There is mass speculation regarding the number of civilians trapped inside LTTE areas. Human Rights groups who make a living out of such situations have claimed that 250-000 (MSF) to 300,000 (AI Report) civilians are trapped in these areas. How these organizations arrived at these figures is a mystery, or is it?
A careful observation of these agencies' information extraction process reveals that there is much to be desired in terms of their methodology for getting at the 'truth'. This is because the exact number of civilians trapped in those areas is not known even by the military. There has not been a census conducted in those areas in two decades. The Army's best guesstimates puts the number around 100,000 civilians at the most.
So how do these organizations gather their information?
When it comes to the collection of information from 'the other side', there has been a practice by these organizations, even diplomatic missions, of hiring or networking either directly or indirectly with Tamil nationals residing both in Colombo and in the Districts. This is based on the idea that they have better access and therefore better information about the Tamils in the said area.
The issue of natural bias is often overlooked as a result of high expectation for professionalism from the said officers. These networks are maintained by a 'local operation' meaning a small office/s maintained in Sri Lanka by a group of expatriates and their local employees. The major sources of these organizations are as follows:
- Political affairs officers of embassies/High Commissions who rely on Tamil journalists from mainly the print media (Thinakkural etc)
- Tamil nationals attached to NGOs/INGOs/UN agencies both at the head quarters and district level (ICRC, SLRC, Local 'Civil Society' and Human Rights Groups)
- Tamil nationals attached to various Ministries (Ministry of Rehabilitation etc)
- Expatriate staff of NGOs/INGOs/UN who meet randomly at Colombo's favourite watering holes (These expatriate officers disseminate information gathered through local staff)
- Local officers/district staff obtain information through their own networks of Tamil journalists/Grama Niladhari etc. Some may have an opportunity to interview returning civilians.
- Sinhala journalists who get tidbits from friends in the Military
1. The area of contention has shrunk. One can cover the area under LTTE control with one's thumb on a map of Sri Lanka.
2. No rebel 'administration' exist, hence there cannot be accurate estimates even if they tried
3. Civilian and civil administration, interaction and communication systems within the area and connection to the outside world has ceased and replaced primarily by an LTTE Military communication system, which is naturally biased.
4. Returning civilians may have an 'idea' of the numbers displaced but it is by far inaccurate and limited to their immediate experience/individual networks/capacity.
5. Quality and capacity of the information gatherers and their methods are highly questionable. Many local journalists are part-time regional reporters and are untrained. Members of the networks providing ad hoc information are not trained professionals.
6. No scientific surveys are possible. Access to the areas under LTTE control, even the No FIRE ZONE is denied by the Tigers (though access to government IDP centers are allowed).
The repercussions of this failed systems of reporting on humanitarian conditions in the Vanni are numerous. These include:
1. 'Naming and shaming' the government based on inaccurate information backfires on the agencies themselves and their networks
2. Wide-spread animosity and antagonism towards functioning and sometimes useful civil society groups
3. Credibility and standards of practice of international humanitarian agencies get eroded
4. Defaming of Sri Lanka- defaming of a democratically elected government or its people supporting a military solution is sometimes tantamount to defaming the entire nation, particularly in the west
5. Based on the 'established credibility' of these agencies and their reports, international media continues to defame our nation and its right to defend itself
6. These falsifications strengthen the separatist ideology of the Diaspora pro-LTTE groups resulting in taxation of Tamils living in the west, self-immolation by misled individuals, diplomatic stand-offs (Indian Central Govt-Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka) and finally;
7. Strengthening the hand of Tamil ultra nationalists hell-bent on eternal perpetuation of hatred and subsequently a 'Round-2' of the fight.
8. Undue external interference in the conflict- The reports issued by these agencies put undue pressure on the state actor whereas it is the non-state actor that is holding the civilians against their will. In fact, thousands of Tamils attempting to reach government controlled areas at south Puthukudirippu were fired at (some killed) and subsequently driven out to Mathalang, general area north of Puthukudirippu recently.
It is therefore only natural for these agencies to now take stock of their methodologies, particularly in Sri Lanka. We would strongly urge them to do so and go as far as saying that we would even offer our services in reaching out for the truth.
dA & DW
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1328 Newer› Newest»a bit of math for math lovers.
according to 2001 census sinhalese in n-e district = 40%
others = 60%
if 85% of sinhalese voted for UPFA, 85% x 40 = 34%, they need 33% of minority vote to make 54%. (34% + 33% x 60 = 54%)
even 85% i think is too much given SB, etc, etc, in n-e.
so UPFA DID get a sizable tamil and muslim vote which is very good.
i was panicking thinking that UPFA may not have got the support of minorities. a very dangerous situ.
(however, the calc can change based on voter turnour of each ethnic group. but differences are most likely immaterial.)
Hi everybody,
good analysis
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items09/160209-4.html
LTTP talking up civilian casualties after placing elderly in harms way
Two 130mm Guns captured. This was greased and buried. 53 division found this.
We are grateful to LTTE and Tamil Diaspora for contributing heavily on military items for SLA.
Thank you Diaspora
Boys who terrorised the terrorists
So, Piraba has a third Child eh?
Master Balachandran Prabhakaran.
Seems only 10 years old. What will be his fate?
Piraba is supposed to commit suicide...?
Before he goes we'd like an interview with him to gloat over..
For example we would like to ask..
"You said in your 2008 MahaPeerar day that capturing Killinochchi is just another day dream of Mahinda Rajapaksha. What went wrong?"
Diaspora does piraba have a backbone to face the music?
Interesting article from the BBC about how 'Great' Britain is dealing with extremism.
New tactic in the battle with extremism
By Richard Watson
BBC Panorama reporter
Richard Watson talks about Monday's Panorama Muslim First, British Second
Britain is once again searching for new answers to terrorism and radicalisation. We may not have had a major terrorist attack since the London bombings of July 2005 but the ideological battle against al-Qaeda is being lost at home.
Take the case of Nicky Reilly, a young man with Asperger's Syndrome who lived in Plymouth with his mother.
He was persuaded last year that he would join the ranks of the martyrs if he blew himself up in a packed family restaurant in Exeter.
Fortunately his bomb-making skills were poor, but what is worrying the security services is the intent - he had been convinced by as yet unknown hands that he was acting in the name of God.
Nicky Reilly, the gentle giant as he was known, had never stepped abroad but had been infected by al-Qaeda's ideology in Britain.
Existing policy
Recent demonstrations in London against Israeli attacks in Gaza are causing concern.
They have exposed the raw wounds of grievances felt by many Muslims about Britain's stance on Muslim affairs abroad.
Legitimate political dissent was exploited by a minority of violent extremists to bolster their hatred of Britain.
"Let's have a... war", one of them shouted as missiles were thrown at the police. From this pool, new terrorists may come.
Bomb attacker Nicky Reilly was radicalised in the UK
So what action should the government take? They could continue with the existing policy called Preventing Violent Extremism.
This, as the title suggests, has been focused on those promoting violence.
Investigate them, place them under surveillance, prosecute or deport them, cut out the cancer of extremism and the threat will subside.
Well it has not proved as simple as that. Judging by the number of terrorist plots under investigation by MI5 - more than 200 - there is no shortage of young Muslims who are learning to view Britain with hatred.
When the policy was set in 2006 the government was scared of alienating people so it set the bar of what was "unacceptable" very high.
In other words, only those at the far end of the extremist spectrum were to be challenged.
'Lesser of two evils'
The flipside to this meant that those who denounced violence but who promoted intolerance and held offensive, anti-British views were tolerated.
More than this, some radicals were even courted as part of our counter-terrorism strategy. The idea was that so long as they denounced terror, other views would be ignored.
This was seen as the lesser of two evils - backing certain radicals even if they preached intolerance of homosexuals or women's rights was seen as a way of protecting Britain.
The Gaza protests were illustrative of the divided loyalties some have
But this has been a dangerous path and shows little sign of working.
The radicals took much succour from engagement with the state. Advising the government or the police is an impressive calling card. They can claim their deeply conservative views about life in Britain are being endorsed.
This has helped make these views seem legitimate in the eyes of ordinary Muslim citizens and has added to the climate of Islamic conservatism in Britain today.
Take a walk in any city with a large Muslim population and you will see that second and third generation Muslims are far more conservative than their parents.
Ayesha, a young woman I interviewed for my Panorama film Muslim First, British Second, is an example.
She is a medical school graduate who defends those who preach intolerance of homosexuals.
In terms of her faith, she is also more conservative than her liberal parents, covering herself with the niqab against their wishes.
Forced to change
Those driving counter-terrorism policy believe the old policy has failed. As Panorama will reveal, the government is planning a new approach.
There will be much more emphasis on shared British values and those who preach intolerance will be shunned even if their views do not break the law.
And so the Preventing Violent Extremism policy will effectively change to Preventing Extremism.
Until now efforts have been focused on those who advocate violence
This shift will be uncomfortable for the police - they do not police ideas or ideology unless they contravene the law.
But it is right that they should be careful about who they back and who they fund.
Likewise the government will be more open about criticising Islamic radicals who preach against shared democratic values but stay on the right side of the law.
The argument comes down to the use of public money. It certainly makes sense to sit down and talk with radicals, so long as they do not promote violence and are willing to act within the law.
For pragmatic reasons the police and counter-terrorism officers need lines of communication into radical communities.
Britain also has a long tradition of tolerating political dissent. But moderate Muslims argue using taxpayers' funds to support or endorse isolationist views makes little sense and the government is right to move against this now.
But this is a complex situation, the arguments are not black and white.
While cracking down on divisive preachers may make Britain more resilient to terrorism by creating a stronger sense of community cohesion, this is a 10 or 20-year plan.
Grand sociological aspirations may be desirable but in the shorter term the police and MI5 must worry about the next attack.
Given there is little evidence that the appetite for extremism is fading, the government has little choice but to try a new approach.
Panorama: Muslim First, British Second is on BBC One on Monday, 16 February at 2030 GMT.
A REWARD IS IN ORDER FOR THE CAPTURE OF PIRABAHARAN.
