Saturday, September 27, 2008

Ratha Regiment DPU leader killed

SLA 6-man team. Source defence.lk
Last month, the LTTE sent a team of 37 'Ratha Regiment' cadres to infiltrate the eastern region through Weli Oya defences. The team was detected at Konketiyawa by a Civil Defence Force member.

The Tigers, dressed in Army uniforms, had inquired from the CDF member in Sinhala, the directions to their destination arousing suspicion. The CDF member then ran away from the team narrowly escaping death and alerted the Army, CDF and the police of the infiltration. Finally the Special Forces managed to corner and kill 12 members of the team while 25 others managed to escape.

Two days ago on Thursday, a lone soldier in the Weli Oya defences at Andankulam North detected a suspicious man dressed in Army uniform and confronted him on the spot. The man was subsequently killed and a silenced weapon was recovered from his possession. Military Intelligence who were alerted to this attack were amazed to discover the man's real identity.

He was none other than 'Lt. colonel' Nadesan, the deputy of the LTTE's deep penetration forces from the 'Ratha Regiment' and was also the team leader of the 37 member team that were almost completely annihilated in August at Konketiyawa.

Nadesan was a high priority target that had avoided troops for some time. He had been given clear instructions to infiltrate areas south of Weli Oya to sustain cadre movements to the east and to sustain attacks at the rear of the Army. He is one of only a few high-ranking cadres to have been killed in a deep penetration operation in the recent past.

184 comments:

Thambapanniya said...

O Well :-)

Thambapanniya said...

any info on the remaining 24?

Lak said...

Is Konketiya in the vicinity of Yala? If so those could have been the terrorists behind civilian massacre in near by villages.

John D said...

Great job SLA! Keep on the hunt for the remaining infiltarators.
This should send a clear signal to LTTE that there old tactics are no longer working. They should lay down arms and surrender if they wish to live a little longer.

John D said...

lak,

Konketiya is around the border between Nortern and Eastern provinces. NW of Welioya I believe.

razor lk said...

im quite unhappy of this incident coz v lost a great source of information....but any way it definitely is a huge loss to LTTE. Welldone CDF.
That poor bugger must have being killed when he came out to pee...any way it seems that LTTE hasn't informed him about the danger of'on the rock peeing'

bungu said...

Defencewire,
I see following statements are contradicting.. could you elaborate please...

"Special Forces managed to corner and kill 12 members of the team while 25 others managed to escape."

And

"was also the team leader of the 37 member team that were almost completely annihilated in August at Konketiyawa."

Sudesh said...

Looks like their DPU leader cannot shoot straight with an ordinary soldier.

Mohammed Zubair said...

http://tinyurl.com/53sb4m

Best video I have seen in a while. Night time MBRL, day time MBRL, artillery, MI-24 and ground infantry!

Rana said...

bungu,

I agree mate, something missing there. DW - Could you please give more details and tell us how many of them are still roaming around b'cause some farmers were killed recently in Siamblanduwa, far away from Weli oya but who knows?

perein said...

DW-
Are you in a possition to reveal any info about captured LTTE black tiger who directly reporting to the ltte intel wing leader and to kapil amman?

perein said...

DW-
One other thing... When Nadesan got killed, surely there must have been few other LTTE would have been around !!!
Somthing is not fully matching up about why Nadesan acted by him self. Moreover why would he come around at that time? Was he tring to target some one ?

frackster said...

A nice vid on the Mi 24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-97u398xKd0&feature=related

Rana said...

Hi Guys,

At present context, SLDF do not need a permanent solid battle plans. Our strategies should be flexible to suite prevaling ground conditions. We don't have to go after them, if they are engaging us continously. Idea is to kill as many as possible and destroy their militery assets. LTTE is now counter attacking without retreating. Therefore what we need is engage the enemy continously with minimum damage and hardships to SLDF.

LTTE cannot afford to loose their carders for long. Then they change tactics and be forced to retreat.

TropicalStorm said...

Spoke with a high ranking SL official today. 'Killinochchi will be a drive through, do not even expect any heavy house-to-house fighting' was what I was told. There is high potential for an internal 'implosion' to completely disintegrate the LTTE command structure. Lower rung Tigers and recent recruits have started surrendering in significant numbers to the military and have sometimes been killed by their own leaders to prevent from surrendering to the army. This will speed up even more as the intensity increases and more of raw recruits get thrown into the fight. At the same time, higher numbers of 'elite' cadres are biting lead from the Army these days as they also get thrown into the fight.

Meanwhile the threat level has definitely risen in the south, and civillians are being asked to be extra-vigilant.

Sam Perera said...

TS,

"Spoke with a high ranking SL official today. 'Killinochchi will be a drive through, do not even expect any heavy house-to-house fighting' was what I was told."

It is hard to believe that it is going to be drive through. Matter of fact, we want the best of the LTTE cadre getting killed resisiting our attampts to take over Kilinochchi. I am also not sure if the Army Commander is telling the exact truth in indication of marching towards Kilinochchi next week.

Moshe Dyan said...

SLDFs should tackle tigers infiltrated to yala before it is too late.

handling them is a good excercise to aquire the skills for future guerilla tactics which will be the MOSTLY used tactic by the LTTE.

Nirosh said...

Yes, tropes are doing well in the battle fields, and ironically everything seems to be falling in our way, favoring us. The moral of the tropes and the gun power, all right. But we shouldn't forget that the serpent is still alive. Today, we are sitting on a volcano, which mean a one big blast can turn everything upside down. I know it is merely impossible to LTTE to stop the current offensive operation through a military fight-back even with their strongest units. However, they can delay it for couple of months. Apart from that, we need to remember that it is a war fare with a guerrilla unit. It is said that, when you are fighting with guerrillas, it does not matter how many military wins you gain, if you lost once, then you are considered a defeated, and guerrillas become the winners. This alone is enough for us to understand the importance of not losing the grip till the very last end.

No offense mate but I am getting frustrate as I started to see that we are releasing the grip little by little while trying to celebrate a victory, which we haven't gain yet.

If you look at the three items that I have listed below, you will notice, that still there are things that are not in our control. These are some important but vastly neglected (at least to my view point) areas that Sri Lankan military must look into...

- Are we really killing terrorist as much as we exploit our gun power?

- Where is the LTTE suicide attackers squad, there were 4000 at the start of this war, did we destroyed all 4000?

- We win the military war, but can we still get defeated in the political war?

Think about them..

Bhairav said...

What's it happening folks?

Two weeks back SLA were stationed about 3.5km from Kili town according to DW and some of the patriots here, what's the latest now? Are they linked up with Mugamalai FWLines?

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Rana said...

Guys,

There is something fishy in our battle lines. TF 2 at Palamoddai and 56 at Navatkulam are not progressing at all. Either they should kill many or advance in teritory, nothing much happening at those fronts. It seems taking Nachchikuda is abondoned now, why?

Could somebody please shed bit of light?

Rana said...

Further,

Our numbers large, they have superior air power back up and better militery assets too, LTTE has to be fully stretched, if they have only 4000 carders (Gen. SF's estimate). That means about 1000 to 1500 at each three major fronts.

Therefore either we should kill more or advance rapidly.

However, Nachchikuda Akkrayan axis and Palamoddai Vanatkulm fronts are still going on killing only minimal numbers.

Who could give a better explanation?

True Sri Lankan said...

Ohoma yang.....
Kilinochchi a 'ghost town' as LTTE administration collapses

Ninja said...

//Two weeks back SLA were stationed about 3.5km from Kili town according to DW and some of the patriots here, what's the latest now? Are they linked up with Mugamalai FWLines?//

Please be patient. What's the hurry?

People can wait 30+ years for peelaam but can't wait 2- years until SLA liberate north!
_______________________________________________

Rana

LTTE numbers are reducing daily. Thus cadre density also reduces each front. This makes thier total casualties less. Further if it their elites fighting now this also make their casualties low.

(Think about a fish tank. When you have a lot you can randomly catch some. But it is very difficult to catch the final ones, specialy talented smart fish. My fish tank experiance.)

But the good part is SLDF casualties also reletively low these days contrary to expected high own casualties.
________________________________________________

DW

You said some time ago

1) SLA is about to release new (defensive) division
2) SLA changed the plan and now strengthen current (ofensive) divisions
3) SLA is about to release two new divisions

It is in news that 57D has a new brigade 53-4.

So is this #2 above? Will #3 also happen?

True Sri Lankan said...

Lakbima Defence column
Army within kissing distance of Kilinochchi town

True Sri Lankan said...

Very soon the rat will either will have to commit suicide or get killed. He should be caught, bought to Colombo and killed in public.
Frantic Prabhakaran changes hideouts as troops close in

Ninja said...

Nirosh

//Today, we are sitting on a volcano, which mean a one big blast can turn everything upside down.//

Hard to agree. LTTE made KAB into ashes. Reversed 2 year jayasikuru advancement in 7 days. EPS lost. Economy went into negative growth rate. What they got was temporary CFA thanks to CBK and RW.

Even IF MR, GR, GenSF were attacked I think the replacement will be worse for tigers. What we have now is not a volcano it is rather a tsunami heading for wanni.

//It is said that, when you are fighting with guerrillas, it does not matter how many military wins you gain, if you lost once, then you are considered a defeated, and guerrillas become the winners.//

This is wrong. As per text books it is said if a conventional army totaly eliminate the guarilla force army wins. Otherwise guarillas win. i.e. Without getting elimiated (survival) also a victory for guarillas.

As far as LTTE is concerned they passed this guarilla staes and became semi-conventioanl army. Thus first now they are heading back to their previous guarilla sates. Secondly, main objective of LTTE is peelaam and it is not delivered to those still live apart from those sleeping under wanni cemetries. Thirdly, we don't need text book defintions. This is not olympic either.

Basicaly, once SLDF get the ability to enter any place in the island it is the victory. Killing 100% of tigers or vezapillai are secondary conditions. Some JVP hardcore members still alive after 88/89 and polce can't find Sakvithi Ranasinghe. Same can be true for hardcore LTTE members and vezapillai.

//No offense mate but I am getting frustrate as I started to see that we are releasing the grip little by little while trying to celebrate a victory, which we haven't gain yet.//

This is true.

//- Are we really killing terrorist as much as we exploit our gun power?//

No. If you have pistol and one bullet you can kill a cop who is in uniform and identified place. But the cop need lot of bullets to kill you if you are hidden.

