Thursday, February 26, 2009

At the gates of the grand finale of Eelam War IV

Teams from the 58 Division spearheaded by Commandos managed to enter the main built-up area of the Puthukudirippu Town last afternoon but the Town could not be completely cleared due to stiff resistance from small teams of hardcore LTTE fighters who are moving about and engaging the Army in hit-and-run waves even as we speak.

Fighting is raging in visible-range as infantry units fight almost face-to-face with the Tigers at times. Beyond visual range or Trajectory Weapons like the LTTE's heavy guns have fallen silent. 120mm mortars seems to be the only heavy artillery the Tigers have and these are being fired occasionally from civilian settlements in the general area Mathalang and even from the designated No Fire Zones. 130 and 152 fire has ceased almost completely.

Tigers aren't the only ones who have limited the heavy firepower. Whereas the LTTE has abandoned its heavy guns due to lack of shells, SLA has limited theirs due to concerns of civilian safety. Clearing Puthukudirippu might take weeks as the Tigers have painstakingly booby trapped all buildings, including houses that FIBUA teams could potentially use for cover and tactical advantage.

Despite all obstacles the indicators are that the Tigers might withdraw further towards civilian settlements tonight or tomorrow morning. Capturing Puthukudirippu permanently is a matter of time. Ground sources claim that the Tigers might attempt one massive attack tonight or early tomorrow morning. If this attack doesn't come, it could come soon after the Town is secured.

We are fast approaching the final hours of Eelam War IV. The ball is in the LTTE's court now to try and prevent it. If the LTTE does not come up with a miracle within the next 12hrs, the next alternative for the Tigers is to either die at the hands of the SLA or hide among the civilians.

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Bhairav said...

This is what said a week ago that within 48 hrs, PTK will be captured, now it continues for second week.

SL said...

But Bahirav,

SLA will capture PTK even after two weeks. Is there any comeback for the lttp?

Rana said...

Thanks DW,

It will be faster from here.

Bhairav said...
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Bhairav said...

Our former 711 cashier, GR, announced that the war will continue until LTTE is destroyed, now is no more of 48 hr, and 72 hr deadline to finish LTTE. These guessing game and speculation will continue until GR hits the dust.

SL said...

Bhairav said...

Our former 711 cashier, GR, announced that the war will continue until LTTE is destroyed, now is no more of 48 hr, and 72 hr deadline to finish LTTE. These guessing game and speculation will continue until GR hits the dust.
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At this rate don't you think lttp will hit the dust first?

How long you guys going to deny the inevitable?

Any way what is the exchange rate for SLR against USD?

Unknown said...

DW,
Yesterday you wrote two DPU tiger teams have been detected during the past two weeks. But, who knows how many teams entered without detection? My question is where are all top leaders of LTTE? Only time will answer these questions...

AddYourOpinion said...

Sir,
Will you have an update for us in 12 Hours ?

jay pathberiya said...

SO WHAT? 2 WEEKS OR 2 MONTHS DOES IT MATTER AS LONG AS THE JOB IS DONE AND THE WORLD AND THE TAMIL NADU NEIGHBOURS DO NOT SCREAM OF GENOCIDE

Thusitha said...

Once you finish LTTP, please wipe out the JVP as well. They are the fucking reason that we could not keep our eye on the Terrorist by creating chaos in the South. Make sure that ordinary people understand these guys are a national security threat rather than a politcal party and should be treated the same way LTTE has been treated.

praveendesilva said...

man u r truly awesome this is the first time im commenting but to tell u one truth DW is whr v always xpct the truth n look for truth...DW has shown alot of readers the true side of the war...Thanks for the great job..keep up the good work...

SL said...

Thusitha said...

Once you finish LTTP, please wipe out the JVP as well. They are the fucking reason that we could not keep our eye on the Terrorist by creating chaos in the South. Make sure that ordinary people understand these guys are a national security threat rather than a politcal party and should be treated the same way LTTE has been treated.

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Do you have any evidence that suggests jvp is a security threat?

Corey said...

To all patriotic Sri Lankans (peelamists - no need to look):

Thank you for your fight for the integrity and prosperity of our beloved motherland. Here is a small token of thanks for you:

My son at the Independence Day Celebrations Singing a Tribute to Our Heroic Soldiers: Ratna Deepa Janma Bhoomi; (he is six yrs old):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPwusgpwJYI

SL said...

Thusitha,

I'm not a fan of jvp and I know how they sabotage the education of SL universities.

But we have to remember that if they didn't back Mahinda in the 2005 presidential elections not of these could have been achieved. Also remember the 2007 budget vote. if they didn't abstain from voting against it, situation will be much more different than now.

Gringo said...

Thanks, Corey. Good stuff.

Indeed we all can be 'safe' only if we are under in the arms of Motherlanka.

KillerT said...

මචන්ග්ලා,

මෙ DW කියන්නෙ හෙට උදේ වෙද්දි ඔක්කොම ඉවර වෙඉ කිඅලද?

Thusitha said...

Fireball said...
Thusitha,

I'm not a fan of jvp and I know how they sabotage the education of SL universities.

But we have to remember that if they didn't back Mahinda in the 2005 presidential elections not of these could have been achieved. Also remember the 2007 budget vote. if they didn't abstain from voting against it, situation will be much more different than now.

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I see. Then I hope they keep up the good work. But last thing we want now is another revolutionary movement after all the fighting for the last 25 years. We need peace and tranquility in mother Lanka.

Unknown said...

bahi rave .

what is the hurry dude ? we have waited 26 years for this ! a few weeks here or there makes no difference .

SL said...

Thusitha said,

I see. Then I hope they keep up the good work. But last thing we want now is another revolutionary movement after all the fighting for the last 25 years. We need peace and tranquility in mother Lanka.

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I fully agree with you. Our nation is tired or this war. But as I see, jvp is still not moved to a position to take arms. They are fully in to the democratic system enjoying its full benefits (including the subsidized food @ the parliament, vehicle permits :-D). But, if the government fails to bring benefits to the people, specially for the younger generation after finishing the war then there is a good possibility of a violent revolutionary movement similar to 71 and 89.

Sam Perera said...

DefenceWire,

"Beyond visual range or Trajectory Weapons like the LTTE's heavy guns have fallen silent. 120mm mortars seems to be the only heavy artillery the Tigers have and these are being fired occasionally from civilian settlements in the general area Mathalang and even from the designated No Fire Zones. 130 and 152 fire has ceased almost completely."

Is this because LTTE wants our a few groups of soldiers trapped and killed with arty attacks or because they have run out of ammo? I have the feeling that they are trying to do another coordinated attack using their core and arty from the no fire zone. What ever they do, it is going to be futile since we have many more elite divisions capable of swinging in to action in moments notice, put in reserve. I hope that our grand master of chess has well foreseen the possibilities of nasty last minute surprises to prevent unnecessary deaths of our brothers.

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Isuru said...

Bhairav is no man of any substance.

JWick said...

"" Fireball said...
........But, if the government fails to bring benefits to the people, specially for the younger generation after finishing the war then there is a good possibility of a violent revolutionary movement similar to 71 and 89.""

That was the same excuse JVP used to take arms initially. If JVP is genuinely democratic, instead of taking arms, they should convince the people that they have the policies and capabilities to solve the problems, instead of taking arms. The people have lost confidence in JVP due to their partial non-cooperation towards the Govt. they helped to form, and bitter infighting. How can they unite a country when they could not sort out their problems?

DW from Cali said...

So what if SLA caputres PTK within 48 hrs or 2 weeks or 2 months. The important thing is our Army seek out and kill all the sakili LTTE shit bags and their low life leaders that are hidding in PTK. This way we know these dumbfu**s can't blend in with the general population in the safety zone and escape when our Army finally liberate the North. By seeking them out and killing these shit bags one by one at PTK our Army can minimize these hardcore pussies that can attack SL Military in the future.

ReallyCold..... said...

DW, thanks for the report.

The mistakes most Tamils supportive to LTTE have done is coming to alive.

They fooled their own people to believe they can have a homeland in Sri Lanka.

Tamils were forced to fight for a Homeless land at the end.

The burden to fix the broken Tamil lives will fall on to Sinhalese now. One day Sinhalese will realize the war is easier.

We mortgaged our future to get rid of your violence. We shouldn't have to bankrupt ourselves to rehabilitate you.

NOLTTE=Peace said...

Another great article from our beloved Prof..

http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090225_01

Ahaa.. here comes the cat out of the closet..

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/HRW.html

http://www.antiwar.com/rep/treanor1.html

My conclusion....!

HRW is a huge tool of an "Economic Hitman"!

SL said...

JWick said...

"That was the same excuse JVP used to take arms initially. If JVP is genuinely democratic, instead of taking arms, they should convince the people that they have the policies and capabilities to solve the problems, instead of taking arms. The people have lost confidence in JVP due to their partial non-cooperation towards the Govt. they helped to form, and bitter infighting. How can they unite a country when they could not sort out their problems?"

hay I'm not defending jvp :-D. I have first hand experience the chaos they have done to the country. I was just responding to Thusitha's claim that jvp becoming a national security threat, which I don't belie. Also I pointed out that they contributed positively in the above mentioned two occasions (i.e. 2005 Prez election and 2007 budget).

ReallyCold..... said...

Military victory over LTTE is just a milestone for Sri Lanka and will never be the destination.


End of LTTE is beginning of the long and hard work.

Killing people is much easier than keeping them alive providing them a good life.

So, hold on to your celebrations.

JWick said...

Fireball, sorry man. I got a little mixed up!!

ConspiracyTheory said...

[Thusitha said...

Once you finish LTTP, please wipe out the JVP as well. They are the fucking reason that we could not keep our eye on the Terrorist by creating chaos in the South. Make sure that ordinary people understand these guys are a national security threat rather than a politcal party and should be treated the same way LTTE has been treated.]

Truelly JVP was in political wilderness for last 2 years and still in sabotage mentality blocking the progress of our country. But I appreciate following two legal and democratic actions JVP took last few years. These actions help us lot to come what we have achieved today
1) Go to SC against PTOM implementation.
Sri Lanka court suspends tsunami aid-sharing deal
2) Go to SC against North East merger
N-E merger null and void

JWick said...

Hey guys, Prabha may be hiding here!

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=41708

ReallyCold..... said...

@NOLTTE

[HRW is a huge tool of an "Economic Hitman"!]

Think of a sports team and their mission is victory.

These organization is driven by their desire to be successful.

That means, they will want to solve the 'minority' problems in Sri Lanka at the expense of Majority.

Remember, they are not interested in a long lasting comprehensive solution.

It is therefore the responsibility of the majority to get together and work hard to make sure they are NOT SUCCESSFUL.

Almost all NGOs in Sri Lanka have a very narrow vision.

NGOs shouldn't be able to make recommendation to national political decisions.

ReallyCold..... said...

@ConspiracyTheory

I agree, the JVP in the recent past appeared more patriotic loyal than the other major parties.

They have helped to get rid of JRJ, IPKF, RW/LTTE marriage, and also the fight against EELAM alive while other influential Sinhalese were selling off us.

It is ironic they lacked a long term national vision.

Gringo said...

Great leaders are never popular. This is an undeniable fact. It is legendary how Britain and US gave hard times to Lee K Yu and Mahathiar Mohammed, when they were building their countries... facing all odds.

Those leaders stood tall, when the odds were stacking up against them... every step of their way while media men were publishing sensational stories. Their determination to succeed finally paid off, and the rest is history.

I am not attached to any political party or a politician.... but the leadership of our president has to be acknowledged as exceptional. Here’s a role model for our kids.
We all must show to the whole world that we are with him and his team… whatever
comes our way. Because when a lion is sick and weak… even the old-goats will arrive in large numbers give a kick.

Tamil terrorists or separatists must never be allowed to dictate terms to us. We should never put anything special on the menu because someone walks in wearing a ‘Tamil’ cap.

All OPTIONS must be open to deal with these parasites, which have been successful in preventing the average Sri Lankan enjoying a better life.

ak47 said...

DW
Thanks for the update , what about the area between PTK and No fire zone ?? Surely thats goign to take sometime as well ?

Also what can 55 do to advance any further ?

Thusitha said...
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Thusitha said...

Thusitha said...
ConspiracyTheory said...

Truelly JVP was in political wilderness for last 2 years and still in sabotage mentality blocking the progress of our country. But I appreciate following two legal and democratic actions JVP took last few years. These actions help us lot to come what we have achieved today
1) Go to SC against PTOM implementation.
Sri Lanka court suspends tsunami aid-sharing deal
2) Go to SC against North East merger
N-E merger null and void

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Then again I wonder whether these would have been required if they haven't caused so much problems in the seventies and eighties. Wouldn't it be right to say we would have handled the LTTE threat much better if we didn't have this political problems.

ConspiracyTheory said...

[Thusitha said...
Then again I wonder whether these would have been required if they haven't caused so much problems in the seventies and eighties. Wouldn't it be right to say we would have handled the LTTE threat much better if we didn't have this political problems.]

True in a way. If JVP didn't sabotage we would have got more things done using IPKF. If we look back solution to this problem we are back into solution gave in late 80s now.