10 MILLION FOR ANY AND ALL PERSONS LEADING TO ARREST? IS THAT ENOUGH???
AND A PARDON OF ALL SINS OF COURSE!
http://www.tamilkathir.com/calendar/80/171--.aspx
Anyone has an on Idea who is this ?????
Its "Punniyamoorthi Saththiyamoorthi"
[Indian Union Home Minister P Chidambaram appealed to the LTTE to lay down arms and come to the negotiating table for creating a meaningful dialogue on the ethnic issue. He also wanted Sri Lanka to suspend its military operations to facilitate such a dialogue.]
hak hak ha..... :p
Admin said
Anyone has an on Idea who is this ?????
I guess this is the journalist got killed in old No Fire Zone. If you want more info about him go to Tamilnuts website
Orbat updated. Only 139 km2 more
[News : SLA found load of Grease barrels - defence.lk]
Bloddy Dispora..
Why cant they send some more money to buy Vasline instead of Grease..?
As Disporians themself very much aware from their experience with white masters in UK/Canada/Norway, Grease may casue greater discomfort to "Surya Thevan" himself not to mention the underage mahivers who getting the ultimate hardship of using Gease in "passage to eelam"
OR
Is this an indication that all Mahavirs (including "Surya Thevan" himself) is well prepared with greasly lubricated "passages of eelam" for SLDF? After all the hardwork our boyz will be furious to see the "lubricated passages of Eelam". Becasue Original plan was to satisfy the "quest for Eelam" without any lubrications..
Bastards..well prepared this time!
Could there be anything hidden beneath grease?
Rover
The link for the interview was published by bandara
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDM9ztLo0mE&fe%20ature
It seems like it was published on yourtube by a Tamil person since the title is "Kothapaya got busted by BBC".
Single,
"Grease Barrels"
At minimum, Thalaivar was smart enough to prepare himself to bend over when SLA comes to the area,of course with enough grease. What I heard is that LTTE members found Vaseline was not good enough by the way Thaliavar himself acted on junior LTTE cadre.
Cheers!
Is there a link somewhere with the preference votes for the central provinicial council elections? a list of the candidates and the votes they got?
Would be great... thanks!
SF@LNP is back...
TTBB
Check lankadeepa.lk
Your feedback and pro activity is needed to create a bad impression of Tamil diaspora who promotes Self-immolation.
Add your comments here:
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/comments.php?nid=1096935311
http://www.sibernews.com/200902141912/comment-page-1/#comment-1500
Please mention that their culture have become breeding ground for violence and terrorism and SL Tamils can be hired by Al Qiada in the future because of their mentality.
Why is it easy for a Tamil to burn himself? Sometimes they like to barbeque themselves.
http://www.discoversrilanka.com/places/katharagama.php
The Double Cross by Red Cross
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මෙ පර යක්කු අපේ රට්ට් වෙලා අහින්සක මිනිස්සු බිල්ලට දීල හොදට කාලා බීලා සොමිකරලා තවත් දිගටම ඉන්න කල්පනාව!
Red Double Cross
He he good one..
BTW, like Disopora, ICRC should have a war condition for survival.
If there is no war, no grounds for ICRC to operate :)
NInja and others,
many tamils supported UPFA in this elections. Thats a fact the 2/3 ratio is way off.. I know personally a lot of tamils( my job requires me to interact with all the ethnities so i know)
A good example is the Kurunegala town. Its always been a UNP stronghold. BUt UPFA won very convincingly this time..
and the claim that 90% of muslims supported UNP Is very wrong too. kurunegala district was won by nearly an excess of 200,000 votes by UPFA over the UNP. Many of u guys may not know but there is a huge Muslim population in wariyapola,Panduwasnuwara,Hettipola,Bamdara Coswatte areas. If 90% of them voted for UNP it wud have been a landslide victory for UNP.
A main reason for UNP votes were the JVP factor. Many families who were affected by the JVP violence earlier still vote for UNP.
A Big Thank You to Tamil Diaspora for the very generous gifts!
130 mm arty barrels
ReallyCold,
Have to agree with you, the interview was ungainly.
Gotabaya will now be hounded for saying "either you are with us or against us". Did you see how the journalist dragged out those exact words from Gota's lips?
Anyway, Gota proved yet again that he is a straight hard talking man, no matter what the circumstance is. Perhaps this spirit is needed to straighten our country, which has been pandering to the whims and fantasies of the LTTE stooges for too long.
Ninja,
Thanks !
Good news on the way for Sri Lankans. Ta Ta!
duzz,
I roamed in NWP and CP a few weeks ago. I talked to a number of villagers in these areas and some of them happened to be Muslims. Based on what I heard from them, the outcome of the election is not a surprise to me at all. It is worthwhile to notice how well integrated Muslims to our society. The few Muslims I talked had very positive feeling about the imminent end of the war with LTTE. Anyway, it was a great feeling to see how various communities are united to face the threat of LTTE. I sincerely hope to see this unity in the future with no preference to petty racial differences.
Rover,
Please tell us the good news upfront.
duzz,
Unfortunately, I didn't meet any Tamils Villagers in CP. It is a great feeling to hear that Tamils supported the war against LTTE. By the way, I was very proud to see our national flag flying high in many Muslim areas during my tour.
This is a very nice article, it is too long to post without disturbing all of but if you like here is link..
http://www.island.lk/2009/02/15/features11.html
The Nationalist Papers
Nationalism is a responsibility
By Malinda Seneviratne
We live in times where ‘patriotism’ is either a virtue or a crime. Patriotism, like peace, is not anyone’s private property, but the term is tossed around (loosely) by those who swear by it and by those who are equally rabid in taking issue with them. The result is that it has been reduced to a rhetorical tool and nothing else.
.............
sam p,
hellz yes machang.. everybody is optimistic now ( fianlly!!!)
මේ වගේ කාලයක් දකින්නට ලැබීම අපේ පිනක්.
sam,
i live in very close relations with the tamil community in the kurungela city.. THey oppose the LTTE as much as we do. maybe more.. they are our brothers and sisters..
They even helped the police apprehend a LTTEr who was trying to blend in here with some explosives some time back...
Russia Rules out Security Council Intervention in Sri Lanka
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/15605
Thank you Russia.
Guys,
When the war is over, we should give more investment opportunities in North and East to our friendly countries such as Russia, China, Pakistan Check and Slovakia.
Rover
I like Gota's personality to deal with Sri Lankans specially with LTTE, not with foreign journalists.
Diaspora have been portraying a picture of GR and the journalists got that picture.
Sri Lankan have fallen behind the diplomacy game which is sad.
Guys,
Take a look at this Tamil Tiger Research
This is hilarious and thumbs up to the creator! :)
duzz,
Kurunegala was not a strange place to me some years ago. Some Tamil communities used to live by the Wewa close to the Puttlam Road. What part of Kurunegala city is Tamil these days? Anyway, I glad to hear about such a good Tamil community there.
Here is another one. I was there when this was happening...
British police charge man, reportedly Tamil, with arson
Police could wait a few minutes to let him set the fire and get him half roasted..... ha haa...
Tamil members of CP UPFA list could get large amount of votes (manapa). So, it is clear the contribution of upcountry Tamils for the UPFA win is significant.
there is big community near the wewa, its called the ගල area.
And there is another bigger one at විල්ගොඩ rd. And another at ගැට්ටුවාන area.
more government attention should be given to the city of kurunegala, because it is has all the aspects that are needed for a financial central for sri lanka such as..
100 km (1.5 hrs drive) to colombo
30km to kandy (20 mins)
100km to anuradhapura
very close to chillaw,Puttlam,matale,Mannar
Flat land (which kandy does not have)
Upcountry Tamils are the real Sri Lankan Tamils (at least the majority of them). We should not call as Indian Tamils. Most of them are poor, but their contributions to our economy is marvelous unlike the (so called Sri Lankan) Tamils in north who tried ruin our country.
Sam P
The Tamils I knew in the Kurunagala town are from the Indian origin like the shop keepers like Paldanos and Gomezes in Putlam Road. During the 1958 riots one thug named Valu spear headed the riots at the bus stand where he looted with his Sinhalese brothers. The shops that was looted belongs to a few Tamils and Muslims and my friends’ brother who was a doctor in Putlam road treated him for the 303 shot he got on his leg from the police.Valu was so respected by all no one could refuse treatment. He dominated the bus stand mostly in charge of loading passengers to the private vehicles that ran in parallel with the new CTB.There was complete unity between the races then, very much in evidence among thugs. During the Sinhalese New year excessive drinking made that place a war zone, where there were stabbings and fist fights and they all made up after the New year and business as usual in their pitch. During the New year they took their anger on the two Sinhalese hotels named City Hotel and Munasinghe hotel for selling arrack at an exorbitant prices during the year since there were no taverns in Kurunagala that time and this was sold illegally by the glass.
Badrinath (aka Puligal Blogspot),
You are so right man! Are your contacts the same guys who told me that Nachchikuda will be recaptured by November 27th?
Guys,
i started a new blog.Actually its a new type of blog.Its(will)be run(postings) by bloggerS I select.iV ALREADY DECIDED THE CO AUTHORS.GO AND SEE THE INTRO AND DONT FORGET TO COMMENT.I THINK THIS WILL BE A REVO IN DEFENSE BLOGS.(sorry about the capitals.)
bloggerdefence
Navindran,
Thanks for commenting in my blog. Yes Sir, you are right, the Sri Lankan economy is going to collapse! We will starve to death, we are like the Sahara desert, no rains, no fertile lands, no paddy fields, no lakes, no rivers, no experienced agricultural work force and we were never called the granary of the East.
Thanks for your warning, I have sent a note to Ajith Nivaard Cabraal about your economic predictions.
Sivanesan,
You posted the identical message last time and when several responses were posted you vanished. Look for them and write something new!
Just in the same way how ppl of NWP and CP [SP and NCP few months ago] answered with patriotism against betrayal, there was another good answer in NE/Maskeliya polling division. Upcountry Tamil majority has chosen a national party than their tribal versions.
After sometime I enjoyed a UNP victory [in NE/MK]. Glad to see another tribal shylock loosing his grounds.
