A cautionary note on the present situation re Gen Fonseka. Our task was to allow things to settle down on their own which has worked. However, recent developments led particularly by a section of the diaspora Sinhalese is a cause of concern for DefenceWire.
DefenceWire team's stance up to now has been to avoid commenting on this dispute knowing fully well the capacity of both the present government and SF to come to a compromise on:
1. The direction the Sri Lankan Military will take
2. The direction General Fonseka would have to go
These may not be the most ideal directions for either, yet they are ones that are at best described as realistic and unavoidable.
There are many moves by politically motivated Sri Lankans, including Sinhala groups and also non Sinhala Sri Lankan groups to exploit a disagreement that has unnecessarily spilled over into the public's eye due to politics in the military and a very small section of the military in politics.
These groups, particularly those civilians involved who are not insiders or have little inside information can or will not understand the discipline of a professional soldier to take what he wants and to relinquish duty when required sans insubordination.
A professional soldier is not Dutugemunu. The Sri Lanka Army/Military is a modern Army/Military positioned within a democratic society. The professional soldiers serving in it will know when to let go. By asking them to perform a larger role based solely on selfish motives of individuals in the periphery, they may destroy that soldier and even themselves and their reputation.
The Sri Lankan Military and its leaders are now hailed the world over for their victorious feat. Their role in bringing peace to the country through military means will be remembered for decades to come as the ultimate example of a trained military executing its sacred task flawlessly from start to finish. But remember this, dear readers, military action is a means of achieving the end and the end is always political.
DefenceWire, as an impartial site whose work you have witnessed for over 3 years now wish to appeal to our readers to refrain from joining or supporting either 'camps' and to allow the professional soldier and professional politicians to resolve potentially resolvable issues mentioned above.
Thank you
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«Oldest ‹Older 1601 – 1800 of 4363 Newer› Newest»Blogger Sam Perera said...
he has every right to select what ever the side he chooses.
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and so do we to critizise him, we are not living in elam under sungod right?
Oi Patriots,
Talk of a MILITARY COUP by assorted miscreants is only to generate fear of the military and prevent its growth into a an even larger Sri Lanka Defense Force.
OK, it seems as if SF has fallen prey to personal ambition ... but let us wait and see how all of this pans out at the elections.
Is SF, MR's trojan horse in the Opposition camp?
That would be GREAT .. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Blogger Ananda-USA said...
Oi Patriots,
Talk of a MILITARY COUP by assorted miscreants
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Fonseka is the first to talk about a military coup officially.
Magically that secret letter stating about a military coup ended up in LTTE-UNP alliance web site Lankanewsweb. (Its secret the governmnet has not released it yet)
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Is SF, MR's trojan horse in the Opposition camp?
That would be GREAT .. Ha! Ha! Ha!
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You too now disappoint me Ananda.
I still believe this could be the reason "President was misled over fears of a coup". Yes. Unnecessary fears made GR to tell MR reduce SF powers and keep him under MR control. And then they might asked Indians' help.
[I will make a supreme sacrifice to defend my land against the politicos who ever they may be joining hands with India.-SF]
So the initial mistake was done by GR and SF did the right thing.
[Pranab to discuss Fonseka and other issues with Lanka during visit]
Fears of a coup and India
Deshapaluwa,
You may not have understood my post .. please read it closely.
I think fears of a coup were planted by those who wanted to breakup the MR-GR-SF team.
It SEEMS that SF fell into the trap. But did he, really?
Is he still on the MR-GR-SF team?
Time will tell.
In any case, I am very sad SF resigned and I hope a very good explanation will emerge after the elections that will revive our faith in this team of patriots that won the war and rescued our nation.
Blogger B#1 said...
I still believe this could be the reason "President was misled over fears of a coup
Lets get the time line right.
1. Late 2008 or early 2009 SF name is floated around by opposituion as their common candidate.
2. mid 2009 war ends
3. SF is removed from powers.
4. SF as the common candidate chatter start to accelarate.
5. SF has seret meetings with the opposition.
6. UNA declares SF is their candidate.
6. SF resigns, blaming being suspected of a coup.
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Did the rumors of ealy 2009 of SF being the common candidate happen spontaneously?
when did SF had the motive to become president?
Was it early 2009, late 2008, even earlier.
Did he discuss about that with some one? Is that why the rumors start spreading?
Why wont he disclose his and his associates meeting RW, and Mano?
Does he still have the desire to be president?
Why is all this done in such secrecy?
Blogger Ananda-USA said...
Deshapaluwa,
Is he still on the MR-GR-SF team?
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Ananda this matter is closed now, please read my blog when you have some time.
Is Gen. Sarath Fonseka Running for President of Sri Lanka?
Blogger B#1 said...
I still believe this could be the reason "President was misled over fears of a coup"
Blogger Ananda-USA said...
I think fears of a coup were planted by those who wanted to breakup the MR-GR-SF team.
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This point keeps on comming up
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If SF was not a part of a coup or had no intention of becoming president. He should retire use his greencard and get memebership of Torrey pines golf club, isnt that a good life?
Insted he reteirs and want to to run for president.
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Actions speaks about the motives, friends
Brother Desha, I do not agree with you.
If you have enough time can you re-watch the interviews of SF mid-2009, and see how he praise MR and bash the RW??
If you were well aware of this common candidate mater since late 2008, how MR & RW was not aware.
and why MR treated Karannagoda in such bad way in order to please SF after the war??
This General is "Perfect Target" for political gain.
He is asking to be KILLED.
why ?