But as long as they in political main stream and do they political in democratics way we can't wipe them out. They definitely can't score more than 5% of the SL voter base. But problem is sabotage mentality is inherant in their genes. So we have to keep watchfull eye. Nobody has to be allowed to take law and order of the country into their hands

Thusitha said...

Gringo said...
I am not attached to any political party or a politician.... but the leadership of our president has to be acknowledged as exceptional. Here’s a role model for our kids.
We all must show to the whole world that we are with him and his team… whatever
comes our way. Because when a lion is sick and weak… even the old-goats will arrive in large numbers give a kick.

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Well said.
I think few things made him a good leader. Coming from the south, he is very loyal to our country. Second he is a good politician. Third and most important thing is that he has a family connection with the army through his brother and therefore understand what how army feels. Like the Tsunami, some one with these attributes would not come for few centuries. Therefore we should try to unite our country this time around so that we can weather all types of enemies in the future.

CASC said...

Many thanks for the update DW.

Please keep us updated as possible as the grand finale approaches.

ඉයන් said...

With regard to JVP

Then

(a) It is said that JVP insurrection in 1971 gave the idea to Tamil youth of an armed struggle.

(b) In late 80's it was JVP who tried to capitalize on the northern issue where army was stretched to win a similar status in the south. JVP and LTTE worked at tandem to destabilize the govt. JVP planned and threatened to kill members of the armed forces. The no nonsense Ranjan Wijeratne and the work of Janaka P, Lucky Algama ensured they didn’t succeed.

However I agree JVP made amends in the recent past by way of supporting the crushing of LTTE, PTOMS and NE Merger issues.

Anonymous said...

Breaking News

58th division captured prabha's underware.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Really Cold,

Human Right Watch (HRW) has become a joke or we must make it a joke. Dr. Anna Neistat is talking about right of terrorists and criminals. She should know that terrorists, criminals and their supporters cannot enjoy same rights as innocent civilians.

After so many years, HRW has become so short sided now it should be called Terrorists and Criminals Right Watch Dog (T&CWD).

When some body opted to do terrorist or criminal activity; they are foregoing their rights as humans.

In the name of human rights; HRW is helping terrorists and criminals to gain personal advantages.

Saman said...

Gringo and Patriots,

/There was never an opportunity for us to trample the bogus Tamil homeland concept for good./

100% agree.

With that the argument of separatism, by default, is expected to put to rest.

Sri Lanka has a legitimate right to accomplish this goal as a lesson learnt from 30 year civil war (if we call it so).

The question is - How do we do that openly and sincerely?
Answer is – Declare to the world our vision. And make it happen.

Soon after last LTTE MF kisses dust of my country, two things would likely happen,

1. Sheep skinned wounded Tigers, federalists, un-employed western lawyers/diplomats and so called human right specialist, would piggyback on to the stage by UNP scum bags. India would pave the way.
2. A class of Sinhalese and Tamil business interests (backed by corrupt politicians) in re-construction/rehab money would enter North-East piggybacked by INGOs sniffing a pot of money by India/Un/EU/USA and even Norway.

If we wish to un-do homeland myth we must be prepared for 1 & 2 and openly declare what we intend to do about that. Time is correct to create a panel (or a presidential commission) parallel to APRC to draw a master plan for the countries future – focusing on Infrastructure development/trade/commerce models which facilitate that ethnic integration discouraging the spread of mono ethnic enclaves. For an example, if we have good road infrastructure a person from Trincomalee can commute daily to work as same as a person from Galle (in less than 1.5 hours). MR must seek a mandate (through Parliamentary elections and later Presidential elections) based on this vision and policy to back it up. Such a mandate must influence this vision to the constitution and call for the end of “mono ethnic mono religious registered political parties” by making such illegal - a curse left behind by our colonial masters especially in South Asia). I would even put my vote to have a vice-president to represent interests of minorities within such a constitution.

What ever we do, who ever may ask us to do, for GOD SAKE, never ever leave a trace of separatism, federalism, Tamils as a special group need baby care. These three conditions must kiss the dust with the last LTTE scum.

MathaMathica1 said...

My comment to Winky-Dinky’s article in Ananda’s blog :

Eelam Myth : Standardisation was implemented to descriminate Tamils.

[In 1972 standardization was implemented and this discriminated Tamils beyond belief. Northern province offers little opportunities and education is everything. You take it away from Tamils and they will not have any livelihood left.]

The above paragraph contains two myths which were used by the tribal separatist, such as LTTE, to infuse anti-GOSL hatred into young Tamils from Northern Sri Lanka.

1. Northern province offers no opportunities except education.
2. The standardisation was introduced to prevent Tamils from acceding to higher education.

Let us try to separate facts from fiction on dealing with above two separatist propaganda slogans.

1. Northern province offers no opportunities except education.

Paranthan Chemical Complex and KKS Cement factory are two of the biggest enterprises in the island’s Northern region. Unemployment rate in the Northern region is less than 5% compared to the island average of 10%.

The Northern dry lands, when properly irrigated, are as productive as any other region of the island. We all know how famous are Jaffna mangoes, chillies, red onions etc. One must never forget that it was the Northern dry lands which gave birth to our great Anuradhapura agricultural civilisation.

{ Authors note1: if any bloggers have ground level agricultural & industrial performance data of the North prior to the LTTE occupation, please do post for insertion here}

2. The standardisation was introduced to prevent Tamils from acceding to higher education.

This is a blatant lie fabricated expressly to alienate young Tamil Sri Lankans from the Nation, sabotage the national cohesion and fuel the separatist bloodshed.

At the independence of our country, less than 5% of the population had a working knowledge in English. This “elite” formed an exclusive English Speaking class overloading the destiny of the remaining 95%, mostly village folks. That was the educational heritage we got from the British colonial empire. The majority of Sri Lankans neither had Singhala schooling nor Tamil schooling since the traditional educational structure of the country was totally destroyed by the colonial administration in order to prevent any organised challenge against its authority.
All free intellectual activity, not falling in line or not serving the Empire, was systematically eliminated at times brutally and at times subtly.
It is true that 97% of the Singhalese were bidding time to kick the invaders off the island.

The colonial Government had encouraged the education of Jaffna Tamils and some Singhalese under the watchful eye of the religious authorities so as to form a faithful pool of servitors of the colonial administration, army, police, commerce, judiciary, education etc. British were shrewd politicians and they knew that if a minority was given privileges over the majority, the minority will always support the colonial masters, the givers of the privileges, to preserve them. Thus the British colonial administration created a class of Ceylonese who fought tooth and nail against any attempt at re-conquest of the island by the majority, namely the Sri Lankan village folks.

The membership of almost 50% of the 5% English speaking elite club was intentionally reserved for Jaffna Tamils by the colonial administration. This small 5% minority was dominating every sphere of life in the island, there were none so happy as these elected men of the empire – they had education, power, money, land and Singhala/Tamil ayas (domestic aides) in abundance.

After the independence, the GOSL did its best to right this abominable situation with the little resources available at the moment: encouraging the education in Singhala & Tamil medieums. (It should be remembered that the Tea/Rubber/Coconut based economy of the country was very fragile because its fate depended on the demand of the former colonial masters. )

The native language education was successful but sadly, by 1970, the rural Singhala educated youth were easily impatient at the lack of social change and were preparing to take up arms to challenge the domination and oppression by the aforesaid 5% minority. Most of them were educated in non technical fields and were unemployed, and had nothing to loose.

So, the GOSL introduced the standardisation by media in 1970 to give rural youth access to the education in technical fields (sciences, medicine, engineering).

The media-wise standardisation required that the number of entrances to the Universities should be proportional to the number of students presenting for the entrance examinations. Since Jaffna schools provided 35-40% of all Science/Engineering/Medical A/L students of the island, 1970's standardisation did not affect their entrance to the Universities.

Thus began a trial and error approach to rectify the redistribution of limited educational / employment opportunities in the country which evolved in to what is practised today at university admissions: on merit 30%, on district basis 65%, on under- privileged district basis 5%.

The evolution of the Standardisation policy - which is still evolving according to the needs of the country - with time can be listed as follows:

1970 - Media based university admission was introduced.

1974 - The principle of district quotas was introduced for the first time.
Eligible students were classified according to the administrative
districts from which they had taken the GCE (A/L) examination.
Students were selected in the order of merit of standardised marks.
The number of places available for each course of study was allocated
to the districts in proportion to their general population.

1976 - 70% of the places in each course were filled according to the order of merit on an all island basis as determined by the standardised marks obtained at the GCE (A/L) examination. The remaining 30% were
filled on a district basis: The concept of “educationally under-privileged districts” was introduced in this year and one-half of the places to be filled on the district basis i.e. 15% of the total number of places was reserved for students from 10 districts classified as being “educationally underprivileged”.

1978 - Standardisation was abandoned and it was decided that admission would be on the basis of raw marks as was the
practice prior to 1970. It also decided that a student who would have
gained admission to the University had there been a standardisation
of marks should not be deprived of such admission owing to the
abolition of standardisation. The number of underprivileged districts
was increased to 11 with the inclusion of the Batticaloa district to the
category.

1979 – It was decided that admission should be made only on the
basis of raw marks and that the places available in 1979 should be
filled according to the following formula:
(a) 30% of the places in each course of study were to be filled on an
all island merit basis.
(b) 55% of the places in each course of study were to be allocated to
the 24 administrative districts in proportion to their respective
populations and filled on a district merit list.
(c) The remaining 15% of the places in each course of study were to
be allocated, in proportion to their respective populations, to 12
administrative districts deemed to be “educationally underprivileged”.
These students were also chosen on a district merit
list.

1980 - The number of underprivileged districts was increased to 13 with the inclusion of the Puttalam district.

1985 – It was decided to change the district and underprivileged district quota as follows:
(a) the national merit quota to remain at 30%
(b) to increase the district quota from 55% to 65%, and
(c) to reduce the under-privileged district quota to 5% from 15% and
also to reduce the number of such districts to 5 from 13.

The under-privileged districts are designated according to the prevailing circumstances. And the system remains unchanged to date.

Note that the SLFP Socialist Minster of Education Badi-ud-din Mahmud
was one of the prime movers in the introduction of standardisation policies. He was a Tamil speaking Muslim and worked hard to ameliorate the lot of the rural Muslims who were then considered as one of the most backward communities in the island.

There was nothing « Singhala Buddhist » about these reforms, these were efforts by democratically elected governments to rectify the blunders and imbalances created by the notorious colonial administration.

None of these standardisation would have been necessary if the 5% elite who had the destiny of the land in their hands used their powers, whole heartedly, for the benefit of all Sri Lankans instead of ganging themselves to preserve their status. If I were a Jaffna Tamil or a Singhalese who was elevated to be the English speaking privileged class during the colonial times whose momentum lasts even today, I would have certainly worked hard to ameliorate the lot of the uneducated 95% of the village folks of Sri Lanka by contributing to their education. I would have worked doubly hard to uplift the country as a whole, technologically, economically and socially instead of crying discrimination to preserve the dying ephemeral privileges.

This is a good lesson to all of us Sri Lankans who wish for a prosperous and dignified motherland: whatever gained unjustly, at the expense of others, is ephemeral. None can be happy in an ocean of misery.


References:

1. Prof. K M de Silva, one time Vice-Chairman of the UGC, Sri Lanka
http://www.ices.lk/publications/esr/articles_jul97/Esr-kmdesilva.PDF

2. Professor CR de Silva / "The Politics of University Admissions: A Review of Some Aspects of University Admissions Policy in Sri Lanka, 1971-1978," Sri Lanka Journal of Social Sciences, Vol. I, No. 2 (1978).


{Authors Note2: This is the Version 0.2 of this document. You are whole heartedly invited to contribute to ameliorate this document so that we can present it to the global audience with serenity.}

parakum said...

Thusitha,
Whether we like or not I think JVP has a very significant role in the future build up of SL.If you put all the eggs in MR basket (eg two thirds majority)at the next general election,MR'll come under enormous Indian pressure to get whatever they like through change in the constitution with their economic grip.In fact it is for MR's own benefit if he has only a slight majority to evade Indian pressure citing that his govt would collapse.'Indianization' would be much more damaging to us losing our culture and language,dress etc than LTTE.We see our women ignorantly wearing Indian dress,hindi songs all over ,scholarships to students in Hindi and you could imagine down two three decades, the hole we 've fallen into.We all patriotic Sri Lankans should see a stable influential JVP or alike to strengthen the hands of MR and to preserve our dear Buddhist culture.The present LTTE menace would look like a miniature in the face of Indian jaggurenaut if do not tackle it properly.
Parakum

Peter said...

"At the gates of the grand finale of Eelam War IV"

I think DW is in Colombo.

Peter said...

JWick,

Where are you?

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Guys,

After eliminating LTTE completely as a terrorist organisation; SLG must collect evidences against countries like India and Norway as well as organisations NGO and INGO to expose there roles with LTTE, if there is any.

Then SLG should publish them to help other countries to understand what happened in SL and what our people have gone through. After all victors have the rights to write the history.

MathaMathica1 said...

parakum ,

Shouldn’t we drop also our alphabet which is exactly the same as that of Hindi ? Also how about dropping Buddhism because it is very much Indian ?

I’m pro nobody but Sri Lankan.