One very good solution for SL ethnic clashes is to make sure we ban tribal politics. If all ethnic groups get elected from parties like UNP, SLFP, JVP, Sama Samaja etc there won't be any issues. All those "grievances" of some ethnic groups are handy work of tribal politicians and ribal terrorists.
off topic but interesting read
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan
/President Mahinda Rajapaksa today rejected reports that civilians fleeing from the LTTE-held areas are subject to harassment in cleared areas, adding that civilians will also not be used for propaganda purposes./
LTTE trapped the civilians, shot if they flee and diASSpora plus int.media jump up and down saying genocide AND MR says in SINHALA 'avathan uvan pradarshana bhanda karanne na'. This is unbelievable.
Winning the shooting war and losing the PR war
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its trousers on", Churchill.
Despite the costly gains on the battlefield, paid for with the lives of our soldiers, the GOSL is losing to the LTTE in the international public relations arena.
The LTTE's most effective weapon is no longer the Black Tiger suicide bomber. Instead, it has deployed, with devastating impact, a legion of lies, half-truths and unverifiable claims, which the world's media has repeated verbatim, often with readers and viewers unaware of the source of these questionable assertions.
The LTTE is ably assisted by its media and political sympathisers, including such well known LTTE stooges like Keith Vaz MP, Simon Hughes MP, Robert Evans MP etc.
Why is the GOSL so slow to react and understand the damage being done to its' cause by the lack of counter action to the LTTE's propaganda?
Where is the GOSL's co-ordinated counter-attack using skilled speakers and advocates available to it. In my opinion, some of the most effective spokespeople are Dr. Dayan Jayatilleke, Dr Palitha Kohona and Prof Rajiva Wijesinghe. At least one of them should be on permanent standby to react and rebut various LTTE inspired allegations. They are combative, articulate, speak and write excellent English and will not bow down in front Western media interviewers.
Example 1: The BBC interviewed an Amnesty International spokesman about the situation in SL, during the early days of LTTE deploying civilians as human shields. He trotted out the usual allegations that the shelling was by the SLA, made no real mention of the LTTE having taken the civilians along as hostages/bullet catchers etc. Typically, the BBC did not seek any comments or rebuttals from a GOSL spokesman. Why? The BBC and other important media must be informed in no uncertain terms that balance demands that the GOSL's spokespeople must be allowed to counter LTTE propaganda.
Example 2: The 'concentration camp' story. The Times article did the damage. Where was the rebuttal by GOSL spokesmen? Newspapers can and have been sued for printing lies. The GOSL must demand that a retraction be published, as long as it can prove that the 'concentration camp' story is a pure fabrication.
In the UK, the High Commission is conspicuous by its absence in print and on TV. The HC's press people should be on continuous alert, ready to insist on speaking with the main local and international news channels, ready to discredit the LTTE inspired propaganda. If this is done often enough and the LTTE stories are shown to be the fabrications that they are, the Western media outlets will be more hesitant to blindly print and transmit LTTE-instigated propaganda.
The GOSL cannot afford to lose any more time in resolving this matter. I'd argue that the PR offensive is now at least as important as the military offensive in shaping the perceptions of what Sri Lanka has achieved and what it intends to achieve after the final annihilation of the LTTE's main force units.
As part of this PR offensive, reporters should be taken to the IDP camps and the front lines to be shown undisputed evidence of the LTTE using civilians as human shields. If they subsequently fail to report the facts, their credibility will be shattered.
@ voters
Let me put it this way. Actually there is no way to say this certainty and this is based on preferential votes. My guess is out of total votes to UNP majority (>50%) are from tamils and muslims. Its true tamils and muslims have voted for UPFA, in that case either they have givan manapa for sinhala candidates or if they gave it for their own ones it was not enough to get selected. Also, in NE/Maskeliya majority of tamils have voted for UNP despite CWC and UPA being with UPFA. At the same time out of total votes for UPFA I guess nearly 90% are from sinhalese.
The point is UNP is losing the confidence of the majority rapidly and without majority no one can come to power.
මේ වගේ මෙලොහසරක් දන්නෑති රිපොටර්ල මොකට පත්තරවලට ලියනවද මන්ද. මේ කාලතුවක්කුද? මෝටාර් නෙ 130????
[http://www.lankadeepa.lk/2009/02/16/front_news/07.htm]
130mm is arti not motar..??
Sujeewa,
"After sometime I enjoyed a UNP victory [in NE/MK]. Glad to see another tribal shylock loosing his grounds."
You are mistaken. UNP was using Mano Ganeshan there effectively.
To me Ganeshan is more LTTE than Chandrasekaran.
defence.lk map has been updated
hi...
this is my 1st post...and news to all of you..
The Vikramabahu Karunarathna well known Sinhala LTTE supporter has started his Political Campaign in western province, to day he announced regarding this. As he mention the aim of the campaign is to get the vote of LTTE supporter who live in Colombo and show a that there are people who believe, country has to be divided and give to LTTE..
All the LTTE supporters here,, you can use your vote for him and all the Sri Lankan (Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim) people has to started a campaign against him to defeat this kind of Singhala LTTE's.
Still the CID's were not able to showcase the document evidence for This type of Singhala terrorist and now it has been shifted to our shoulders to make any kind of action to stop these Sinhala LTTE's.
http://defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090216_06
artilerry
lankadeepa must be using a file photo as the first one
Vrey good points Mango. Hope your points are taken seriously.
JWick,
What did you ask?
I like people who don't mince their words. But in politics it is rediculous not to be tactful and diplomatic. GR was not busted by BCC but busted by him self. We need to realise that the war is not only waged in SL but also in the international arena.
It is important to handle pressure and keep the nerve not only in the field but also with the media. I think GR lost his nerve and lost the media battle. How sad. We need to learn from our mistakes. (I am critical of him but mark my words, it is not treason. Its only because I respect this man.)
Yes. Hold your green flags and blame the poor youth from the southern villages.
pete
wats up..
gladiator,
Many things.
gladiator,
What's down?
tell us few
pete
[What's down?]
LTTE
agreed?? ya
gladiator said...
tell us few
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You are too young to know.
gladiator said...
pete
[What's down?]
LTTE
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I don't want to ruin your day.
try me
Samanthi,
"...All the LTTE supporters here,, you can use your vote for him and all the Sri Lankan (Sinhala, Tamil, Muslim) people has to started a campaign against him to defeat this kind of Singhala LTTE's...."
Welcome to the Blog. Why waste tiime campaign against him. No one shouldn't mention his name. Evne that will give him some publicity.
Please note that these chaps need more negative publicity to get Dollars and attention from Western bosses.
So just forget him.
Any idea how many 152 mm artillery guns LTTE had / has?
Pete
[You are too young to know...]
its becoming dark now so its time for listne to a fairy tail from an old man bfor go to bed
I cannot notice 58 in Army.lk map
While in defence.lk
Which one is correct? Is defence.lk having communication breaks again !!
just watched 10.10pm news..
Rama reports that ICRC officials had mislead civilians saying there would be a ship waiting for them in Chalai..
perein..
DLK map is correct
DW/Guys
From the NATION
Col. G.V. Ravipriya, in charge of Mannar area, was appointed head of this new Division designated Task Force VIII. As a Brigade Commander of 57 Division, Col. Ravipriya led his Brigade in the capture of the last enemy defence lines outside Kilinochchi. He was redeployed to the battlefield through the 59 Division and Task Force IV, when the LTTE launched a short lived bloody offensive to drive back forces to Oddusudan from the southern outskirts of Pudukudyirippu
Troops pushed back to oddusuddan??..whats this all about?
Renegade
[ Troops pushed back to oddusuddan??..whats this all about?]
LTTEs intention was that but never succeeded.. It was a bloody batle
Mango,
Agree with your analysis in full.
GSL is of the notion that "eventually the truth will come out".
Yes, the key word is EVENTUALLY; and this could mean even 30 years, like the time that took us to expose the LTTE for what it is.
There are many people willing to sacrifice time for the service of the nation. But the our leadership is not that interested to make use of those people. This is what I feel.
Plot to burn civilians by pussycats
Good one for the "genocide" criers.
Duzz,
Thanks bro.
Janaka Perera Investigation
What a tragedy!!! It is not fair how these crooks treated a decorated war hero. Not only they betrayed the nation, but also they were so ungrateful.
BlackPanther, Rover,
Glad you agree. Is anyone listening or taking note of the current PR debacle or have their got their hands full with the military situation?
Do they understand how it looks from outside Sri Lanka?
If it's the latter, a competent person from this huge cabinet must be made responsible for co-ordinating the media response to the outside world.
And also to ensure that GR is properly trained on how to handle to media.
Are we talking about same UN and BBC ??
Tamil Tigers 'target civilians'
Peter,
Did you search high and low for that Tamil Pregnant suicide bomber?
Nuwara ELiya Pref Votes
Note:
- 5/7 are tamil in UNP
- Only 3/9 are tamil in UPFA
- CWC is the biggest looser, as it seems
- SB bro leads the UPFA
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Kandy pref votes
Note:
- Lohan Rathwatte is in the third place in UPFA. A much spoken character.
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K'gala pref votes
Note:
- 4/9 UNPers are Muslim
Sujeewa,
Jayawewwaa Okkotama :)
Peter,
Doing a runner again?
Why SL Tamils shouldn't deserve any sort of power sharing in Sri Lanka?
I can list over 50 million reasons.
The Tamils in TN and TN politics are a liability for Tamils in SL to receive any sort of political settlement.
We can't afford for SL Tamils to share TN madness with Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka is not a LOGICAL place for the next Tamil Homeland.
Mango, Thanks.
"If it's the latter, a competent person from this huge cabinet must be made responsible for co-ordinating the media response to the outside world."
This can be facilitated by having a site to update those who are willing to write about the core issues that are imminently inimical to the GSL and the preservation of humanity/democracy in Sri Lanka.
While a couple of people from the government can give out interviews (talk to the media), others can write articles and counter the spread of LTTE's false propaganda.
RC, I left a comment on your blogspot.
Defence Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa said that LTTE’s top ranks will seek political asylum after escaping via established human smuggling networks.