//- Where is the LTTE suicide attackers squad, there were 4000 at the start of this war, did we destroyed all 4000?//

4000 is not suicide cadres.

//- We win the military war, but can we still get defeated in the political war?//

Yes. Scenario1. RW comes to power, order SLA to get out of N&E, or just give his interim whatever and then peelaam later. Many other scenarios possible.

Rana said...

My worries are given below:

I have high ranking defence officials speaking to me time to time b'cause they are my class mates. They are enjoying life with many fascilities. Children go to school in army geeps with security, wives goes marketing and shopping with 4-6 army carders. Infact for a loaf of bread they send a army geep with 4 mens and guns!
Every officer aboce colonel level enjoy atleast 5 govt vehicles give to their family members. Ge. SF wife uses Rs. 30M worth mercedies etc etc.

I don't mind all of this, if they have a progress. A real progress. Gen SF boasting having 250000 soldiers while estimating tiger strength to around 4000. Even if they have only 50000 good fighters fighters to fight 4000 strong LTTE, SLDF should make a better progress than what we see.

I heard from one senior policemen that army do not want to end this fight quickly b'cause they may loose all the comfort they enjoy b'cause of the war.

It will come down to this:

If our boys are so good, If we have more numbers at least 1: 10 ratio, If we have superior air support, if we have better militery hardware, what is the fuck army is doing killing only a 4 LTTE carders per clash and staying in one place for weeks?

Something is wrong there, soon it will come out. You may fool some people for some time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Watch out!

True Sri Lankan said...

Our friend, Mr. Atthas, the so called defence experts column
Critical phase of Eelam War IV begins this week

True Sri Lankan said...

Interesting...
President meets world leaders but Indian premier avoids him

Rana said...

sorry mates,

I don't read after writing b4 posting.

My spelling and grammer mistakes are higher becuse I am into the fourth Heineken with bit of whiskey before lunch. This is Sunday, do not forget that bro.

I am really pissed off with army today.

Ninja said...

//SLDFs should tackle tigers infiltrated to yala before it is too late. handling them is a good excercise to aquire the skills for future guerilla tactics which will be the MOSTLY used tactic by the LTTE.//

In fact, this war will be over within next 2 or 3 years. After that another 5 to 10 years SLA have to fight in miiliom acres of jungles with few hundres LTTE elites. LTTE has started it in eastern jungles. SLA need to start their long jungle war.
_______________________________________________

Rana

SLDF is not able to please every one. It is unfortunate you are one of them.

Rana said...

Ninja mate,

I don't want want anybody to please me mate. While appreciating their gain on tigers, I will say what I have to say about their f**king lethargy on handling thins any time I plaese mate. Don't tell me what I can say or not here after mate.

I know much better about our army than any one alse.

Ninja said...

Rana

Foolowing are all your words.

//My worries are given below:

I don't want want anybody to please me mate.

I am into the fourth Heineken with bit of whiskey before lunch.

I am really pissed off with army today.

I know much better about our army than any one alse.

Don't tell me what I can say or not here after mate.//

1. So you know about army better than GR GenSF. Great.

2. I or any one else didn't tell you what to write or not.

3. If you are drunk...enjoy....have a nice day.

priyashantha said...

August 14, 2008 4:40 PM
priyashantha said...
Dear Wijayapala,

Where are you? Please answer my questions Wije (Why do you always - I mean always - think in terms of race?). I have given many examples in the previous post.
I have another question for you. Why do you use 2 different profiles? Seriously man, why?

http://www.blogger.com/profile/00346419630040677390

http://www.blogger.com/profile/08423840344665332596
(This one has your portrait photo and you say it is the flag of Tamil Elam.)

You are a big pretender, aren't you Wije? A conman.

We will see many jokers like you here as ZTTE gets more defeats.

August 14, 2008 4:40 PM

Thereafter you may have tried the same trick again by creating a profile named “MIA”
http://www.blogger.com/profile/07565415502381164795.

What the hell is this man?

You find Moshe impossible and you want to call him a modaya but you are the real idiot to post using 3 different profiles in the same blog! May be more. I seriously think those who post here using more than one profile have chronic brain disorders. At the same time I agree with you that Moshe is a real modaya to reply to you!

You stopped calling people Sinhala Modayas after I exposed you. But still you can’t keep your masters names hidden, can you? I have not seen you finding fault with Tamil politicians although you blame the JHU always. Why man?

Look how you blew your own cover-off in style!
Moshe said, “…….i have already ravished many of your community's females……………” You replied, “….openly declare on the internet that raping Tamils is a great thing”.

I don’t approve Moshe’s statement although he did not say what you say, if you know proper English (the difference between rape and ravish). But you blew your cover-off in muttai style. It doesn’t matter what race you are. But what matters is you are a pretender and you while pretending a Sinhalese blame others Sinhala modayas! You are the real modaya.

I repeat, “We will see many jokers like Wijayapala here as LTTE gets more defeats while people like Upul, Kutti will disappear.”

priyashantha said...

Who comes here drunk in the safety of his house and blame the army?

There was news last week that a homeguard shot a Army guy and an Air Force guy dead. Don't try those here.

yako meka theberumak nemei.

Rana said...

Guys,

well, i am little off right now but can you answer this:

If we got the numbers, if we have air superriority and better Militery assets with 250000 strong army what are we doing with 4000 strong LTTE tigers withou showing some real progress?

Don't let them to takr you all for ride. Apply pressuure to getsome results mate.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

Nobody here really is giving thought to LTTEs apparent contradictory acts regarding the East.Unable or unwilling?

DW reported earlier. Athas reported today. That cadres from East are being sent back in toto.
Now why would LTTE do this, if they are on verge of being wiped out?? I would expect them to hold out in North if so.
Is it possible that LTTE is preparing ground for a massive showdown come monsoon? So that in case the North needs urgent reinforcements, the chances of troop pullout from East being minimised?In case troops are pulled out anyway, they can re-establish ground control.These of course only in case it makes significant gains, a tall order seemingly.
The other scenario being a realization of the inevitability of its downfall--hence preparing the East again for the long haul well before its end as a conventional force.

*DW:
The LTTE seems to be successfully targetting SLDF in all areas in East recently. Is it because troops have thinned out, or LTTE numbers increased, or LTTE regained public support?
Do the LTTE control ground at any part? Reports suggest they are controlling jungles in Kangjikudichiru of Amparai.
* Athas reports troops 7 kms from Kilinochi, which I would concur with if maps are to go by

Ninja said...

Rana

Do you think USA army is any better to SLA in terms of numbers and fire power? Why can't USA get bin laden so far? or why they still fight with talibans? (I don't expect you to find the answer until you become normal from current drunk mind. But try and tell us your answer.)

wijayapala said...

Rana,

"If our boys are so good, If we have more numbers at least 1: 10 ratio, If we have superior air support, if we have better militery hardware, what is the fuck army is doing killing only a 4 LTTE carders per clash and staying in one place for weeks?"

I think I should explain to you the difference between what normal militaries do, and what the SLA is trying to do.

Conventional war normally takes place between two states; it is not very often that a rebel army within one state gains conventional ability. In modern times, when one state goes to war with another, it does not try to totally annihilate the other state. Usually the aims are more limited, such as pressuring the other state into doing something or to desist from doing something.

A good example is the various wars between India and Pakistan. Indian strength compared to Pakistani can be roughly correlated with SL govt. vs. LTTE strengths. India had always come out on top in these wars, but it never pursued the goal of destroying the Pakistani state. It would consume too many resources and int'l opinion would've turned against India.

The key idea is that totally destroying another armed force is VERY DIFFICULT and normally doesn't happen because it consumes far too much of a state's resources. That is one primary reason why western defense experts claim that there is no "military solution" to the conflict.

What the SLA is doing now is just that- trying to annihilate the LTTE's armed forces. Of the 170,000-man SLA (not 250,000), about 40,000 are tied down defending Jaffna. Another 10,000-15,000 are defending the East. Of the forces currently deployed in the Wanni, a large chunk consist of "holding divisions" such as the 61 division which is guarding retaken territory and preventing LTTE infiltration.

If Fonseka's strategy is "Slow and Steady Wins The Race," then he will get no argument from me. As DW and others have pointed out, the LTTE has not conducted any significant attacks against the advancing SLA to date, probably because the Tigers have not been able to find vulnerabilities to strike.

If you don't like how the SLA is fighting, I would recommend that you enlist and tell Fonseka and Uncle Gota how to fight. I'm sure they will be dazzled by your insights.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Why can't USA get bin laden so far?"

Invalid comparison I am afraid.
The Taliban is fighting a pure guerilla war. Their fighters slip into Pakistan when pursued.They get shelter, arms, food, arms, money and recruits in Pakistan.Osama is prob in Pakistan, or dead.
You can maybe make fun of US Military Intelligence, not its military.
Opposite is true regarding LTTE.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Indian strength compared to Pakistani can be roughly correlated with SL govt. vs. LTTE strengths."

I am afraid this is a majorly wrong assumption.Waay major.

Bhairav said...

You do not need to look further than here that why majority of Sinhalese are modayas who often think "Wijayapala" is a LTTE sympathizer.

As far as I know, WP is effectively nullify the Eelam concept with his distorted facts while portraying himself as moderate Sinhalese. When he is totally against the Eelam concept, how can you stamp him as LTTE supporter? It seems most are juveniles here. People like Moshy Dyan and others go rough at WP when they failed to counter WP's arguments- this is typical lankan mentality.

Do not undermine others' arguments, unless you have valid points, otherwise it will backfire later on. Lets see how many of you can hide your faces under "Patriots" bandwagon.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

bhairav,

read rovers post in last thread to know why some posters gang up on him:))
I like the way Wijayapala systematically takes apart the arguments of the "Patriotic" as well as Eelamist bandwagon here.They have only abuses to counter with:))He seems to have lots of patience, giving long explanations--I simply cant be bothered with knuckleheads.

Bhairav said...

["Indian strength compared to Pakistani can be roughly correlated with SL govt. vs. LTTE strengths."]

When two countries are involved in the war, strategical weapons play a role. you can't compare the two nuclear states to correlate the SL vs LTTE military strength.

wijayapala said...

STD,

"Nobody here really is giving thought to LTTEs apparent contradictory acts regarding the East.Unable or unwilling?"

Nobody had yet asked, and I would point out that the LTTE has not yet demonstrated a real ability to threaten the east.

