed with light weight materials and with less recoil etc...
DW can clarify but don't think our guys use anything more than LMG's in mobile ops...

Puffy said...

Thanks Ranil! :-)

the boss said...

same shit, different wrapping.

Defencewire said...

We would love to do an article on LTTE SF unit. Only thing is a lack of credible info. The other issue is, SLA normal infantry is killing them in Weli Oya as we speak. Earlier, they sent Charles Anthony and Imran Pandian to Mannar and Vavuniya. Now they have sent Ratha Regiment and members of the two other units to Weli Oya as well. In the fighting so far, regular infantry has killed over 200 of them last month. this makes us wonder how really special they are. Now this is our opinion and maybe a moot point. The only unit that has dealt a severe blow to the Security Forces (in this case SLAF) were the Black Tigers that attacked A'pura.

Defencewire said...

HMGs have tripods to hold the gun upright and to steady the gun during recoil. HMGs require two men, one to carry the barrel another to carry tripod and munitions. In Mannar, Vavuniya and Weli Oya, mini camps established inside LTTE areas have HMGs stationed for firepower in case of LTTE attempts to overrun them. We generally use for mobile attacks the GMPM (General Purpose Machine Gun) instead with 7.62 caliber.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,

as usual you have avoided replying my queries nor given specific incidents/proof of my tiger 'support'and gone for innuendos and name calling.

Just shows the type of person you are? The ONLY specific incident you mentioned of me supporting tigers is this:

""score up the tigers... even calling these terrorists as special forces :)""

Now let me quote Defencewire in same thread, next to your quote above:
""We would love to do an article on LTTE SF unit""
THAT makes DW a tiger-supporter by your skewed logic man! and I'm sure DW team can hand you something to remember by if you try to act funny, and without needing even a pint or two;))
grow up. I can't reply to every wannabe kid here and make DW into another pissing-contest like happened to DN:))

Ranil said...

STD
well i don't give a rat's ass of what you think the type of person i am.
You're just another blogger hiding behind a fake name in www :)
And yes according you not even a sri lankan who likes to see ltte "accomplishments" being spread out to the world...
hence the reason for asking DW to talk about the so called ltte SF..
Remember this thread is all about our SF and not your terrorist scummy ltte "forces"
And FYI DW himself have said even our regulars is crapping all over your ltte "sf" and you like to gloss over what that ltte unit in Yala area has done...
Get a life moron... those Ltte SF is only good at killing farmers in numbers :) and you think they are such a good SF team...of course you support the ltte man and having lived with the ltte all my life i hate bloody ltte supporters...

On the name calling thing... when someone has earned the reason to be called with something, it's only natural that people do that :)
Ie...ltte being called terrorists...some terror supporters call them freedom fighters while we call them terrorists..
the same logic applies to you man.. grow up a bit :)

And what facts have you written in here that i need to fight with facts? you have written some crap about an ltte unit operating in yala jungles killing civilians mainly and taking out a few soldiers... what's so big about that man..?
have you even been to those areas to even talk about the terrain they operate in to make a good judgement about their skills?

And for the record..if any of the blog authors decide to take my posts out...so be it :)
I aint scared and i'm loosing nothing :) I'm here and unlike you i actually make a difference... Not only sitting in front of computer and passing on stupid comments without knowing facts like you...

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

Here we go again,
another ranting lunatic without a mission.

Ranil said...

STD
the lunatic is the one who think the ltte unit in yala killing civilians can be called "special forces" :)

Ranil said...

STD and how about sharing some info as to how you figured out this "SF" ltte unit in yala have in your own words

"excellent evasion skills, anti-tracking skills, camouflage, tolerance of extreme privation for extended periods, consumption of non-traditional 'foods', peak physical health, good morale etc."

Ranil said...

"I can't reply to every wannabe kid here and make DW into another pissing-contest like happened to DN:))"

looks like somebody had got it tight from guys at DN eh :)

but gotta say STD...good stuff on the other thread about SF ballistic helmets etc :)

Long Ranger said...