A society which does not evolve intelligently degenerates.

When the war is over, nations will flock to Sri Lanka which will become a commercial hub to deal with India. China wants SL to be their friend to commerce with Africa, middle east and India.

We must make our kids multi-lingual, Singhala, Tamil, Hindi, Chinese …. Better make our neurones work harder instead of trying to preserve something which will change anyway.

It is very much possible that SL will be the seat of the World Government in not too far into the future.

Remember : SABBE SANKARA ANICHCHATHI & so work hard diligently.

Amen.

Unknown said...

//Bhairav said...
Our former 711 cashier, GR, announced that the war will continue until LTTE is destroyed, now is no more of 48 hr, and 72 hr deadline to finish LTTE. These guessing game and speculation will continue until GR hits the dust.//

now what is your former Barber is saying from the hell?

you moda peelams were toilet cleaners and thats all u gona do forever...hahahaha

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Re: History of Sri Lanka and Tamil home land,

Read my Lanka Patriots article on

Origin of Sinhala and Myth of Tamil homeland

It is long, but I can post here if needed.

Nisal said...

Diaspora tax dollars at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdqtNjM1UyI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTxx4f7HSg

Unknown said...

gud day moda peelaams!!
hows is the grate peelam doing?

how many sq km s left???
or is it in sq meters now?
Haaaaaa.......... Haaaaaaaa,,,,

JWick said...

PE-TERRA-TNA,
I repeat.

Why do these Eelam Tamils call them “EEZAM TAMIZS”? Don’t they have “L” sound in their alphabet?
I know they don’t have “B” or “G” sounds but have they SEZF-GENOCIDED THE ZETTER FROM THEIR AZPHABET? Was it ordered by VEZUPIZZAI so that the eezam tamizs can compzain to the internationaz community?

I’zz be zogging in again zater for your repzy.

GutiKewa - ගුටි දෙනවා said...

DefenceWire,

It's great to see you updating the blog regularly. Thanks

Cheers

Gringo said...

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdqtNjM1UyI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTxx4f7HSg
]

It's pay back time for stupid Tamil Diaspora guilty of financing Tamil terrorists... now operating worldwide with different names... such as LTTE, WTF, CAT, MIA, TRO, and what not... but have killed 70,000 of our folks.

We, as proud Sri Lankans WILL NOT STOP... until each one of you, is brought to account, MADE TO PAY, and the 'books' are balanced.

Cry 24/7 at the feet of IC gods…. But, we'll surely get you.

kevin said...

Thusitha
Don’t talk nonsense about the JVP being a threat, please prove it if you can. They gave all the support for MR to come to power. One may not agree with them but they will not compromise the security of the island. They are a thorn in the flesh for some who are dishonest but to silence them is to the advantage of the crooked ones who may want to make a quick buck and get away from the island.

Moshe Dyan said...

thanks DW.

"Ground sources claim that the Tigers might attempt one massive attack tonight or early tomorrow morning. If this attack doesn't come, it could come soon after the Town is secured."

that's when our MBRLs will again spin into action.

LTTE will surely hide among civilians. but that cannot save them.

1. if they hide and attack SLDFs, they will get the return

2. if they don't attack and go to the IDP camps, they will be picked there.

so either way they are screwed PLUS even if they surrender there is only half chance of surviving!!

Sam Perera said...

Peter,

I am grateful for your contribution to defend our homeland against LTTE terrorists. I always considered to be a great Sri Lankan. However, i had no idea that you were this generous.

Hiranthe said...

Gringo said...
"Short term.... seek and fry the Tamil terrorists and their sponsors....

Long term... Srilankanize the entire North and East to the maximum, issue free land, beaches for the families of the troops. MOST EXTREME ACTION is necessary to send clear signals to all concerned.

While the Tamil terrorist coolies waste their time trying in vain to change historical facts of the country and licking foreign as*holes, let's get bust to gradually CHANGE THE GROUND SITUATION… !

There was never an opportunity for us to trample the bogus Tamil homeland concept for good.

Leaders... over to you. We need action... not talk."

I fully agree brother.

This must be done soon. Late D.S. Senanayake did settle people in these remote areas otherwise these areas must be still jungles.. Even Iranamadu tank was built during his time.

DW, Can you highlight this to what ever the evenue you have to the GOSL

Long live our war heroes.

Suffering death to killer Velu and Clan

Sam Perera said...

Peter,

As a gesture of gratitude for your contributions, I want to send some nice candies for your consumption at no cost to you. This candy is known to be very popular among our not so favorite LTTE members. What I heard is that you can go to Eelam straightaway if you eat it. Please try this candy today, it is free. Please send me your mailing address.

kevin said...

Really Cold
‘It is ironic they lacked a long term national vision.’
I fully agree, given time they might follow the Chinese example which has built a world class economy where US is seeking monetary favours.
Then who else got any vision for the island ?

Moshe Dyan said...

the chess master makes a move again!!

this a very good initiative to bust LTTE propoganda. it works in many ways.

1. it highlights LTTE's use of child soldiers when it is trying to get world sympathy

2. it forces LTTE to release child soldiers and suffer further manpower loss. it will be like a case of high desertion in SLA in 1999-2003

3. it can bring parents in IDP camps to the govt side

4. if the word spreads to LTTE areas, that can lead to a major commotion within and that will be the end of the LTTE

5. it can create a MASSIVE INTERNAL STRIFE IN MAHAVEER FAMILIES!!!!

well done MR. this campaign should be popularised as a priority propoganda campaign.

cc: mod

Davexyz1234 said...

2 concepts I saw an liked:

1. Tamil Apartied

Equating the Ealam struggle to Apartied and just calling it Tamil Apartied.

2. Starting a Simon Whiesnthaul type center in some Western city, i.e. LA with a large Sri Lankan population to highlight LTTE HR abuses.

These are format and words Westerners can understand and be bite sized that they can accept subconsciously.

Unknown said...

Well done SLA boys..
You are writing our great history again..

SanDisk said...

Peter.. hoooo hooooo... dan nam maara charter eka neda? kanawa kiyala mehemath kaamak...

Moshe Dyan said...

thusitha,

jvp was a piece of shitt in the distant past but they did a fantastic job when all the others were silent.

even MR didn't openly come out with many things ppl expected from him. then it was the jvp that took charge of matters. the sheer number of HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL protests they had!!!

they showed to the world that a large number of ppl didn't want the BS CFA.

at the 2005 PE, jvp did MORE than its share for MR when many SLFP organisers were sleeping with the enemy. the SLFP was divided, JHU was divided but JVP was not. i read somewhere that supporters of some prominant SLFP organisers had clashed with jvp organisers in the run up to the 2005 PE!!!!

again jvp fell into shit by not supporting the govt. but there is a good reason - corruption, abuse of power, etc.

IF jvp didn't oppose them unp would and they would get the benefit of MR's faults. that is now divided which is good for patriots.

MR should have a plan to promote the jvp at the expense of the unp.

Nisal said...

http://www.lakbima.lk/img/car-la.jpg

he he

Moshe Dyan said...

dave,

i have seen something like ". Tamil Apartied" somewhere. so it is already out there. but don't think the word "tamil" was there.

yes it is a good approach.

Unknown said...

World ever lagest tactical withdrowal is about to end in Sri Lanka.

Unknown said...

hey, mile counting monky.. how meny miles now?

Saman said...

Mathamatica,

bro, good writeup.

SujeewaK,

bro, will read your article tonight.

Sam Perera said...
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kevin said...

Moshe Dayan

IF jvp didn't oppose them unp would and they would get the benefit of MR's faults. that is now divided which is good for patriots.

MR should have a plan to promote the jvp at the expense of the unp.

Well said, we may not agree with their style of government but they were not corruptible, it’s a old hat to mention their past record but their present behaviour that matters. I think they gave up their ministries on principal of good governance that strikes a cord with us the patriots who will not condone corruption bad governance and stupidity, which ever quarter that come from.

ඉයන් said...

Just to check how much Sri lanka are we.

Once the LTTE is defeated to celebate, whether we should

(a) declare 3 days of national holidays

OR

(b) working population agree to sacrifice 3 holidays and work as a celebration.

what say you?

Sam Perera said...

Scum of Sri Lanka

Highlight of the day

Wickramabahu Karunaratne.

This monkey has no democratic base in Sri Lanka. Therefore it is not possible to defeat him politically. He is already defeated. The next step may be to take legal actions against him for treacherous acts against the people of Sri Lanka. May be we have to confiscate what ever the Wallawwa he owns in Kandy and turn it to a vacation home for war heroes and their descendants.


Ranil Wickramasinghe
Lakshman Kiriella
Ravi Karunanayake
Vajira Abeygunawardena
Jayalath Jayawardena
Mangala Samaraweera
Rauf Hakeem
Wickramabahu Karunaratne
Kumar Rupasinghe
Jehan Perera
Sunanda Deshapriya
Sunila Abegunasekara
Mano Ganeshan
R Sampanthan
K Sivajilingam
G.K. Ponnambalam
other TNA sakkiliyas
Duleep Chikera
Pakyasothi Saravanamuttu
Rohan Edirisinghe
Mithra Fernando
Tisaranee Gunasekera
Priyath Liyanage
Rayappu Joseph
Rosy Senanayake
Sonali Samarasinghe
Nimalka Fernando
Sirithinga Jayasuriya
Dayasiri Jayasekara
Iqbal Athas
Lal Kantha
Anura Kumara
Malik Samarawickrama
Lalith Kothalawala
S.B. Dissanayake
Brian Seneviratne
Sisira Wijesooriya

Unknown said...

ok moda peelam (ezzaam or peezam, what ever the shit) war is OVER now. no more lttp.
no get ready to live like sivilized human beings..

Unknown said...

sam perera

add Karu jayasuriya too

Unknown said...

and kulasiri udugampola

Unknown said...

and lalith kothalawala

capital maharaja

all the sirasa /MTV crew

Sam Perera said...

Ron,

Kulasiri Udugampola and his brothers are traitors of Mother Lanka. You know what the traitors deserve. Such names got to be in Attorney General's office to take immediate actions.

Thusitha said...

Moshe Dyan said...
thusitha,

jvp was a piece of shitt in the distant past but they did a fantastic job when all the others were silent.

------
O.k. Moshe,
For some reason I felt like JVP was sypathetic towards LTTE course. I most probably read wrong articles and associate with JVP. My mistake. As long as patriots feel like they would not take us another 10 years back, and they are in the democratic process, I don't care. I have zero interest politics. We need nation builiding and only people we need are the people who puts the country first than their political ambitions.

ඉයන් said...

Dear Sam & Ron

I am a UNPer and a pure bread Sri Lankan sinhalese. We too cheer the sucesses of MR, GR, SF and all members of the armed forces. It is because these gentlemen are fighting to save my motherland.

Been UNPeers I do not condone certain acts of UNP governmemnts that helped LTTE. at the same time I condone the work of DS Senanayake who foresaw this threat long time ago and handled 50:50 issue and started settlements, the work of Premadasa and JRJ. In fact JRJ would have finished LTTE in 1987 if not for the Parippu Gandhi.

Lets not try to create divisions among sinhalese among the party lines. Let us oppose all internal/external forces that are acting in detriment to our motherland let them be US democrats, SL UNP, or SL SLFP.

I am many of my UNP friends believe that we should even vote for MR in the next presidential election. Not because we agree with all his economic and other polcies, its because thats the least we could do for this great Sri Lankan leader who managed to defeat LTTE and its IC backers.

Saman said...

Moshe,

Hat off for you telling the truth about JVP mate. I can specifically point three major contributions,

1. MR would not be in power if not for JVP’s judgment to back him. CBK did not even attended MR’s presidential rallies. What did that mean; she was the last link of Bandaranaike. Until MR wanted the reign Bandaranaikes had a monopoly in post-independent SL. There was speculation CBK preferred Ranil to MR. (i.e. no backing from SLFP traditionalists)

2. JVP is the only group which objectively analyzed (I don’t think anyone can beat them even today) – 1987 Indo-Lanka agreement. Fucked up 2002 CFA with Norway was only a reincarnation and manifestation of Indo-Lanka accord objectives. JVP was informed and politically agile enough - and almost timed to perfection – for the call of North and East separation through SC. All the rest were sleeping. Why I say - perfect timing? That alone put a spanner in to Norwegian-LTTE master plan to derail – a blue print to a separate state.
3. Evan when they were out and the biggest critic of MR’s government, they had the resolve not to vote against a crucial budget.

I fully agree with you, although they are a spent force now, that they should be nurtured to be the 2nd force in the country.

Let me bet my last buck - if UN or any other MF tries to intervene in this crucial hour – it would be them who would become our reactionary force too. I am of the view that our crack special commandos and they would provide the backbone of a patriotic reactionary army, where who ever steps in would feel just like another Vietnam.

As you correctly said, they have done a lot of crap but credit must remains where it deserves.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Sam Perera,

Dr. Wickramabahu Karunaratne is academic, he holds a PhD on electrical engineering. He had a good carrier at engineering faculty, Peradeniya campus and was a director at Milk Board. If he has not gone to politics and trade union works, he would have been a very senior professor now. Unfortunately for Sri Lanka JRJ has thrown him out of the university carrier by suspending him and later terminating his carrier. Fault is more with Wicky than the JRJ. I also did not agree with his school of thoughts and used to argue with him more often.