IF SF is dead
1.LTTE (what left of it ) will be happy.Pay back time
2.MR will be happy (One down, less threat )
3.Ranil,UNP happy ( they can scream from the there ass,RW will swear on his bastard fathers grave that MR did this, One down)
4.Evan Navy (WK) will be happy ( We all know he had rift between karannagoda,pay back time )
5.Even some top brass in the Army will be happy (One who got side lined ,pay back time)
All these 5 elements are capable and has the need of carrying out an assassination attempt on SF.
I,m telling you guys , he is asking for it
Blogger B#1 said...
If you have enough time can you re-watch the interviews of SF mid-2009, and see how he praise MR and bash the RW??
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Who wants to reveal to the world that he is about to start a military coup? (It is done in secrecy you know)
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Brother Desha, I do not agree with you.
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If you were well aware of this common candidate mater since late 2008, how MR & RW was not aware.
It was in reputed news papers and web sites
I will try to find them
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and why MR treated Karannagoda in such bad way in order to please SF after the war??
Karannagod is the secatary of the Transportation ministry, this is even higher position that Chief of Defence staff, in the hierarchy of Sri Lanka's government service
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Blogger Ralahamy said...
Ranil,UNP happy......
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Nope then Ranil will have to run and loose, and loose his party leadership too, leading to his reteirment from politics.
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People will blame the UNP for dragging the Gen into politics as they have done before and UNP will loose the gen election giving UPFA 5/6th
Deshapaluwa,
Karannagoda was made secretary to ministry of high ways mainly because of the friendship between president’s wife and Karanna’s wife. MR’s wife is over looking the highways ministry.
Initially Karanna was dumped by MR to please SF.
K @ K
If I am to weigh up Sri Lankan matters for last 10-15 years realistically, SF’s premature death is a possibility. Even if things go badly against him; under the circumstances; he may commit suicide also.
K @ K
Blogger Keshara-කේශර said...
Deshapaluwa,
Karannagoda was made secretary to ministry of high ways mainly because of the friendship between president’s wife and Karanna’s wife. MR’s wife is over looking the highways ministry.
Initially Karanna was dumped by MR to please SF
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KK not my point, my point is Kara is in a higher position than SF contary to B#1 saying Kara was mistreated after the war.
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Your statement contradicts itself, initially Kara was dumped , but now he is secatary?
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By the way what is this...
......... because of the friendship between president’s wife and Karanna’s wife. MR’s wife is over looking the highways ministry.............
You have been spending too much time in Lankanewsweb
This is gossip.
We just analyze facts here. No offence please
Blogger Keshara-කේශර said...
SF’s premature death is a possibility.
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Nope after loosing the election, he will join MR and accept the ambassadorship to honduras.
What happened was GR got paranoid by the popular coup in Honduras which was popular with people in that country because they hated the corrupt democratic government.
Because of that and even though Gen. Fonseka had been 100% loyal they decided to undermine him.
If you read the news links we gave before you will know that.
Most of the 16 Gen. Fonseka listed happened after that. Even the People's Campaign was initiated after that.
Truth is Rajapaksa family undermined the military, made military look untrustworthy (they trust India more) and also undermined a lot of good commanders and the entire SLSR. That is unacceptable.
Now the only solution is to have Gen. Fonseka as president.
Gen. Fonseka will be presidental candidate and then president. He will be working for the Sri Lankan people and not anyone else.
If UNP supports Gen. Fonseka it does not mean Gen. Fonseka supports UNP and will follow their plans which may be harmful to the country.
It is Gen. Fonseka that draws the plans. If anyone wants to support him they can. But Gen. Fonseka will never put anything before country.
[Blogger Keshara-කේශර said...
SF’s premature death is a possibility.]
He will be killed by foreign intelligence agents during his presidential election compaign. Then everybody will blame MR for his death. Ponna R will be their candidate looking for sympathy. Behind SF is ponna Gang, behind ponna gang is Robert Blake gang.
Blogger ConspiracyTheory said...
[Blogger Keshara-කේශර said...
SF’s premature death is a possibility.]
He will be killed by foreign intelligence agents
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Lot of ideas about foreign inteligent agents and Ranil using SF as scape goat.
Let me add my thoughts in to it.
We know that US government is against MR regime. People in high up places in Obama regiem has ties with LTTE. Tamils for Obama, Tamils for Hillary all backed up by Rajarathnam and the LTTE gang.
We also know Obama came out and named Tissanayagam the LTTE media man as a heroic media personel.
We also saw Rober Blake presenting some kind of an award to Mano Ganeshan the LTTE proxy.
Here are my thoughts?
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Why did SF went to USA before announcing his retirement?
What did the USA homeland security guys tell him about contesting as the common candidate?
What did they tell him about his alleged human rights problems, war crimes?
Was some kind of a deal struck?
Why is India so nervous about SF running, after he went to USA?
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Fonseka 2010
Read my blog and pass it to your friends.
Why General Sarath Fonseka cannot win
another question to the list above
Why is SF joining Yankee Dickey's nephew?
Jay said...
I have (so far) refrained on commenting on the "alleged" rift between Rajapakse cabal and SF and his "backers" largely due to hearsay and the emotional out pourings we have witnessed in this blog.
Sri Lankan politics is a dirty dirty business, the only winners are the politicians the losers as always are the SL masses who go about their daily chores with an inviting smile cursing but yet finding the means to place food on the table for their families.
If SF has the same vision and the determination as he did to get rid of the LTTE, to apply those same skill sets to clean up SL, i would go for it without any compromise.
Naturally i assume SF's hand are clean on human rights issues.
SF, i understand is not a clever man (reliable source) but he is determined and forthright.