The LTTE is reinfiltrating to the east to tie down the forces that are already there. However, the Tigers have a disadvantage that their bases had been destroyed by mid-2007. What that means is that the Tigers only have access to hidden weapons which haven't been found by the security forces, and what they brought with them from the Wanni. They will not be able to conduct a long and sustained guerrilla war given their lack of resources.

"Is it possible that LTTE is preparing ground for a massive showdown come monsoon? So that in case the North needs urgent reinforcements, the chances of troop pullout from East being minimised?"

Interesting idea, but doesn't hold much water. There aren't a lot of troops in the East who would serve as sizeable reinforcements. Jaffna peninsula has over twice the number of troops and units. The Tigers have a bigger problem if the SLA captures Pooneryn and frees the Jaffna units for combat.

"The other scenario being a realization of the inevitability of its downfall--hence preparing the East again for the long haul well before its end as a conventional force."

This is the more credible possibility.

"The LTTE seems to be successfully targetting SLDF in all areas in East recently."

Really??? Explain.

priyashantha said...

Bhairav,

You have mixed things up. It is your Pala who hasn't contributed anything of military significance here.

Anyway I'm partly happy about his changeover from a far anti-Sinhala extremist who went arse-licking Jaffna (according to him "superior") Tamils to a lesser extremist.

Bhairav, I'm happy about you too! You seem to have given up on the Tamil Elam dream. When compared to where you were five months ago, you are much better now. I'm sure patriots had something to do with that brother.

Bhairav said...

[read rovers post in last thread to know why some posters gang up on him:))]

STD,

These patriots group are more of drug addicts who would like to hear nothing but pro-govern rosy things.

priyashantha said...

There is a saying that goes,

"Waasi peththata hoyya!

Tiger ass-lickers are now slowly creeping into our side to save their sorry asses."


aney wesipala!

wijayapala said...

Bhairav

"As far as I know, WP is effectively nullify the Eelam concept with his distorted facts"

Please tell me which facts I have distorted.

"When two countries are involved in the war, strategical weapons play a role. you can't compare the two nuclear states to correlate the SL vs LTTE military strength."

India and Pakistan had fought 3 wars and had a hell of a long cold war (and still do) before they became nuclear states. In conventional strength the Indians had the obvious edge in manpower, but the Paks had access to US weapons and aircraft.

Bhairav said...

[read rovers post in last thread to know why some posters gang up on him:))]

STD,

Due to my new project in new city, I hardly find time to read these blogs now. I'm in a bit of hectic work schedule now.

Panhinda said...

priyashantha,

go back to your village and do some fishing buddy.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"Really??? Explain."

WP, they were having nil attack rate( exception Yala)till 4-5 months back. Now on a regular basis they are shooting up or claymoring STF, SLAF, CDF etc from Trincomalee,across Batticaloa into Amparai and Yala.While the number of casualties may be not high, one must remember these are ' cleared' areas, TMVP on your side, IDPs possibly resettled according to convenience,across a widely separated geographical area &a unto-death war in north and no attacks till recently.

So I feel military significance can be read into it?

wijayapala said...

Priyashantha,

"Where are you? Please answer my questions Wije"

There are generally 3 types of people who post here:

1) The informed bloggers who either describe the situation of the SL military (like DN and DW), or the situation of the enemy and/or the community which the enemy claims to fight for (ie the LTTE and the Tamil community).

2) Bloggers who do not have access to the above information, but have the ability to ask intelligent questions based on the information presented by 1).

3) Dumbasses/retards/modayas who don't know anything and aren't smart enough to ask questions. This group tries unsuccessfully to display a sense of worth by pretending to be special forces tracking down LTTE infiltrators in cyberspace.

Before I answer any more of your questions, I would like to know which category you belong to. I have classified you in category #3 which is why I generally don't waste my time with you. If I'm mistaken, you are free to prove me wrong by posting something intelligent on the current war.

"Why do you use 2 different profiles?"

I only use one profile. If you don't agree, then show me a single post of mine which has a different ID number than the others.

I am also not "MIA"- some dumbasses in DN made that assumption without any evidence. I had written a response to MIA where I disagreed with some of the things that he had written. If you were not a modaya, you would have been able to discern that.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

"The LTTE is reinfiltrating to the east to tie down the forces that are already there."

and..

"Interesting idea, but doesn't hold much water. There aren't a lot of troops in the East who would serve as sizeable reinforcements."

???

Ninja said...

Wijayapala

Mostly agree with your reply to Rana. (But I doubt he understand any thing there now as it seems he is drunk.)
________________________________________________

STD

//Invalid comparison I am afraid.//

It is given basicaly to a drunk guy to think about. You can't match every thing with bin laden but some similarites also there.

________________________________________________

Problem about Wijayapala

Questions are here weather wijayapala is tamil or sinhalese or jaffna tamil or eastern tamil and so on. Also is he pro-LTTE or LTTE mole and so on.

I think the best thing is to read what some one write and reply to what he wrote rather than talking about ethnicity one may belong to.

wijayapala said...

STD

"Now on a regular basis they are shooting up or claymoring STF, SLAF, CDF etc from Trincomalee,across Batticaloa into Amparai and Yala."

I wouldn't agree that the Tigers are attacking the security forces "on a regular basis," although I defer to DW or dA if they disagree. The Tigers had fought similarly against the STF in the first few months after Thoppigala fell last year. The attacks then dropped near the end of 2007, only to pick up again recently.

Probably a better question to ask is why the LTTE did not conduct this guerrilla campaign to disrupt the local or PC elections in the east this year. The LTTE did make a pathetic attempt during the PC elections by attacking Ampara town with a mortar.

DW more than once has flagged the topic of the LTTE returning to the east, so I would not completely rule out what the LTTE can do. Still, the LTTE's efforts so far pale in comparison to the sort of eastern guerrilla warfare they conducted in the early 1990s, where they would successfully push the SLA and STF into massacring entire villages and turning the entire population against the govt.

"He seems to have lots of patience, giving long explanations--I simply cant be bothered with knuckleheads."

Well, I don't respond to every idiot here. Although sometimes they say such dumb things it is too hard to pass up the opportunity...

Panhinda said...

Wijepala,

as you said, the LTTE is too smart for traditional counter insurgency psyops. things like food, switching lights on, parrippu etc will not work on these “high strung” tamils. i was arguing for psyops but with real intentions and content that appeal to their high order values. in other words, use delivery mechanisms of psyops but with quality content. content that reinforce their beliefs that they are the “cradle of civilisation”, Tamil is the mother of all languages and they are not a minority but a “nation” etc. it does not really matter if its factual. delivery mechanisms must have the ability to break through LTTE propaganda such that it has a lot more appeal. if political changes accompany the message its all good. this area is a bit tricky though because what appeals to LTTE is rejected by majority Sinhalese, hence the war. however I have myself started a small project to experiment with a few things. if you let me know your email, i will forward it to you for your opinion.

the inspiration for my "psyops" idea came from article below.

Psychological Warfare: The Army's Covert Dimension

Defencewire said...

thambapanniya,
the 24 entered east via kadolana now and are harassing STF but a bunch of them who went up against the SLA got wiped out thanks to two white vans sent from Trincomalee. This is the maximum distance we can go with that.

lak,
yala team is separate. we believe they were brought there during CFA.

bundu,

no need to get confused over this. the team was detected and soon split into groups of around 12. one team got cornered others escaped. for a DPU team like this, this is a narrow escape. they could have easily been wiped out if the SF were deployed immediately without CCMP personnel experimenting before calling in the experts

there were others in a large team for sure.as an experienced cadre he has ventured out and was detected and killed. this happens sometimes even with LRRP. the team leader sometimes has to take initiative. if it does not work the rest of the team hiding behind will take flight.

this indicates a desperate attempt to hit at the rear and collapse the troops in my opinion. this is the LTTE's only hope. we have seen this many times over.

perein,
when something is that hot, we do not ask. we wait. all in good time.

rana,

TF2 and 56 are holding divisions. Their purpose is not to 'progress'. they are protecting a soft part of the defences. They also have a role to play in getting civilians out.

When I said two more divisions waiting to join i did not mean two brand new ones. I meanst the 53 and 55.

STD,
Tigers are not that powerful in east. 100% of the activities are in STF areas. This is due to incompetence of the STF. We have highlighted this many times.

wijayapala said...

STD,

Sorry, didn't see your last comment.

There are 2 divisions currently deployed in the Eastern Province. By comparison, there are at least 7 division-sized units of various sizes in the Wanni. If the LTTE is able to inflict a disaster on a presence of this size, it is unlikely that the eastern units will be able to help much given that they would be a drop in the bucket. They may not be able to arrive in time either to stop a total defeat, given their distance and the SLA's logistical limitations.

I liked your 2nd idea more.

Ninja said...

Black tigers, white vans and king makers - SF/LNP

priyashantha said...

Wijayapala,

You didn't answer my questions man. I have given the 2 profiles that you used.

wijayapala said...

Panhinda

"as you said, the LTTE is too smart for traditional counter insurgency psyops."

Nono, I was talking about the Tamils as a whole, not simply the LTTE. I would argue that outright bribery may work better with the LTTE than normal Tamils given the unbelievable corruption and discontent that exists in that organization.

"content that reinforce their beliefs that they are the “cradle of civilisation”, Tamil is the mother of all languages and they are not a minority but a “nation” etc."

I would disagree with this approach- you may be surprised to hear this, but most Tamils in the N-E do NOT believe that they are the cradle of civilization or that Tamil is the mother of all languages. As for this "nation" business, the only reason why Tamils use that is to establish a sense of equality with Sinhalese. If they were to feel like equals within a united SL, then they would abandon this idea of Tamil nationalism. One thing you have to be careful of in psy-ops is to avoid legitimizing the enemy's ideology.

Let me give an example which may work. In Tamil culture there is a performance called Therukuttu ("street theater") which is an old and traditional Tamil art form but is very commonly used for modern purposes. It is common to find in Tamil Nadu and Tamil parts of Sri Lanka, and the LTTE has often used it to highlight their cause and denigrate the govt., using their own fighters as the actors.

For some reason, the govt. has not thought of using Therukuttu to communicate with the Tamils, despite its very simple and straightforward nature. As long as you avoid blatant lying and crass propaganda, and as long as it's actually entertaining and not boring crap, using Therukuttu would give a subtle but clear message to the Tamils that their culture is valued enough to be incorporated as a means of communication.