“They can go to Australia, for example. Who knows Soosai or Pottu Amman there? You just give any name and say the Sri Lankan government burned my house and all those things, and you are there -- you are in Australia,” Mr. Rajapaksa told Reuters news agency.
The UN said one staff member had been forcibly recruited into the rebels and demanded his immediate release.
lol.
Balloth ekka nidagaththanam makkoth ekka nagitapan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7893201.stm
[[Sujeewa Kokawala said...
Janaka Perera Investigation
What a tragedy!!! It is not fair how these crooks treated a decorated war hero. Not only they betrayed the nation, but also they were so ungrateful.]]
There are two different stories in two web sites.
1. Somebody has given a contract to LTTP.
http://www.lankadeepa.lk/2009/02/16/front_news/05.htm
2. LTTP has given a contract to somebody.
http://www.lankaenews.com/Sinhala/news.php?id=8018
Countering LTTE propaganda
Here's an easy one for the GOSL spokespeople to mention at every available opportunity when facing Western media. The unarguably racist nature of the LTTE's demands and outcome in the areas it wishes to control.
Lesson 1:
The LTTE is nothing more than a racist supremacist organisation intent on creating an ethnically cleansed area for its 'own people'.
It's no different from any white racist supremacist organisation like the BNP (in UK), Aryan Nations (USA), Die Republikaner (Germany), with a major difference. The LTTE's heavy artillery, gunboats and suicide squads. Think of Pol Pot with a heavy admixture of nasty, virulent racism.
Please explain Western government and media support for the LTTE's racist ideology. It is the total antithesis of happy multiculturalism, the official doctrine of the 'enlightened' of the West. The GOSL for all its' many faults and sins is committed to maintaining a unitary, multi-ethnic republic.
I rarely see this argument made and sustained, by GOSL spokespeople, in exchanges with Western media.
Someone graciously maintained a National Traitors List here.
It is very important that we debate and maintain one.
Can you please publish the same and review?
We have to do this exercise every week to making sure that the list is up to date.
This list and surrounding information should be used to 'name and shame' these individuals.
Folks, I have updated my post on self-immolation to include more information from South India.
Death by Fire - Tigers' End-Game
As stated below I am a former LTTE intelligence wing cadre who defected from the organization in 2004 and currently operates independently from Colombo, Sri Lanka. I have been working on this paper since winter 2006 and decided to post on a blog since I saw an attempt by LTTE to circulate a false propaganda that internally displaced people in northern Sri Lanka are being sent to “internment camps” or as described on their own words as “concentration camps”.
But the truth is that the Sri Lankan Government has planned to open five welfare villages to house Tamils fleeing the last 100 square kilometers patch of jungle where the army has pinned down the remaining LTTE cadres who try to infiltrate liberated areas disguised as civilians. Therefore the security has to be paramount and it was the only way to prevent LTTE suicide attacks like the one that killed 20 soldiers and eight civilians on February 10, 2009. It is against this backdrop I have decided to publish this blog in order to disseminate the structure of the LTTE suicide killer squad known as the "LTTE Intelligence Wing" to the world.
Check it out
http://theltteinsider.blogspot.com/
another dream come true!
WARNING! fantastic pictures inside.
terrorists collapse in terror
any let up at this stage is disastrous. keep up the good work SLAF. may G~d bless you!
now toiletnet talks about cluster bombs OR fuel bombs. what bullshit is this?? how long we have been telling that the bimbs we used were not cluster bombs.
mango,
i partly disagree.
i have been INTERACTING with MANY foreign authorities via email mostly in the propoganda war. so i know EXACTLY what tickles them.
going to town with LTTE's racism is NOT going to work. what we should concentrate MORE is its VIOLENECE.
actually some countries, especially european countries have a different definition of racism. most of them agree with race-based partitioning of countries. in fact MOST european countries are just like that!!!
the other danger is we are invariably bundling LTTE with tamils. we should be doing the oppositte!!
violence, subhuman conduct, mono-ethnic enclaves, rejection of democracy, uncompromising stand, global terror network, child soldiers, suicide bombers, not integration with ppl of other races and the like are the ones to highlight.
also we should NOT have a politician in charge of countering foreign media. it should be IDEALLY paid foreign journalists. (just like how the LTTE operates).
ppl like paul harris, some good freelance journalists who agree with SL, etc. can be deployed to do it.
govt should give them info, facts & figures, research data, etc.
ABOVE ALL, GR MUST monitor what the hell they are writing. bcos the war strategy, phases of the war MUST go hand in hand with what is being reported.
Western countries must be careful now, as tiger asylum seekers can enter into their countries and these experienced ex-tigers can pass the knowledge to other terrorist organisations. Especially UK & Canada could be high risk of Tiger terrorist. So it is not only SL government duty to catch and rehabilitates tigers it’s global issue….
sujeewa,
thanks for the links.
"5/7 are tamil in UNP
- Only 3/9 are tamil in UPFA"
proves what hemantha was telling yesterday. about 33% are tamil in UPFA.
why so many herat (and senerat) in kurunegala??????
Sivanesan
Read my lips; NO federal solution.
Nada, illayi, nyet. No-way, Jose!
Whether tamils will invest in Sl or not will matter less than eradicating all possibilities for terrorism. With or without the terror supporters money, SL has always had enough to spare even for war..
Thanks, but no thanks! as Palin would say..
"Defence.lk confirms 59th division wiped out"
http://www.puligal.blogspot.com/
Moshe
The western countries are worried the suicide culture that is being violently demonstrated in public burnings will become attacks against host nations which chose not to heed the demands of their now domesticated tamil populations.
Any attacks on US soil will land everyone in a 'farm' like what the native indians and later the Japanese found themselves in at vearious times in history.
[[ Moshe Dyan said...
another dream come true!
WARNING! fantastic pictures inside.
terrorists collapse in terror
any let up at this stage is disastrous. keep up the good work SLAF. may G~d bless you!
now toiletnet talks about cluster bombs OR fuel bombs. what bullshit is this?? how long we have been telling that the bimbs we used were not cluster bombs.]]
OR.... is it another white phosphorus case?
/In October 1984, MGR was diagnosed with kidney failure; he was rushed to the U.S. for treatment, where his niece M.G.C.Leelavathy donated a kidney to him[citation needed]. Mass hysteria gripped Tamil Nadu and over 100 people attempted self-immolation. MGR died December 24, 1987 after his prolonged illness. His death sparked off a frenzy of looting and rioting all over the state of Tamil Nadu. Shops, movie theaters, buses and other public and private property became the target of violence let loose all over the state. The police had to resort issuing shoot-at-sight orders, something seldom seen or heard of in democratic India.[citation needed] The violence during the funeral alone left 29 people dead and 47 police personnel badly wounded. [3],[4] This state of affairs continued for almost a month all over the state of Tamil Nadu. Around one million[5] people followed his remains, around 30 followers committed suicide and lakhs of people had their heads tonsured.
# MR invites Ban Moon to visit north. Good or bad?
# SL FM still discuss about 'envoy' with UK FM. Good or bad?
# 'India will intervene if LTTE lays down arms'
/They must announce that they are willing to lay down arms and are prepared for talks. Simultaneously, the Sri Lankan Government should suspend its military offensive/
Good or bad? How to manage?
# Also, change in India stand comes after Solheim's India visit.
TS,
that would be cokking the goose. moderate tamils should force the extremists to stop this hysteria.
nice answer to sivathasan!!
ninja,
unbelievable!
what is the source???
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=71&artid=28428
has anyone seen these photoes,
Tamilnut claims they are 'cause of Combustable arti shels,
what's wrong in the picture
if arti was hit on this place..
1. a small tree unharmed in front of the bicycle.
2. the mound of paddy would not be there(2photo)
3.surrounding buildings are intact.
4. the buckets in the middle of the fire are still left standing. they even fall for a gust of wind but they dont seem to have fallen for a arti shel explotion.
5.no point of arti impact is shown
conclution.
these people were killed elsewhere/here and set afire by LTTE, since its said to have happened in the unliberated area.
what do u think?
See this Rama Report
Do we see a muslim female soldier? First time to see any.
SLDF is not only at a technical height, but also at a very vibrant ethnic variation these days.
source wikipedia
"India will Intervene if LTTE Lays Down Arms: Chidambaram"
we are in for another 1987.
so the difference between victory and defeat for SL lies in the LTTE which is a VERY dangerous situ.
in 1987 LTTE laid down arms. about 40% was handed over. it is no big deal to handover weapons in a few days.
by handing over weapons LTTE can lose the battle but win the war!!!!
if LTTE is planning to handover weapons, SL should immediately call for a chinese defence delegation to come down to the country immediately. india and china will NEVER confront eachother, NEVER. they will avoid it by mutual respect. SL can make use of it. china doesn't want ANY indian expansion. they will DETER it peacefully. but only if SL takes the initiative.
"India will Intervene if LTTE [shows will to] Lays Down Arms: Chidambaram"
Can't this be a drama by Fatpig? I always feared taht there would be a fake surrender.
GOSL, should make an ultimatum for "surrender" - a final date after which we do not accept it. It should not be a day after our possible capture of every land. It should be in 2-3 weeks. It should be published at highest, making every party well aware and talk about it.
Note the lay down of arms means loss of diaspora money. Pussycats can acquire them if they will to, on a later day. Self burning diaspora idiots will pay. In past few weeks they have been proving that they're the worst of even the tamil gene pool for absolute stupidity.
Nevertheless India and UK are causing a "genocide" here. With increasing pressure SLDF are left with no option but to intensify the operation.
Guys,
If LTTE agree to lay down arms SLDF can arrest all cadres including the leadership. No body can interfere with that. LTTE leadership cannot make demands right now. I they make any demand SLG can refuse to honour ceasefire. Then we will prosecute entire leadership for crimes they have committed and send them to prison where they will die due to rioting inmates. Also SLG should search and destroy all military assets hidden by them.
sujeewa,
nope.
it is india that should give an ultimatum bcos it is india that is now DIRECTLY demanding it.
india will never do that. they are playing the role of a scavenger. let SLDFs win the war, we will come and get what we want first (a federal SL with the extention of tamil nadu) and a permanant indian military presence here.
harry,
india has a SIMILAR demand from SL as well. SL should stop the war. i don't think GOSL will try to (and can) give it any creative interpretation.