I would back a military coup to get rid of the Rajapakse cabal.
October 19, 2009 1:59 AM
..hic..
[Jay said
Naturally i assume SF's hand are clean on human rights issues.
]
That's what I also heard from my CIA agent.
hic.. hic
[SF’s premature death is a possibility. ]
GR's deaths squad will get the "guilt free pass" for SF's head anytime soon, then the blame will go to the external elements.
One who inflicted crimes against humanity will be dealt a fitting punishment as he always deserves it.
I,m not ready to accept SF as my president !
He is yet to prove him self capable of running a government.We know he can run a regiment !.He cannot order each individual to obey his orders.
Beside, even if he get elected who are going to hold cabinet portfolios ?
Prasanna Silva as his Prime minister,Shavendra as FM,...
Or else usual UNP-MC buggers right ?
Ranil (PM) :ponnaya
Ravi Commerce :Hora....
list goes on..he simply cannot barge into presidency without explaining these,..
Did anyone notice that SF has black shadow marks on his face?
It is really a bad omen. :)
Blogger Ralahamy said...
Beside, even if he get elected who are going to hold cabinet portfolios ?
Ranil's conditions for endorsing Fonseka’s candidature
Appoint govt. with Ranil as PM,
revoke Emergency
Give TNA, JVP Cabinet posts,
end Exec. presidency
and leave to USA leaving Ranil to rule this country.
............................Clever ah
Please allow me to join the quotes war:
Peter said...
p.s.
I'm in negotiation with the Fonseka faction.
Smart military man, but privately he is probably the biggest idiot ever. One of very few military generals who has ended up penniless, despite overseeing a period where no one would have questioned him about finances.
I have to say, Gotha is smarter than Fonseka. He has moved pieces about a year ahead.
I'll probably be visiting here often. Though, I won't be departing with funds unless the faction can demonstrate ability to go beyond writing on walls in Colombo 7; that is just plain amateur.
August 13, 2009 1:46 PM
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=7492716713591650337&blogID=5899907675904775235&page=2
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I belive that predates all email/Fonseka2010/LankaNewsWeb campaigns.
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Truth is money moves mountains in Bandastan. Fonseka, for all his military victories is still another hand to mouth banda.
Guys, pls read this. It may not cover the dirty topics which many of you never wanna stop. But it covers a more important current affair, [with a cunning foxy chic like Butenis on teh plate]
Anesthesia by Economic Hitman
Ananda-USA said...
Oi Patriots,
Talk of a MILITARY COUP by assorted miscreants is only to generate fear of the military and prevent its growth into a an even larger Sri Lanka Defense Force.
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Yeah, our military might become a victim of all of this. Hopefully GR keep on increasing the number of our Troops and continue ethnic integration in SL.
Blogger Peter said...
Truth is money moves mountains in Bandastan. Fonseka, for all his military victories is still another hand to mouth banda.
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Nothing will happen
after loosing the election, SF will join MR and accept the ambassadorship to Honduras.
දේශපාලුවා said...
If SF was not a part of a coup or had no intention of becoming president. He should retire use his greencard and get memebership of Torrey pines golf club, isnt that a good life?
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He must have ideas about contesting for some time. But that does translate to intention of a over throw of the government via military coup.
As Sam said to make a statement such as a coup, you need more evidence than that. If that is the case, he should be in front of a military tribunal and be court martial.
Sri Lanka is no Honduras. Sri Lanka had always maintained political stability even in the presence of
Armed insurgencies. So it is bit hard to believe that this would be the case at the end of a war.
Peter said...
Please allow me to join the quotes war:
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Peter, what happened to your Pottu foto? People were reading a lot in to your use of that photo just before MV day. You are going to disappoint them by changing your photo.
Nowhere on earth do you find politicians who like individual who are more popular than them on their own turf. There was no way Mahinda was to be comfortable with the ever growing popularity of Fonseka.
Campaigning would be interesting, if Mahinda decides to hold PE and if Fonseka decides to contest. Though tickets are already on sale, there are still two ifs.
Bhairav said...
Did anyone notice that SF has black shadow marks on his face?
It is really a bad omen. :)
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I believe that is a result of not handling stress well. Wonder whether he always had this or not? What he really needs is a break from all of these.
Blogger Thusitha said...
He must have ideas about contesting for some time. But that does translate to intention of a over throw of the government via military coup.
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Proving motive is a major part of prosecuting a crime.
දේශපාලුවා said...
Proving motive is a major part of prosecuting a crime.
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Even before that you have to prove a crime has been committed. Wanting to run for presidency or looking at the possibility of running for president is not a crime. But agree with you, SF should have resigned before doing all this. But in real world that is not the way things happen. It is like searching for another job while you are working for another job. We do if, why not SF.
ஆட்டுவித்தால் யாரொருவர் ஆடாதாரே கண்ணா
ஆசையெனும் தொட்டிலிலே ஆடாதாரே கண்ணா
I think that sums up Fonseka.
Blogger Thusitha said...
It is like searching for another job while you are working for another job. We do if, why not SF
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He cant do it. If he want the job he would have resign and run.
If he serves with hidden intentions, that destabilizes the country.
People who get to know about the situation gets perplexed what to do whether to support MR, or SF. MR supporters worry if SF grabs power, what would happen to them, SF supporters wonder if MR finds out what whould happen they stop working, or jeopardize the work, government functioning comes to a stand still.
If investors and donors sense the situation they hold their money. Just at the time when investments were going up in SL and our economy was turning a corner SF has to come with a stunt.
You see its not simple as you and me responsible positions require them to act responsibly.
