Saturday, November 8, 2008

The realities of a surface-based war in Wanni

By this evening the Sri Lanka Army’s 58 Division was 6 kilometers from the Pooneryn-Paranthan road. Military tacticians will aim for this road, instead of heading directly for Pooneryn; a tactic we have observed numerous times in the recent past. Tigers will be forced to withdraw from Pooneryn but would have to avoid annihilation by the Special Boat Squadron and RABS boats deployed in the Kilali Lagoon. Their best bet would be to escape towards India rather than risking a perilous journey to Chalai in the northeastern coast. At least 40 RABS units are waiting for them from Kilali to Chalai.

As we noted many weeks ago, the Sri Lanka Army will probably checkmate the LTTE’s Kilinochchi stronghold, not from the current operation by the 57 but from the operation working its way towards Paranthan from the northwest. Military tacticians have long realized that there’s more than one way to take Kilinochchi. Currently, the Tigers are using maximum force to hold down the 57 Division at Iranamadu, Akkarayan and Kokavil general areas. They cannot afford the 58 moving towards Paranthan from the Pooneryn-Paranthan road. This would make Muhamale and Kilinochchi untenable.

But the Army is not going to stop at that. It’s going to crisscross the LTTE and dissect it from top to bottom, left to right and every other imaginable way possible. During a recent briefing, General Fonseka explained the role of the newly formed Task Force 3 claiming it would move from the west to the east from Mankulam. According to our analysis, TF-3 is heading for Oddusudan via Mankulam, Olumadu and Ampakamam and will probably join the 59 Division in a combined advance on Mulaitivu. TF-3 is being led by Lt. Colonels Perera and Welikala who are absolute daredevils with a cult-like following in the Army. The 62 semi-offensive Division is also quietly working its way towards Kanakarayankulam.

As soon as the 58 reaches Pooneryn, the 53 Division will break out from its hold. Muhamalai to Paranthan is flat, open road, which the Mechanized Infantry Division is going to relish enormously. If the 53 breaks out, it will only be a matter of time until the 55 Division breaks out. Both Divisions are under two tough Commanders, one being Special Forces officer (from the time he joined the Army) Brigadier Prasanna Silva. So you have 8 Divisions going at the LTTE in eight different directions. But there’s more.

If LTTE loses Pooneryn and retreats completely from the northwestern coast, the Sri Lanka Navy would have nothing to guard against along this coast. The Offshore Patrol Craft, SBS and RABS units currently deployed along this coast can all be withdrawn and redeployed along the north western coast. The only maritime area the SLN would have to guard would be the coast from Nayaru North upto Nagarkovil. The number of RABS units deployed from Pulmoddai to Point Pedro could exceed 100. This is in addition to the OPCs, SBS, Dvora, UFACs, Fast Missile Frigates etc deployed along the coast and in the high seas. The SLN could create a virtually impregnable security blanket along this coast that will completely halt any LTTE arms ship from even coming close to unloading its cargo.

So the obvious question is, what will the LTTE do while this is going on? But the more pertinent question is what can they do?

The answer to the first question is diplomatic pressure. Diplomatic pressure from Europe is not forthcoming to the extent LTTE might want. The best bet for diplomatic pressure to save the LTTE could come from India. But the Indians have a very limited say in this now. The Indian statement to end major operations in Sri Lanka by the end of December seems more of a publicity stunt aimed at appeasing sections of the Tamil Nadu politicians ahead of the 15th Lok Sabha Elections. But at the same time the Indian central government is cracking down on the LTTE in Tamil Nadu. It is our understanding that the Indians won’t push too hard this agenda on Colombo.

Why won’t the Indians completely back this threat with actual muscle? The answers to the above questions are as follows. The current President of Sri Lanka, soon after he came to power, has freed Sri Lanka of the Indian hegemonic mentality. Its one thing India under Indira Gandhi developing a hegemonic interest during the Cold war and another thing maintaining such in this new age. The former USSR is long gone and with it India’s power in the Warsaw. The new power in Asia is China.

President Rajapakse, to his credit, made sure that China was brought back into the South Asian region, especially to Sri Lanka in a big way. Today, China is the largest investor in Sri Lanka. They have invested heavily in Sri Lanka, particularly in the Hambantota port as a transshipment point to its growing export industries in the Far East and Africa. The Chinese will never allow their money to go to waste. China and Iran have also applied to join SAARC. Suddenly, India is not the only big player in the Indian Ocean region. The moment India exerts undue pressure on the Colombo government; the Chinese will react to save its investment in Sri Lanka. Even a single statement from the Chinese which is even remotely threatening could make India look not only weak but also foolish. A wise Indian government would avoid that.

Another powerful actor is Iran. Long before President-elect Obama underlined the need to negotiate with Iran, Sri Lanka had done it. Today, the Sri Lankan President is a very good friend of Ahamedinajad. Sri Lanka, as an insider with the Tehran government, could even become a small state mediator between the USA and Iran like Algeria during the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

But what about the LTTE’s military capability and its ability to remove the leadership of the country? The LTTE has been very successful when it could concentrate its attacks on defeating a single military operation. We have had many such operations led by, at the most two offensive Divisions. Each operation was met with stiff resistance. The LTTE would deploy all its assets and manpower and focus all its strategies and tactics on that single operation and confront it head-on, flank it or allow defence-in-depth. International support and the ‘goods’ coming from the northwestern and northeastern coasts sustained the counter-attacks. The Tamils in the eastern province gave it an unlimited supply of excellent fighters. The sea tigers were strong and innovative with large number of fixed and movable assets and high morale. The counter insurgency and counter terrorism (CI and CT) methods of the state intelligence was ill equipped, inexperienced and improperly led to face that challenge.