However, I have my respect to Wicky as a good lecturer and he did teach us mathematics in my first two years at the university. I also understand he did a bad judgemental error by criticising government and siding with murderous terrorist grope known as LTTE.

After all we live in a democracy where every one is entitle for his/her opinion whether it is right or wrong according another person. We may call him a terrorist supporter or traitor. However, I will not recommend bodily harm or property confiscation for expressing what he/she thought correct.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Saman,

Bro, I agree with you there about JVP. At least most of them are honest and free of corruption.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Moshe,

We should use MBRL and mortars aimed at area from Chalai to Palamattalam. Facilitating 55 to go near the edge of no fire zone. Also the 58 can clear area east to the above.

Moshe Dyan said...

thusitha,

"we need people who put the country first than their political ambitions"

100% agree.

to ensure that i recon we should change the constitution ACCORDINGLY to get quality ppl up there and filter out the fellows with business plans, personal agendas, LTTE agendas.

it must be a VERY comlpex constitution to filtre out all these undesirables.

depending too much on persons than systems is a strategy bound to fail.

unfortunately it is true that you CAN stop a good man by killing him. his fellowers and his wife are just not the same.

i hope the constitution change that is on the cards will be to,

1. filtre out shit from the political system

2. filtre out traitors/seperatists/terrorists

3. strenghtens unitary status, territorial integrity, sovereignty, economy, good governance, transparency, ethnic integration

Anonymous said...

Lakbima reports SLA saying Poddu Amman heard in the battle field for the first time.

Its only Mahen and SF@LNP said Poddu surrendered (at the same day.)

Saman said...

Ian,

By the sounds of it you are a good UNPer and a patriot. No problems with that.

However, i do not agree with,

/In fact JRJ would have finished LTTE in 1987 if not for the Parippu Gandhi./

That is BS. The truth is, it is JR who - illang parripu kawwe Sri lankans lata. Eya kawe na apita kawwa.

Don't take me wrong - I have never put my vote to any MF politicians in any party. As I valued my time. I would rather walk my dog than stay in a que to vote such MFs.

But as you are, I will use my vote for MR not only this time but for the rest of my life if he gets this act right. Because I fear current UNP mob will give this country back to seperatists.

Unknown said...

More Punakku from Bloomberg which is a Pro LTTE website. They like LBO need to be finished. Why do you think the LTTE pulled back so fast. Is it because you army was superior. Dumb and Dumber or defencenet and defencewire should continue their stories till Sri Lanka collapses. DEFENCEWIRE INSTEAD OF TELLING THE TRUTHS ON THE WAR WHY DONT YOU TELL THE TRUTHS IN THE ECONOMY.


Sri Lanka May Need Bailout as War Debt, Currency Drain Reserves
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By Cherian Thomas

Feb. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Sri Lanka may need a bailout from international donors to help pay its debts as the island’s 26- year civil war draws to a close.

Since August, the South Asian nation has spent half its foreign reserves, now $1.7 billion, on supporting its currency, paying debt and buying imports. That doesn’t leave much after the government shells out another $900 million due in 2009. The reserves aren’t getting replenished as the ailing world economy pummels exports and overseas investors flee emerging markets.

President Mahinda Rajapaksa’s government is unwilling to turn to the International Monetary Fund, which requires austerity measures in return for loans. Securing financing from other countries may be challenging for a nation whose credit rating from Standard & Poor’s is the lowest apart from those of Bolivia, Pakistan, Grenada, Argentina and Lebanon.

“Sri Lankan authorities have to act fast to beef up the country’s reserves,” said Ashok Parameswaran, senior emerging markets analyst at Invesco Inc. in New York. “Otherwise, they may have to devalue their currency significantly.”

Since December, countries including Russia, Vietnam and Kazakhstan have weakened their currencies rather than use reserves to prop them up. That has made imports costlier, reducing demand for goods from overseas.

Neighboring Currencies

Sri Lanka kept its exchange rate at about 108 rupees per dollar between January and October 2008 to slow inflation, even as the currencies of neighboring India and Pakistan weakened. The Sri Lankan rupee has since dropped to 114.95.

“Sri Lanka has relaxed the rupee in stops and starts, but they need a controlled devaluation,” said Agost Benard, a Singapore-based sovereign analyst at S&P. “The implicit currency peg will have to change and that’s one of the long-term solutions to the nation’s foreign-exchange problems.”

S&P cut Sri Lanka’s rating by one level in December to B, five steps below investment grade. Fitch Ratings has a B+ for the nation, which is four levels below investment grade and unchanged since April 2008.

Sri Lanka is banking on currency swaps with central banks, sales of treasury bills and bonds and offering higher interest rates on deposits to citizens living abroad to boost reserves.

Once the northern region of the country is recovered from the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, peace will lead to more remittances and aid for construction of houses, schools and hospitals, said P. Nandalal Weerasinghe, chief economist at the Central Bank of Sri Lanka. This will provide “some balance of payments support,” he said.

Tamil Tigers

The Tamil Tigers, who have been fighting for a separate homeland, have retreated from most of the northern part of the island nation. They now control a pocket of only 87 square kilometers (34 square miles) in the Mullaitivu region in the northeast, the Sri Lankan Defense Ministry said Feb. 22.

John Keells Holdings Plc, Sri Lanka’s biggest diversified company, last week doubled its stake in Union Assurance Plc, a local insurer, to 74 percent. The company said it’s anticipating that the liberation of Tamil Tigers-occupied territories will spur demand for finance and insurance.

To be sure, the dispute hasn’t ended yet.

“Although there is the possibility of outright military defeat of the Tamil Tigers, a potentially different style and lower-intensity conflict will continue to pose a risk to growth prospects and public finances,” S&P’s Benard said.

Still Raiding

Tamil Tigers launched an air raid in the Sri Lankan capital, Colombo, on Feb. 20. Their two aircraft were shot down, one crashing into a building housing the Inland Revenue Department and the second north of the city.

At the end of November, Sri Lanka had 1.4 trillion rupees ($12 billion) of foreign debt outstanding. Its total debt is 3.4 trillion rupees, or 75 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product, according to S&P.

Liabilities increased as Sri Lanka, which spends a fifth of its annual budget on defense, borrowed from local and foreign sources to build roads and ports, among other spending. The nation’s budget deficit has averaged 8.7 percent of GDP in the past decade.

Sri Lanka must reduce reliance on dollar-denominated short- term commercial borrowings to ease public debt “distress,” the IMF said in October. It called on the government to weaken the rupee as part of a “comprehensive policy package that would underpin confidence in the currency.”

The central bank said Jan. 19 that it will neither let the currency fall nor approach the IMF for a bailout to pay for imports and repay its debt.

On Feb. 19 Governor Nivard Cabraal said the central bank received $200 million from Malaysia, declining to reveal the terms of the deal or whether it was a swap or any other facility with Bank Negara Malaysia. Bank Negara didn’t respond to an e- mail sent by Bloomberg News for comment.

“It’s unlikely that Sri Lanka will go to the IMF for funds,” said Dushni Weerakoon, deputy director of the Institute of Policy Studies in Colombo. “At whatever cost, they will try to raise small sums from other countries.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Cherian Thomas in New Delhi at Cthomas1@bloomberg.net

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Saman,

Bro, I do not agree with your last post to Ian. JRJ and Athulathmudali did a good job at Wadamarachchi cornering the bastard beautifully. If India (Rajiv) did not interfere with SLG at that time LTTE could have been wiped out.

JRJ’s mistake was not seeing it before hand and worked with India to eradicate LTTE. Even that was very difficult at the time. However, JRJ and UNP was not treacherous during latter 70s and early 80s but Premadasa did the damage by sending off IPKF and giving arms to LTTE.

Unknown said...

Vickramabahu Karunaratne

Look a Sri Lankan deciding the futulity of the war. Guess you will get him excuted.

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=28540

Stop war, negotiate interim government for Tamils: Fourth International

This Land Is Our Land said...

Greetings All,

I am a long time reader first time writer for this blog.

Now that there is a possibility that the Terras might blend into the IDP community as civilians, it is the best time for analysing the propaganda videos that the LTTE produced for propaganda. The MI should have pictures of suspects at processing centres and ensure they are either sent for rehabilitation or arrested.

Moshe Dyan said...

kasthuri,

yes that is happening i guess. DW report was mainly on PTK and surrounds.

59 should "tactically withdraw" from the land mass north of mula to mula and call it the "new no fire zone" and let ppl come there.

fire a few arti south of palamnttalam to motivate them!!

LTTE cannot relocate its stuff and bunkers.

cut off the present no fire zone north of the lagoon and roast the remaining tigers. open the existing road from the newly declared safe zone to mula (mula IS A BIG TOWN with many facilities) for ppl to come.

i like the govt's strategic moves of always keeping the NO FIRE ZONE (=CIVILIANS) away as much as possible from LTTE'S (EVER CHANGING) CAPITAL.

this way we can (as far as possible) save civilians. at least on paper.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Saman,

On the same topic:

I would say even MR, GR and SF could not have done this during early 80s when Rajive was supporting LTTE.

Bhairav said...

[Sri Lanka is going to collapse and everyone of you is having a front row ticket.]

One more air strike at the economic heart land of SL will do the trick.

Widana said...

sohodarayani, ada Toilet Net eke article ekata prakashayak karala thiyana mahacharya thumata lipi liyanna puluwan me lipinayata, fboyle@illinois.edu . Me wage modayo lankawe wena dewal gana danne nathuwa prakasha idiripath karanawa, oo langa mokek hari kotiyek wada karanawa athi.

Moshe Dyan said...

saman & kasthuri,

we should analyse the events of april-july 1987 closely.

there are MANY contradictions.

1. we thought LTTE was cornered
2. JRJ said a different (sad) story on tv
3. LTTE leader was not there in wadamarachchi
4. india dropped lentils and rice, not weapons

any info source???

Bhairav said...

These Sinhalese arseholes will never change. With the increasing military victories, their hawkish attitude also went over the moon as they simply think that Tamils have no grievances and etcetera. Look at the newly formed sorrylanka_pathetic_club by senior citizen likes of Ananda_USA and Mathumatic to legitimize Sri Lanka for Sinhalese only attitude.

Saman said...

Dear Sam,

Please don't kill Wickramabahu.

His head is wrongly wired. That's all. No one listen to him any way. His sin is, being a mathematician, he spends more time on politics than maths. He is also suffering from a condition where - “oppose the governance right or wrong”. Specialists say this happens when one’s childhood is shaped by strict parenting. I am not a specialist in this area but please don't kill him.

ඉයන් said...

Its a myth to believe that Sri Lankan economy will collapse due to the war. If LTTE is defeated the development activity in the north and east will create many jobs and attract many foriegn invstments to Sri Lanka.

The investment flow will support the rupee, and the creation of jobs will create a demand for more goods. Demand for more goods means more jobs.

Also if the dollar (foreign curency flow) is good with the FDIs we dont have to depend on IMF/WB.

So dont be mislead by western propaganda that sri Lankan economy will collapse due to this war. They are basing it on a long protracted war without a chance of an investment boom in the short term.

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Saman said...

Kathsuri,

/I would say even MR, GR and SF could not have done this during early 80s when Rajive was supporting LTTE./

Well, we have to analyse why Rajive has continued helping LTTE (what his mother has started). Yes? I sincerely feel India has been a good neighbor to us until we rub India on the wrong side. We must realise that we belonged to non-align group during cold war era which was pro Russia, of course. Where, Indira, Castro, Bhutho, Tito, Sirima were key figures. Between 70-80 a lot happened in Soth Asian region for Indira to get upset about. After Bhutho’s demise Pakistan became pro USA, after Sirimavo’s demise Sri Lanka (under JRJ) went the same way. India had good reasons to be upset about. And, sure they responded in kind.

I feel we as a small country must be very careful with our international policy and must get is spot on for survival. That is nothing to shame about. Small guys need lot of good fiends near a bully (I mean simple school yard stuff).

I feel MR would not have allowed what JRJ have envisioned. GR/SF does not even come to the frame as, in that situation; there was no war to fight. And no sensible country would have delivered PARRIPU by air freight.

What do you think?

Sam Perera said...

Saman and Kasthuri,

Absolutely, no physical harm to any of these monkeys at all, not even a scratch. What I am talking about is ideological defeat of these monkeys and their anti-Sri Lankan politics. Please read little into the link I gave today to see how anti Sri Lanak this man is. It is a real shame to see his motion against us, specifically to give away a Tamil Eelam to LTTE, not even Tamils (check that scanned document).

ඉයන් said...

Dear Saman

I kind of agree with you on JRJ invited trouble. But please also consider this.

In 1968 JRJ as the Finance Minister wanted to open the economy following the Singapore (who adopted similar polices in 1965). Had we opened the economy we would have been second or third tiger (no reference to LTTE) economy before Malaysia, Taiwan, and Thailand etc. Dudley S and his supporters in the UNP working committee defeated the idea.

In 1970 UNP won the popular vote but lost the election on first past the post system. Sirima B ruled until 77 adding two years to her rule. JRJ had to wait until 77 to open the economy.