I accept I have not shown solid evidence about a coup. That is not my job, if there is solid evidence what more is there to discuss? My job is to show circumstantial evidence, just like I did when people were speculating whether he would run or not, that is why I'm දේශපාලුවා.
Thusitha,
I agree that SF haven’t committed any treacherous thing so far other than being disagree with MR’s way of rule providing he did not discuss/negotiate/plan with RW, Mangala and Mano Gona. However, all indications lead to his connivance with RW and other traitors before submitting the resignation. In that case he already committed a treacherous act as far as I am concerned.
The moment; he announce his intentions to accept presidential nomination under UNA banner; he will become a traitor by association of traitors.
Mr. Fonseka is not a free man to decide on new positions/jobs/candidacy against motherlands interest as long as he is riding on war hero wagon.
End of the matter.
K @ K
Hemantha said
‘Let's not aim our guns at ambassador Butenis. She looks very outspoken and honest. I think we can have a better relationship with her (than with Blake).’
You are spot on. There is more than one factor working in our favour or against us in SL and she is not one of them. Even a person like Rajaratnam is misunderstood.
I understand that you have said good bye to this blog?
It is regrettable the President had invited the Burmese leader and will it be Goddaffi or Araminidard next? Which way is he directing us? We won the war and then to win the peace is the next priority. Leaders must put their efforts in doing just that and not on wining elections and to follow the examples of Burma, Libiya and Iran is regrettable on the long run..
දේශපාලුවා said...Proving motive is a major part of prosecuting a crime.
දේශපාලුවා,
On the basis of the hunch that you have, do you think it is appropriate to ask a foreign governmentment for military assistance ? A foreign government which previously stationed around 150,000 tropps in Sri Lanka for a three year period, which refused to leave Sri Lanka, and which made the following demands of the Government of Sri Lanka
His Excellency
Mr. J. R. Jayawardene
President of Sri Lanka
29 July 1987
Excellency,
Please refer to your letter dated 29th of July 1987, which reads as follows:
1. Conscious of the friendship between our two countries stretching over two millennia and more, and recognizing the importance of nurturing this traditional friendship, it is imperative that both Sri Lanka and India reaffirm the decision not to allow our respective territories to be used for activities prejudicial to each other’s unity, territorial integrity and security.
2. In this spirit, you had, in the course of our discussions agreed to meet some of India’s concerns as follows:
(i) Your Excellency and myself will reach an early understanding about the relevance and employment of foreign military and intelligence personnel with a view to ensuring that such presences will not prejudice Indo-Sri Lankan relations.
(ii) Trincomalee or any other ports in Sri Lanka will not be made available for military use by any country in a manner prejudicial to India’s interests.
(iii) The work of restoring and operating the Trincomalee oil tank farm will be undertaken as a joint venture between India and Sri Lanka.
(iv) Sri Lanka’s agreements with foreign broadcasting organizations will be reviewed to ensure that any facilities set up by them in Sri Lanka are used solely as public broadcasting facilities and not for any military or intelligence purposes.
3. In the same spirit India will:
(i)Deport all Sri Lankan citizens who are found to be engaging in terrorist activities or advocating separatism or secessionism
(ii) Provide training facilities and military supplies for Sri Lankan forces.
4. India and Sri Lanka have agreed to set up a joint consultative mechanism to continuously review matters of common concern in the light of the objectives stated in para 1 and specifically to monitor the implementation of other matters contained in this letter.
5. Kindly confirm, Excellency, that the above correctly sets out the agreement reached between us. Please accept, Excellency, the assurances of my highest consideration.
Yours sincerely,
(Rajiv Gandhi)
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His Excellency
Mr. J. R. Jayawardene
President of the democratic Republic of Sri Lanka, Colombo
This is to confirm that the above correctly sets out the understanding reached between us. Please accept, Excellency, the assurances of my highest consideration.
(J. R. Jayawardene)
President
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Pranab Mukerjee is coming to Sri Lanka tomorrow. We need to be wary. Here is why:
2 June 1989 From President Premadasa to Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi
My dear Prime Minister, I am writing to you on some matters of urgent importance. The most important matter relates to the presence of Indian forces in Sri Lanka. After I assumed the Presidency of Sri Lanka, the Government of India initiated the withdrawal of troops. We are grateful for your prompt action in this regard.
One of the important campaign pledges made by me at both the Presidential and Parliamentary elections was the withdrawal of the IPKF on being elected to office. I assumed the office of President of Sri Lanka on the 2nd of January, 1989. Five months have elapsed since then. The complete withdrawal of the IKPF will hopefully contribute to stabilising the situation in Sri Lanka, where the presence of the IPKF has become a deeply divisive and resentful issue. It is also in keeping with your often expressed sentiments that the IPKF will he withdrawn when requested by the President of Sri Lanka.
I am thankful for the efforts of the IPKF during the time it has been in our country. I have often paid tribute to the bravery of the many officers and men who lost life and limb in the discharge of their duties. The tragedy of violence has not only affected your soldiers, it has also destroyed many Sri Lankans as well as our Armed Forces arid large numbers of civilians, innocent and uninvolved, have suffered beyond description. Their sacrifices must not be in vain. I am confident that a complete withdrawal of the IPKF will enable me to secure the trust and confidence of my people. Therefore, I would like all IPKF personnel to be withdrawn by July 31st, 1989.