Therukuttu is a means of delivery but there would have to be a message. Again the best approach would be something simple. Street theater could be effectively used in places like the east to highlight the shortcomings of the LTTE and to make fun of Fat Ass. Sarcasm works great with street theater.

"however I have myself started a small project to experiment with a few things. if you let me know your email, i will forward it to you for your opinion."

It would be best to share your idea with everyone, but if you do not want to then my email is af7802@yahoo.com.

Thanks a lot for sharing the link. I'm glad that you are actively searching to read and learn more on your own, not relying on someone else to spoonfeed you.

Panhinda said...
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Ninja said...

//This is a fantastic idea. I hope those who matter in GoSL is listening.//

Firstly, I doubt any responsible GSL person reads this blog. Secondly, in this case whoever perticipate in these events can be easily targeted by LTTE.

Panhinda said...

wijepala,

/*
In Tamil culture there is a performance called Therukuttu ("street theater") which is an old and traditional Tamil art form but is very commonly used for modern purposes.
*/

This is a fantastic idea. I hope those who matter in GoSL are listening.

ps: forwaded you the email.

Ninja said...

Well, above was a comment from panhinda to a reply for wijayapala but the coment was deleted.

Panhinda said...

ninja,

/*
Secondly, in this case whoever perticipate in these events can be easily targeted by LTTE.
*/

there is no reason why identities of actors involved in theater cannot be hidden with a fake moushe or hair do. do the work, publish it on video and make it available for download. its very simple and effective.

Ninja said...

panhinda

I actually don't know what this method really is. Wijayapala said it is street theatre. So its not about www thing and rather a traditional way of communication/ propaganda among ground level.

So in this case you need talented tamil speaking people to perform this. (Every one can't be an actor.) LTTE go to the home and kills tamil cops in east. If any one joins he should be doing that risking his life. Tossi is too good to see through the 'make-up' if they need. I think wijayapala can explain more.

Rana said...

Guys,

Best therakuttu ever produced is on the satge at the moment, not only the tamils in north and east but the whole world is witnessing the drama.

Please do not forget that the victor will be correct
and looser become the villain in the end.

For the sri lankan tamils they were watching this therakuttu for 30 years now and if they can't learn something by the end they will never.

Vigilante said...


Remember Killinochchi is not a cake walk for the SLA.Unfortunately the worst is yet to come.

FBI called the LTTE the most ruthless terrorists organisation in the world for a REASON.

LTTE is in possesion of couple of MBRL's, few dozen SAM'S and unknown number of other weapons.

Then, there are several hundred black tigers at its disposal.

Civilians should look out for LTTE suicide missions in the South.

True Sri Lankan said...

Heroes for ever

Rana said...

Vigilante,

I don't believe they have and surface to air missiles, if they have any, why not use now with so much sorties going on.

They may have some brain washed mentally sick few still around but who cares.

Whatever, they will do or trying to do is immaterial now. We will see through this. Logically they will be finished, it is a matter of time now, mate.

Please do not try to paint this invincible crap on tigers, as they are no better than bunch of hooligans used to roame around in a civilised society.

Vigilante said...

Rana,

So far this LTTE fired 7 SAMS at SLAF aircraft.

Read these pages and specially the comments of MIG29-C.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2006/9/8415_247.html

Vigilante said...

I am sure SLA will see through this. However, do not underestimate the enemy. In 1999, they were written off by when the devastating counter attacks happen .May be this time we will be spared. Time will tell..

Ninja said...

I thought it is worth commenting on the following comment from rana. (rana do not need to reply to this. Also, we observe diviations in his comments when he is drunk and not drunk.)

//My worries are given below: I have high ranking defence officials speaking to me time to time b'cause they are my class mates. They are enjoying life with many fascilities. Children go to school in army geeps with security, wives goes marketing and shopping with 4-6 army carders. Infact for a loaf of bread they send a army geep with 4 mens and guns! Every officer aboce colonel level enjoy atleast 5 govt vehicles give to their family members. Ge. SF wife uses Rs. 30M worth mercedies etc etc. I heard from one senior policemen that army do not want to end this fight quickly b'cause they may loose all the comfort they enjoy b'cause of the war. I don't mind all of this, if they have a progress. A real progress. Gen SF boasting having 250000 soldiers while estimating tiger strength to around 4000. Even if they have only 50000 good fighters fighters to fight 4000 strong LTTE, SLDF should make a better progress than what we see.
If our boys are so good, If we have more numbers at least 1: 10 ratio, If we have superior air support, if we have better militery hardware, what is the fuck army is doing killing only a 4 LTTE carders per clash and staying in one place for weeks? My spelling and grammer mistakes are higher becuse I am into the fourth Heineken with bit of whiskey before lunch. This is Sunday, do not forget that bro. I am really pissed off with army today.//

Firstly, we know high ranked officers use soldiers for their house work, as servents. But saying that SLA don't finish the war to keep that life is condradictory. If one has 5 men when there is a war he can have 10 men as servents when there is no war.

Problem here is some people who are from royal/ st. thomas etc couldn't find jobs ad join the army to play rugby and have a sporty life style. They stayed in colombo and with seniority they became high ranked officials commanding 1000s of troops but didn't know how to fight and knew speaking english only. Soldiers joined SLA from village areas should be their servents was thier idea. I know this not becuz I had classmates in high ranks but I have friends in low ranks. Those were the officials who were responsible for all the defeats prior to 2005.

Commsions as the reason for dragging war is much better but again the reality is different as per my experiance. Many high ranked officers simply didn't have courage or determination to fight and defeat LTTE. So it not that "they had the ability to finish the war but just to make money they drag it". This is false and the truth is "they did not have the ability to win the war and they earned money by commisions just becuz there was an unending war".

It is said now the promotion system ans procuring system in SLA has changed but I really don't know the above serevnts practice is still there or not under GenSF.

Second point is 50% of sinhala vote base in south get drunk and then they talk like that.. 'what the fuck SLA is doing...why they can't finish this war in 24 hrs...etc. Problem is our democratic politiccas has to satisfy these voters. That's why whenever there is a election they had to show fireworks to south without any proper plan to defeat LTTE still with expense of SLA lives. Result was decreasing moral and dessertaion and the rest is history. Only exection is MR and we don't need repeat telecast.

Rana said...

Vigilante,

I will reply to you after going through the link you send. Thanks for sending it.

Ninja mate, it is true that when I have couple of drinks, I get easily pissed off.

However, what said about most of those high ranking officers are true. Some officers are good and and dedication is also true.

I don't want to demoralise our at all but some of them are demoralising lower ranks by doing so many things which are well known to the lower ranks.

If do not believe me speak to your friends and find out.

I will not say these thing at point like this, if I am not sure mate.

Arsath said...

Great job done on killing the terrorist, but DW what is your opinion about the pictures posted by Tamilnet on a SLAF raid.

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=27042

I have children of similar age, I am greatly disturbed by these images. If these pictures are true, SLAF has to be more careful in picking targets in the future.

Panhinda said...

heylo ninja,

what you are pointing out to is a phenomenon that exists in all levels of lankan society. there seems to be some confusion what makes an elite. the problem is more often than not, the new entrants to this class have very bad role models to follow. to me, the elite is an educated, respectful and cultured individual who has a calm collected demeanor. the elite never breaks the law and stands as a shinning example to those who arent. they have respect for mother tongue and other popular languages, also be able to articulate in the chosen language without mixing words from other language. anyone from any background is able to become an elite. i have recently heard few generals who have excelled in the battlefield and spoke most eloquently in sinhalese. these are the true elites not the fakes like gen. ratwatte or daluwatte of yesteryear who needed a mercedes or servants to show they were elites.

Ninja said...

Rana

//However, what said about most of those high ranking officers are true.//

Agree. I didn't claim any thing you said as 'false' rather added my point of veiw.

//I don't want to demoralise our at all but some of them are demoralising lower ranks by doing so many things..//

Again true. And this is exactly what I said. Mostly, and unfortunately, this servents for house keeping problem comes not from military officers but from their wives. Even though this is not the most critical factor for demoralizing a soldier it is one of them.

If GSL can provide servennts to these requied officers and their families from civilians even by government money still it is better. (1) It will create new employement oppertunities (yes, one who plans to go to middle east and come back after hospitalizing easily can eran the same money with less risk) and (2) it keeps a soldier as a soldier without making him a servent and without demoralizing him.

Officers may need security but taking kids to tution classes, wife for shopping, dog for a walk and cleaning garden cannot be a part of provoding security.
_______________________________________________

Panhinda

//i have recently heard few generals who have excelled in the battlefield and spoke most eloquently in sinhalese. these are the true elites not the fakes like gen. ratwatte or daluwatte of yesteryear who needed a mercedes or servants to show they were elites.//

Actually when we talk about so called "elite" background and "elite" schools we had few great officers like Gen. Kobbakaduwa. But majority was not like him. And yes I think now in SLA you don't need "kadda" to go up.

Panhinda said...

http://www.itn.lk/news_06_20080927.html

wasn't he bitten by a snake? why isn't he dead? he should be dead.

Rana said...

Panhinda,

You are wrong mate, This so called elite breaks the law whenever they wanted and get away with it b'cause they have friends at high level.

If you know anything about sri lanks it is not what you know but whom you know.

Sri lanka is continously raped and repeatedly F**ked by so called elites each and every day. It is ordinery folks who pay the price.

About genarals speaking in native langauge nothing new it happens due to two factors:

1. Subordinate staff do not understand their command clearly.

2. They don't know how to express themselves clearly in english.

100% defence force officer buggers are those who cant do well at studies but trying hard to get same social status as engineers and doctors by joining to forces and becoming genarals.

Lankapura said...

Wijayapala, keep up the good work. I find your postings more interesting than postings trying instruct SF and GR about military strategy. Obviously people can decide for themselves if you are an LTTE supporter or not.

arsath, I guess nobody here knows whether those photos are genuine or not. It is worth noting however that the civilian casualties in the current war has been lower than any previous war or any comparable war in other countries. That is no consolation to the people who suffer, but that is the reality of war, and the solution is for the LTTE to be wiped out so that it doesn't happen again.

Panhinda said...

rana,

/*
You are wrong mate, This so called elite breaks the law whenever they wanted and get away with it b'cause they have friends at high level.
*/

buddy, the elite breaks the law and gets away with it because the normal modaya's allow it. take for example Rohitha Abeygunawardena just gave link above. he does not by any means fit the definition of an 'elite', but only a wanna be. this guy stole rs 450 million from the public and now he can stand infront of that crowd without any hesitation or embarrassment. i can assure you the modayas will elect him back as well. this is the problem. see, the people allow the so called 'elites' to commit daylight robbery and get away with it.