When he started , RAW of India didn’t want a Singapore at their door step when they were a socialist economy. (India became open market in 1990). Hence RAW created or funded and trained LTTE, EROS, EPRLF, PLOTE etc. to destabilize the economy. LTTE however managed to hijack the Tamil Nationalist plans that were shifted to Sri Lanka after Nehru managed to change the constitution (after Indo-China war in 1961) effectively blocking the way of a Tamil nation in India.

JRJ further antagonized the already anti-JRJ India, by Voice of America Deal, Tricomalee tank farm matter. His handling of Sirima B (civic rights matter), and inviting Janatha Dal prime minister to the 1978 National day etc. didn’t go well with the Indira G either. So it was Indira G, backed by RAW created the issue, purely to destabilize Sri Lanka economy (RAW's intention) to destabilize JRJ (Gandhi intention). If you read the indo-lanka peace accord you will see that almost all conditions were things such as Sri Lankan land not used against India and no major areas covering Tamils (except NE merger). This is why VP went against Rajiv as he thought Rajiv used LTTE to get what India wanted.

JRJ had genuine intentions and belief that Sri Lanka can be developed based on the FDI's that were coming to Asia in the 60's to 80's. His theory was creating jobs will solve all the problems. (In fact it does).

By trying to do that he unintentionally contributed to the problem we have today. Hence I kind of agree with Saman JRJ "illan kewa". But JRJ meant well. Also as kasturi said he and Athulathmudali almost killed the fat pig (the story is that in Vdamarachchi operation then Brig. Kobbekaduwa’s advance was delayed due to a sniper fire killing a SLA major, and fat pig managed to escape that night and RAW evacuated him- quoted by a LTTE senior during peace talks with Premadasa time)

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Moshe,

I was working for SLG from 1977 to 1991 and have a fair idea about events with LTTE during that time.

Initially prior to 1983 anti Tamil riots, there were many Tamil militant groups in Jaffna. TELO, PLOTE and EPRLF were prominent and LTTE had a cadre of only 6 founding members which grew to 26 by 1983 July. Immediately after 83 July riots LTTE strength grew up to around 1500. Then they started killing policemen and robbing banks. LTTE started killing rival militants as well as started infiltrating tuition classes and educational institutes for more recruits. They were successful and Amirthalingam’s TULF supported them calling them our boys. There was no Indian involvement prior to 83 riots.

However, between 83 and 87 somewhere Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) got involved with giving those weapons, explosives and money. When Wadamarachchi war started in 1987 India had a trouble of vast number of Jaffna Tamil refugees. RAW also advised Indian government to intervene with SL war.

When Wadamarachchi war was at the critical junction India asks SLG to stop offensives on RAW advice. However Athulathmudali was adamant and offensives continued. Then India sent a flotilla (large contingent of boats) with food and medicine to Jaffna. This was turned back by our naval force. With That Indian air force relocated large air force battalion with attack crafts and hardware to south India and dropped food parcels as a warning. Indian government kept IAF ready to launch attack to take over Colombo. Their Naval forces were ready come and take over Colombo. That is how JRJ was forced to sign so called Indo-SL accord and IPKF came to SL. Notable incident was one navy sailor guy try to kill Rajive using his riffle butt but we were lucky it landed on Rajiv’s shoulder.

Afterward India started collecting weapons from LTTE. LTTE initially collaborated with IPKF but later started fighting with them. I think you know the rest.

This is my recollection of the events and may be wrong with minor details but not with major events.

ඉයන් said...

Corey I watched the youtube vedio of your son singing the Ratnadeepa Janma Boomi. It was great. Good Luck to him. Sorry I could not leave a msg there as I am not regsitered with youtube.

Saman said...

Moshe,

Interesting four Qs. I was in the country when this happened.

/1. we thought LTTE was cornered/

I was under the impression this was well documented (not a thought). Many press releases to that effect could be found if we go to archives during that period.

2. JRJ said a different (sad) story on tv

I can't recall the TV story. can you make it bit clear for me what you mean by "sad".

3. LTTE leader was not there in wadamarachchi.

Well, I am sure this was reported in Sri lankan and international media. I think Lalith Athulathmudali made a statement to this effect before parippu dropping. The media atmosphere was very similar to now. They are cornered, only few days to go etc., We may be able to find some references.

4. india dropped lentils and rice, not weapons

Yes, but that was only an entree. Battle ships wer positioned strategically (I think one made a visit to colombo), it was reported 200,000 army has been re-deployed to Tamil Nadu from north for quick response. Following back ground indicates - India was not addressing a Parrippu and rice shortage but a recorded direct threat to GoSL.

"This was both as a result of a large Tamil community in South India, as well as India's Regional security and interests which attempted to reduce the scope of foreign intervention, especially those linked to the United States, Pakistan, and China.[9] To this end, the Indira Gandhi Government sought to make it clear to the Sri Lankan President, Jayewardene that armed intervention in support of the Tamil movement was an option India would consider if any diplomatic solutions should fail.[9]" - Wikipedia

Sam Perera said...

Corey,

Your kid is singing my national anthem. I hope that he will grow up to be a great man.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Saman,

You are correct partially Sirima was on power till mid 77. JRJ took over, as I remember june 77 by that time prbhakaran has killed Jaffna mayor and many Tamil policemens.

JRJ’s mistake was, he believed that USA will help if India tries to interfere. USA did not raise even a finger and asked SLG to deal with India. Later they admitted that India is bigger market for them and too valuable to cross.

USA and Western world let down us badly there.

kalu kotiya said...

ela kiri patriots, mamath dekka wicky paraya kiyala thibba de. paksha beda tha erala owunta maubimata paya gahannawath denna hoda ne.

kalu kotiya said...

I was a hardcore UNPier, but country first. Though I don't agree with his economic policies, corruption I am for MR, my hero.
Sorry guys, this is my second post. I read all your comments, but I really wanted to contribute my self.

Unknown said...

thanks for ur comments Ian.

all of the traitors in the list are opportunistic MF'kers. they wud even sell their mom for that.

I beleive, no matter to what extent we get devided, we shud get rid of those basterds. as soon as we finish Lttp.

Saman said...

Moshe, Kathsuri,

By that time LTTE was the most influential and fast grawing group. LTTE did not agree to disarm and not a party to Rajive-Tamil militant group agreement. Therfore not a party to Indo-Sri Lanka accord. When others disarm, (LTTE did symbolically if I am not wrong)they turn their guns to other militants and became the sole representative. That how LTTE earned their reputation among the die-ass-pora as the most strategilaly strong single minded fighters of their course. That is the only respect I have for LTTE dogs.

hemantha said...

"Some US lawmakers are making a song and dance about the humanitarian situation in the North of Sri Lanka, where a war on terror is being fought. Is the US really concerned about the human cost of war? One may find the answer in a comment a US Secretary of State (Madeleine Albright) made in 1996 in an interview with CBS television on the Iraqi invasion:

Interviewer (Lesley Stahl): "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Albright: I"I think this is a very hard choice, but the price, we think is worth it."

So much for America's concern for civilians caught in a war! (President Lincoln, whose ruthless military campaign to prevent America's disintegration left over 600,000 people dead, became a national hero!)"

click here.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Guys,

The most important thing is LTTE got massive support from youths to build its man power strength, creation of Diaspora, Indian support and international recognition were thanks to 83 riots.

I remember, Our Hon. Wijayapala master mentioning this number of times in the same blog.

BTW, anybody knows, what happened to Wijayapala?

Moshe Dyan said...

kasthuri and saman,

with you 100% on these events.

but the issue is were the LTTE really cornered (in 1987)???? was vezapillai trapped???

i have real doubts about this. (no disrespect to LA)

ok, saman. to elaborate.....

JRJ had APPARENTLY stated (not my experience) that LTTE was blocking SLA evacuations, wounded soldiers cannot come home. LTTE is pointing AA guns at our helicopters.

Sari Mudara said...

Many seem to have forgotten that without JVP, MR couldnt have become the president. During presidential election, many within the SLFP (Anura and CBK) worked against MR. It was JVP who propped up MR's campaign in many aspects. They contributed huge sum of money as well as volunteers. However, I did not like the fact that they did not take part in the subsequent govt. As a result JVP broke into two. But, patriots should never forget that we are here today thanks to none other than JVP.

kalu kotiya said...

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=41813

would be interesting.

Sam Perera said...

Ian,

The scum of Sri Lanka is based on their past action, not on party basis at all. Our nation should be reminded of their acts of treachery often to make sure that they don't have a future in Sri Lanka other that the garbage bins of history reserved for nameless traitors. As far as UNP goes, we shall do all we can to give the reins to patriots within the party. It is very unhealthy for a country to not to have a good and balanced opposition. Things could not have come this far if LTTE was not successful in killing Gamini and Lalith.

Moshe Dyan said...

kasthuri,

mate, to continue our discussion from a patriotic pov, IN MY VIEW, we should keep w-pala away.

කස්තුරි..Kasthuri said...

Moshe,

You best resources are old writings by DBS Jeyaraj. I remember reading some thing closer to what you sought. One of the LTTE top guys, those days was a tiger called mahaththaya. He was so close to VP and later VP killed him for collaborating with RAW against VP.

There was new report compiled by DBSJ that mahaththaya took VP out of Wadamarachchi before forced cease fire. I am not sure whether it is correct or not.

If I can find it, I will post it here. However, official account is VP was there stranded.

මොරටු සමන් - MoratuSaman said...

Time to blow the Maaveera shield...SLA,SLAF - Keep that MBRL and Rupasingha Motars hand.

Diasporas may join with pussycats, but hurry up...book your flight, tonight.

lets roll

Moshe Dyan said...

kasthuri,

thanks heaps. that looks like a good lead.

july 1987 is a very BIG puzzle.

also a LTTE activist showed me pix of a massive LTTE rally in jaffna in july 1987 WHILE the op. liberation was on. some holding anti-US slogans (in english)!!!

according to her, vezapillai was there too. but no pix!!!

guys, this is worth digging especially at this moment.

Sam Perera said...

Patriots,

Do we have any news fro Puthu? I hope that our brave hearts will kill all terrorists and comeback unscathed. My thoughts are with them in this moment.

Saman said...

Ian,

Good record of memory my friend. I agree everything there. I enjoyed reading you. We have debated in detail some time ago the reasons for Tamil separatism, how and why it has started. Hopefully you were not around that time. Theory on India’s interest is to economically de-stabilise us because of the open-economic policies of JRJ, has lack of reference. I heard this before in discussions (mainly from my die-heard UNP friends) but rarely found written references by independent analysts on this aspect. I am not saying it is not a factor. It could well have been. But India has no reason to start a costly war (IPKF 2 years cost them dearly) on a fear of trade deficit with SL. There is no precedence to suggest India has ever done it to neighbors. RAW’s involvement also points toward a security and internal instability concern more so than economic interest. In fact, India achieves that more so in a peaceful Sri Lanka than otherwise and our trade balance would never bother India.

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KB said...

Die-Ass-Pora terrorists have lost their marbles seeing all the money they earned from janitorial duty and refugee dole donated to SLA in the form of 130mm artillery.

Way to go, SLA chaps. The morbidly obese terrorist leader needs to change his underwear every few minutes now. He can hear the grim reaper thumping on his bunker door.

Cheers!

Unknown said...

Another Punnaku that Defencewire will not publish

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=3440&cat=field-news&ref=home-center
Sri Lanka: Desperate and Unacceptable Situation for Trapped Population
February 26, 2009
Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is urgently calling on both parties in the conflict in the Vanni area in northern Sri Lanka to ensure the safety of civilians and to allow access to humanitarian assistance. MSF teams are still unable to enter the Vanni to evaluate the needs of the affected population and provide urgently needed medical care. Together with other international organizations, MSF has been denied access since September 2008.

In neighboring Vavuniya, located outside the conflict zone, MSF medical teams are working with hospital staff around the clock. Ninety percent of the injuries seen are a direct result of the fighting. People are being brought to hospitals with gunshot and shrapnel wounds. In the past two weeks, MSF has performed over 300 operations on patients who were directly wounded in the conflict and it appears this number is just the tip of the iceberg.

An estimated 200,000 Sri Lankans living under desperate conditions are still trapped in the conflict zone in Sri Lanka’s north. Patients tell MSF how people are being shelled for days on end, with the dead and wounded surrounding them. There is a severe lack of medical care and not enough food and drinking water.

The stories shared with MSF by those who have managed to escape make painfully clear the desperate situation inside the Vanni. People have been trapped in active conflict for weeks, hiding in bunkers they have dug themselves.

A few weeks ago, for the first time in months, a significant number of civilians began emerging from the Vanni. There are now a reported 35,000 people who have managed to reach Vavuniya. They are tired, hungry, and frightened, and have no information about their family members who did not manage to escape the conflict zone. Many are injured, some with infected wounds that are weeks old. As a result, many people have been maimed for life. Even those who have made it to Vavuniya have no freedom of movement, no access to information, and no options to look for lost family members.

Only a minority of the people trapped inside the Vanni have succeeded in crossing the front line to safer territory. Most remain caught between the warring parties.