But now, the Tigers have to spread their assets (artillery, mortars etc) thin to counter 6 separate offensive divisions, which could soon become 8 separate offensives. The population it controls is down to about 300,000 which reduced its recruitment base. The northwestern coast was lost and the eastern province was lost too. It has to now fight tooth and nail to maintain some control of the northeastern coast. International support is as low as it had ever been. The political and military leadership of the south is too numerous to eliminate. Killing just the Army Commander or the Secretary Defence or the President won’t solve the problem for the LTTE. For the first time in its history, LTTE must assassinate at least 3 leaders in a row or single blow. Even if one of these leaders survives such an impossible attack, the survivor would have to only maintain the current momentum to be a large enough threat to the LTTE.

But the LTTE will fight. It will fight till it can fight no more because that’s all it’s got. It’s been over 3 decades since the LTTE chose this path. It may be too late to change. The LTTE has achieved very little in such a long time.

Therefore an LTTE Victory at this point is seriously doubtful, although it seemed possible a decade ago. Defeat is what is knocking on the Tigers’ door today. Mere survival is insufficient. History has no place for losers.

dA and DW

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Sithsala said...

AGG, ninja and others

Keep it up. My ribs are still aching.

boothayage athal snayuwa kawru hari kapalada koheda.

Apino Dannachess said...

Hi there Rover, nice to see you about in this blog aft some time.

Here is a question for you and the likes of Shay, Moshe, Panhinda et.al.

Interested to know, whether "Sound" emanating from the Zlins can be used to acquire their general location?

Few points to consider:

*If I'm not mistaken each piston engine has a unique sound signature.

*Software exist and can be developed to filter out background noise and other sound sources and home in on a predetermined signature.

* Strategically placed listening arrays encompassing the probable ToyAirForce takeoff/ landing sites can be used for this purpose. In other words ring-fence the area with listening arrays.

* With the shrinking of PussyCat held land, this may be feasible.

* With the use of more than 3 arrays, it should be able to get a reasonable vector of the airborne aircrafts.

* Objective is to have an early warning system which can alert the Air defenses as soon as the TAF are airborne.

* Such a system should be able to detect the TAF birds even if they hug the tree line, there by denying the element of surprise.

* This should enable us to meet them enroute to their intended target, rather than pursue them after they engage the targets.

* Each array can be mounted on inexpensive tower ( space frame structure) and radio/ digitally linked to a central computer which can then compute the general location using the signal strength received from each array.

* Mi24's fitted with suitable avionics should be placed in few locations close to point/s of origin to facilitate such an interception. This should be the first line of defense.

* F7's, Mandpads, AA can be the 2nd, 3rd, .....line of defense: not necessarily in that order.

Over to you guys.

Precaution:
* Apino is NO defense expert, but a average joe.....shall we say a Chena boy
* For the experts the above may sound absurd, borderline science fiction, or better outright fantasy.
* Apino is more than happy to be corrected/ educated.

Over to you my friends.

Sithsala said...

A must read.

Dutugamunu parapure yodain samaga...

Rana said...

Rover,

Further to my earlier post,

Like most of other blogers here, I do not accept MR or SF as perfect, there are many areas they are not second to ranil. However on this LTTP issue they are dead correct and I will not hesitate to give much deserved credit to them.

We usually say: "Ran Malak lesa dev bumbun puja labu me pin bime"
This country is blessed by many unforeseen forces.

Therefore VP couldn't expolite the chances he got from Ranil and Norwey because VP is only VP and MR came to power to save the country from possible utter disaster.

Ranil may have thought sigining CFA was a master stroke but it was the worst thing ever happened in SL after independance.

We were very luky to reverse that mistake like this.

Well, enough is enough, now it is your turn to explain why Ranil deserves more credit than what I already gave to him.

Sithsala said...

something to comment on

TAF?

TAF?

Unknown said...

[For me, people like you are more dangerous than the kids who are fighting the SLDFs in the front lines; because you are the kind of vermin that push those kids to be what they are.]

ditto that mate :)

Bhairav said...

[Precaution:
* Apino is NO defense expert, but a average joe.....shall we say a Chena boy
* For the experts the above may sound absurd, borderline science fiction, or better outright fantasy.
* Apino is more than happy to be corrected/ educated.]

apino da nancy boy,

Why do you pretend like a sissy here?

Apino Dannachess said...

Bhairav Thambi,

You may leave us village boys and go check the following website.

http://www.toilet.org.sg/

Its not a dummy site. Try it and you will like it mate.

Its a site dedicated to your intelligent and time honored tradition.

Cheersma Weva!!!

Sithsala said...

If those are really tincans, where are the propellers? dismantled?

Or are they just dummies?

Rana said...

Bhairav,

Nice to hear from you scum, you are early today, no cleaning?

Why do you think, we are doing something different to you and your clan is doing?

We all does the same thing, bro, the difference is your party is going down! while we are winning everything!

So, it is time to dissapear.

Bhairav said...

[Nice to hear from you scum, you are early today, no cleaning?