Ninja said...

53D and 55D advancing through Muhamale and Nagarkovil ???

Rana said...

Ninja mate,

You got it on the spot.

Some time back Gen. Siril Ranathunga whome I knew very well during 1981-1983 period under JR was popular with lower ranks as a man who sleeps under the bed just b'cause his wife does not want to sleep with him.

there are many high ranking officers who has no guts to think themselves but rather lick whoever has the power.

Rana said...

Panhinda,

This is not what you said, you said they stand like shining bla bla. I can tell you this much from my experience, 90% of those called elites are basterds whom will sell their mothers for few more bucks or a higher position for power.

Moshe Dyan said...

ninja,

what's your source?

sala salang said...

ninja,

'Second point is 50% of sinhala vote base in south get drunk and then they talk like that.. 'what the fuck SLA is doing...why they can't finish this war in 24 hrs...etc. Problem is our democratic politiccas has to satisfy these voters. That's why whenever there is a election they had to show fireworks to south without any proper plan to defeat LTTE still with expense of SLA lives.'

General public do not get the accurate information about military situation, or what the politicians and high ranking GAs are doing for that matter. They rely on public media, which draws a very distorted picture.

The problem is, everyone thinks they know everything. Like when you watch a cricket match, everyone watching the TV knows better than those in the field, who happened to play cricket for living.

Politicians know this very well. They will manipulate the media to suite them, and make the public believe that public is the king. Public will take the bait, whilst thinking they have the upper hand .

This is the same reason why RW-p, and the diaspora too, is loosing by hoping that IC will bail them out. All IC can do is put pressure on the gov. IC can not come and vote for anyone, only public can.

Moshe Dyan said...

arsath,

the pics are PROBABLY true. civilian casualties are going to increse bcos of the way LTTE uses human shields.

however, what we should focus is a LONG TERM solution which will benefit EVERYONE.

there are laws of war. as long as we don't DELIEBERATELY target civilians (and civil infrastructure) ANYTHING IS OK in war in practical terms. SLDFs always try to minimize collateral damage.

as i always say, this war is like CANCER TREATMENT. along with AFFECTED cancer cells SOME good cells WILL also get wiped out.

kapptipola said...

Arsath

hello ..yes we all have children of that age.so what is your solution for eliminating brutal black tiger terrorist who is trained to kill innocent civilians and kill them self.do u have any level of concern over this? .so its a their responsibility to keep the children in their bunkers and terrorist camps i dnt think if they really love their children they will keep them inside there bunkers .this is why we call them barbarians LTTE will eat their children flesh if they really wanted.

this is how LTTE bitches fighting, doing cheap things never done by freedom fighters.

Rana said...

moshe dear,

They can't advance until troops from south clears EP but they will do some skirmishes to keep enemy occupied. i don't reqire links to say this but just look the recent history.

kapptipola said...

Moshe Dyan

exactly ..i like ur example !

so if u not treated quickly all die with all the cells !

Renegade! said...

defencewire/guys

stop abusing iqbal athas all the time ok?.its true he has been makimg blunders in identifying weapo systems,but he is still widely respected in the "not-so-militarily-savvy-public".

His exposes on rampant corruption in government weapon deals is admirable.in fact,there is great threat to his life as well by crooked security force officers and even by that shitter GOTA!! AND MR's cronies!!

ad remember,its not evrybody i SL,thats fortunate like us to be in a blogger community and exchange ideas..so they have to depend on the good ole sunday times for their sunday military fix..

so stop abusing athas,defencewire and continue YOUR good work without finger pointing.that would be a start.. :)

Moshe Dyan said...

kappetipola,

thanks mate. this example can be EXTENDED to MANY other issues surrounding TERRORISM as well.

e.g. a cancer patient can have a RELATIVELY "PEACEFUL" time if he/she gives up therapy. hair will grow; nails will grow; physical and mental torture of radiation treatment will not be there.

BUT then he/she will have to face the music later. EXEACTLY like out 2002-2006 "ceasefire".

rana,
i hold the same view, mate. but things can change sometimes SUDDENLY.

sala salang said...

Could that Italian INGO deserter be the mercenary pilot?

Are there any more INGO deserters?

Vigilante said...
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Arsath said...

Does anyone know anything about paratroopers in SLDF? Do we have trained paratroopers?

Why I am asking is that if you have seen BAND of BROTHERS, the easy company does a great job from the Normandy front till the end of the World War II.

Cant we do something like what the easy company did? This would be highly targeted operations rather than dropping bombs.. I am no military expert just a thought.

Richard said...

Good news, but ... this is the time to press on with maximum force and take no prisoners. If you let even one cancerous cell live in a body, the cancer will return.

Lankapura said...

sala salang, I am guessing the Italian 'passport holder' is a Tamil residing in Italy. What DW was talking about an experienced foreign pilot, not a die-ass-pora member.

This news about Kilinochi being a ghost town is quite interesting.. forces taking Kilinochi will make Pooneryn and Elephant Pass untenable pretty quickly. So giving in easily looks pretty sinister.

kapptipola said...

Arsath

yes friend basic Commando training cover up paratrooper training .

it is good for movies but highly failed real life war situations.

hope you didnt know what was happened to Indian paratroopers dropped to Jafna.

this is could be possible if we dropped 1000-1500 paratroopers at once !

Arsath said...

kapptipola,

Band of Brother is no movie, its a documentary on the battles and hardships easy company faced. Some of the maneuvers and techniques of the battalion have been recorded as text books cases and are taught in military schools even today.

check these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Winters

Srilankan said...

Lankapura,
"This news about Kilinochi being a ghost town is quite interesting.. forces taking Kilinochi will make Pooneryn and Elephant Pass untenable pretty quickly. So giving in easily looks pretty sinister.".
you may be right mate.It is also possible that the LTTE know that the forces want them to attack with as many resources as possible so that many cadres can be killed which they may not be prepared to do because they need to continue this war in the "terrorist mode".However killi is mined to the teeth..with the formidable "invincible" tiger weapon..the mines..and i am sure Gen fonseka knows this..

Lankapura said...

Yeah srilankan, quite true, Kili is highly unlikely to be a walk-through. If Kili falls quickly there would be a large number of terrorists trapped in the area from Nachikudah to Pooneryn, and in Elephant Pass. It is quite unlikely that they would be left behind for total annihilation.

Puppet Mask said...

renegade!,

Iqbal Athas gather information by bribing military officials. In this way he is feeding to corrupt system as well. I think some officers bribe him back to shut him up too.

But I concede he's got a considerable fan base. Sri Lanka and overseas.

Puppet

thambala said...

About some bad vibes going on here about high ranking army officers keeping soldiers as servants etc.

I find this unwarranted at this moment. It is common knowledge that SF plays based on merit and not for lip service. You can see how he turned the Army hierarchy upside down. He promoted the 15th in line based on merit but not on seniority. For this upright nature (I'll tell even though his adversaries call him ponseka, phony etc. he's got real tough balls. One has only to look at how he turned up his nose at CBK when she tried to remove HSZs in Jaffna) SF is well respected and loved even by the lower ranks.

On the contrary many high rankers who got sidelined by him (rightly so) should be conspiring tooth and nail to bring this man down. SF has said publicly that he cannot and will not entertain high ranking officers who do not perform. All he can do for them is to find lucrative foreign jobs etc. One such example I guess is that of CO at Muhamalai front. After three failures (may be not due to fault of his) he was dispatched as the defence attache to US. May be he couldn't keep him there any more due to repetitive failures.

So it is crystal clear that the non performing at the Army (be they elite or not) is conniving to get at SF and our handle "rana" may be a victim of such misinformation. Or he is being impersonated on the blog.

If the wife of SF is using a 30M car, let her, SF deserves it even if it is just for standing up to CBK.

I am very confident that if the keeping servants while the whole army hierarchy knowing it they must be getting adequately compensated. If not then SF may be in the dark.

But these allegations must not overshadow the fact that the Army hierarchy has been refreshed for good and we may not even have to worry about the absence of SF as he has done the most important thing that is expected from a good leader. i.e. groom even better leaders to take over after him.

True Sri Lankan said...

Update on the Sri Lankan situation in the strategy page
Rebels Mobilize Foreign Aid Workers

real said...

Liberation Tigers of Tamileelam (LTTE) officials in the East claimed Sunday that six Sri Lankan military and paramilitary personnel were killed in a raid carried out by a commando unit of the Tigers on a joint military and paramilitary camp at Thikiliveddai, north of Batticaloa at 2:15 a.m. Sunday. The mini-camp was brought under LTTE control within 15 minutes after they launched the raid, the Tigers said claiming that they seized a Light Machine Gun and ammunitions. Meanwhile, medical sources at Chengkaladi hospital said one of the wounded TMVP personnel rushed to hospital succumbed to his injuries and that eight persons were wounded in the raid.

One PK-LMG, a drum magazine for the PK-LMG, 100 rounds, seven AK-47 magazines, two-hundred-and-twenty 7.62 mm rounds and a holster were seized in the attack, the Tigers said.

Three of the wounded, 18-year-old Chandran, 19-year-old V. Achchuthan and 20-year-old T. Ganesan, were transferred to Batticaloa hospital for treatment, accoridng to medical sources.

TropicalStorm said...

Arsath

I too have young children and am disturbed when kids are killed. So are the majority of others.

But given the ground realities, one realy needs to place the blame on these casualties with the LTTE.

They've not only deliberately put civillians in harm's way, they also register injured LTTE cadre as civillians with the hospitals, while throwing out hundreds of sick civillians patients. Some of these sick who according to LTTE medical experts are 'well enough' to go home are forced to do so. How many of these folks would survive without medicines is anyone's guess. Some of those who are either influential with the LTTE or conspicuosly in need of medical intervention, such as pregnant women are sent to Vavuniya.

True Sri Lankan said...

Ninja,
You have mentioned about army officers who hail from colombo schools like Royal and St. Thomas who had got promoted cos of their seniority.
Pls do not generalize on your observations on a few individuals. If you want proof of the brave fellows who could have found better jobs, but joined the forces simply for their love for the country, Go to Royal and have a look at the war memorial inside the college.

TropicalStorm said...