An additional 2,000 sick and wounded people have been transferred from the Vanni to Trincomalee by boat by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). Despite the authorities’ efforts, the medical management of wounded people who were evacuated is becoming a major challenge. While hospitals in Trincomalee and surrounding areas were initially able to cope with the influx of wounded, some are now reaching full capacity and are in need of additional space, as well as medicine and medical materials. MSF visited several hospitals following the arrival of the first medical evacuations and is in contact with local health authorities in order to identify support that can be provided to the hospitals.

As MSF has been denied access to the population trapped inside the Vanni, the organization is relying on the personal accounts of patients to highlight what is happening there.

One 53-year-old woman told MSF staff how her family spent days in a bunker without food and water. Out of desperation, and despite the shelling, they left their bunker to get some food when three out of her 15 family members were killed on the spot. Her daughter was seriously wounded by shrapnel and is now in Vavuniya Hospital. Some of her relatives had to stay behind in the Vanni. She does not know whether they are still alive. This is only one example and many any people tell a similar story.

Related: Sri Lanka

Unknown said...

sujeewa,
commented on your article. please reply

Brave1 said...

Kasturi & Saman,

"However, JRJ and UNP was not treacherous during latter 70s and early 80s but Premadasa did the damage by sending off IPKF and giving arms to LTTE."

I would say....RP did a fantastic move by supporting LTTE and sending of IPKF.....of all the parties...India is our enemy number 1. Let me add two things to this.

1. If not for India we wont have this war! The 1987 Indina show was Indian struggle to force their direction on Tamil Liberation movement. That was the time LTTe was slowly broad basing their support base and become less depended on India. Why they came here was to eliminate LTTE (thats why they so readily when after LTTE)and impose Idian model of solution on Tamils. I don;t beleive Indian wants us to give any thing closer to what they have given to Tamils in TN. So if this is the case...why shouldn;t we beleive the our enemy number 1 is India (at least at that time)and if so getting India out of SL is an important thing...lot important than getting rid of LTTE.

2. Our concern of those days was that India will be here to stay. On the other hand they did somehting similar to a state called "Shikim" in northern India...they just went in Walloped it up..just like that and no one took a notice. And those day because of the Tamil propaganda no one would have come strongly against India. On the other hand if India wanted to interpret PEACE ACCORD the way they wanted do u think we could have done any thing about it when IPKF is on our shore. No way. I hope you remember having three Indian warships just outside our harbor and Indian jawans roaming wherever they wanted even outside of N & E.

If you look at this scenario...I believe RP did a fantastic thing. And I don;t think any body else would have done that and no body other than RP could do such a overly treacherous (i admit that) but covertly very very patriotic thing.

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Unknown said...

All the guys out there, the flood gates are going to burst soon. Rupee is collapsing. I want to see the so called dispora patriots are going to save themselves our throw their money into the sinkhole.

Friday, February 27, 2009

1 US Dollar = 115.287 Sri Lanka Rupee

1 Sri Lanka Rupee (LKR) = 0.008674 US Dollar (USD)

Interbank rate +/- 0%

This means:
You buy 1 US Dollar : 115.287 Sri Lanka Rupee
You sell 1 US Dollar : 115.002 Sri Lanka Rupee
You buy 1 Sri Lanka Rupee : 0.008674 US Dollar
You sell 1 Sri Lanka Rupee : 0.008695 US Dollar

Median price = 115.002 / 115.287 (bid/ask)
Minimum price = 114.480 / 114.925
Maximum price = 115.375 / 115.610

Ra said...

First there were Tamizh without borders...
then came Reporters without borders ...
Then Doctors without borders..


what next?

Whores without borders?

Ra said...

Navindran,

Rupee depreciated against dollar.. SO whats your point?

Seems this is something you are eagerly awaiting to happen. Why?

Karunabudhi said...

2010 O/L bonus question

If anyone knows the answer post it here.

question: What is the smallest country in the world?

Karunabudhi said...

I'll post the answer to my question.

Answer: Eelam
Total area: 0 sq. km

Push said...

@Navindran

What is the Exchange rate of LTTP $?

1 LTTP $=.000000000000000000000001 Zimbabwe $

Wake up from the dreams. Accept the unavoidable truth

Karu said...

Navindran, This is for your information


Friday, February 27, 2009
1 Sri Lanka Rupee = 0.006094 British Pound
1 British Pound (GBP) = 164.095 Sri Lanka Rupee (LKR)
Median price = 0.006077 / 0.006094 (bid/ask)
Estimated price based on daily US dollar rates.


Wednesday, February 27, 2008
1 Sri Lanka Rupee = 0.004713 British Pound
1 British Pound (GBP) = 212.189 Sri Lanka Rupee (LKR)
Median price = 0.004701 / 0.004713 (bid/ask)
Estimated price based on daily US dollar rates.

kalu kotiya said...

karunabudhi,
You are wrong. It's not Eelam, it's Eezam.

kalu kotiya said...

Genocide MF even don't have a name for their dreamland.

kalu kotiya said...

DW,
any idea about expected counter attack?

Brave1 said...

Last Mile said...

"First there were Tamizh without borders...
then came Reporters without borders ...
Then Doctors without borders..


what next?"

Lol... and I know what is next..

Prostitutes without Borders

in fact all above are whores without shame.

If you look at how they came up you'll realize that in fact hey are a group who went against their commitments. I think they were involved in IRCR activities in BAIFRA (in East African country. is it Nigeira) where Christian enclave wanted independence and Nigerian gov blocked all supplies and they ICRC were helping the BAIFRIANS. And ICRC has a GOLDEN rule not to reveal its findings to any third parties. As such whatever they were seeing they could not report. So some guys who were in IRCRC wanted to support BIAFRAINs and so they couldn;t do so while being in ICRC and so they went out and formed Reporters Without Boders (ithink that was the first to come) they used their information collection and pictures to run articles on Time Magazine.

As such one day you may call them "Leaches without Borders" too.

Cheers mate.

kalu kotiya said...

No doubt, LTTSA (Liberation Tigers of Tamil South Africa) is on the way. Black MF kuliyata kahina onbehalf Vezapille.

Brave1 said...

Karunabudhi said...

"Smallest Country...?'

I believe you should rephrase your question...

What is the smallest State in Dream World or never-land?

Lol... then my answer is LTTE..

they never had a state and will never have a state..and it was only a nightmare...for Tamils...a bad dream of sun goat.

Cheers Mate.

Ra said...

Brave1,

That is a quite an interesting story. Do you have a reference url?

CriMeWatCh said...

I heard, after 20 years later first time Pottu Amman Came to field yesterday. and started his command.

is that so "Mahen" was the greatest lier..



Swarnawahini.. News

Brave1 said...

Last Mile,

Sorry for some typos...I was referring to ICRC..and as such all combinations of ICRC in that note should be read as ICRC...sorry.

By the way...

BAIFARIANs were the first to have an irregular Air force...and then again some Nordic buffoons were helping them.

Brave1 said...

Last mile,

For a post grad program I was taught on NGOs and this was bit I learned in the prog.

If you do a google you may land on it..if not i'll have to dig into my notes..lol and for you I will not mind.

Ra said...

I think it would be a worthy article for Ananda's blog.

Brave1 said...

Sure chum i'll send the references to Ananda. But I believe it is relevant only in an indirect way.

AAA ABS CDO said...

In response to Navindran's comments, all I have to say is that the SL economy has been hampered during the past 25 years due to that mother f*ker Vezaballa. So, SL should see a nice bounce back when we light a MBRL the Vezaballa's a$$.

Yes, the Central Bank did a stupid thing trying to support the Rupee a few months ago. But, it is a minor road bump compared to the stock market gain you'll see when we roast that diabetic pig.

As for sovereign ratings, who gives a crap. The same rating agencies rated subprime ABS CDOs AAA. lol.

Yours truly,
AAA-rated ABS CDO

onceinawhile said...

Navindran my dear friend.

According to yourself you are no citizen of Sri Lanka but of Great Peelam. So why bother about Sri Lanka's economy eh? Out of sympathy for poor chena boys? NO. that cant be!!! coz u didnt give a shit when innocent Sri Lankans were slaughtered in hundreds by LTTE terrorists you created and nourished.

So pray tell me why you bother.

Indian said...

OK,I think me as an Indian can throw some light on the Indian angle.
India's intervention in Srilanka was purely done on regional interests,which was only comnpounded by the events of July,1983.
We had refugees coming by the droves and India purely didnt want another repeat of EastPakistan issue in its south.
Added to that MGR was the Chiefminister of Tamilnadu and I bet VP till date worships before his picture :-)
MGR was such a staunch supporter of Tigers and gave them huge financial support and was able to convince Indira to help them too.
Indira however saw the bigger picture,India's interest in the region,and obliged and thats how Tiger's got their training in India.

It was a mistake.But Indira was not new to this.She did this exactly in Punjab,where she armed and trained Jarnail singh Bhindaranwale only to kill him and crush his organization through Operation Blue star in 1984.

After Indira's assasination,Rajiv too followed on his mother's footsteps.The fact that he was close to MGR just like his mother ddnt help the matters either.RAW too urged him to carry out this,as this would wipe out the presence\intervention of Pakistan\USA in Colombo.The rumours that GoSL had acceded to a US request of setting up a US Naval base at Triconamalee didnt help either.

Keeping GoSL in tenderhooks and at its mercy,would drive GoSL towards it and help India maintain its Regional supremacy,was Rajivs calculation.It happened as per that.But what happened next was not as per plan.Tiger's were not ready to lay down the arms and sign the Indo-Sri peace accord.VP was airlifted from Chennai and confined to hotelarrest in Delhi and was told to either sign it or be liquidated.VP being the shrewd thinker he is,agreed to sign it and left back to Srilanka.

That clears the other doubt.VP was not in Wadamaradchi during those operations.He like his fellow militants continued to live in Chennai until the peace accord.

The accord caused heartburns on both sides,as is evident from the attack on Rajiv by the navy person.LTTE laid down arms symbollicaly,but hid most of them which came to light only in the future.

What pulled the final straw was the death by suicide of the 17 tigers.They were on their way back to their bases when they were taken into custody by IPKF and detained at Palaly airbase,I think.GoSL wanted them to be prosecuted and hence asked the IPKF to handthem over.Tigers claimed they were only moving documents from their Chennai base to Jaffna and were not smuggling arms as claimed by GoSL.IPKF clearly explained the after effects if they handed over the Tigers to Colombo.However the security advisor of that time,advised the IPKF to hand them over to Colombo.IPKF reluctantly did so but allowed Balasingham and others to vist Tiger's before that.Bala promptly handed over cyanide capsules to them,telling them to bite it if they were to be handed over to Colombo.The 17 tigers did that promptly when SLA came to take them to their custody.VP was infuriated and felt India backstabbed him.

Prior to this,Thileepan - political wing member of LTTE,who was very famous amongst the people of Jaffna went on hunger strike saying India didnt fulfill the needs of Tamils in Sri.He fasted unto death.

Both these turned the tide against IPKF amongst the LTTE and also the tamils living in Jaffna.It started a bloody war between LTTE and IPKF.

What followed is history.However GoSL could have been intelligent enough to let IPKF finish what the Indian Govt started.

However Premadasa for reasons known only to him,armed the Tigers and helped them fight the IPKF and also told IPKF to leave Srilankan soil.

The Indian intervention thus turned futile and came to a standstill on the nights of May,21,1991.

I like crores of Indian's want that night avenged,for that night we lost India's future and Mother India's beloved son.VP&LTTE also knew it was a blunder and to me the dreams of Eelam went bust on that dreadly night at Sriperumbudur

velluprabhakaran said...

Gringo,

[[[MOST EXTREME ACTION is necessary to send clear signals to all concerned.]]]

well said. exactly my wave length.

tamils & LTTE have cost us too much. we must make them pay dearly.

every drop of blood that was shed in liberasting SL & every precious life sacrificed has to be justified.

I hope more patriots endorse our views with no holds barred.

cheers!

velluprabhakaran said...

[[[Navindran said...
All the guys out there, the flood gates are going to burst soon.]]]

sure. the retired malathi sluts will open their legs 180 degrees to sla commandos soon.

ha ha ha!

Shelly said...

Patriots and THE NOT SO ENTHUSIASTIC about a United SL


I think it’s a little premature for celebrations just yet. Because VP has a few rounds still left in his locker and still got a gun. He still has a bunch of brainwashed kids who believe in him, his cause or whatever the hell he feeds them these days. We need to prepare for the peace but first need to win the war.


After all there is no point in letting the LTTE hit at will in rear areas now that they have no ground to hold. The hard core element needs to be taken out so people can have a break from constant bombing and a bunch guys running around shooting up the place as they got nothing better to do now. We need to stop these guys from going to ground.

Let’s take our time and keep the casualties at a minimum. Let the Army do its Job. They performed admirably well in the field with limited resources. It was a long campaign with few set back but that’s to be expected. Looking at the big picture, they have made most Sri Lankans proud and given hope that this war will be ending soon. After all we can wait a few weeks to do this right.

We waited a long time for this victory. A few weeks we can wait.Lot of good men who believed in what they fought for are now been laid to rest.To quote GR an army officer once told him that he did not join the army to fall from a coconut tree and Die but he joined up so then when he falls it would be in battle and it will be in the defense of his country. Many such Men have now left us and the price paid in blood was indeed high.