The withdrawal of the IPKF will also enable Sri Lanka to host the SAARC Summit in November this year in a climate of tranquility. As you are aware, we could not undertake our obligation to do this in 1988. You will appreciate how difficult it is to a regional gathering of this nature with foreign farces on our soil. Our people are most enthusiastic about welcoming leaders of our own region, particularly our closest neighbours. However, their anxieties must also be satisfied especially in relation to their deep patriotic and nationalist sensitivities. In this context, we have submitted several proposals regarding an Indo-Sri Lanka Friendship Treaty. I believe that, in the long term. such an agreement will further strengthen relations between India and Sri Lanka. I await your response to our proposals in this regard.
We have always appreciated your sincere interest in the unity and the territorial integrity of our country. Our own efforts to this end need the understanding and goodwill of our neighbours. I believe, that your people and you yourself share these objectives and will contribute to their realisation.
I have just seen the Aide Memoire which was handed over by your High Commissioner this evening. As the Aide Memoire refers to the need for consultations between the Governments, I am designating my Foreign Secretary to personally clarify our position on these matters.
With the assurance of my highest consideration and esteem.
con't
20 June 1989 From Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi to President Premadasa
Dear Mr. President,
I have your letter of the 2nd June, which was handed over to me by your Special Envoy, Foreign Secretary Tilakaratne.
India is committed to preserving the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka, under the terms of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement. It was a result of this commitment and our responsibility as a guarantor for the implementation of the Irrdo-Sri Lanka Agreement that we responded to the request of the Government of Sri Lanka to send the IPKF. This was at a time when the situation seemed headed inexorably towards the break-up of Sri Lanka. During its presence, the IPKF has striven with considerable success but at heavy cost to itself, to prevent such an outcome arid safeguard the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka.
Three successive elections have been held peacefully despite threats of terrorist violence in the North-East and all Tamil groups barring one, had given up the demand for Eelam. If the process of devolution of powers to the Provincial Council had been implemented in time and had the deliberate attempt by the Sri Lankan Government to alter the population balance in the Tamil areas by the continued state sponsored colonisation of Tamil areas been stopped, the extremists would have been further isolated and marginalised, and the violence ended.
You have yourself stated that we had started the withdrawal of the IPKF even before you requested for it. A broad time-frame for the IPKF withdrawal was also discussed at our initiative, based on which your Foreign Minister had made a statement in your Parliament on the 31st March, 1989.
All this was being done on the basis of assurances given by the Sri Lankan Government and on assumption that the implementation of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement-especially the devolution of powers to the Provincial Councils-would proceed simultaneously, so that the legitimate aspirations of the Tamils could be met within the framework of the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka. It is pertinent to recall that it was precisely because these aspirations were not being met that a situation was created which threatened the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka.
I have always maintained that the IPKF will not stay in Sri Lanka a day longer than necessary. But we cannot be unmindful of the responsibilities and obligations of the two countries under the Indo Sri Lanka Agreement and to join the democratic process within the framework of a united Sri Lanka only on the basis of assurances that the Tamil majority in North-Eastern Province will be given substantial devolution of powers.
Our two Governments are therefore morally and legally bound to ensure that the Tamils are given the autonomy they were promised, both in the 13th Amendment to the Sri Lankan Constitution, as also in the additional areas promised in the Agreement signed between the former President Jayewardene and myself on the 7th November, 1987. Failure to do so will only lend credence to the claims made by Tamil groups that Tamils cannot expect justice within a united Sri Lanka.
We have to be fully conscious of the dangers of a return to a situation which may be worse than prevailing prior to the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement. We believe that, in the spirit of traditional friendship between our two countries, we must jointly draw up a mutually agreed schedule for the full implementation of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement and the complete withdrawal of the IPKF. The two have to be joint, parallel exercises.
We have no objection to your proposal for a friendship treaty. I had told your Special Envoy that we could set dates for commencing discussions with a view of finalising the text of the proposed treaty.
Blogger CASC said...
දේශපාලුවා said...Proving motive is a major part of prosecuting a crime.
දේශපාලුවා,
On the basis of the hunch that you have, do you think it is appropriate to ask a foreign governmentment for military assistance ?
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What are the evidence to show that he actually asked for assistance?
What if it was information?
What if some other powerful country was behind the coup, do you let it happen?
We can see India is highly agitated after SF's USA trip and his stunt
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This mission is too big for the simple minds of RW and Mangy
con't
29 June 1989 From President Premadasa to Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi
Excellency, I am glad to inform you that the LTTE has announced a complete cessation of hostilities against the Sri Lanka Government with immediate effect.
The LTTE which is no longer a proscribed group has in the course of recent discussions with the Government of Sri Lanka agreed to settle whatever problems they have through the process of negotiation. Under the circumstances it will be appreciated if Your Excellency will ensure that the IPKF does not take any offensive action against the LTTE which will tend to prejudice the negotiations that are currently in progress.
Accept Excellency, the assurances of my highest consideration.
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29 June 1989 From President Premadasa to Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi
Dear Prime Minister, I am in receipt of your letter of 20th June in reply to my letter of 2nd June, 1989. I thank you for reiterating India's commitment to preserve the unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Sri Lanka as was stated in the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement.
We appreciate the assurance given by the Indian Government in providing the personnel to assist in tile acceptance of arms surrendered by the militants as envisaged by Article 2.9 of the Agreement. We are also thankful for the assistance provided at our request, in terms of Article 2.16 (c) of the Agreement and paragraph 6 of the Annexure in affording military assistance to ensure the cessation of hostilities.
I am unable however to accept the contention that the implementation of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement, including the devolution of powers to the Provincial Councils, is in any way linked with the withdrawal of the Indian Armed Forces. They had been invited to Sri Lanka for the specific purpose of guaranteeing and enforcing the cessation of hostilities. The Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement does not provide for continued military activities by the Indian armed forces in Sri Lanka after a request has been made by me to have them withdrawn. Continuation of such military activities would also be a violation of peremptory norms of international law.