Why do you think, we are doing something different to you and your clan is doing?]

rana,

Yes, I clean high-end toilets and get paid more than $100+/hr. With my AI knowledge, I'm planning to start a Green Toilet project in Galle beaches to save the environment from the village boys and their Caucasians uncles.

Apino Dannachess said...

sithsala

"If those are really tincans, where are the propellers? dismantled?"

If they are the Tincans, then they are not Zlins....the tail section (Rudder + elevators) is way different to a Zlin

Even the canopy is too long to be a zlin.

Bhairav said...

G'nite all the village boys, plz keep us entertaining with your patriotic shows as usual.

I will meet you in another prime time edition when my toilet cleaning role gives me a break.


---cheers---

Katch said...

Hey Bhairav,

What's up dude? R u under the weather? U were one of the saner ones in this blog!

Hey, stay calm, it's only a matter of time before we can share a pint in downtown Killinochci and share the memories!

Lankapura said...

What Navindran meant was Vaiko's daughter works on the street that Obama lives. Maybe she gave Obama some free services. This is a real worry.. Vaiko free, what next??

Rana said...

Rover, Rover, Rover,

Where are you, are you hiding with ranil?

Bhairav,

$100 per is not bad lassy!

Forget about the blog, do some extra hours.

Lankapura,

If vaiko's daughter is working in that is street, bad news, however, no problem, jayalalitha's almost daughter is working in our street!

When K'nidhi caomes to colombo, I will go to T'naadu to see his daughter, kamikazzi.

Rana said...

Good night all patriotic brothers, keep it up, don'nt give an inch to monkies!

See you all after 09 hours!

Oh! priority one, DW don't you dare to f**k around tonight. You promised us fresh posting last night, what a dissapointer, do your duty man.

I am coming to the blog, first thing in the morning, you better keeep me happy, brothet!!!!

Kithul said...

troops capture the entire kiranchi area

Mahen said...

Moda Dying,

I am still here half caste, just watching the chena boys jump up and down in glee over a non war, welcome to the Pooneryn marshes boys, prepare to be annhilated.

Katch said...

Hey, great news Shan. Any news from the national front? If 53 & 55 are not given part of the action they'll mutiny from what I've heard :)

Katch said...

Hey Mahen,
I thought u were in Mankulam! What happened? Going by the dreams you've had, u must have had many a sleepless nights!

Just out of curiosity Mahen, Why do u live in the UK instead of your wonderful homeland in the Vanni? After all there is nothing like it right?

Mahen said...

Mr Katch Kakka,

We live in the UK to highlight the Eelam cause and to keep the west engaged in the plight of civilians in the Vanni. Unlike you completely apathetic chena boys, we actually get engaged in Eelam activities and take part and support our boys, all you do is type in worthless blogs.

Katch said...

But Mahen,

Why do superior tamils like u need the help of the west to help against the inferior sinhalese? We singhalese fight the battle without sucking up to anyone! How come the superior tigers are not up to it?

I hope I didn't choke u Mahen!

Moshe Dyan said...

hi Moma-A-fcuked-up HEN,

how's your moma hen?

your moma-land - tamill elam - is getting gang screwwed.

annihilation is what we are going to do to you. nade-sung is begging for a ceasefire. MR had told him to do a bl*w job if he wants a ceasefire.

thamiz kanni are waiting to get laid by macho SL boys.

Mahen said...

The last time we asked for ceasfire before we unleashed the power in ceaseless waves, it was a chance for you to save your lives, last time you didn't listen and look what happened, this time we are offering the same before we unleash, I guess history hasn't taught you a lesson, what you are seeing is the human side of your organisation, we are compassionate and do not want to see chena boys killed like flies.

B#1 said...

Mahen the Madayen,
"welcome to the Pooneryn marshes boys, prepare to be annhilated."

Summa poiyukku kilikaama iru. First let them to do something and then come and post your bullshit here.

Mahen said...

B#0

They are already doing it, your biased media isn't reporting it.

Unknown said...

I think defencewire you should spin doctor much more. Look at how many people are bought over by the LTTE. Now S&P says Pakistan and Sri Lanka becoming basket case. Quickly find more intresting stories with defence analyst to smoke your ardent followers.Or yup war is finishing in december for you guys. Next year will you be in bahamas holidaying when the shit hits the fan. On the bright side pakistan is a useful ally, after all they make Sri Lanka look like an oasiscompared to them.

S&P Most Concerned About Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Vietnam in Crisis

By Patricia Lui

Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Vietnam are the Asian countries most at risk of a credit-rating downgrade as the global economy heads into a recession and funds become scarcer, said Standard & Poor's.

``Pakistan is the weakest, followed by Sri Lanka, then Vietnam,'' said Elena Okorotchenko, head of Asian sovereign ratings at S&P. ``Pakistan faces severe pressure from the external side, the fiscal side, the monetary side, economic growth and politics. There are five angles in which we analyze a country's ratings and Pakistan is negative on all counts.''

Funding Concerns

``Sri Lanka is facing funding concerns with rising short- term commercial debt while expectations of efforts to bring down fiscal deficits have proved incorrect,'' she said. ``I cannot know at this stage if they will go to the IMF but they will definitely need to think of their funding sources.''

Sri Lanka President Mahinda Rajapaksa unveiled a 1.19 trillion rupee ($10.8 billion) budget on Nov. 6, up from an estimated 1.02 trillion this year, and plans to increase overseas borrowing next year to fund the shortfall even as the IMF said reliance on foreign debt to finance expenditure could destabilize the nation's economy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aWqb_B39k7mQ&refer=india

B#1 said...

biased media????