Urban fighting isn't pretty. The LTTE needs to be neutralized first completely and it top leadership decapitated, Any reasonable enemy combatant should be given a chance to surrender and be allowed to get back into society, They should be given all the opportunity to learn a trade, go to university, get married, live a normal life, and do all the things that others take for granted. Let the former LTTE fighters do their thing to be a useful part of society, the Tigers who fought against the state are still Sri Lankan however misled, misguided or brainwashed they were. many for tiger cadres have been successfully rehabilitated. Let’s prove the LTTE wrong in its assertions and lies about Sinhalese. A good example of this is the latest report in Reuters that that brought out How the LTTE wanted the Civilians to DIE with THEM”(This reminds me of Hitler’s Nazi SS and how they treated their own German countryman as the end of that Regime drew near.) .The LTTE had fed false propaganda to civvies saying that the women would be raped and men tortured if they went towards the army.

My point is all the hard core crazy types who want to go to Eelam in the sky should be helped on their way. Because they are beyond help there is no reasoning with them and due to their unreasonableness no know can live with them. As we all well know Nurturing Vipers over the years hasn't gotten this country anywhere. They only increased the body count. They only know to strike back because that is their nature.

Besides some crazy folk like these people in the LTTE leadership are only satisfied to see SL and the World in general burn. These nut jobs are not only a threat to SL but are a threat to any civilized society and a menace to any country that gets in bed with them. They achieve their aim not with the approval of the masses or ballots but with the body counts of the masses Bullets and bombs.

It’s payback time now and as they say it’s a bitch...So find VP and nail his ass to the tallest tree and do not give him to any other country or organization for trial or let him make a fast get away by Air or Sea . That would be an insult on injury already suffered by the thousands of all ethnicities and backgrounds, leaders and common folk alike paid the price for the insane dream of a Megalomaniac.

(Had he had more resources he surely would have given Hitler a Run for his money.He did a pretty bang up job with what he had never forget)

These people he killed regardless of their political affiliations or backgrounds didn’t need VP playing judge; jury and executioner and were put to death at his orders.(No talk of Genocide there as I recall might I add)These were put to death at his orders.

He has too much blood on his hands. Same goes for everyone who wants to die or kill others for the same pipe dream or Stand by the VP the man. Like they say “Guilty by association”.




Let the world see that we can live with the Tamils and they are very a much part of this country. Just like they have lived among, Sinhalese, Muslims and Burghers in the South, and have done so for years.

It’s not a perfect world and stuff does happen. Let’s move on learn from mistakes and try to do better.

However also let them know that at no time will we let anyone terrorize us and no time will we negotiate with terrorists or bow down to outside pressure with regard to our internal affairs.

Let the moderates(relatively sane/and reasonable)tiger fighters and kids (baby brigades) be rehabilitated .Because they are still our countryman.They still are not a lost cause. That way we can begin healing the long wounds of this war.

Let the world see that we can live with the Tamils and they are very a much part of this country.

It’s a small country and until there is a perfect world we can get along.

Unknown said...

Ananda - USA

Hi, I still didn't received the link for the Sri Lanka Patriots web site. My email is casithal@gmail.com.

Brave1 said...

Indain,

"OK,I think me as an Indian can throw some light on the Indian angle."...

what a start to the biggest whitewash of India on this blog so far...for me..by reading your one text it was quite vividly apparent that you all so posses the normal one dimensional Indian attitude and as such I have no issues in considering you as an obnoxious Indian who want to color all the shit India secreted behalf of its interest but in the name of Tamils.

But what I enjoy right now is the lame duck situation India is in right now....actually this is the right posture any country should take....but due to its past bombastic behavior it looks quite lame...

So let me take you through my view of your view...lol. (i'm dividing the answer in to few section to make it easy for others read..)

1. It was a mistake.But Indira was not new to this.

"Bhanchoat" (it mean Sister fucker in Hindi)

Mistake is a quite a lame word for the all the mess you created in SL. You fucking Indians interfere in my mother land then watch all the bombs going off, maiming of people in all sides...social issues...economic issue...

and you fuck say sorry...I SAY BHANCHOAT...you guys owe us an APOLOGY for this...darn loud appolgy...and commitment within the SARCC brotherly behaviors that you fuckers will not do this type of mistakes ever again.

(sorry guys I normal don;t use filth but my brotherly affection Bombastic Indians demand me to use those words and sorry again)

Brave1 said...

Indian Bhanchoat,

2. The rumours that GoSL had acceded to a US request of setting up a US Naval base at Triconamalee didnt help either.

So you guys tried to fucks because of Rumors...see...this is why I call you guys bombastic...you don;t think of others...and see the mess you guys created because of rumors...so...NEXT TIME YOU fuckers think of saying or doing any thing at least against SL ensure to make sure that you have not based any thing on rumors...

And I believe JRJ got USA to make a statement to clarify that USA is not interested...but BITCHY INDIRA didn't believe or didn't wanted believe as the design was on a different need...and their need was to subjugate SL and terminate our free market driven economic growth.

So this is another reason why we SL should consider INDIA as our number one enemy.

Brave1 said...

INDIAN Bhanchoat,

3. That clears the other doubt.VP was not in Wadamaradchi during those operations.

Silly sister fucker.... because u say he was air lifted form an area other than Vadamarachi doesn't mean that our brave heart had the infested ass cornered in Vadamarachchi. so rub your infected dick some where else....and our story is the story,,,and we don't have a this bit of a regard for the story you guys wants us to believe.

SO i would say...so Bhanchoat mind your business and don;t try to interfere in our thing.

Saman said...

Brave1,

/And I don;t think any body else would have done that and no body other than RP could do such a overly treacherous (i admit that) but covertly very very patriotic thing./

You made me have a faint smile mate. RP didn’t have a choice - Had he?

When JRJ handed over the reigns quite reluctantly to RP, county was well and truly fucked. For the first time ever in Sri Lankan history both North and South were rebellious against the government. In positioning himself for leadership in counterattacking JRJ’s disliking - preference was with LA or GD – RP have taken an anti-Indian stance for popularity. That, he thought align well with appeasing both North and South rebellions (LTTE and JVP) as well. Well, he hoped to kill three birds with one stone. India-out, win LTTE (he sincerely thought LTTE would be a good ally from North could have given them to govern) and deflated JVP's course and win youth from South (for example I acan not explain Sajith's popularity in deep south). If not for RanjanW, JVP leaders including RohanaW would have been jailed or even pardoned.

In addition, army were unable to cope with fighting in North and South.

I do not call these "Leader Centered" selfish politics "Patriotism" – be covert or overt.

Shelly said...

Indian,
Interesting perspective.India in the first place shouldn't have created the LTTE but thats water under the bridge.Many Jawans laid down their lives trying to bring the LTTE to heel. Not to mention Rajiv.There was a lot of Anger and i think there still is for India's part in the whole mess,as still to day the price of those blunders are paid in blood by all communities in Sri Lanka.The LTTE was a southern adventure gone wrong big time.As for R.Premadasa who knows what on earth he was thinking when he gave weapons to the LTTE. Again was his own man.Not very honorable the send off the LTTE gave him.Hopefully India has learn t there are no good terrorists...Only terrorists and the end does not justify the means

tata said...

Moshe et. al.,
Has anyone of you read "Tigers of Lanka: From Boys to Guerrillas"
by M. R. Narayan Swamy
I read this about 2 years ago. So, it's not very clear in my mind. But that's where I first read how India trained (with masive camps in TN), financed and supported LTTE. This book had documented all main events wrt to Tigers (including 1987 period). Unfortunately I don't have that book with me now.
But I don't know how trustworthy Mr. Swamy is.

Brave1 said...

INDIAN Bhanchoat,

4. What pulled the final straw was the death by suicide of the 17 tigers.They were on their way back to their bases when they were taken into custody by IPKF and detained at Palaly airbase,I think.

According to the Accord LTTE can't travel with ARMs and they were caught with arms and it was a infringement of the deal and as such SL gov had the perfect reason to request India to take action.

and if we din;t do it on that moment SL gov will would have sunk more and more deep into being a Neuter (we call ponnaya in sinhala) and would give more room for Indians to fuck us and LTTe to infringe more and more conditions of the accord.

Why India had to respond according to SL was the fact that..it was so early in the game and if India didn;t respond to that it would have given the indication of their true intent to all.

But allowing LTTe access to prisoners and allowing them to pass Cyanide to them is the Indian Bombastic aspect of in response to the fact that they had to do what SL gov had told them to do.

And I believe this was the GOLDEN moment of JRJ...and some of my Indian friends believe so and call him the OLD FOX because of this.

So don;t try to take credit for handing over of those LTTe to us, you guys were just doing what u agreed to do by an accord. and that was the soft belly of the accord.

Veeran said...

Phase II of the Final Eelam War is about to Start now.

This will suck the Blood out of the already Bloodless Sinhala South.

hahahahaha

SL said...

Indian,

You may speculate that it would be heaven if Premadasa allowed IPKF to finish lttp. But in my view, if that happen by now the NE of SL will be your newest union territories.

Moshe Dyan said...

brave1,

hold it. hold it.
you got pissed off as if he fcuked your sister.

this guy is ONLY stating the indian perspective. he is only an indian not a terrorist!!! don't shoot the messenger.

some of what he says is unfortunately true and we knew that. not all indians are bad. anyway mother india got arse fcuked by her own son - LTTE which is headed by a MF in the true sense of the word.

Brave1 said...

5. What followed is history.However GoSL could have been intelligent enough to let IPKF finish what the Indian Govt started.

LOL..so you guys are intelligent lot?

See we turned tables and fucked you guys that moment..and you guys didn't had an idea of being fucked by us too... because we wanted our solution not your solution. and how the hell you think your solution is the solution.

If we allowed IPKF to go on your solution will prevail and it is your will not our..and we don;t agree to INDIAN point of view.

So we had to fuck you guys hard...and it worked...

Actually it was our kind return to your kindness..you were fighting us through LTTE and other Tamils and we fought you through the same lot...and you guys had to make a lame exit. lol.

And when you look back..tell me ..how on the earth do you call your slves intelligent...lol

Brave1 said...

Indian Bhanchoat( sister fucker)

6. However Premadasa for reasons known only to him,armed the Tigers and helped them fight the IPKF and also told IPKF to leave Srilankan soil.

7. The Indian intervention thus turned futile and came to a standstill on the nights of May,21,1991.

This was one of the best moment of SL history...if not for that we'll be living under Indian jack boot forever...

And it would be nothing but..living in a future dictated to us by India..

It was fine moment because we show cased to entire world that we over came Indian might by being cunning.

Hence,

So be it..it was a fine moment...

Moshe Dyan said...

tata,

thanks for the link.

i've read it though.

Shelly said...

Interestingly there was not one outcry about Sinhalese and , Muslims,Burghers killed by the insane LTTE suicide bombing,Claymore,hack attacks on villages and all the other blood baths orchestrated by these not jobs in the name of being freedom Freedom fighters and representatives of the Tamil people.
At that time i very vividly remember there was no IC, calls of Genocide, human rights organizations,UN anybody asking the LTTE to stop targeting Sinhalese, Muslims,Burghers.In fact it was more more the line of the BOYS doing there thing for the freedom struggle.Those were the days before Bin Laden and the War on terror when Sri Lanka Stood alone.In fact are former colonial master with a still upper lip did embargo weapon sales and put all pressure on the govt at the time not to be able to by weapons even to defend are self.Western Hypocrisy was at its Best with the LTTE having offices off St Kathrine Street in U.K.While blowing the living daylights out of poor helpless Lanka who was being Lectured to by the British while people lay being slaughtered by the BOYS who had now grown up it was finally countries like China and Pakistan,Israel that came to SL aid to help stop the madness....But now as the BOYS are crapping their pants its Genocide all around.I guess the problem with them is they probably did not expect us to shoot back or man up and stand our ground.No one likes being bullied.Not even a small country

ඉයන් said...

Dear Saman,

My understanding of Tamil separatism.

Idea of establishing a separate state of Tamils started long before VP was born. The idea was to obtain a separate nation just like Pakistan. Mohamed Ali Jinnah was propagating Pakistan and one Sankaran Nair and later Periyar Ramasamy were propagating a Tamil Ealam (or Dravidanad) that included Tamilnadu and northern part of Sri Lanka. For our luck only the Pakistan was established at the time of independence.

The struggle to establish the Tamil Ealam continued after the independence too. However when the indo-china war erupted in 1961 or 62, Nehru managed to pass an act that made separatism illegal. Considering the resolve and anger in India with regard to Pak separation and the subsequent events (Indo-Pakistan wars), the Tamil nation idea was shifted to Sri Lanka.

Even before this time there was silent ealamisation of northern and eastern Sri Lanka. Most of the parts of Sri Lanka was surveyed and mapped between 1950 to 60’s. During this time more that 75% of the surveyors in Sri Lanka were Tamils. They systematically gave Tamil names to the villages and tanks that were newly surveyed and mapped. ‘Weva’s became ‘kulam’s, and ‘gama’s became ‘gramam’s.