Moshe,
SLG's position should be; If LTTE surrender by handing over arms, it is fine but no negotiations with LTTE. They will be arrested and prosecuted as I said before. SLG can negotiate with remaining Tamil leaders who are opposing LTTE. VP will never ever agree to surrender to SLDF, so we can continue the war.
Harry;
If LTTE agree to lay down arms SLDF can arrest all cadres including the leadership. No body can interfere with that. LTTE leadership cannot make demands right now. I they make any demand SLG can refuse to honour ceasefire. Then we will prosecute entire leadership for crimes they have committed and send them to prison where they will die due to rioting inmates. Also SLG should search and destroy all military assets hidden by them.
If pussycats lay down arms genuinely as they are cornered, well, you maybe right.
But if Pussycats "orchestrate" their own surrender - as a fake method to stop SLDF and revive on a later day - they will try methods to avoid persecution. If such a process is in place, that would include, complete pardon, allowing to move into politics, international safeguards etc. Such a plan would come out of the mouth of a foreign party, and Pussycats will first show reluctance [for fake] and finally "agree" to the plan "for the betterment" of affected ppl.
GOSL cannot afford for it to go on that far. By that point they will be bound for acceptance, and not harming pussycats afterward. A plan like that should be defeated at infantry stage - such as right now.
I think best solution is to declare an ultimatum for surrender, leaving death as only option after that point. The duration should be within the time that MI suggest as the period of double mind in pussycat leadership. As a part of that declaration GOSL can issue several other conditions, such as no parden, possible legal actions, rehabilitation plans, etc.
GOSL should make sure that theor claim has no relationship with India's, but an essential phase of defeating a terror movement. And its should be made clear that is is final and no negotiations at all .
Sujeewa,
It is better we stick to rigid policy here. No pardon for LTTE hierarchy what ever the out come, VP and complete surviving leadership must hand over all arms and surrender to SLDF. That should be the minimum. Even USA has said no negotiations with LTTE. No foreign country however powerful they ma be, can force SLG to pardon a murderous terrorists who have killed thousands of innocent civilians.
SLD should announce without delay LTTE must surrender unconditionally to SLDF to end the war. No foreign country should interfere with that and also requesting not provides safe shelter to tiger leadership.
Harry;
As long as we fiddle with "lay down arms" and "surrender", the rest of the wording such as "unconditionally", "no pardon" etc would be seen as possible negotiation items.
The reason is there are two "surrenders" being spoken about. One is the actual "capture" after military defeat, other is a goodwill gesture for negotiations. Sadly one is miss interpreted as other deliberately.
What I want to see is an ultimatum for all this discussion. I strongly believe it should have been in the past. But never too late.
After the given day, there should NOT be any talk in the town for "negotiation", "lay down of weapons", "pardon" etc. Only options should be either captured and persecuted or get killed. A date of ultimatum is needed to assert the rule. Informing IC of their inability to mediate after D-Day is a part of the process.
looks like there is some confusion.
it is about the INDIAN govt asking LTTE to surrender weapons ON THEIR CONDITIONS NOT the SL govt or SL conditions.
there is a BIG difference between GOSL demanding this and GOI demanding this. the indian govt is NOT taking instructions from the SL govt!!!
their demand for the LTTE is DIRECT, INDEPENDANT (from GOLS) and BASED ON THEIR conditions (not ours) these conditions include GOSL to stop the war.
don't get confused.
it doesn't matter if GOSL AGAIN asks LTTE to surrender weapons or not. that is bullshit and irrelevant for india. india is NOT going to give a rat's arse about GOSL's demands from the LTTE. that is the EXACT reason why india has asked LTTE to do so without going through GOSL NOW.
this change in the indian policy comes after that sakkiliya toured india. this is subtle yet a BIG shift.
i can see an iceberg ahead.
Moshe,
I agree with you but cease fire should come from both sides, SLDF and LTTE. If we do not stop firing LTTE will fire back. Even if LTTE agrees to any damn thing with India SLDF should keep on attacking until LTTE surrender the way we want.
Worst for us is Indians to send their naval force to evacuate LTTE leadership by force. If they want to take them away it is fine but VP will not agree to go away.
VP wants to stay in SL and negotiate before complete annihilation. SLG should not negotiate with LTTE and must insist prosecution and punishing for crimes.
moshe,
we can always bank on the ego of our reliable foe never to accept such condition. it would hardly matter the condition is laid down by lk on in. jaffna ego wont allow them to be seen as cowing down to any demand. this is ok, because it will make it easy for the govt to nuke the remaining crap from the eelam fantasy without any pressure from anyone.
harry,
exactly!
but still GOSL will not be able to make their demands to india.
that's another point you are making. india has already demanded vezapillai and we rejected it. this position will also change india's way.
we have to balance india's weight in our favour. this is never ending if we continue to pin ALL our hopes on mother india. after all we are dealing with motherfcukers!!!
SK says
[And its should be made clear that is is final and no negotiations at all .]
This is my position as well.
It is time for us to live up to the memories of those who sacrificed their lives for LTTE.
LTTE and Diaspora have lived upto the memories of their perished carders and took us on this joy ride.
LTTE and any dreams Diaspora having in Sri Lanka must end now. We let you work on your dreams during last 30 years and next 50 years should belong to us.
panhinda,
that (ego) is what we are banking on right now.
but for how long???
there will be a time when vezapilai will realise it is better to survive and start all over again than die with the project.
don't forget india will not fight with the LTTE after surrendering weapons. if they do, tamil nadu will boil over just 3 months to the election!!!
Renegade said...
Troops pushed back to oddusuddan??..whats this all about?
Brother, during the first week of this month (February, 2009), there was a counterattack by the LTTE against Div 59, largely by Black Tiger suicide cadre, to push Div 59 back towards Oddusuddan. This was a very optimistic goal well beyond the capabilities of the attacking units. This attack was backed up by an armored lorry serving as an APC that was destroyed by main battle tank fire after an SLA soldier manning a Recoilless Gun failed to be sufficiently alert to stop it. The LTTE 'APC' was destroyed killing 34 Tigers inside it, and the supporting LTTE units withdrew after it was destroyed. The thrust to push Div 59 "back to Oddusuddan" never got close to doing that. There were about 33 SLA troops killed during that attack, but the thrust was quickly halted with very high Tiger casualties, with the support of Div 53 units as well.
This was discussed earlier at this blog. I had predicted a counterattack on Div 59, as the most vulnerable unit threatening the most strategically important assets of the LTTE, much earlier, before the fall of Kilinochchi, Paranthan, N-M-K and EPS. From LTTE's viewpoint,the counter attack in the first week of February was too little, too late. The release and redeployment of SLA troops from Divs 55 and 53 to the Southern front, created defense-in-depth in the Oddusuddan-Mulisyaweli-Mullaitivu area, and took the opportunity away from the LTTE.
panhinda,
the difference is IF LTTE surrenders to the indian call, thereafter it is the indian conditions that apply. BTW india has stated it already VERY clearly to SL.
if LTTE listens to a GOSL's call to surrender, it does so on GOSL terms.
(it doesn't matter who 'receives' surrendered weapons).
LTTE will NEVER EVER surrender on GOSL terms.
and india will not care about SL's demands which cannot be enforced against india.
Guys,
India will not use force against SL this time. No matter what type of cry LTTE or any other does. Their concern is civilians. This is a hostage situation and negotiations will not make much difference as long as LTTE is there.
LTTE must be eliminated completely to achieve long lasting peace. This is what we should sell to India and IC.
ananda,
need a favour from you.
there's a friend of mine who is training SL youth living abraod to counter LTTE propoganda. they lack info sources.
when you write comments to the economist, etc., can you also copy them to a blog that contains ONLY your comments (and stuff you think relevant)??? not comments like here. so that it will have a repository of info.
you can easily create a blog in blogspot. after that it is a matter of pasting.
the context doesn't really matter.
moshe,
/*
there will be a time when vezapilai will realise it is better to survive and start all over again than die with the project.
*/
the track record thus far with indo-lk pact and later in 2002 cfa was that negotiations in the background made it possible. they know demanding LTTE to commit to give up weapons beforehand would destry negotiations. there was never any demand publicly by india for ltte to lay down weapons.
now they have realised there is no point in discussing with LTTE and hence demand for lay down weapons. both india and ltte have locked themselves into positions that are so diametrically opposite there can be no progress. so what if Vezha decides to start at a later date? he will still have to abide by the condition laid down both by lk and in and give up weapons.
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don't forget india will not fight with the LTTE after surrendering weapons. if they do, tamil nadu will boil over just 3 months to the election!!!
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this is ok too. ltte without weapons are a toothless tiger. whitevans can still operate even though conventional ops have stopped. once they have no control of land and given up weapons the game will be over.
/*
the difference is IF LTTE surrenders to the indian call, thereafter it is the indian conditions
*/
lets assume for a minute LTTE surrenders weapons on indian condition. so what? its would still leave an orgainsation that cannot unleash terror as a bargaing tool. its another means to our end. so its still ok.
the only problem i can think of is once ltte is deemed to have met the in or lk condition, another military force like the TNA (tamil national army) is not spawned by indian RAW to maintain a 'staratergic ally' in lk as proposed by the likes of ex-raw Raman.
Moshe,
India cannot force any settlement with LTTE to SLG unless they agree to our conditions. We will agree to a speedy political solution with Tamils leadership without LTTE. India should hand over leadership back to us for prosecution.
India and Norway should give us not less than US$10 billion as compensation to damages caused by initiatives launched by India and Norway in the past, if they want us to agree.
Moshe Dayan said...
their demand for the LTTE is DIRECT, INDEPENDANT (from GOLS) and BASED ON THEIR conditions (not ours) these conditions include GOSL to stop the war.
don't get confused.
Moshe, you are 100% correct.