OK. Lets say its Tamilnet(?). Have they reported any news that LTTE has recapture even a single inch from the Army???

Unknown said...

Saman hi, yup LTTE is losing so you guys believe this and be happy okay. I mean after looking at you guys blog, i can understand why defencewire can bullshit so much.

Nirosh you thought Sri Lankan amassador is a big F)$K. I think all he wants is a posting in the US to enjoy.

I again tell you guys to go out and read and learn the issues. Anyway I start to see a very postive outcome of what defencenet and defencewire are doing for the LTTE. Go figure out and I am telling you in a few months i probabily will see the so called patriots in this blog abusing defencewire, defencenet.

Unknown said...

Forgot to add Ayers lives in the same area too.

Obama, Ayers cast ballots in same polling station
http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/11/04/obama-ayers-cast-ballots-in-same-polling-station/

Moshe Dyan said...

moma-a-fcuked-up-hen,

you can't do ceaseless waves now. not nough numbers. we have cluster bombs and jets ready.

do you know that vanni has a NET negative population growth?

more ppl are dying than being born.

we can win the war JUST by holding on.

we will genocide tigers. they should commit suicide b4 that IF they want to die with dignity.

Vigilante said...


LTTE is talking about a ceasefire now. It is most likely they have laid ground work for a Major Terrorists Operation.
This has been the LTTE tactic to disorient the SLDF for many years.
We need to get this right.
Another AAB style attack cannot be ruled out.
LTTE is rising again in the East.

B#1 said...

Navindran,

Neer enna ennawo sollureer.. :( Can't focus on whats happening in Kilinochchi. "Ketkum podhe wairu ereedhu thane?? :)

Mahen said...

At least Vigilante hasn't lost the plot, he is a mildly intelligent chena boys among a multitude of fools. I think Vigilante can see what is coming your way.

B#1 said...

Mahen, then what about me? :)

Peter said...

"He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared."

Vigilante said...

Malin,

That was hillarious...

Malin said...

Mahen do us a favour..

Can you learn to poop in the toilet that you clean, instead of pooping all over this blog.

B#1 said...

Peter,

If enemy is well prepared, then he has to wait and wait and wait......

lolz :)

Mahen said...

b#0,

You are a traitor who writes broken Tamil, so I will ignore you for the time being.

Rest of the monkeys, the shit has hit the fan, see Tamilnet, are you blind or are you not seeing reports of battles in the East on a daily basis? While you are trying to capture bog, marsh lands and palmyrah trees, we will re-capture the breadbasket East and close the anicut once again. Its raining shit all over madams.

Vigilante said...


These LTTE diehards are real time wasters.
Guys, just ignore the crap. Let them have their last rights which is any way coming to a BUNKER near them.

It is time to ignore these diehards and focus on the mission a head.

We need to discuss issues that SLDF might over look.

If we write 90% stuff focusing the LTTE crap here, then it is a waste of time.

Lets focus on the real issues.

Just IGNORE. Try to do this for the next couple of days.

Just don't answer whatever they say here.





Mahen said...

Vigipansy

Is your keyboard broken, have you not heard of the function ctrl+b?

Malin said...

for Peter..

"hope is nature's veil for hiding truth's nakedness"

Mahen said...

Malin,

Since when did Pirates start preaching?

Malin said...

The day terrorist started giving ceasefires..

Vigilante said...

Guys,

Take a look at the last phrase of this Mahen guy..
[breadbasket East and close the anicut once again. ]


He is talking s^it. It is clear that his purpose here is to monkeying around in the blog to disorient the participants how would otherwise have an intelligent discussion.

Just ignroe these LTTE MONKEYS.

Anonymous said...

--East--

/Responding to our queries, he said that the LTTE had launched a major false propaganda campaign to deceive the Tamil Diaspora and people living in the South. He said that reports on several successful LTTE attacks on the STF had been posted on the pro-LTTE Tamilnet in the recent past. But nothing could be more ridiculous than the claim that the Jayanthan Brigade killed ten police commandos and wounded two at Koappaaveli on the Badulla road on November 4. TamilNet also claimed that the STF had lost three personnel two days later during a 30-minute confrontation in the Panama area.

The STF chief said that LTTE propagandists had based the two false reports on actual confrontations between LTTE cadres and his troops. "We didn’t lose any personnel although police commando Bandara received gunshot injuries during the second encounter," he said. According to him, the LTTE had lost one cadre identified as Satyamurthi./ -island

# LTTP is active (increasngly) in east.
# LTTP propaganda exegarate it, too.
# However, SLDF can't give excuse like "ya, that happaned...but not as LTTP says...small scale..."etc. We need to annihilate.

Vigilante said...



http://www.lovesanimals.com/images/animals/monkey/funny_monkey.jpg


I am not insulting the intelligent
chimp here.

This is how Velu is reacted when his field commanders told him the loss of Vedithalathivu seatiger base.

Anonymous said...

B#1 and kattiya,

Ha Ha nice ones. I enjoyed. These diaspora clowns are so funny. But lets give the priority to discuss defence issues.

Mahen said...

It is not false propoganda, it is the truth told by our contacts directly to us by word of mouth, we don't rely on third hand info from DW, DN and depense.lk.

Th East is rising again.