Puppet mask

Even among the English reading Sri Lankan population Athas' reputation is starting to slip.

There are always a few who will never doubt a word they hear from a favorite source of their choice, but for the average person with common sense this guy's slanted focus has already made him less than credible.

Yet there are those who want to believe him simply for the fact that Janes' Defence hired him.

Some people cannot be helped beyond their own capacity or desire. Comments and critiques posted on the web by myself and others against Athas' obvious 'mistakes' (deliberate or otherwise) are aimed for the benefit of the folks with common sense.

TropicalStorm said...

True Sri Lankan

Ananda has a bigger contribution to the armed forces.

The difference between Royalists and ol'Anas is that the Royalists drop dead easier... :)))

Vigilante said...

[Lanka not a R2P case: Int’l crisis group
Sept 28 (DM) The situation in Sri Lanka does not warrant international intervention under the Responsibility to Protect (R2P) doctrine, the head of International Crisis Group that spearheads the advocacy of R2P said here. Gareth Evans, former Australian foreign minister and now a leading advocate of the Responsibility to Protect principle said that there was no reason right now for Sri Lanka to be a R2P case.
]

Moshe Dyan said...

priyashantha,

just noticed that you had kicked me around like a football.
don't take what i told the toilet seriously. ANY goodman would drop a few lumps of SHIT in a toilet like that. its just crap; no truth in it.

True Sri Lankan said...

Hey Tropic storm..
One could say that the meeky Anandian's never went forward, but the royalist did ;-)

Anyways.. If some one has laid his life in battle, be it anyone, from anywhere, we should respect & Honour them.
Of course Ananda is a great college which has produced many great sons for the country. At least to my knowledge Ananda didnt have any one who brought disgrace to the college like what RW has done to Royal.

Kumara said...

Sri Lankans Living in Hong Kong held a demonstration against LTTE today (Sunday the 28t September 2008).

To see the pics of the event:

http://www.lankajournal.org/?p=108

True Sri Lankan said...

Kumara

Thanks for the news. This is what all sri lankans in other countries do. Get the message accross to the IC as much as possible. I believe 50% of the war is done overseas. We have to win that as well.
We as Sri Lankans should thank all the people who participated in the protest in HK

Panhinda said...

Disunity in the east being exploited by LTTE to infiltrate the region. Karuna-Pallian issue may never be resolved. This only leaves the govt with one choice. Karuna cannot remain in the country. Find a place for him in Malaysia, Singapore even Fiji. This time get the visa done right.

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Corey said...

Kilinochchi is now a ghost town:

http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2008/09/28/sec01.asp

True Sri Lankan said...

Seems like that Italian has opted to come out of the rat hole. He has decided to stay back on humanitarian grounds as opposed to earlier reports of him joining the LTTE. Anyways this individual should be grilled!
Errant INGO manager ordered out

Sam Perera said...

renegade,

"stop abusing iqbal athas all the time ok?.its true he has been makimg blunders in identifying weapo systems,but he is still widely respected in the "not-so-militarily-savvy-public".

His exposes on rampant corruption in government weapon deals is admirable.in fact,there is great threat to his life as well by crooked security force officers and even by that shitter GOTA!! AND MR's cronies!!"



You got to be kidding my friend. This is place for no-holds-barred discussions. Athas or hos master, we are at liberty to talk about his writings. Your call to leave Athas alone seems little suspicious.

By the way, you call Lt. Col. Gotabhaya Rajapakse a shitter? It seems that his vision and determination to eliminate LTTE and their cronies are hurting your personal feelings. Looking at where we were in 2004 and where we are today with respect to LTTE shitters and cronies, his service to the nation is nothing less than heroic.

Please take your shitting thoughts somewhere else like TamilNet. Perhaps you also want to reserve a place for your future, the garbage bins of Sri Lankan history.

True Sri Lankan said...

This is the way to go!!!!
The Sri Lanka Air Force (SLAF) this week introduced fuel-air bombs for the first time, more than matching the battlefield stakes raised by the LTTE early last week by its gas attacks on troops at Akkarayankulam

Sam Perera said...

rana,

Well I watched your subtle move for a while. Where were you all this time? Whay are you concerned about military perks all of a sudden on the verge of substantial reduction of LTTE strength? I have the feeling that you are somebody else than your try to portray. Regardless, I can assure you one thing. This is the wrong place if you want to play games. Please keep trying.

Defencewire said...

arsath,
It seems unintentional. If both parties want to stop civilian casualties, they would have to end the war. Until the war goes on collateral damage is unavoidable in this type of war.

The para training is optional. Anyone of the armed forces can apply but priority is given based on age, unit etc. A higher training (advanced para) is offered in other parts of the world and our army is given a quota by some friendly states. The Indians and Pakistanis offer this training very frequently to us. The training consists of HALO or high altitude low opening, a jump that is mainly freefall from 20,000 or more feet.

wijayapala said...

Ninja,

"Secondly, in this case whoever perticipate in these events can be easily targeted by LTTE."

The street theater I'm thinking of would not have ordinary people as actors, but rather soldiers and/or paramilitaries. But yes, they must be able to speak Tamil. The LTTE actors generally are chosen for their ability to communicate well.

Therukuttu is not prearranged but is rather spontaneous. The LTTE would not have much advance warning.

wijayapala said...

Panhinda,

Thanks for the link to your website. Would you like to discuss your ideas here, in private via email, or on your website? Even though this is a defense blog, I still think this discussion would be appropriate here.

wijayapala said...

renegade!

"stop abusing iqbal athas all the time ok?.its true he has been makimg blunders in identifying weapo systems,but he is still widely respected in the "not-so-militarily-savvy-public"."

Careful or some of the dumbasses here might think you and I are the same blogger.

Why do you say Gota is a shitter?

wijayapala said...

Moshe Dyan said,

"just noticed that you had kicked me around like a football."

Well, that's what you're here for, right? :-)

"don't take what i told the toilet seriously. ANY goodman would drop a few lumps of SHIT in a toilet like that. its just crap; no truth in it."

Since Moshe is the sort of Modaya who happily admits that he defecates in public for the world to see, I would take his admonition one step further and advise against taking anything he says about Tamils and the LTTE seriously.

I also was not aware that Moshe is able to defecate through his mouth and mix it with normal words. This is quite interesting and merits scientific study.

As for talking with toilets, perhaps it would be a good idea for Moshe to start looking for a friend or two (human beings) to have a conversation with. Life is too short to experience it in loneliness.

Srilankan said...

Kumara,
you comment is music to my ears bro..music to my ears!!...this is what we have to concentrate on....Lets learn from the LTTE in this case shall we..

Srilankan said...

I have absolutely no problem with moshe or his comments..since this is a blog .. everyone is welcome to post their comments even if they are not shared by all....

hemantha said...

What is the use of this elite non-elite debate at this moment. It was started by a drunken pig who wishes to discredit SF+SL Army which is in the process of decimating this flesh eating monster. I do not understand the reason the others clinging on to that.
And also theses Royal Vs. Ananda comments.
"The difference between Royalists and ol'Anas is that the Royalists drop dead easier... :)))"
TS,
I know you were making fun. But this is not a one of your thoughtful comments.
SF is from Ananda. Wanni commander Jagath Jayasuriya is from Royal. They are fighting together and winning the war for us with thousands of other soldiers.

Lankapura said...

From the nation.lk article, expresses much better than I could about Kili:

The Army’s thrust towards Kilinochchi will pose the LTTE more than one obvious problem of losing its de facto capital. Once the Army reaches Kilinochchi, it is open terrain through Paranthan, up to Elephant Pass (EPS), the narrow gateway to the Jaffna peninsula. If the Military is able to make a rapid movement in this terrain, which is believed to be favourable for tanks and armour, then, it is in a position to retake EPS within a matter of days. An eventuality, which would jeopardise the LTTE’s defences in the northern front, along the Killali-Muhamali-Nagarkovil axis, and isolate its units now fighting in the Nachchikudah and Pooneryn region, west of the A9. This possibility seems to have dawned on the LTTE, which has in recent days pulled some of its more hardcore fighting units from the northern defences, to fight the Army south of Kilinochchi. It is now apparent that the LTTE would make its final stand against the Army in the general area between Akkarayankulam and the A9, where the main thrust towards Kilinochchi is expected.

Nirosh said...

Yes, Army need more and more LRRP units (may be some other additional units that has the capability to attack key LTTE military targets), and need to strengthen them with more and more advance equipment..

It looks to me that LTTE going to keep on running away from the Army Operations. I don't know whether this is true, (I am right now away from the country), someone told me that LTTE has fled from Killinochchi....

NOW.. it is obvious that LTTE defense strategy has two goals

1. They are building new defenses to delay army from marching towards their strong holds

2. They are trying to get as much carders escaped from the offensive attacks while making us waste billions on military spending.

If they are not losing the man power as much as we think they are, it is going to be hard at the end for us to get that easy win. They will deploy all their men for a final fight, possibly with the added support of some chemical weapons, air force (Yes, I mean that hutu hutu planes) too. That can make our win, a not a win. But the good point is that as long as we have a long term plan (I am sure we have), which make us stand a step ahead of them, it will not stop us from winning this war. We will win this war, but they can cause delays to it. But in the other hand, more time we take to finish this war mean more money we have to spend over this, is that a strategy too? Can this war be a well calculated withdrawal plan from LTTE side. That mean LTTE withdraw, while army is attacking, until we finish our money in the government treasury. Because even if government can corner the LTTE, they can still hide themselves among civilians and escape.

In another aspect, if they are going to lose it at the end anyway, then why are they trying to delay our win without facing us? Is it an indication of a hidden agenda? I know it is not uncommon these days for a soldier to see LTTE carders fleeing. But why?? Are they really afraid of us??? or are they preserving their carders?? Let's take that as a point to think about little more...

What do you all think, guys..

hemantha said...

"renegade!

------------

Why do you say Gota is a shitter?"

Because Renegade (Rifard) is a well known LTTE pig who has multiple identity disorder and also because Gota is actually shitting on LTTE (including Rifard).

Nirosh said...

ninja,

I am not going to comment back to your reply.. because we both standing on the same side..

What I tried to do was to show another aspect of the equation.. that is all..

As I alway said it is a chess game now.

soorapappa said...


Dear Admin,
I can see your profile ID just above comments window. But I think its better if you just make profile public. That way it's easy to view your profile and theirby anyone can view you are the real one. (In profile view, it displays owning blogs)
Just a thought, because it's hard to note numbers :-)

Saman K. said...