This is yet another rescue operation by the Govt. of India (GOI) to give new lease of life to the LTTE in a "political solution"setting and to rescue its leadership. If you read the GOI statement carefully, "a ceasefire and negotiations" is an integral part of the "laying down arms." No GOI conditions should be accepted by the GOSL; ENOUGH of other countries intefering in Sri Lanka's internal affairs!
The GOSL should only accept DIRECTLY from the LTTE, without the mediation of 3rd Parties:
1. Unconditional surrender by laying down arms and surrendering the LTTE cadre.
2. LTTE leaders to be subjected to criminal prosecution and punishment on a case by case basis, for war crimes as in the war crimes trials of Nuremburg after WW-II, for criminal activities against individuals, and for treason against the state.
3. Prohibition of the LTTE as a national organization in perpetuity.
Other measures to follow should include:
A. TNA MPs & NGOs to be investigated for ANTI-NATIONAL activities infringing on the Protection against Terrorism and Sedition Acts.
B. All organizations, political and otherwise, with names implying separatism and communalism to be prohibited, and prosecuted for Anti-National activities. These should include people who invite intervention by foreign countries and organizations in Sri Lanka WITHOUT LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY PARLIAMENT OR ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY THE GOSL. Oliver Cromwell cut off King Charles's head for arranging an Irish Catholic Army to invade England.
[See this Rama Report
Do we see a muslim female soldier? First time to see any.
SLDF is not only at a technical height, but also at a very vibrant ethnic variation these days.]
Let there be more reports like this. We need to flood broadband from images like this to neutralize LTTE propaganda.
Moshe Dayan said..
you can easily create a blog in blogspot. after that it is a matter of pasting.
Done, brother. I will post the details to you as soon as it is setup. I will work on it ASAP. :)
@koombiya
[ conclution.
these people were killed elsewhere/here and set afire by LTTE, since its said to have happened in the unliberated area.]
If LTTE is capable of kidnapping children, it is a piece of cake for them to burn Tamil citizens alive to discredit govt.
Remember lamp post days (Can someone bring up old pictures) when LTTE showed the world how to treat the dead Tamils they killed?
ananda,
fantastic.
also please take the effort to sort things into "folders" or whatever that makes similar stuff close by.
depending on the success we can expand it to a ONE STOP SHOP for all info needs of patriots around the world.
its the same BS that LTTE fronts use against us over and over again.
Moshe Dayan said...
"India will Intervene if LTTE Lays Down Arms: Chidambaram"
we are in for another 1987.
so the difference between victory and defeat for SL lies in the LTTE which is a VERY dangerous situ.
in 1987 LTTE laid down arms. about 40% was handed over. it is no big deal to handover weapons in a few days.
by handing over weapons LTTE can lose the battle but win the war!!!!
if LTTE is planning to handover weapons, SL should immediately call for a chinese defence delegation to come down to the country immediately. india and china will NEVER confront eachother, NEVER. they will avoid it by mutual respect. SL can make use of it. china doesn't want ANY indian expansion. they will DETER it peacefully. but only if SL takes the initiative.
Moshe, Again, I agree 100%.
This situation has the complete potential to unravel everything achieved to date by this war of liberation.
AND, the ONLY way to forestall this FORVEVER is to invite a CHINA to send a delegation for discussions on a defense and development treaty.
India does not seem to understand that we Sri Lankans don't want to live in fear FOREVER of our lives and our freedoms, because of their big-brother interference.
Moshe Dayan said...
also please take the effort to sort things into "folders" or whatever that makes similar stuff close by.
depending on the success we can expand it to a ONE STOP SHOP for all info needs of patriots around the world.
Will do. Also, will require sign-in (to eliminate Fakes and protect source), and will provide an trusted-admin list as well.
panhinda,
"the only problem i can think of is once ltte is deemed to have met the in or lk condition, another military force like the TNA (tamil national army) is not spawned by indian RAW to maintain a 'staratergic ally' in lk as proposed by the likes of ex-raw Raman."
at last, mate!!
this nullifies all your other optimistic assumptions.
this is THE danger. and as you fear this danger is HERE TO STAY and there is NOTHING SL can do about it!!!
also there is no reason why LTTE cadres cannot be in the "TNA".
india doesn't want an independant tamil elam here. what mother india wants is a SUCKLING to suck her milky breasts forever!!!
in creating another tamil nadu in SL, india will have 2 sucklings, the other being SL!!!!
china did this to burma. russia tried to do it to afghanistan and got screwed. australia did this to ET. india tried it once in SL and it will not be the last.
moshe,
wait there is always hope. a RAW intrusion in only possible if its allowed to do so. its can only be possible on how much support Raman's view get within the indian establishment. this is why the govt and our own diplomatic corps, special forces, internal and external intelligence ops must step in and take on a bigger role after conventional army has done its duty. national security does not stop at the end of LTTE. its about eternal vigilance for any foe that can destabalise economically, militarity and politically the nation within and without.
only caveat though, whatever we do from now on must be done without making any noice ala JHU/JVP. we must allow for a reasonable diplomatic response to be answered first before going further.
Thanks to Sivanesan for summarizing the plight of the Tamils. Till the government ends discrimination against minorities and treats every Sri Lankan equally, Sri Lanka will not have peace.
The war is being won. But are we winning the hearts of minds of the minorities?
moshe,
let assume RAW creates another tamil army within the borders of lk. what net benefit will it offer to indian intersts? going by its track record, we know tamil violence can go totally out of control. in the end its the tamils in NE that will bear the brunt of the violence. this will lead to more destabalisation in TN and therefore hurt indian interests also.
india will only benefit if the majority Sinhalese feel secure in their own homeland and when they prosper. it is only when the majority Sinhalese feel secure, they will only likely to treat tamils any better. so in the end the political solution has to answer Sinhala aspirations first. it is only when Sinhala aspirations are answered, indian interests will be secured.
Raman is a moron. We need to show Raman and other morons like him can only damage Indian interests. now all we need is someone who can coney this message to the right people at the diplomat level.
Lanka Weed;
Thanks to Sivanesan for summarizing the plight of the Tamils.
In the contrary he never did. Sivanesan was asking for a solution to a problem which he never stated. I would like to see the problem description first. Since he failed that, and you seem to understand Sivanesan's cry for unknown cause, I hope you can explain the Problem
Till the government ends discrimination against minorities and treats every Sri Lankan equally, Sri Lanka will not have peace.
There is a war against terrorists. Since most terrorists are tamil and active in tamil majority regions, tamils face lots of problems. Needless to say that it is not only tamils, but also other races.So it is a collective plight of all Sri Lankans due to terrorism.
But there has not been a deliberate discrimination against tamils right now in SL.
The war is being won. But are we winning the hearts of minds of the minorities?
Objective of a war is to take control over a malicious segment. Winning hearts is not an objective of war. You can't engage in combat with popular gallery clap rounds. War decisions are rather dynamic and mostly compelled to make.
Winning hearts is a gradual process in the aftermath. What need is winning the hearts of people in the affected regions, not the politicians, theoreticians, expatriots or international peace hawks. Seeing how MR won the hearts of most [of all races] who didn't support him priorly, I am confident he can win the hearts of Wanni ppl.
Moshe- "there's a friend of mine who is training SL youth living abraod to counter LTTE propoganda. they lack info sources."
While 100% agree to Sri Lanka and Sri Lankan, I read here the comments to update and lean myself with infromation and/aguments about Sri lankan affairs.
It will be a very good thing to have all the infromation at one place, if posible I would like to have access to them.
Moshe, Ananda, et al, let me know the posibility.
Lanka Weeps said...
Thanks to Sivanesan for summarizing the plight of the Tamils.
The war is being won. But are we winning the hearts of minds of the minorities?
All Sivanesan demonstrated was how the so-called "plight" is nothing more than "we don't feel right until we get what we want, regardless of whether the demands are fair or not, hence why don't you just give it". He just mentioned few problems, and said they will magically vanish when they get the power. That kind of solutions are either bribing or ransom. It's not any different from a demand of a kid crying on the position that if given ice cream, he'd feel good and stop crying. Does the "plight" of Colombo and up country become alright when there's a tamil-run federal government in north?
And don't be in a hurry to say "we". You are clearly another separatist in a peacenik clothing, who wants to get through "decent" appeals what LTTE couldn't get through violence. Not bearing arms doesn't justify your separatism or greed.
mohe,
also i must say, fear and anger should not guide the nation into the furture. a fort-knox mentality can be damaging and we become less open and tolerant. we need to strike a balance between maintaining national security and weaving a national fabric that ultimately unite all under one flag.
this also means end to waste and curruption even if it comes from the highest level. there are certain things that we should NOT tolertate giving national security as an excuse.
panhinda,
"it is only when Sinhala aspirations are answered, indian interests will be secured."
not at all!! quite the opposite.
in fact these two plus sri lankan aspirations verses indian aspirations are ever conflicting on the "tamil aspirations in SL" matter.
best e.g. is indo lanka peace accord.
there were violent protests, curfew, total absentism by all the politicians except JRJ and ronnie, even rajiv was assaulted.
a classic case of contradictory aspirations of SL and india on the matter under discussion.
if needed india can totally disregard sinhala aspirations and do whatever it wants and nothing will happen. this is the danger YOU sighted b4. BRA-MAN is only one mouthpiece.
BRAMAN is a moron but he VERY MUCH LOVES india. the fact that he is taking the effort to write to sri lankan media continously leaves many things to be suspected.
agree with the rest.
tamilelam weeps (and bleeds),
sri lanka has done enough to win the hearts & minds of "minorities".
it is time they win the hearts and minds of sri lanka and fellow sri lankans.
as you know it is a two way process.
if after 26 years of free education, free hospitals, free fertilizer, free GA service, sometimes free food, etc. with no taxpayments cannot win their hearts, NOTHING ever can win them.
in that case SL should quit trying to win unwinnable hearts and invest that money in winning winnerbale hearts.
if unwinnable miserable hearts try to create trouble, we know how to bleed them to death.
start winning our hearts and minds first!!!! at least we funded your free education, free hospitals, free fertilizer, free GA service, sometimes free food, etc. without charging you tax.
"Not bearing arms doesn't justify your separatism or greed."
ela kiri.
even if you are armed we really don't care!!!!!