Malin said...

Ninja

I don’t think we can have 100% LTTE free area in the east. That a fact. They mingle with normal population and there is nothing that SLDF can do but keep it under control. As long as its small skirmishes I guess we are ok. The thing we should look out for is gradual buildup of caders in particular area, what we don’t want is to them to take control of an area. Hit and run in my book is something we would not be able to stop anytime sooner no matter how hard we try.

Rover said...

Rana,

Relax mate, I am not here 24/7, and do not read every single post. Was lucky that I read yours.

"Well, enough is enough, now it is your turn to explain why Ranil deserves more credit than what I already gave to him."

Did I say Ranil deserves more credit than what you gave him?

This is what I said:

"I guess it depends on the situation. Ranil will probably not be a good war president. But he could be a better non-war time president. Something that we discard as being an anathema at a given moment is often embraced with passion when situations change."

The remarks alluding to Ranil were hypothetical manner. This is why I used the terms "guess", "probably" and "could".

The "anathema" statement is a universal truth. Which could become true in Ranil's case as well. That is why I used the term "often" here.

Please read closely, and try to understand the nuances of the language before wasting everyone's time on explaining things that nobody asked you to explain.

Right now, MR has proved to be a good war president. So everyone should support him to win this war, including Ranil. And then make sure that a war like this does not happen again.

Saman said...

navindran Hi,

/Saman hi, yup LTTE is losing so you guys believe this and be happy okay. I mean after looking at you guys blog, i can understand why defencewire can bullshit so much./

I read a lot on this issue man including Tamil nut, bullshit, The Hindu, BBC etc. Convince me man, if you can, that LTTE is winning. (One has to lose for other to win).

If you can't convince me, as promisse to Ninja, I have to call you wesa pig :-)

Anonymous said...

Malin

True- annihilation within 24 hrs is not possible. But SLDF should work on that objective. Keeping things under control not enough. Agree - its hard. But need to be done in long term. Intel is the key, plus public support.

Anonymous said...

Saman

/I did not know that your dog could read English./

Mate, I am dead serious - not kidding. Nowadyas even mokies read and write english. What makes you think a dog can't? Ha Ha Actually, I went to sakwithi's english class..and my dog also came with me..that's how he learned. Ha Ha

/If you don't have a pig, I can call Navindran a Wesa pig./

Now again I have to oppose. My dog told me even pigs do not allow to use their race to refer terrorists. Specially, dumb terrorist clowns. My dog was told by the sole representive of pigs sporksperson - pigsun, that as a mattar of fact no animal allowed using thier races for misuse.

In detail, they claim that none of the animals
1. suicide
2. eat cyanide
3. send thier kids for fights while big ones stay safely etc
(list goes on, I sliped away.)

Now belive me or not...you can't find any animal race in this case. Anyway, you can use what you like but in that case you will be violating dogs' rights, pigs' rights etc. Ha Ha

Vigilante said...


These LTTE barbarians think that I will dance to their tune as they please..

Mohammed Zubair said...

Guys,

Joking apart, there is some truth in this Meeharak Mahen's ramblings. I was told by my contacts that STF is incapable of weeding out and countering pigs' threat in the East. The kill rate is very low, and its almost 1:1 of STF per pig. The STF is not what it was like in the days of Leuke. The SF have given away the command to STF in good faith but they are making a dog's dinner out of it. Also I was told that the pigs are preparing a major operation, could be a concerted attack on STF camps.

Rover said...

Hi Apino, nice to see you too.

Interested to know, whether "Sound" emanating from the Zlins can be used to acquire their general location?

Few points to consider:

*If I'm not mistaken each piston engine has a unique sound signature.

This is only partially correct, in the context of an engine. At a given speed, the fundamental frequency of the engine would be constant. But when the engine revs up, this changes. So there will be a suite of fundamental frequencies (patterns) that we will need to track down. This makes the objective you specify harder (but can be done).

*Software exist and can be developed to filter out background noise and other sound sources and home in on a predetermined signature.

This can easily be done. This can even be done later, using computer software.

* Strategically placed listening arrays encompassing the probable ToyAirForce takeoff/ landing sites can be used for this purpose. In other words ring-fence the area with listening arrays.

The directionality of the sound source can be determined with greater accuracy if we use a parabolic mirror in conjunction with a directional microphone.

* With the shrinking of PussyCat held land, this may be feasible.

May be.

* With the use of more than 3 arrays, it should be able to get a reasonable vector of the airborne aircrafts.

Possible, but sound within our normal hearing range is very prone to distortion, and loss during transmission. So long wavelength sound waves may be a better option. For instance, African elephants use these sound waves over long distances to communicate with each other. These sound waves are inaudible to humans. I suspect that engines would produce these long wave length waves.

* Objective is to have an early warning system which can alert the Air defenses as soon as the TAF are airborne.

May worth it, especially if we don't have 3D radar.

* Such a system should be able to detect the TAF birds even if they hug the tree line, there by denying the element of surprise.

Yes. Possibly, will need to do a fair bit of research on this.

* This should enable us to meet them enroute to their intended target, rather than pursue them after they engage the targets.

If they often change direction, it would be a problem.

* Each array can be mounted on inexpensive tower ( space frame structure) and radio/ digitally linked to a central computer which can then compute the general location using the signal strength received from each array.

* Mi24's fitted with suitable avionics should be placed in few locations close to point/s of origin to facilitate such an interception. This should be the first line of defense.