The Indian Peace Keeping Force came to Sri Lanka at the request of the President of Sri Lanka. Due to the circumstances that arose thereafter the IPKF was requested by the President to afford military assistance to ensure the cessation of hostilities. The only condition that should be satisfied for the withdrawal of the Indian armed forces is a decision by the President of Sri Lanka that they should be withdrawn. The request made by me to withdraw the Indian armed forces has satisfied this condition. It is therefore incumbent on the Government of India to withdraw the Indian armed forces from Sri Lanka.
The proposals for the political settlement of the ethnic problem negotiated from 4.5.1986 to 19.12.1986 as well as the residual matters to be finalised between the government of Sri Lanka and the government of India have all been accepted and incorporated in the relevant amendments to our Constitution and the Provincial Councils Act. The delay in giving effect to certain proposals within the timeframe envisaged by the agreement had been occasioned by the inability of the Indian armed forces to ensure cessation of hostilities and violence in the North and the East.
The actual functioning of the Provincial Councils in the new system of administration is applicable not only to the North and the East but to all the Provinces of Sri Lanka. This is entirely a political process in which the military has no role whatsoever. You will no doubt agree that it has been an experience common in many other jurisdictions that the establishment of an entirely new structure of administration based on devolution, is essentially a long-term process.
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There is neither a legal nor any other rational basis for the presence of any military force to ensure that the administrative structure is fully in place in any Province of Sri Lanka. I have, in consultation with the Ministers of the Cabinet and the Chief Ministers of the Provincial Councils, taken all steps to ensure that the administrative structure necessary for the effective exercise of devolved powers is in place as expeditiously as possible.
As I have already intimated to you in my letter of 2 June, 1989 one of the important pledges made by me both at the Presidential and at the Parliamentary elections was to ensure the withdrawal of the Indian forces. To quote the manifesto: "We will seek a Friendship Treaty with India on the lines of the Indo-Soviet Friendship Treaty. If by the time our candidate is elected President, the Indian forces have not left, we will ensure that they are withdrawn." The main Opposition Party, the Sri Lanka Freedom Party, in their election manifesto had stated that the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement would be abrogated and the Indian forces asked to leave. Thus, it will be seen that over 95 per cent of the voters clearly mandated the withdrawal of the Indian forces. The majority approved the UNP proposals for the conclusion of a Friendship Treaty with India.
I would like to mention a most significant development, which may not have been brought to your notice, namely that the majority of people of all three communities in North and the East demand the immediate withdrawal of the Indian forces.
In your letter you have mentioned that there has been a deliberate attempt by the Government of Sri Lanka to alter the population balance in the Tamil areas by continuing state-sponsored colonisation. I must emphatically refute this. There has been no colonisation whatsoever in these areas since the signing of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement.
The ground is now set for the Government to resolve any outstanding issues relating to the ethnic problem on the basis of consultation, compromise and consensus with all communities and groups concerned.
As I have already informed you, the LTTE has announced the cessation of hostilities against the Government of Sri Lanka. They have also resolved to settle any issues outstanding through negotiations and discussions. It is in this context that I have requested you to issue the necessary instructions to the Indian armed forces to refrain from any offensive operations against the LTTE. The LTTE has already expressed its willingness to put an end to such activities against the Indian armed forces on a reciprocal basis. The withdrawal of the Indian armed forces within the time-frame visualised by me is an essential pre-condition for the Government to proceed with the consolidation of a political settlement.
Far from being of any assistance in the complete resolution of the ethnic problem, the presence of the Indian forces are now a serious impediment. In this connection, I must bring to your notice an alarming development that has been taking place in the Northern and Eastern Provinces. There are complaints that youths mostly of tender age are being forcibly conscripted by certain political groups and are being trained at the hands of the Indian forces. I need not elaborate on the possible consequences that will follow if this is not checked forthwith.
Therefore, in consideration of all these circumstances, I again earnestly request the immediate recommencement of the withdrawal of the Indian armed forces and an acceleration of this process.
I am glad at your favourable response to my proposal for a Friendship Treaty with India. We have already given our draft to the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi. I would request that discussion should commence without delay, so that this Treaty could give concrete and expeditious expression to the traditional bonds of friendship between our two countries.
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30 June 1989 From Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi to President Premadasa
Dear Mr. President, I have your message of 29th June sent through your High Commissioner.
The Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement provides for a cessation of hostilities between the Tamil militant groups and the Sri Lankan forces, and also for the Sri Lankan Forces to stay in barracks in the North-East Province. Both these were achieved on 30th July, 1987. Thus, there has already been an effective cessation of hostilities between the Sri Lankan forces and the LTTE. I am glad that the LTTE has now formally conceded this reality.
We hope that the formal agreement of the LTTE to cease hostilities clearly implies their commitment to the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka and to renounce violence and to respect democratic processes. We trust that, consequent to giving up violence, LTTE will resume surrender of arms through the Sri Lankan Government - a process which had started on the 5th August, 1987 and is not yet complete. Unless the LTTE have undertaken to hand over their arms and to renounce violence not only towards the Sri Lankan Government but towards the other citizens of the North-Eastern Province, their announcement of cessation of hostilities would be meaningless.
Since IPKF has a mandate in terms of India's role as a guarantor, for ensuring the physical safety and security of all communities of the North-Eastern Province, I would appreciate clarifications on the points I have mentioned above. These clarifications will facilitate an immediate decision on the IPKF's cessation of offensive action to disarm the LTTE. The earlier we receive your response, the quicker will be the process of initiating suitable action.