Similar to the Survey Department almost all the other government departments were dominated by the Tamil community. This is not only because as we know the British found is easier to work with the Tamils as they and Tamils had a common ‘enemy’ the Sinhalese, but also due to systematic exploitation of the education system by the Tamils. Many Tamil kids were registered a year or two later than birth so that they would be mature than the Sinhalese counterparts in schools. The O/L and A/L exams and paper marking was rigged with examiners helping the students in their exams and the paper makers giving additional marks to Tamil students. (This was continued to the 80’s and was exposed by Cyril Mathew in the 80’s). This resulted in majority of the students going to universities being Tamils. This did not stop there. As there was one university in Sri Lanka (University of Ceylon) and all others were campuses of Uni of Ceylon, while Colombo and Peradeniya had few classes awarded to students but majority of the students in Jaffna campus had classes. This resulted in majority of the international scholarships awarded to the country by the foreign governments and other bodies going to the Tamil community.

Even in accountancy before the Institute of Chartered accountants was started by Illangaratne in the 70’s, the British body ICWA (Now CIMA) conducted courses in Sri Lanka. Many Tamils from Jaffna and wellawatte would follow courses in accountancy in Colombo but would only sit for the exam in Jaffna centre as they could easily copy from text books and get assistance from others in the Jaffna centre. This resulted in ICWA cancelling the Jaffna centre (and the Kandy centre to balance off) and hold the exams only in Colombo. This kind of ‘cheating’ and ‘day light robberies’ also resulted in all major positions in the government including ambassador appointments been held by Tamils.

Hence it is clear that there was a bigger hand behind the whole thing than VP. When LTTE became powerful with India’s help, the contract of Tamil nationhood was sub contracted to VP and to the LTTE. Basically VP hijacked the Tamil Nationalistic movement. The brains behind the Ealam economic plans, establishing banks and courts etc. are not the gun totting LTTEers but the people behind the scene namely the Tamil National movement. Strategic sounding and diplomatic speeches of VP also may be written by them. I believe the movement lost control of the agent (VP). It is interesting to contemplate what would have happened if VP succeeded. I believe although the Tamil nationalist movement delegated the reaching of nationhood to VP, he would have got kicked upstairs or removed.

We all know that everything that Diaspora and LTTE said about the discriminations, Tamil homeland, genocides, etc etc were invented stories to convince the international community to back their ultimate intention. We know it but IC dont know that. They did it so well while SL didn’t have a mechanism to counter these allegations as until late 80’s majority of our ambassadors were also Tamils and were part and parcel of the whole nationalistic movement. SL was only denying what they said (not loud enough though)but was not (and is not) telling the real story. I believe if not for 9/11 and the Tamil National movement would have succeeded. Thanks to events starting for 9/11 to 26/11 in Mumbai, every thing that went against terrorism helped us.

So we should remember that the plan of establishing and Ealam may not go away with the defeat of LTTE. We have to be more careful and more vigilant in the future than now. We need constitutional amendments, resettling SLA people in the liberated areas and do much more to ensure that the Ealam won’t be established in Sri Lanka for next thousands of years. One good thing of this problem of 30 years is Sri Lankan all over are much together now than in the past. The responsibility of the Sinhalese Diaspora and GOSL is enormous to ensure that the past won’t repeat it self as here will be a movement that consciously pushing for the dream of Tamil Ealam. Starting step would be to conduct research and publish books and material, and organize other activities to ensure our future generations and the IC knows the other side (the truth) of the story. If we go to sleep after the victory this will recur may be 10, 20 or 100 years later.

Unknown said...

machanla, still many of ltte asspora in hier. but very soon ...............

Moshe Dyan said...

peeran,

"Phase II of the Final Eelam War is about to Start now.

This will suck the Blood out of the already Bloodless Sinhala South."


so you thought that's blood!!

no veeran it is something else. it comes from the dik.

suck harder.

Brave1 said...

INDIAN Bhanchaot(sister fucker)

8. I like crores of Indian's want that night avenged,for that night we lost India's future and Mother India's beloved son.VP&LTTE also knew it was a blunder and to me the dreams of Eelam went bust on that dreadly night at Sriperumbudur

lol...I love this part..

When INDIA had to eat its own shit...and see the result..still trembling...

Elam Dream... it was a dream only because you fuckers were supporting them...so..you guys were the backers and I don;t think you guys wanted them out..this the normal bondage you build up when you adopt someone....it was clearly shown by the conflict within the Indian establishment.

And so don;y try to take the credit for Victories we are reaping...

You guys were the reason for the mess and the obstacle for the conclusion if and if not for our intentional maneuvering and pitting China, Iran and Pakistan against your lame might these victories wouldn't have been possible..so shut your ass...think straight..this victory is ours and ours only..we out manured you guys..big time and now swallow the pride and be angry with VP, LTTe and all the Tamils...lol..and eat the humble pie...lol

Indian said...

Brave1,
I understand the language you use,but I think you misunderstood big time on my intentions.I think its better you stop calling me names and provide your views on the conflict happening now.Its really silly hearing that word from you as you seem to have picked it from some north Indian folks and have made a mockery of it.I dont take any offense to that,as all the name calling done on this web world is only done by cowards and I am not one amongst them.

I have no double thoughts on the fact that Indian intervention complicated matters from bad to worse in Srilanka.

Regarding the naval base,when I say rumours,I think you took the word with literal meaning.What I meant was in diplomatic circles this word was gaining ground which means that the planning is on definitely.Indira's actions prevented it from happening.From India's point of view she did her duty as the premier,but very very unfortunately it happened at the cost of peace in Srilanka.

I again confirm VP was not in wadamaradchi during those operation.The cadres were the one fighting the war and he is one who never is in the battlefield.He along with other tamil militant leader's were in Tamilnadu during that time.

About the suicide of those tiger's,yes they did have arms with them during their capture.IPKF didnt do a favour by handing them over,but this incident pitched the IPKF bang against the tiger's and India's intervention took the turn for worse from this incident.

About the Union territory claim,I can only laugh at it,as India was never for a separate Eelam.It never wanted Srilanka to be bifurcated.This can be clealy understood from the huge help it has been providing to GoSL in Eelam war IV.Ofcourse,I repeat again,its not a favour,but helping them clean the mess created by India in the early eighties.Had India's intention been that,let me tell you,they can do it even now - if you have any doubts you can search on web for Yahya Khan and his adventures in East Pakistan.

Tata,I have read that book and it gives a clear insight into the Indian thinking during that point of time and how the issue snowballed into its current state today.

India today is hell bent on seeing the logical end of the Tiger's just like the GoSL.

With that,I think I will log out of this Indian angle discussion,as seems some of you are not happy with the contents I had posted.But thats the past history and no one can deny it.

Saman said...

Indian,

I do not care whether you are an Indian or a LTTE MF acting as a scum bag. I dont give a rat's ass if you are an Indian RAW MF either.

Fact remains India got it's both ends fucked by involving in our internal matters in 1980's. If we need help we will ask. If we don't ask stay put. Our relations are that simple.

Do not foget anti-Indian sentiment is all around you. Even, Bangladesh is opening borders for terror in out bound. Now India is aligning and opening it's back side to USA - for the same reason you trained LTTE and destabilised my country. If India has a short memory I can't help. But we have a long memory.

Let me tell you respectfully - PISS OFF!

Indian said...

Moshedyan,
thanks for atleast caring to understand what I tried to convey - the Indian perspective,just that.

But,one must remember that it is not India that is explicitly behind what is happening now.India came into the picture only beyond July 1983.But the Tamil militancy and the related problems exist even before that.GoSL has to study what went wrong and fix it once they wipe out the Tiger's.

Jambudipa said...

indian,

/*
India came into the picture only beyond July 1983.
*/


"It is a well known fact that the LTTE and other Sri Lankan Militants camps were established in India ever since 1982 in tune with the policy of the Central Government at that time. The Tamil militants were given military training and allowed to have their own training camps in India."


- 7.10 Shri M. Karunanidhi, Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, in his affidavit no. 187/94 filed before the Jain Commission has submitted on PAGE NO.2 PARA 4

Moshe Dyan said...

brave1 & saman,

like you i too am worked up bcos of this blooody indian attitude. we all hate it as much as ALL other india's neighbours hate.

but let this bahnchoat or ghandu or chuthiya say what he wants to say.

"never disturb your enemy when he is making a mistake"

we had many MFs here calling themselves ex-LTTE, ex-LTTE intelligence/insider, etc. let them talk. they are so stupid that they give things away.

anyway i don't think the MF will ever come to SL let alone DW!!!!

lol!!

cheers

Jambudipa said...

Indian,

So essentially, the 30 decades of death and destruction causing over 100,000 deaths was a creation of Govt of India.

Saman said...

Dear Ian,

/My understanding of Tamil separatism./

Well put mate. Agree word to word.
You may contact Ananda-USA to consider for his blog.

Moshe Dyan said...

indian,

there were indian hands b4 1983 too.

but it was not india that started this, agree.

it was the stupid mentality of SOME tamils. they will cause a lot of trouble for india as well in the future like they did in anti-hindi violence.

so while we will look after them on this side of the waters, you have to look after them on your side. NEVER EVER feel sympathetic to their BS. they crap the country they are in!!!!!

Shelly said...

also not to be forgotten are the other many armed groups created by india,EPRLF,TELO,PLOTE etc.Then the IPKF created the TNA and gave them latest weapons like Carl Gustavs and other heavy Toys to play with.The LTTE waited till the IPKF left and went to town on these boys and took away all the TNA toys and turn it on the ARMY.Quite the COUP the for the IPKF

Brave1 said...

Indian,

So you also did a tactile withdrawal..lol...

Any ways..make no mistake..your right to say what you want in this blog is held as a supreme freedom and my freedom to obliterate your nonsense is also held supreme..as such your action of withdrawal is just a lame thing which quite rightly rhyme with being an Indian.

Past history...the way you guys want us to remember...that's all...lol

VP in Chenai: tell me your basis...as we have our records too to base our claim.

Why India was trying to poke its finger...was due to it selfishness..and was rewarded amply..and this reward is the reason for Indian inaction..not because India want to shed its tool of influence over SL...and because We SL got entire SRC bounded by the Anti Terro Policy...lol.

Rumor...no..you are wrong..on that too...I meant Diplomatic stuff too. there are enough of similar DP rumors.

Not happy with content...I thought that's an understatement...

Name calling...man you started it by saying its a mistake..lol.. if you want to act like that I have to use the correct word...lol

And I don't think as an Indian you'll be surprised to hear those words...and among friends it is a common usage..and I was just trying my best to make you feel good as if you are among your friends...lol

Any way..thanks for letting me say few things I have against India..and letting other vent their anger..too.

Jambudipa said...
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B#1 said...

Interesting posts. Keep them flowing !!

Shelly said...

Also given as gift to the LTTE were numerous APCs that were captured by the boys when a IPKF Mech Infantry assault on Mullativu LTTE camps when wrong and left the IPKF hurt with more than their pride.The army liberated recently the work shop in the thick jungles of Mulla where the LTTE scavenged and cannibalized these vehicles to put a hodgepodge so call MECH Infantry unit togetherThere is actual video of this discovery by troops

Jambudipa said...

The fact Velu was not there during Vaddamarachi is proabably true. He left for India soon after 83. He did not return even when his people in jaffna pleaded him to return probabably out for concern for his personal security. He returned to the island in 87 when Kittu was getting popular in Jaffna. He did not want Kittu to get the limelight.

Dark Knight said...

By the way did Navindran come to give the currency report today?

Looks like he's getting complacent. We must fire him in that case and hire someone like peter.

Jambudipa said...

knock knock.. heylo India, are you there?

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Duzz/Calvin, I replied.

Anonymous said...

/ Dark Knight said...

By the way did Navindran come to give the currency report today?/

No. He had the tablet today.

Anonymous said...

Who is that Indian?? He states indian perspective.. eh.. puh.. Is he Mana Mohana? Mukherjee? Vaiko? or Karunanidi?

Indian said...

LOL.Posting from office and caught up with something else here.

MosheDyan,yes I know about the anti hindi campaign that went on here.It was the making of few politico's who let the campaign down after they achieved what they wanted.It was a poll gimmick and once they won the polls,the campaign was forgotten and lost its sheen.

Well,history is bitter at times and though I could see a lot of outpour against my country here,I really dont have much to say against it,since India's intervention in Srilanka did end with a bloodynose.

Brave1,as I said in my previous post,I didnt take offense to the term you used and I explained my reasons.

About India's intervention now,I think its playing a different role now having learnt the lessons in the last debacle.

And no,I wont run out of DW,as its amongst my bookmarked pages and I see it daily to know about the current battle going on along with DN\LR.

On a sidenote,I was trying to learn more about Language act of 1956 and the Standaridzation act of 1972.What I could find on web didnt give the exact details as more often than not,it was biased towards one side.Can someone point me a site which gives out the details without any bias?

Anonymous said...

BTW, Thanks diASSpora for the diesel.

http://www.lankadeepa.lk/2009/02/27/front_news/02.htm

Indian said...

Ninja,I am an ordinary civilian.Its out of my own interest that I do a study on this conflict that has been raging for 3 decades now

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