* F7's, Mandpads, AA can be the 2nd, 3rd, .....line of defense: not necessarily in that order.

Could work. Worth asking a student to at least think about it!

Vigilante said...

Mohammed,


Very true mate..

I have serious doubts about STF..

It is not doing enough..

I think it should hand over the security in Trincomalee to SLA immediately and only look after Ampara and Southern Districts.


A lightning attack on Trinco and its sourounding areas could cripple the entire Wanni operations by the SLA.


Atleast Trinco must be protected with SLA troops.(I guess SLA is doing this.. I could be wrong)


shay said...

Apino,

I have not heard of acoustic based technology for detecting aircraft.

Saman said...

LTTE bastion Kiranchi falls; LTTE suffers heavy casualties - Kilinochchi

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20081110_04

Guys, is any strategic significance of this other than annexture of "cleared areas"

Mohammed Zubair said...

Vigilante,

Trinco is protected by SLA, Allah help us if it is protected by STF! There have been several strikes in Trinco already, but nothing concerted, they tell me that the pigs are planning it. Where is Leuke when you need it.

Also Pillayan / Karuan squabbles are not helping, the result is that the intel is not good as the TMVP is fighting among themselves and not keeping an eye on LTTE build up.

Apino Dannachess said...

Hi Rover,

Thanks for your input. I would like to continue this discussion off this blog. Will figure out a way to do this and let you know soon.

Cheers

Apino Dannachess said...

Hi there Shay,

May be so, but I remember reading something on these lines long time ago.

Your reply prompted me to google just now and the resulting links are given below:


http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992STIN...9528073K

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel2/2950/8766/00386813.pdf?arnumber=386813

Excerpt from the above link:
"Summary:A great deal of illicit cargo enters the United States on small, fixed wing, propeller-driven aircraft. Acoustic sensors are capable of detecting, recognizing, and locating low flying fixed wing aircraft even when the aircraft are not within line of sight. The authors present the technology principles for the design of an acoustic aircraft detection sensor, including prediction of detection range, atmospheric propagation effects, signal processing algorithms, microphone characteristics, and data transmission alternatives. Data obtained with an experimental acoustic sensor system were used to evaluate detection and tracking algorithms. The results of the evaluation are presented"

http://ams.confex.com/ams/Annual2006/techprogram/paper_102262.htm

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4719606/description.html

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4811308.html

And there is more. Looks like the idea has been around for a while.

Would you be interested to discuss this topic further off the blog?

Cheers

Saman said...

Ninja,

OK now all options gone, I will be satisfied with,

Wesa sakkili Perethaya
Goo Betta, Horse shit, dog shit
Goo collecting Punde

Or any combination of the above

shay said...

Vigilante,

"Atleast Trinco must be protected with SLA troops.(I guess SLA is doing this.. I could be wrong")

You obviously havent been to Trinco or the east lately. Getting into Trinco is a nightmare because of the massive security presence and innumerable security checks. There is a large SLA presence even in areas like Habarana/Minneriya where reserves for protecting the east are located.

Don't believe the terrorist propaganda. They can certainly carry out nuisance attacks in the east like they have been doing, but their ability to carry out a large scale attack it very limited. The current offensives in the north are not being conducted by thinning out the east as the LTTE propanganda will have you believe.

Apino Dannachess said...

Rover, Shay,

My proposed solution can use existing telecom and mobile phone relay stations/ towers to house the microphones.

One more thing. As a kid i can remember whenever a prop driven plane passes overhead, the TV screen use to have a visible waive spikes with audible "click click" noise, which I believe is triggered by the engine ignition system.

With a proper amplification this too should be detectable at distance (guessing here).

My ideas is to develop something locally, within a short time using locally available techno and resources.

There is even a better solution, but would rather discuss off the blog.

Do you think this approach merits further study by KDA or Mora Engineering Faculty?

Cheers

Mohammed Zubair said...

Shay / Vigilante,

I am not questioning the troop numbers in Trinco and the east in general. It is the effectiveness of these troops that come in question. Let's be honest, when was the last time we heard of a successful STF mission? There was a big hoo haa when the SF camps were vacated and taken over by the STF, the hoo haa was justified and the LTTE was just waiting for that moment to strike.

Malin said...

shay you could be right but at least we should be aware of a possiblity. we should Never let our guard down also if LTTE attack it will definitly wll be an area we wont be expecting.

shay said...

Apino,

If they can develop it into a working and practical military application, then sure why not. However, by the looks of it, its still in the theoretical stage, so it might be a long time before something comes of it.

The Zlin's are propaganda tools to fool the sakkiliyas. Even if they used all their remaining Zlins in suicide attacks its not going to save them now. They way its going, they won't have many places to operate from soon.

The problem lately has been interception and not just early detection. As per the events given in the last attack, the ground based radars did detect the Zlins in time and jets were launched in time, but couldn't get radar/missiles to lock on. So the problem that needs to be solved is why they couldn't get the weapons to lock on. I.e. if they were using an IR jammer, the problem will be solved by acquiring some radar guided missiles.

Malin said...

Anyway guys we shouldnt get over worried about it as long as Defence Forces are aware of the situvation that should be enough for now.

hiru said...