Hey guys gotta be careful though...We shouldn't get complacent now! The LTTE "hidden-propaganda unit" might be spreading false rumors about non-existent internal conflicts within the LTTE....
So just watch out, everyone for false
"propaganda" and be wary of all articles posted on the net!

TC

Puffy said...

Thanks DW for the info. on machine guns.
According to Ranil, T-56, AK-47, M-16 are referred to as 'Assault Rifles'...
But term wise, can we categorise the above as GPMGs?
If not, please be kind enough to give some examples...
Thanks in advance!

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

[quote]STD and how about sharing some info as to how you figured out this "SF" ltte unit in yala have in your own words

"excellent evasion skills, anti-tracking skills, camouflage, tolerance of extreme privation for extended periods, consumption of non-traditional 'foods', peak physical health, good morale etc.[unquote]"

Now that you actually asked something I will give how I felt they have those skills:
1. Excellent Evasion Skills:
a.The ltte were cleared from east by july 2007.At least since then this team in Yala camped in this Sinhala majority area without being noticed--in an area new to them with a hostile population.
b.When they blew their cover in oct15 2007 the GoSL was truly surprised, so complete was their cover.
c.Since then they have attacked civilians and military multiple times, and are not detected before or after each attack by the thousands of army, home guard and police pumped into the area. Mind you this is an overwhelming Singala area.

2.Anti-tracking skills:
Since coming to notice in oct15, thousands of military(one report said 8000army, not counting homeguard/police/armed civilians)are on their trail using latest equipment/tracker dogs etc .But except 2-3 incidents these fellows never tracked down or made contact--so they must have good anti-tracking skills.

3.Camouflage: without camouflage skills nobody can perfrom no.1 &2 in a hostile area.
4.tolerance of extreme privation for extended periods:
To be on the run in a hostile area for 5months continuosly with thousands of soldiers searching to kill you would require tolerance to extreme privation--like not bathing for days, eating stale or raw food, not able to defecate or urinate except in streams for fear of detection ,keeping immobile in rain or shine,etc

5.consumption of non-traditional 'foods' : will be required for a team on the run in a hostile area needing to keep out of sight for months.Prob includes animals of every description, insects, wild veg etc

6.peak physical health:
Above can be done only by a person in excellent health.

7.good morale : Required for a person under tremendous pressure of being killed or captured for months on end.

These are my opinions. You can contest it .But it is no reason for abusing.Thank you.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

and for the others who are(justifiably) shouting hoarse about LTTE killings in Yala:

""1,500 Sri Lankans missing, government to blame: report
Stewart Bell, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, March 06, 2008""
also the IIGEP has pulled out.

Is it correct to condone killing your enemy but condemn when they return the brutality?

Ranil said...

STD
sorry but let me ask you another question if you don't mind... Have you ever been to the Yala area?

Ranil said...

"Is it correct to condone killing your enemy but condemn when they return the brutality?"

are you saying it's acceptable for the ltte to take out civilians through bus bombings etc?

If you don't mind...what's your nationality or rather which country are you from?

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,

no I have not been to Yala. I am very familiar with survival tactics and such.But point out the flaws in my argument will you?

I am a person of Mongoloid stock, in a successful SEA country w , but am working outside my country now. I have done quite a bit of research on your civil war starting from my Senior school days.I had some connection to the military in my younger days. I am afraid I cannot divulge more details than that ,hope you understand.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,
I condemn LTTE killing civilians in the strongest terms.They can never justify revenge killings. They deserved the censure they got from IC. But I also feel the GoSL is equally guilty of such crimes and need punishment too. One day, may Prabhakaran and Mahinda/GR stand in chains in a glass cage in the Hague answering for their crimes.

Ranil said...

"But I also feel the GoSL is equally guilty of such crimes and need punishment too. One day, may Prabhakaran and Mahinda/GR stand in chains in a glass cage in the Hague answering for their crimes."


what you "feel" without credible evidence is nothing mate...that's just with your warped logic and if you haven't been to SL to see how things are first hand and have to depend on other sources to get a clear picture...i'm sorry to tell you that you will never get ever get the right picture...