Some more tactical donations of heavy artilary guns
Now Sri Lanka is on the threshold of defeating the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) - due both to grave miscalculation by the LTTE and success by the military
:) grave miscalculation
Ninja macho,
SF@LNP is a liar who likes attention.
dont fall to his posts.
From July 2006, the military began to evict the LTTE from the areas it controlled.
It first controlled the coasts so the LTTE could not land supplies.
Innovative battlefield strategies helped, including special-forces teams operating in enemy territory to disrupt the Tigers' mobility.
Ultimately, though, the LTTE could not resist the army's advance due to ammunition shortages.
The LTTE's survival is now completely dependent on the survival of its elusive leader, Velupillai Prabakran.
Yet even if he survives, perhaps in exile, the LTTE as a conventional force has been completely annihilated. -THE ISLAND/ASIA NEWS NETWORK
Sri Lanka's NDB Bank takes controlling stake in Bangladesh bank
Hello Rover - Your story about self imolation is excellent, I very much enjoyed reading it. Please write more articles. I too went to the protest in London and saw the trouble the LTTE supporters did.
Rover - I wrote another message on your site.
This is another attempt that tamilnet try to mislead the readers.
http://tj-29.blogspot.com/2009/02/sricom-crash-of-ltte-proof-from.html
Sri Lankan military is prevailing in the war on terror' says Wall Street Journal
http://tj-29.blogspot.com/2009/02/sri-lankan-military-is-prevailing-in_16.html
I think great nations are created and carved by great leaders. leaders inspire their followers to reach dream that the leader saw in the past. The success of the leader is the effectiveness of transcending his dreams to those who follow! so they get inspired.
Leaders may be correct or wrong, base on the measurement platform used and the yard stick. So anything and everything can be critically discussed. Nothing wrong with it except the progress of massive nature can happen only there are more followers than leaders.
This gives rise to a another conclusion that if people do not question and follow (even if they did not see the dream of their leader) things will happen (at least for the leader. But we call this slavery (perhaps) or non democracy
Therefore The challenge would be to bring everyone together see the same dream and work for it to realize it. Then Serendipity - happens!!
Thanks you for your comments folks..!
http://sanercomic.blogspot.com
Frost : LTTE used to hold 15,000 sq now down to 150 sq.
Tamil Forum : even KLA and others, nobody controlled land during liberation. we must give credit to tamil leadership for holding on to land so far.
Frost : but they virtually got none (no land) left im afaraid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vY_UzeCn38
Most of the time i think, reason for LTTE's success where they had succeeded,
heavy machineguns...
isn't it DefenceWire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mEBvzjjwaQ
peaking for the Conservatives, Liam Fox, the shadow Foreign Secretary said the appointment of Des Browne, a former Defence Secretary, as Gordon Brown’s special envoy, without Sri Lanka’s approval was a further example of the incompetence of the British prime minister.
One complete LTTE 130mm artillery gun found - Puthukkudyiruppu west
This is good. Thanks Die Ass Pora!
Moshe Dyan,
I agree with u all the way.
it'all about TAMIL.
TAMIL ASPIRATIONS, TAMIL GRIEVANCES, TAMIL HOMELAND, TAMIL HEARTS etc, on & on & on till infinity. totally mono ethnic ghetto mindset.
don't the sinhala people have the same? at least to live in north east like how tamils live in colombo or live without being bombed.
all these coolie offshoots whine all the time about these while massacaring sinhala & muslims with machettes & bombs at will & faking recorded history.
indian strategies will take a different turn after mumbai massacare & the new chinese, pakistan, iran & sri lanka alliances.
i think they have realised that sponsoring tamil terrorism doesn't pay. they'll certainly lose the only neighbour who's genuine towards it if they kept on supporting nadu dirt.
india always have to play a tricky balancing act.
but the recent massive indian military budget hike is definitely a response to these new developments & alliances. so we better be careful & be strong while being diplomatic.
at the moment all countries in this region have increased their military budgets.
seems that big governments, govt spending, big armies etc are back in vogue.(even in the heart of capitalism, the USA).
the latest newsweek cover says-
WE ARE ALL SOCIALIST.
never thought the day would come when newsweek would say a thing like that.
[Frost : but they virtually got none (no land) left im afaraid.]
Good discussion... RB has improved a lot over the time...
Moshe, Sujeewa, Ananda-USA, Harry Potter,
I have been quietly following this new development and your strings as well on "India's change of stand". Prior to that Co-chairs and other interested parties came to the party. India came last.
I agree 100% with Moshes observation - INDIA IS TALKING and TALKING directly to LTTE not to GoSL. Very similar to 1987.
We must change our stand. We must send signals to INDIA and the so called IC - using what ever the covert and overt means available to us for them to see,
1. Governments handle depends on a popular social and political movement to crush LTTE.
2. If this government’s arm is twisted in betraying that, then people of SL would/should opt for a Military take over until LTTE is taken out of the map.
3. If India lining-up to rape our sovereignty in doing so, then people of Sri Lanka must demand for China/Rassia to be part of the deal.
4. Emphasise this approach would put thousands of Tamil lives at risk not only in Wanni but also in other parts of Sri Lanka where 2.1 mill Tamils live in harmony.
WE MUST NEVER STOP THIS WAR UNTIL LTTE IS “Unconditionally” IRRADICATED.
India is the wildcard in Sri Lanka's quest to eliminate the LTTE. Indian policy towards Sri Lanka is the equivalent of a bull in the China shop. There is no telling what their politicians will do in the run-up to the Lok Sabha elections or in the aftermath of those elections that will impact Sri Lanka. Therefore, it is is Sri Lanka's best interest
to wrap up military operations long before those elections are held.
These are some of the things that are happening in India at the moment.
- Prime Minister Manmohan Singh appears to be incapacitated to a large extent after his quintuple heart by-pass operation. This is his second major by-pass operation.
- After Manmohan's incapacitation, Pranap Mukherjee has become a major player in Congress and
has taken on the finance portfolio in addition to his foreign policy portfolio (During the 1980s when Indira Gandhi was arming and creating Tamil militant groups in Sri Lanka, Paranab Mukerjee was the Foreign Minister)
- For the last few years and especially now before the elections, India seems to be going through the Hindu equivalent of Talibanisation. This is where
politics have taken on a religious twist and become radicalized. The saffron brigades of the BJP who who are the Indian equivalent of the mullahs are breathing fire promising to build a Hindu temple on the site of the ayodya mosque which they demolished back in the 1990s. On valentines day, in the southern city of Mangalore some of these elements went to clubs and night clubs and harassed and beat up young couples and girls.
Advani, the leader of the BJP, who played a major role in Babri Majid demolition now goes around wearing an orange turban breathing fire. The BJP is claiming that the Congress government is soft on Pakistan and Islamic extremism.
- Not to be out done by the BJP, the Congress Government today announced that the national defense budget will be raised by a whopping 34% over last year.
- Mayawathi, the Dalit (untouchable)lady who is the Chief Minister of the most populous state, and who is hailed as India's Obama, seems to have crash landed and may be on her way out. She has got caught fraternizing with some criminal elements and is also involved in a major financial scandal.
Thankfully Sri Lanka will soon have a strong central government lead by President Rajapake. My predication is that India will continue to be saddled with another weak coalition government with the likes of the DMK or AIDMK that will continue to blackmail their coalition partners on matters concerning Sri Lanka.
Guys you can see the latest trend that LTTE try to bury the weapons aggressively and SLA try to dig and taking those.
What is LTTE mind is they will say soon they are laying down arms with the hope suspension of SLA activities.
After that they want to take that weapons when they needed. This is exactly they have done in 1987.
But our guys have learnt the lesson and this time this wont happen.
At the end of the day India do not like to see Sri Lanka as a peaceful country.
They need conflicts to be continue in SL.
I have to admire that MR guidance and his bravery. He withstands all the pressure from all the fronts. It is incredible. I have not seen any leader like that.
For LTTE it is spent force now. Now Kuppilankulam also gone it is shrinking to less than 100 Square KM.
India is acting like a super power but they forget they have many issues in the country where they are miserably failing
Saman,
India is under tremendous pressure from certain factions to take action to save civilians and some factions asking India to save LTTE. India do not like to interfere this time directly bus asking us to help Indian government to win the next election which is only 2-3 months away.
Whatever happened, I don’t think India will use force against SL like in 1987. I may be wrong. Whatever happened we should continue the war until LTTE is completely annihilated.
If they try to use force against us, we should call Pakistan, China and other friendly countries to help us. However, India will not dare to invade us but can exercise aggressive pressure by sending naval force down to Mulative sea to stop offensives against LTTE. If that is the case we may stop the offensives but will not take our forces back and military grip should continue to limit LTTE to smaller area until civilians are taken out.
at the moment indian intervention is highly unlikely. LTTE will never lay down arms. also congress party will not bail out rajiv killers officially although certain people make statements.
if somehow india intervenes in the end it'll make sri lankan sinhala buddhists a permanent enemy of india. this time it'll really be permanent.
it won't come cheap. india will pay a massive price.
Velu P,
I agree with you there. If they interfere this time using force to keep LTTE off the hook. India is going to pay a heavy price.
If Tamils can do terrorism, so do Sinhalese too, even better than Tamils do. Therefore, India has to tread carefully this time with SL issue and they know that too. Possible war with Pakistan and internal terrorism problems will keep India at check!
Organic Food - Make our citizens healthier and wealthier
There are lot of people who are working on these stuff. Even I myself has invested some time and money on Organic Foods, However the local market is not the place yet for someone to aim for.
We need to look at organic food for exports, where there is enough interest.
At end of the day - we used to eat only Free Range EGGS, when we were small. Look at us where we are now!
So to transform back (I think it should be for the health reasons - more than anything where our percentage of Cancer patients are going high as the contamination levels are going higher as well), first it needs to be economically viable.
I have some friends who are inspired on Bio Farming, but have not being able to make it profitable. My own experiment was for our consumption which also had some issues on insects etc,.