LTTE will not lay down arms - TNA



"TNA MP Senathiraja Jeyananthamoorthi stated in parliament today that there was no other alternative than a separate state for Tamils, adding that the LTTE would not lay down arms. He said that they had strategically withdrawn, and that they could not be militarily defeated"

Once again TNA has proved that they represent LTTP but not the tamil people... (pulli koti)

Mohammed Zubair said...

Yes, they have strategically withdrawn into the sea. Some have strategically withdrawn into toilet bogs, others to greater Eelam (Toronto).

Mohammed Zubair said...

Don't forget that some have withdrawn into Dwarka's pants.

kappetipola said...

""TNA MP Senathiraja Jeyananthamoorthi stated in parliament today that there was no other alternative than a separate state for Tamils,""

how come they ask separate state ???

its violating rules of any Parliament Minister in the World.

Mohammed Zubair said...

This is what I don't get. Why aren't the MPs who demand seperatism tried for treason? That is the general Roman / Dutch law isn't it?

Peter said...

"Mother Lanka at this critical hour of need requests young men with GCE (Ordinary Level) or (Advanced Level) to seek enlistment with the Sri Lanka Army."

http://www.army.lk/morenews.php?id=17979

Apino Dannachess said...

Shay,

Funny, 5 minutes ago I was on a call to Ex-Air force flier: and his response was the same. Problem lies with weapons lock and not with early detection.

yes, if it takes time to develop this ( Which I believe it will), it defeats the purpose.

However Zlins can be used in more creative ways when the push come shove.

However, overall I have to agree with your points. I rest my case.

P.S. How ready are we (SLAF) if the Zlins appear from the south to target other economic/ military assets which are not based in and around colombo? I will stop short of naming some of these.

I believe Zlins have enough fuel to fly deep in to the sea then fly low and appear from south.

hiru said...

It is interesting to see what kotiyos (other than TNA=LTTP) in the parliament have to say...

Katch said...

Asithri said,

"Bad news…real bad news!

MI believes LTTE MFs have been successful in landing an unspecified number of the latest, Chinese made T-99 battle tanks somewhere in Sri Lanka and they are now being inducted in the war theatre."

According to the wiki;
The Type 99, also known as ZTZ-99 and WZ-123, developed from the Type 98G (in turn, a development of the Type 98), is a 3rd generation main battle tank (MBT) fielded by the Chinese People's Liberation Army. It is made to compete with modern western tanks. Although not expected to be acquired in large numbers due to its high cost compared to the more economical Type 96, it is currently the most advanced MBT fielded by China.

If these dudes can lay their hands on the most advance battle tank that china has, there is something seriously wrong !

Are the Chinese playing a double game? Unless they are together in it with the Koreans!

Mohammed Zubair said...

I thinks its the North Koreans that have been supplying MBTs, obviously purchased from China and then sold to KP branch, North Koreans have been doing this for a while now. I think even the Zlins could have been acquired through them.

Vigilante said...

Shay,


Thanks for the info. mate.

Sorry for the distraction.

Tiger diehards were claiming that LTTE hand over 5 bodies of SLN sailors after last encounter with the sea tigers in North Eastern seas.

Infact the SLN footage shows a huge explosion which turns in to two seperate fires. That made me think that LTTE might have rammed a SBS boat in that incident.


Can the DW shed some light on this incident?

Katch said...

I meant the North Koreans, given that the US had accused them of aiding the tigers.

Ironically, it was also the North Koreans that aided and abetted the JVP in 1971. When the North Korean diplomatic corp was thrown out of the country when their connivance with the JVP was discovered, it was the then Chinese Ambassador that saw them off at the airport in Colombo!

Still, if they have acquired T 99 battle tanks, it would be quite a coup!

Sri Lankikaya said...

katch

read Asithri's post again and look at the link.you have obviously not got the drfit brother

he was referring to the armour plated tractor that was captured.

Sri Lankikaya said...

Katch and MZ

correction not the drift, you have not seen the 'catch' in Asithri's post

Katch said...

Zubhair,

How on earth could they have brought it in to the country? It's not like they can transfer it onto a boat in mid sea?

Mohammed Zubair said...

How on earth did they bring in heavy artillery, Zlins, helicopters into the country?

Katch said...

Hey Kithul, Thanks Mate :)

I was shitting bricks here thinking that somebody had done us in!
Sorry Asithri :) That was a scare! honest man!

Mohammed Zubair said...

The russians brought in ICBMs in ships carrying flour into Cuba. Upto now, the pigs had almost entire sway over the western coast.

Katch said...

A good article on Obama

Hope-for-america-but-not-for-the-world

http://www.groundviews.org/2008/11/07/barack-obama-hope-for-america-but-not-for-the-world/

Mahen said...

Mohammed Zubair,
You as well as Singala modayas will see how we have moved those heavy equipment.
Have you ever asked how we've funded for those during last 12 months.

Waiting for our Boss Anna's green flag, you will see the how fast some can run.

Observer said...

Katch

Have a look at the picture pointed to by Asithri’s post.. :-)

You will see how dangerous those T99 tanks are. I cant believe this scum bags has bought such sophisticated machinery..

Infinity said...

I feel almost sorry for the armchair foreign LTTE supporters. With the LTTE in retreat for the entire war, many of them had illusions of grand LTTE counter-offensive once the weather turned bad. Instead, it is the army which has increased the speed of their offensive.

I think that even more important than the fall of Kiranchi is the battle taking place at Chempankundu. Not sure if the army controls this now or not. If Chempankundu has fallen, then the best defensive barrier the tiger had is gone.