I don't support political parties but this president did try to keep the talk going with the ltte even when ltte were blatantly going against CFA... The man tolerated a lot before finally embarking on a military operation...
The present war situ was created by the ltte and not by the president... the president doesn't give orders to kill civilians etc like VP does... In war i'm sure you know civilian casualties do happen... that's the ugly reality of war...
But i think you're really ignorant and stupid to put the president and the ltte leader who has terrorized this country for decades in the same level...
Among many other things VP has marched thousands of children to their deaths man...what has MR done to resemble anything close to this even...

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,
have you read the reports of HRW released yesterday? It says MAJORITY of disappeared(1500+) in past 2 years is done by GoSL. That is living breathing humans with hopes and dreams, wives/fathers/kids/husbands .The report was prepared by local HRW reps+ Sri Lankan civil society groups .Not to mention SLMM/ UN/Amnesty/IIGEP/ UTJHR etc etc who had people ON the ground in Sri Lanka, even in areas of conflict , all filing similar reports. Are you telling me these people are all lying? All these orgs have a reputation of honesty and impartiality--as can be deduced by their scathing reports on ltte too. I am just echoing the voices of these people who actually went to these areas and even met with victims. You dont have to go to Germany to know Holocaust happened there. You dont have to go to Japan to prove Atom Bomb was dropped there, do you?

Ranil said...

STD
are you a Norwegian by any chance :) :)

on yala.
I'm not gonna go through each single point of your post but most of your points don't really make that much of sense in yala area...
And let me tell you that i have trekked through yala jungles, not in fancy jeeps but on foot... I've trekked in Buttala, gone into the jungles in motorbikes etc etc so i know the terrain a bit :)

To start off... you exactly don't need goo morale to do what these guys have done... In SL itself we've had robbers, gangsters and Marijuana cultivators etc who have evaded cops, stayed in the jungles for months and even years etc etc...
Even a coward can hide in a jungle, eat worms or whatever and hit a bus with unarmed civilians... I don't think you need huge morale to that.. If you know survival situation like you say you do... people do whatever it takes to survive and that doesn't mean you do it with good morale... it's just survival.... a very basic animal instinct

And when you say ltte was cleared from the east... the fact is that SLDF cleared all major camps and the heavy presence ltte...I'm sure few hundreds of them or so would've mixed in with the civilian population... And ltte did have this area under them for a long time and the sldf operations also took sometime to cut through so they had enough time to do this..

Yala area jungles are settlements are spread apart..some villages don't even have proper roads... there's heavy cover in the area with some streams also running across... you do get boulder formations near water ways and at some spots...jungle and the undergrowth is quite thick...
The terrain is vast and remote enough for a small tiger team hide quite easily and it's a nightmare for a hunting unit to take em out especially with our lack of resources...
Remember that we don't have detailed gps maps and sadly most sldf folks use numeric data based gps units and not the ones with GUI's... It's not easy for a secondary unit to come into assist a first unit that might've made contact with the said tiger team...
And all the time...SLDF team will be walking into a ambush by the ltte squad cos as you very well know...it's so much easier for them to defend than our guys to attack...
we don't have the manpower or the technology to do a complete combing of such a vast area...

Try and get some info about the area... that way you will understand what i'm trying tell you :)

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,

I do have a good info about yala, and although I find most of your arguments weak or ignorant of reality I will leave it at that. I do appreciate you however for putting forth points rather than irrelevant junk. adieu!

Ranil said...

STD
good to have heard from an all-knowing supreme human being like yourself :)

Just like you know for sure that LRRP made the hit on this tamil MP without a grain of evidence :)

talk about weak logic :)

Ranil said...

"I do have a good info about yala,"

Yep... all at DW can see that from your rantings about the great things this ltte team has achieved in yala :)

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

ranil,

ya ya. you are right. your great logic is indeed shining through. you have won the argument. I hereby present you the medal.Now go home and show it to mom.

Srilankan said...

its really g8 of u guys to be giving all dis info..bt guys.....d gud r nt the only ones who surf da net...............
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jaya Sri

Srilankan said...

u knw its reaally very very very very smart of STD to use his already pathepatic nick name.....cos if he was found...........id hate to think wt wud happen to da poor guy..........
peace out
jaya sri

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