Uttayan Editorial has given the facts about ltte and tamil diaspora.Guys read this.

http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2008/09/sri-lanka-can-tamil-tigers-save-tamils.html

True Sri Lankan said...

Every little positive comment is vital as it's yet another small step forward
SL not a R2P case: Int’l crisis group

Srilankan said...

TStorm,
"Spoke with a high ranking SL official today. 'Killinochchi will be a drive through, do not even expect any heavy house-to-house fighting' was what I was told. There is high potential for an internal 'implosion' to completely disintegrate the LTTE command structure. Lower rung Tigers and recent recruits have started surrendering in significant numbers to the military and have sometimes been killed by their own leaders to prevent from surrendering to the army"..

If your sources are accurate this is a "god send" for ALL our suffering peoples...This is exactly what we need..a source of intelligence..i hope the forces can track these LTTE guns more accurately with their help.As i said many times before this is not the war of the innocent masses of the North..why in god's name should they die because some buffoons overseas want to make more money?.Those fuel bombs i think will do wonders if used against those bunkers housing guns.

hemantha said...

LTTE is not going to withdraw from Kilinochchi- Paranthan line that easily. If they do that then they are either weaker than we think or they are dumber than the dumbest.

Final battles would be fought not in Mulathivu jungles as many believe but in Kilinochchi, Akkrayan, Nachchikuda, Pooneryn and Elephant Pass. If the LTTE is defeated (or made to withdraw) in these places the battles for Mulathivu will just be a “dead rubber” in cricketing terms (i.e. in a four match series, if three are won by a one country then the fourth game would be a dead rubber). Civilians might do the fighting in there against the LTTE as a best scenario (in Cricket, reserves have more chance of playing in a “dead rubber”).

Saman K. said...

Guys,
As I mentioned earlier,all the schools have contributed to this bloody war including vilage schools.Some good officers are in SLDF are from village schools.Doesn't matter the school,they are our heros.

*SF is an Anandian,
*Jagath Jayasuriya is a Royalist,
*Jagath Dias is a Kingwoodian,
*SF commander Neumal Dharmaratna Is a Rajans(Dharmaraja)
* Senarath Banadar who captured Kokavil rail station is from Vidyartha( Rugger Capt)
* Lt S.U. Aladeniya who was the commander of the Kokavil camp in 1990 and refused to withdraw and fight till the last with his soldiers,He was a Trinitian,

160000 in the Army you can find every schools in the Island.

Every school has contributed to this bloody war.

Ninja said...

Rana

You got confused with panhinda's definition of "eliteness'. Anyway we don't need such social science discussion in a defenceblog.

Moshe

It seems to be a reguler limited op as per DN.

Sala Salang

Yes, media plays a big role. But again not that big. In last presidential election very powerful maharaja group and leader group (almost all media) worked for RW but he lost. Further, public, specially village people get direct info from battle field soldiers.


True Sri Lankan

//Pls do not generalize on your observations on a few individuals.//

I had to write that replying to some one else who seems generalized whole SLA high ranks to some level. My reply sounds like I generalized all from top schools. But I agree its not true in generel.

Wijayapala

ok, so you mean using people from military. Its good if you can really do that. I was under impression sinhala "veedi natya kandayam" of GaminiH.

Nirosh

No problem mate. Feel free to critizise or argue. Blog is here for that.

----------------------------------------------

Some how a discussion started on "eliteness" and "schools". I don't think we need to drag this. (I was also a part of it, though.)

Ninja said...

Every person in SL the right of expressing his own veiws. TNA MP Sampanthan and GenSF has the same right.

Unfortunately, a person like MR, GR, GenSF has to limit this freedom of expression as opposed to Mr.Perera or Mr.Silva has. Simply becuz media and the enimy find some thing wrong or give own interpretations for enimy's advantage.

I think GSL propaganda need to do some thing to 'balance' the affect crated by GenSF recent statement of SL belongs to sinhalese rather than giving oppertunity to enimy (TNA ect) to capitalize on that.

Arsath said...

To Put to Rest Anas and Royalists!!!

It doesn't matter from which shit school they are from all what matters is they do their job for mother lanka.. I did not think this blog is for school kids to comment.
Guys please get a life be serious.. Why be divisive at this critical point lets think of them as sons of mother lanka.
I have friends from Ana and Royal some nice and some are low lifes.. :))

Rana said...

Sam Perera,

You are asking me to forget all else b'cause, we have gained lot of ground, killed many LTTE cadres and war is now favourable to us.

Well mate I can't do that. Like anybody else SLDF is doing their duty and it has to be accountable to public. They cannot use tax payers money for their advantage always b'cause of success in battles.

War is fought by soldiers who are ordinary village folks and they get killed every day. Therefore their leaders must act sensible and honorably towards the cause without taking undue advantages from the situation.

They are the same guys who made blunder after blunder for last 25 years. If they have acted as they were supposed to act, this war should have finished years ago.

Do you agree or not, I don't give a damn but do not try to deny me of my rights to say so.

Sam Perera said...

Rana,

You are asking me to forget all else b'cause, we have gained lot of ground, killed many LTTE cadres and war is now favourable to us. Well mate I can't do that. Like anybody else SLDF is doing their duty and it has to be accountable to public. They cannot use tax payers money for their advantage always b'cause of success in battles.

What I am asking you is why you are concerned about it all of a sudden in a moment when our soldiers and officers are fighting day and night to save my homeland, perhaps not yours.

War is fought by soldiers who are ordinary village folks and they get killed every day. Therefore their leaders must act sensible and honorably towards the cause without taking undue advantages from the situation.

Under your fake intelligence, you seem to be a total clueless buffoon. Moron, if you can read, go to the war memorial at Mailapitiya and read the names and ranks of men and women who gave their precious lives for to defend my homeland. There are officers and soldiers of all ranks including Lt. generals and Air Marshals who gave their lives. I don’t usually use these words, how when it comes to an ignorant mf like you, I would say that you are terrorist in disguise here. Mfs like you who has not seen the battle front ever but talk big gets on to my nerve a lot.

They are the same guys who made blunder after blunder for last 25 years. If they have acted as they were supposed to act, this war should have finished years ago.

You mf, officers and soldiers are doing their duty alike for my home country. Some junior officers who started their career as Second Lieutenants 25 years ago, are Colonels or Brigadiers today. They have given a good part of their lives to defend my homeland. And you mf is here to paint every officer in the same mold as a few corrupt officers. Moron, officers or soldiers alone can’t finish the war. That is where we need a good political leadership.

Do you agree or not, I don't give a damn but do not try to deny me of my rights to say so.

Even if you are a LTTE terrorist, you have all the right to speak. There is no denial about it. However, when arrogant clueless buffoons like you all of a sudden talk about how the war could have been fought, it gives me no choice but to put you in your right place. You mf, get your facts straight before you talk big next time.

My sincere apologies to DefenceWire and other respectful bloggers for bestowing the title mf to this arrogant buffoon “rana.”

Rana said...

Sam,

Why I say thses things now! or at this precious moment!

Because, as victory here and vitory there could escalate malpractices.

Do not forget that the most of sri lankans are struggling now to survive due to hardships. If this war is to be dragged for another year or two, even victory can become useless.

Aha mate, my nail somehow found the correct place it seems. Guilty parties get hurt when truth come out.

Your use of mf and words like buffon says it all.

You gave me the pleasure of nailing you accurately.

Moshe Dyan said...

true sri lankan,

"The Sri Lanka Air Force (SLAF) this week introduced fuel-air bombs for the first time, more than matching the battlefield stakes raised by the LTTE early last week by its gas attacks on troops at Akkarayankulam".

yep. SLAF did use them. TN carried a photo of a child partly burnt. KAB-500/1000 or Mk-80 series bombs do not GENERALLY cause this type of wounds.

it MORE THAN compensates for LTTE's use of CS gas (hilarious).

this is FANTASTIC although sad that a civilian got wounded. i can only imagine (WITH PLEASURE) the havoc it would have created on the TARGET. OBVIOUSLY the DIRECT targets would not have survived (although PONNA AMMAN survived) with JUST skin burns!!

well done SLAF. tigers have met their match.

i was a LONG TIME proponenent of USING SIMILAR (or WORSE) weapons IF tigers EVER USE chemical weapons.

using CS gas in the battlefield amounts to the use of chemicals in the battlefield.

Moshe Dyan said...

multiple identity disorder = PONNAYAS

female among females, males among males & eunuchs among eunuchs JUST LIKE RANIL W.

same applies to POLITICAL PONNAYAS.

tiger among tigers, anti-tiger among anti-tigers, eunuchs among eunuchs JUST LIKE RANIL W.

Moshe Dyan said...

"kilinochchi is a ghost town"

no disrespect for the writer, but THIS WAS NOT TRUE by yesterday.

Rana said...

Moshe,

I agree, we should use anything that matters to eliminate as many as possible without arousing internation out cry for foul play.

Do we have cluster bombs too, Daisy cutters also can become handy for underground hideouts.

Ninja said...

SamP

Usually following are the some of arguments aired by the pro-LTTE camp.

1. It is our tax money, so tell us what whepons you buy, from where, at what price and when as it should be transpaernt taht our tax money is spend properly without being going as commisions etc. (The part they don't say is "if you tell all these it makes things easier for our leader pottu amman and his men.)

2. It is poor village boys who die for the country every day, I feel sad for them etc. (The part they don't say is "actually I expect you to beleive now (1) they join SLA just becuz they are poor, uneducated, uninformed, misled, jobless and to make money. (1) They get killed every day (3) So don't join SLA (4) Stay home don't go back to fight (5) You don't have to respect them etc.)

3. Military/ MR drag this war so that they can enjoy perks/ Military plan for military rule etc. (The part they don't say is "it seems now things are not good for LTTE, why don't you make some mistake like atleast speeding up so that you loose finally?")

We also see it is trivial some one to come with a new profile, pretend as "concerned patriotric" and follow that pottu amman unit's style approach.

Finally, if any 'tax payer' (ya, even LTTE supporting SL citizen cum tax payer) has any such problem regarding handling the war this is not the place for questioning. This blog is run by DW and identity is hidden. Same for other bloggers. And I don't think it is DW who runs the war. So the best thing people like rana should do is just give a phone call to Gen Sarath Fonseka, Gotabaya Rajapakse or Mahinda Rajapakse and tell you are a tax payer and blah blah and get response from them.