So I guess this to be successful, there are two ingredients missing
1. market to sell (I think this is where our Diaspora can help )
2. knowledge (our old farmers had this, but the ones who are interested in this is not those people, so we need some help to fill the gap)
I will post some information about older knowledge on fertilizer and insects soon. I am still collecting more information.
http://sanercomic.blogspot.com
SanErComic - Comics for economics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics
Comic master,
This is not the time for organic food or farming discussions. No offence mate but you are out of line, I think.
Please don't attack me, if you do, I will hide under the bed.
Sanercomic said:
>>> SanErComic - Comics for economics
Sanercomic,
are you related in anyway to the column "ආර්ථික විහිලු" that ran on Divaina sometime back? I liked it, and the guy who wrote it had ideas similar to yours on a truly national economy.
Some civilians say that only "Nada "left in Vanni
http://www.lankadeepa.lk/2009/02/17/front_news/02.htm
Hiru,
Buddy, don’t believe it. VP will not leave his promising kingdom for nothing. They are all there. One or two may die on the way but they will be there, take my word for it. However, SLA should accelerate the attack under international pressure because time is running out for SLDF. SLAF should pulverise LTTE leadership quickly before IC pressure mounting against us.
moshe,
/*
best e.g. is indo lanka peace accord.
there were violent protests, curfew, total absentism by all the politicians except JRJ and ronnie, even rajiv was assaulted.
*/
i guess we may have to agree to disagree on this but hear me out.
indo-lanka certainly did cave into tamil aspirations at the cost of the vast majority. it was a vastly different world then. its just been 4 years since 83 riots and the entire world including india had a lot of goodwill towards tamils on top of indian security concerns. tamils had a head start on the propaganda. the riots and these other factors collectively tipped the balance in favor of tamils. tamil leadership including Amirthalingam et al were all along clamoring for something like this to happen and they finally got it because of JRJ miscalculation.
the additional goodwill the world had for the grieiving tamils are now non-existant. now the world only sees a bunch of conniving lunatics. what is left now is only indian security concerns. they try yet again to tip on their favor with the fake 'genocide' cry but everyone knows the game now unlike 87.
indians then did not realise WHAT HAPPENS AFTER giving into tamil aspirations. how can a solution that is detested by the vast majority be sustainable? how can a solution that goes against the very nature of how humans behave and undemocratic work in the long run?
so sure, the indians can shove down Sinhala throats something that most dont like. but they might as well station an army battalion indefinelty to prop it up. it will not be sustained otherwise. they must by now realise allowing demorcatic rights of the majority Sinhala is less costly and more beneficial in the long run than caving into greedy tamil aspirations in the short term. i know it sounds sill when india must entertain 70 million tamils in their backyard. but logically, their long term security rests on keeping Sinhalese happy.
Moshe,
Check your e-mail. The blog is ready.
Harry Potter,
india will lose everything if they interfere at the last minute.
it'll lead to an inevitable chain of events.
india will overnight be our enemy no.1 & we should recall our ambasador. after all what have we got to lose? everything will be back to quare 1 if LTTE is given oxygen now. sri lanka will pay heavily again.
there will be an underground insurgency against indian assets. their assets here will overnight turn into liabilities. their businessman will be the losers.
we will consider india a more hostile & unpredictable enemy than LTTE. their reputation will be mud.
sinhala will completely stop importing indian goods from sarees to motor cars. a multi billion $ loss for india. FTA will be as good as dead. who wants to buy goods from a hostile nation?
we will slash duty & buy chinese & pakistani goods. their will be unprecedented cooperation with them. powerful enemies will grow right round india.
china, pakistan & iran should be invited as observers for laying down of LTTE arms. india cannot refuse china.
think india will completely compromise their geo political & economic position in this region by trying to bail out rajiv killers?
it's extremely unlikely.
Harry,
Sorry mate this is not the only thing I do, but it works parallel. I don't get offended, no worries, I understand what you mean
DK,
No I am not the same person from Divaina.
I think great nations are created and carved by great leaders. leaders inspire their followers to reach dream that the leader saw in the past. The success of the leader is the effectiveness of transcending his dreams to those who follow! so they get inspired.
Leaders may be correct or wrong, base on the measurement platform used and the yard stick. So anything and everything can be critically discussed. Nothing wrong with it except the progress of massive nature can happen only there are more followers than leaders.
This gives rise to a another conclusion that if people do not question and follow (even if they did not see the dream of their leader) things will happen (at least for the leader. But we call this slavery (perhaps) or non democracy
Therefore The challenge would be to bring everyone together see the same dream and work for it to realize it. Then Serendipity - happens!!
Indian Home Minister's Statement To Outlook India Construed Accurately.
Insight By Sunil Kumar For LankaWeb
Feb.16th 2009
The recent item in Outlook India refering to a statement made by Home Minister Chidambaram that India will intervene if LTTE Lays Down Arms is not only contentious and high handed but seems to indicate a degree of obnoxiousness on his part relative to the protocols which exist between the two countries unless of course he has been misquoted.
Regardless of "putting the onus on the LTTE for halting the Sri Lankan military offensive in the north of the island nation" as quoted, Home Minister P Chidambaram has suggested that if the outfit laid down arms, India would intervene and arrange for a negotiated settlement to the 'vexed' ethnic issue where India's intervention albeit its speculative nature, is not something India is privy to, Sri Lanka being a Sovereign Nation and if what the Ministers is saying is to be interpreted literally it sounds as though India is assuming the right to intervene in Sri Lanka's internal affairs unilaterally with no mandate whatsoever to do so.
Bearing in mind that Sri Lanka is presently conducting an all out military campaign to eliminate the Tamil tigers, The Indian Home Minister appears more to have joined the bandwagon to save the tigers rather than provide for the safe passage of innocent Tamil civilians and should be well advised to stay out of the issue if he has nothing better to offer beyond embarrasing the Indian Government and its clear cut support for Sri Lankan policy to eliminate terrorism from the region as in the end if the Tamil tiger terrorists propagate further and spread around South Asia including Tamil Nadu he will have a lot to answer for in making such obtuse and incongruous statements which cannot be classified as part of Indian Foreign policy nor having any accordance with Sri Lanka's determination to wipe out the terrorists who have plagued Sri Lanka for three decades and more
Relative to "the Congress policy being clear that LTTE being an armed militant group must announce they are willing to lay down arms and be prepared for talks" there is no provision for talks with the terrorists anymore, which the Government of Sri Lanka has made unequivocally clear where there can be no simultaneous suspension of the military offensive and the Chidambaram rhetoric needing to be put into proper perspective and no outstanding necessity for the Indian Government to arrange for a dialogue conditional to the LTTE laying down arms and coming forward for talks.
This sounds more like a ploy for the terrorists to buy time to regroup.The so called 'good solution' can be found to the 40 lakh Tamils( this number needs clarification) in Sri Lanka is something which is currently being implemented by the Government of Sri Lanka without the assistance of India who it must be remembered once aided and abetted the LTTE terrorists through the goings on in Tamil Nadu!
Carry this message of what appears to be a path to redemption for the LTTE, to every nook and corner of the state therefore seems a waste of time relative to Sri Lanka's imperative need to wipe them out as terrorists and then hand the reins of posterity to the Tamil people under a sane and rational Tamil leadership, not a megalomaniacal, murderous and pathologically insane one of Velupillai Prabhakaran!!
Chidambaram's comments have indeed come at a time when several pro-LTTE parties and outfits in Tamil Nadu are demanding an immediate ceasefire in Sri Lanka and accusing the state and central governments of "failure" to ensure safety of civilian Tamils caught in the ongoing war, which is more of an excuse towards preserving the fast disappearing existences of the LTTE where the safety of the Tamil civilians has been a prime responsibility of the Sri Lankan Government and the civilianTamils are being subjected to attrocities only by the residual LTTE terrorists remanining and none other.
There were however a few salient truths in Mr Chidambaram's statement to Outlook India perhaps stumbled upon inadvertently albeit accurately that :-
The LTTE had not utilised the recent 48-hour ceasefire proposed by the Sri Lankan Government to allow people to move to safer areas and come for talks.
That the situation would not have reached a grave stage had the LTTE accepted the Indo-Sri Lankan accord.
That India cannot directly interfere in the war against LTTE, as demanded by some political leaders, since the country had itself not held talks with militant outfits in the Northeast and Kashmir, who had refused to give up arms.
That LTTE chief Prabhakaran was not the leader of the Sri Lankan Tamils, and the LTTE's main aim was to become authoritarian after coming to power
which are plausible acknowledgements and reason enough to suggest that there seems to be conflicting objectives relative to being Philistine as well as self righteous in the Chidambaram mindset where confusion about issues seems to play a major role and the truth has manifested itself quite inadvertently and in the end augurs quite well for Sri Lanka.
Moral of the Story~ INDIA HAS NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE INTO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF SOVEREIGN SRI LANKA THROUGH ANY INTERVENTION !WHICH IS WHAT THE INDIAN FOREIGN MINISTER SEEMS TO BE SUGGESTING TO THE CONTRARY.
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Saman said...
3. If India lining-up to rape our sovereignty in doing so, then people of Sri Lanka must demand for China/Rassia to be part of the deal.
4. Emphasise this approach would put thousands of Tamil lives at risk not only in Wanni but also in other parts of Sri Lanka where 2.1 mill Tamils live in harmony.
WE MUST NEVER STOP THIS WAR UNTIL LTTE IS “Unconditionally” IRRADICATED.
Agree with you on all counts, with the proviso that we must never make peaceful Tamil citizens who accept the role of equal citizenship of a united Sri Lanka fear for their safety in any disagreement with India. We must always protect the innocents, while acting firmy against miscreants; that is the problem we face.
BTW, Russia has historically had a greater stake in India, and may not be as reliable as China.
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items09/170209-4.html
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items09/170209-8.html
vellubrabhakaran said...
sinhala will completely stop importing indian goods from sarees to motor cars. a multi billion $ loss for india. FTA will be as good as dead. who wants to buy goods from a hostile nation?
Agree with you, except to note that trade with Sri Lanka is such a small fraction of India's external trade they won't care.
India's primary concern with Sri Lanka is security; that is, preventing its enemies getting a foothold here. All of their interest in trade with SL is to cement that security foothold; nothing else.
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