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4 July 1989 From President Premadasa to Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi
Dear Prime Minister,
I have your message of 30th June sent through your High Commissioner, in response to my message requesting you to ensure that the Indian armed forces in Sri Lanka do not take any offensive action against the LTTE. Such action or any intensification of operations is liable to prejudice the negotiations currently in progress and prolong the armed conflict.
Your statement that the cessation of hostilities took place on 30th July, 1987 does not accord with facts. The LTTE ceased hostilities against the Sri Lankan security forces only for a few days but resumed violence on 2nd August, 1987 and continued until they announced a cessation of hostilities in June, 1989. During the interim 148 service and police personnel were killed and 80 were wounded; 481 civilians were killed and 115 injured.
The LTTE announced a cessation of hostilities only in June this year after the commencement of the dialogue with the Government. This cessation covers not only the Government but also the people in the North and the East and in fact the people in the whole of Sri Lanka. At the same time, the LTTE reiterated its commitment to resolve all outstanding problems through negotiations and discussion and indicated their readiness to enter the democratic process.
As stated in your message, you have been seeking to disarm the LTTE for the past two years and this process is not yet complete, nor have you been able to bring them to the negotiating table. I am confident that I will be able to ensure that the LTTE will give up their arms after the Indian armed forces have been withdrawn.
The political solution which I seek to provide will not only be within the framework of our Constitution but must also preserve the sovereignty of our people, the unitary character and the territorial integrity of our country.
The responsibility of providing safety and security for all citizens within Sri Lanka is solely the responsibility of the Government of Sri Lanka.
The Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement does not and indeed cannot in international law provide a mandate for the Government of India or its armed forces to assume any responsibility for this function otherwise than at the express request of the Sri Lankan Government. In any event, during the past two years when the Indian armed forces were operating in the Northern and Eastern Provinces they were unable to prevent the killings of a number of civilians and the displacement of even a larger number from their homes besides the casualties referred to above.
Any interpretation of the agreement which seeks to provide a mandatory role for the Government of India or its armed forces within Sri Lanka otherwise than the express request of the Government of Sri Lanka would constitute a serious interference in the internal affairs of a friendly sovereign country and a gross violation of the peremptory norms of International Law. I am sure such is not your intention.
I trust these clarifications will enable you to ensure that the Indian armed forces do not continue any offensive operations against the LTTE.
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11 July 1989 From Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi to President Premadasa
Dear Mr. President,
I have your letter of 30th June and 5th July. I do not want to enter into a debate on various interpretations of mutual obligations assumed by our sovereign nations. These are quite clear. I also do not wish to go into the validity of assertions like the LTTE having resumed violence on 2nd August, 1987 whereas the arms surrender started and the amnesty letter was handed over by the Sri Lankan Government to the LTTE three days later. We should let facts speak for themselves.
There is an agreement between the two countries. The Agreement is meant to preserve the unity and integrity of Sri Lanka and to ensure the safety, security and legitimate interests of the Tamils. Nearly a thousand Indian soldiers have made the supreme sacrifice in fulfilment of India's obligations as a guarantor to this Agreement. Since the signing of the Agreement, not only have the Provincial Council elections been held, but also the Parliamentary and Presidential elections. The situation in the North-Eastern Province is far more settled and peaceful than elsewhere in Sri Lanka. Despite all this, the devolution package promised to the Tamils has not been implemented. These are incontrovertible facts.
Both of us agree that the IPKF should be withdrawn. Both of us agree that we had commenced the withdrawal even before you asked for it. A broad time-frame for IPKF withdrawal had in fact been discussed. Discussions on finalising details were proposed by your Foreign Minister at Harare only a few days prior to your unilateral announcement of lst June. I have repeatedly said that the IPKF's withdrawal schedule should be worked out through joint consultations along with a simultaneous schedule for the implementation of the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement.
We are willing to resume discussions on this subject at any time and place of your convenience. Your colleague the Honourable Mr. Thondaman, who met me here, would have conveyed to you our desire for friendly relations and our willingness to resolve any misunderstanding through mutual consultations. If, however, discussions for this purpose are not acceptable to you, we will have to decide the details of IPKF's withdrawal unilaterally consistent with our responsibilities and obligations under the Indo-Sri Lanka Agreement.
While I reiterate Government of India's willingness to cooperate with your government to resolve pending issues, I must emphasise to Your Excellency that India has traditionally been mindful of the sanctity of the agreements it signs with other countries and of commitments solemnly undertaken under such agreements. India will under no circumstances deviate from the policy of affecting our concerns.
It has been our practice to maintain the confidentiality of official correspondence particularly between Heads of State or Government, unless otherwise agreed upon. However, the gist of your messages to me was more often than not made available to the media before they reached me. Now I find that all our recent correspondence has been officially made public by the Sri Lankan Government. I may thus be constrained to depart from tradition by authorising this communication being made public, after you receive it.
CASC said...
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CASC,
Just out of interest, where are you getting all this info from?
Keshara-කේශර said...
The moment; he announce his intentions to accept presidential nomination under UNA banner; he will become a traitor by association of traitors.
Mr. Fonseka is not a free man to decide on new positions/jobs/candidacy against motherlands interest as long as he is riding on war hero wagon.
End of the matter.
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Keshara,
I was thoroughly pissed of initially. Now I think we need to wait and see. Think about Karuna, he came to SL side. But Karuna would always make sure that he would not work towards detriment of the Tamil people.