Corey said...

Sam Prera and Rana and others,
Please, this is too valuable a blog site for personal fights, and, from what I understand, is high school-rivalry. People are dying from both sides. Let's focus on the real issues.
Thanks,
Metta
EC

True Sri Lankan said...

A matter of time for total victory for the Forces

Moshe Dyan said...

sam & rana,

mates, you are both RIGHT minded ppl in the patriotic camp. please don't argue over petty things that can create DIVISIONS within this camp.

Rana said...

Ninja,

You got me completely wrong mate. I want this war to be ended more than anything else and it has to be the victory for us and SLDF.

However, as Moshe has indicated, I will raise my white flag to Sam b'cause he is a true patriot and trying to safeguard SLDF at any cost.

Thanks mate Sam keep it up,
we will enjoy together every success of SLDF.

True Sri Lankan said...

Sri Lanka denies attacking Rameswaram fishermen around Katchativu

Panhinda said...

wijepala,

send it on email please. cheers matie!

True Sri Lankan said...

Heavy fighting in the north

Sam Perera said...

rana the LTTE Terrorist,

Smooth propoganda from LTTE terrorists like you will not deter me. You are trying to nail me accurately, man that is laughable. I am a part of a guilty party, that is even more funny. Please take these 2 cents and buy a dozen of cheap clues. If you have some satisfaction in insulting all hard working officers and soldiers, I would say that your final momement of satisfaction is coming soon. Please take your bogus concerns elsewhere if you want to fool anybody here. Keep in mind, your rightful place is unmarked graves reserved for faceless terrorists.

moshe and others,

I don't beleive that rana is anybody from our camp. Ninja explains this above very well. This is a LTTE terrorist in disguise.

Rana said...

Hi Guys,

There is a superb article in the Lanka Guardian published by Editorial Uthayam, Australia. Heading of the article is "Sri Lanka: Can the tamil tigers same the tamils?".

Cheers

Rana said...

Sam you have a phobia, if somebody do not agree with you or say something you don't like he is a tiger. I will not criticise SLDF again not becuse I want to be in your camp but as somebody else said, we better discuss defence matters and only that.

Have a good day mate.

Ali said...

DW . Two questions .

I saw you point out the incompetence of the STF . but I believe there were one of the most successful in maintaining the east and areas like Ampara safe . I was a little surprised .

Also the looking at the defense map looks to me like the strategy is to have TF2 and 56 th just hold the middle , does not that make for a much longer line to defend and the terras can get behind easier . what am I missing here ?

Rana said...

well said Ali, I also can't understand that strategy. Those two units are in better ground with quick supply lines.

I can understand why 53 and 55 holding their positions but fail to see the point of holding Palamoddai and Vanatkulm area without taking Puliankulam ASAP.

DW - can you elaborate on this, please.

Bhairav said...

[Finally, if any 'tax payer' (ya, even LTTE supporting SL citizen cum tax payer) has any such problem regarding handling the war this is not the place for questioning. This blog is run by DW and identity is hidden. Same for other bloggers. And I don't think it is DW who runs the war. So the best thing people like rana should do is just give a phone call to Gen Sarath Fonseka, Gotabaya Rajapakse or Mahinda Rajapakse and tell you are a tax payer and blah blah and get response from them.]

This idiot juvenile Ninja has gone off the roof now. Did Rana really ask DW about the misuse of taxpayers' money on this war? His intended target was general audience, not just DW. Oh my friend,tell me now, screwing Sam's wife is DW related analysis or questioning about the misuse of taxpayers' money on the war effort?

Sam Perera said...

rana,

"Sam you have a phobia, if somebody do not agree with you or say something you don't like he is a tiger. I will not criticise SLDF again not becuse I want to be in your camp but as somebody else said, we better discuss defence matters and only that."

I have little or no tolerance for anti-Sri Lankan elements trying to demoralize the soldiers and officers our armed force in this critical moment. You are not the first one I have met and you won't be the last. Assuming you are not a LTTE terrorists, I have talked to some spineless men like you who go all the way to discredit our forces and glorify LTTE. If that is the case, you are destined to be in the garbage bins of Sri Lankan history. Now, if you are LTTE terrorist, which is the most likely case, you are destined to be in the unmarked graves reserved for faceless terrorists. What you do or not do is totally yours and how I answer your bogus attempts are totally mine. Nevertheless, I can't think of any camp you can fit in other than LTTE and stooges like Bahirav or Ranil-Kiriella-Hakeem camp.

Bhairav said...

[Sam you have a phobia, if somebody do not agree with you or say something you don't like he is a tiger.]

Rana,

Sam is byproduct of Portuguese thief father and Pettah junkie mother,and we call him lovingly as half breed.

Sam Perera said...

Bahirav,

I am proud to be Sri Lankan first and proud to the son of Mr. and Mrs Perera second, irrespective of their creeds. As I mentioned earlier, I live among the majority and always feel to be a respected member of the majority. I have no discriminaiton by Sinhalese to complain about. Further more, I deeply appreciate the countless sacrifices made by heroic men and women of our forces. Pettty LTTE racist like you can never deter me from this position despite of my mixed ethnicity.

Rana said...

Bhairav,

I have decided to ignore him without wasting any more space of this important site.

Sam for your info, I am full blooded (100% sinhala)lion raised in Pannipitiya and studied in Dharmapala. Therefore I can take any insult or hits from any body without using filthy words like mf and buffon. I don't call names for anybody for any matter. Learn it from me true lions are like that.

End with you from now on Sam, good day.

Ali said...

Rana .

I am not suggesting that the strategy is wrong , unlike me Lt Gen Fonseka has 30 odd years of experience and that many years of battling these MFs . I am just asking a question .

As for your contention that the military dragging this war , that is probably something u can lay on a lot of previous generals and political leadership of the days past . I dont think it applies to the current Administration and the Generals .

Panhinda said...

Sam Perera,

/*
I have little or no tolerance for anti-Sri Lankan elements trying to demoralize the soldiers and officers our armed force in this critical moment.
*/

Systems require feedback for calibration. Systems become rudderless boats without constructive criticism. The reason why the military has improved this much is precisely BECAUSE people criticised its past performance. It is a sign of a mature robust system that it is able to handle criticism well. However, I agree the criticism must be constructive and not personal. LTTE is one glaring example of a system that turned rotten because it cannot stand criticism and does not know how to handle dissention within ranks.

I give you an example of constructive criticism - When political and military leaders within the govt establishment make public statements, they must do it with utmost care since their statements can be construed as government policy. This is why I was cringing when a military leader who is usually very tactful, made a statement to the effect “Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese”. He should have known better why we are in this mess in the first place. Leaders of the country alienated sections of the public from the system precisely because of this kind of attitude.

Sam Perera said...

rana,

Your claimed status of "full blooded" "100%" Sinhala from "Pannipitiya" does not matter here. If you are a LTTE stooge or a spineless Ranil-Hakeem follower, you are way down there.

Rana said...

Ali,

I agree mate. Present regime is doing extremely well and better than most of previous hands. However, the present success is due to so many other factors also. In first place we were luky that Karauna faction got away from LTTE. That started everything going in correct direction. MR also handeled China, India, Pakistan and Iran for that mtter very well.
Lastly we had luck also with us most of the time. However, still time to time some debacles are evident. I am happy about the total progress so far, it is early in the morning when I checked news every day 'killing rate is not enough most of the time. Of course boys need rest and bla bla. May be I am expecting too much in too little time but I cant help.

Panhinda,

I agree with you mate, that was rather a foolish statement from otherwise good old commander.

Moshe Dyan said...

two things that i said came to pass today. one good, one bad.

the good one i have already illustrated above (re: SLAF).

the bad one happened right infront of our eyes.
"please don't argue over petty things that can create DIVISIONS within this camp."

now BLOODYRAV has crept in who is a seasoned tiger born to a raped woman in vanni fathered by an unknown IPKF soldier. even bloodyrav has blamed vezapillai here just to get laid by some gullible guys here!

sam & rana, I'm begging you two to stop going at each other. it's not worth it.

Ali said...

Rana .

fortune favors the brave , never the faint of heart . Karuna turned Under Ranil but the idiot couldnt use it .

Also I agree about SF's comment , He is a General not a politician . A politician would never had said that .

Ninja said...

Rana

//You got me completely wrong mate.//

I used the word "if" where necassary. If what I said is not applicable to you feel free to ignore it.
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//Sam is byproduct of Portuguese thief father and Pettah junkie mother,and we call him lovingly as half breed.//

// I am full blooded (100% sinhala)lion raised in Pannipitiya and studied in Dharmapala.//

//now BLOODYRAV has crept in who is a seasoned tiger born to a raped woman in vanni fathered by an unknown IPKF soldier.//

These kind of things are not worth writing in this blog. Can we please avoid going this path?
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//This idiot juvenile Ninja has gone off the roof now. ..Oh my friend,tell me now,..//

Thanks for having a idiot as your friend. SL is a democrazy, its different to LTTE sungod's outfit. People express different personal veiws here. If it makes a tiger happy nothing wrong with that, enjoy. It is much better than being happy after a bus bomb in south.
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Now here is the today's breaking news. Robert O’ Blake on the run !!

Rana said...

Ninja,

I think LTTE has not given permission to local recuites who works for UN, INGO and NGOs. They are all tamils. It doesn't matter becuse most of them are either tigers or tiger supporters. VP need all of them to die for him now.

LTTE is now fighting to save VP not for peelam b'cause peelam is already finished.

Nobody buying peelam anymore. No teritory, no arms, no supply, nocadres. They even eat GOSL food and use our medicine.

However, we need to keep the grip and tightened screws from all directions untill the leadership is wiped out.

BADTNC said...

well done guys.

Apino said...

Hi guys.....was sadden when I skim read the content of this blog....

More and more this blog is looking like a microcosm of Sri Lanka....may I say Sri Lankans......

Or better like the Little Goulish village....from the written content we can see following guys are well represented here:

Unhygienix & Fulliautomatix going at each other
Cacofonix....making lot of noices
Geriatrix....who forgets where they are....
Vitalstatistix
Few Asterixs Obelixs trying to do the right thing
Few knowledgeable Getafixs
One Impedimenta who make occasional hate comments.....

Few Roman Agents masquerading as Gauls trying to create chaos ....

As a whole its a one large cacophony....

Ali said...

All that is missing is a gonix .

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