Also good to see the infighting and blame game now taking place among the tiger leaders. More please!

Puffy said...

Rana;

Hope U agree now... :-)

I wrote on 4th;
========
If the SLA manages cut off that road (Pooneryn-Parantha), may be somewhere close to Periyaparanthan, then Paranthan will also be at risk of falling to the SLA. This will be very dangerous to the LTTE since Killi will be vulnerable from both north and south. Who knows, since the LTTE is hell-bent on stopping the 57 division from reaching Killi from the south, this might be the real intension of the SLA.
========


DW wrote on 8th;
========
As we noted many weeks ago, the Sri Lanka Army will probably checkmate the LTTE’s Kilinochchi stronghold, not from the current operation by the 57 but from the operation working its way towards Paranthan from the northwest. Military tacticians have long realized that there’s more than one way to take Kilinochchi. Currently, the Tigers are using maximum force to hold down the 57 Division at Iranamadu, Akkarayan and Kokavil general areas. They cannot afford the 58 moving towards Paranthan from the Pooneryn-Paranthan road. This would make Muhamale and Kilinochchi untenable.
========

And who knows, if Lt.Gen. Sarath Fonseka feels like rocking the boat harder, once reaching Paranthan, he might turn towards EP, while 53 & 55 comes down... ;-)

Mohammed Zubair said...

Puffy,

"And who knows, if Lt.Gen. Sarath Fonseka feels like rocking the boat harder, once reaching Paranthan, he might turn towards EP, while 53 & 55 comes down... ;-)"

Thats suicidal, one step at a time. I like the current phase.

Mohammed Zubair said...

Back in DN, The Boss is planning on starting a closed LTTE blog. This is his call to arms.

"sharp,

thanks.

I am planning to create a closed discussion forum for tamils. So we can discuss things about the war. Its only for trusted members. Are you interested?"

I guess they need a blog to privately discuss tactical withdrawals.

Corey said...

mahen the ltter hallucinating again:

"You as well as Singala modayas will see how we have moved those heavy equipment.
Have you ever asked how we've funded for those during last 12 months.

Waiting for our Boss Anna's green flag, you will see the how fast some can run".

-keep hallucinating, pal. These type of actions actually can help bipolar mania sufferers cope with anxiety.

Enjoy!!!!!!!!

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Everybody seems to have a good time with muppets navindran, peeter, mahen et al. Did I miss all the fun ?

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Here monkey.. monkey..mahen..

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Guys,

I see some use the term "anna" in the blog. Nodanna demaleta gihin warige naha gannawa wage !

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Too bad. Monkeys are engaged in ransom collection for hipos day.

Unknown said...

What an excellent article, one of the best I have read in recent times. What more can you expect to know about the extremely professional manner the war is conducted and the patronage provided towards it by the political leadership. Why can't the other sections of media write reports such as this that are free from political bias.

Congratulations and please keep up the good work.

Saman said...

Moshe,

Your explanation by numbers, getting your points across, is fascinating. Also, credit is yours for not only analysing the war but also you are thinking ahead and planning post war SL. That put you in a class of your own. However, before responding I need to clarify I am getting what you intending to say. If answers to my statements are negative, I have not got your point and my writing here may not be relevant.

1. you are talking about JVP insurrections and their post war political role as a danger
2. you are suggesting, in a vacuum of post war opportunities, engaging youth in university education to buy time, as a solution (I think we can gain 4 years/generation)

Answers to above are YES, and then I am in the grove. Even not keep reading and I will try to be as brief as I can.

In retrospect, the circumstances within which the two JVP insurrections were created have two different causes and they never represented wider community.

1971 - Yes, they formed around 1963-64. They had five classes. They were from non-soviet camp (more inclined to China) and a group of young people fascinated by Che’s and Fidel’s Cuban success (first successful Menshevik revolutionary model). They worked their asses out to bring Sirima to power in 1970 after last term of Dudley Senanayake. Their target was first to become the strongest leftist party in SL to win harts and minds of masses. When they saw SB/NM (70-77) will not provide that they got so impatient (I think average age of the politburo was 23 or so). Took up few shotguns did a one night revolution. Crushed in no time – a popular elected government with a strong leftist movement in their first year in office. So dumb. Proper trial was conducted – all in the politburo but one was jailed.

1977 – JR released all of them to hunt down left. Took away SB’s civil rights. Traditional left movement was crushed. JVP evolved as a democratic left force with Wije Kumaranathungas SLFP.


1983 – JR let country burn for two weeks. First state sponsored communal riots. JVP was proscribed all gone underground.

1987 – 1989 – one of the darkest eras of the motherland. Weakest two years of JR’s political career as well. JVP came up again as an anti-Indian nationalistic movement. 1990 RW was caught + JVP politburo members were killed (I think Janaka Perera and Lucky Algama came to prominence through this). No trials.

Again, JVP under a new leadership (if you wish to call it that) emerged and worked flat out to bring CBK and then MR.

So the point I am getting at is - the ups and downs of JVP and their insurrections has little to do with the class struggle. Rather can better explain through political conspiracy theory than youth unrest due to class struggle.

Predicting them under post war scenario is a conundrum.

The other point is – Universities are the hot beds and cradles of leftist movements. If we were to look in the light of keeping them occupied (not making trouble) may be a fallacy.

Love to discuss – POST WAR SRI LANKA – with you guys.

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