Even if SF work with traitors, that does not mean he is going to be a traitor. SF is an honourable person, so good to give him the benefit of the doubt. I personally believe this is going to be a positive development for the nations.
When UNP gets a bit of taste of SF, they wouldn't go back to RW. SF's patriotism might rub off on UNP. UNP is bad because of its leaders, not because of its policies. Therefore it is good to see a change in the political leaders. Like MR changing the SLFP, it is good that SF changing the UNP. It is about time that Colombo-Kandy hold on political parties are shattered.
Voting wise, my choice would be MR as well. SF is not yet developed enough to trust him with leading SL politically.
Blogger Thusitha said...
But Karuna would always make sure that he would not work towards detriment of the Tamil people.
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Isnt it good for the whole nation to see that none of its minorites are pushed towards detriment?
If not Karuna who is your Tamil ally? Mano Ganeshan? Sampanthan?
Better to have a moderate rather than an extremist.
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Like MR changing the SLFP,
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MR was a long standing SLFPer, he had a huge following and a grassroot network.
SF in UNP will be a lone figure
RW-Tissa-Malik-RaviK-Mangala-Hakiem gang will make sure he has no power in the UNP.
SF will only be the leader of UNA, he will have no power over the structure of individaul parties of UNA.
Look how this arrangement happened , it is the invitee who demands conditions, not the inviter, but inthis case the inviter has imposed conditions on the invitee, how lame.
Ranil's conditions for endorsing Fonseka’s candidature
Appoint govt. with Ranil as PM,
revoke Emergency
Give TNA, JVP Cabinet posts,
end Exec. presidency
What is SF going to do after that?
Get disposed like a used condom?
Another one bites the dust!
Yes, someone who was praised, cheered, honored, and even venerated (by some) for his execution of our own war against terrorism has made a colossal blunder by misinterpreting it all.
His blunder was thinking that it is HE who is the sole architect, strategist, AND the leadership that saw the vile terrorists defeated finally on our sacred soil.
Never mind all the heroics of the Sri Lanka Navy (that sacrificed men and invaluable material to thwart LTTE’s dominance in the sea), the finely executed sorties of the Air Force, the astutely executed “cleansing programs” of the STF/SL Police, the political leadership of the nation that refused to bow down to immense international pressure to cease the offensive and go for another round of “peace talks,” but in his mind it was HE and HE alone that did the job and as such HE and HE alone should not only win the cake, but also run away with it!
Is this not the quality of a man who is lamentably egoistic? You bet!
However, his fault was not just being egoistic.
Rather his fault was being simplistic and naïve in falling victim to the anti-SL forces’ vile schemes – that evidently had been scheming for a long time on how to pull this type of coup d’etat against the administration that finally beat the vile terrorists and appeared to ride a wave of popularity for years to come!
Anyone is entitled to enter the political arena, but when someone crosses the line between "politics" and National Security interests, then I think it is time to take note and call a spade a spade.
Sadly, this is the case with this ex-General.
OaO Asithri
p.s. In the following posts, I will express a few more sentiments vis-à-vis this view by adding a few rejoinders to some notable posts I see in this thread (from both Patriots as well as anti-SL whorebitches).
Here's where the General crossed that line as I alluded to earlier:
14. The plight of the IDPs is also a point of great concern to me. Thousands of valiant soldiers sacrificed their valuable lives to liberate these unfortunate civilians from the brutality and tyranny of the LTTE in order that they could live in an environment of freedom and democracy. Yet, today many of them are continuing to live in appalling conditions due to the lack of proper planning on the part of the government and the IDPs who have friends and relatives elsewhere in the country must be given the choice to live with them until proper demining has been done in their areas.
15. Your Excellency’s government has yet to win the peace in spite of the fact that the Army under my leadership won the war. There is no clear policy to win the hearts and minds of the Tamil people, which will surely ruin the victory, attained paving the way for yet another uprising in the future.
Basically these paras did it (or did him in I should say).
These are the same viewpoints held by anti-SL whores who have been screaming from top of their lungs to let loose the IDPs (including the LTTE cadres still hiding amongst the IDPs) - so the LTTE bitches can quickly go back to weapons hiding places, unearth them and recommence the hit-and-run attacks that we saw in the early '80s - that was the precursor to the intense terrorist-guerilla warfare we were to see in later years.
Yes, the General by espousing the same viewpoints as the LTTE lobby (i.e. that IDPs should be released rightaway), crossed that line in my view.
Thusitha
[Therefore in away I look at this as a positive development for SL. Hopefully SF would succeed in doing that. Converting UNP in to a bit more patriotic, nonsense party would be good for all of us]
I would like to think so. But the two paras I noted earlier, unfortunately, don’t give me that confidence.
OaO Asithri
Diyasena
[However if Fonny makes the run for presidency Mr should give him the same VVIP protecetion that he himself gets..And the ggovernment should run ads repeating Ravi's Pamankada, Mangala's Salvation army and Ranil's thoppigala stories..This will force SF to distance himself from them somewhat..]
Agree about the protection. No two words about it.
About the ads part….ha ha ha….yes, we can expect to see some eye popping ads in the near future where Pamankada Ravi and Salvationarmy Mongol, and Thopiya-gahapu Ranil will see their anti-SLA statements on National TV every ½ hour!!! ha ha ha...
Yes, you can bet on that!
OaO Asithri
Patriots,
I must also warn you that there is a talk (rumor) that this letter from SF is a fake cooked up by RW=LTTE forces.
However, if so, SF has not come out and said so himself.
But, it is nevertheless worth mentioning here.
Yes, there is also a twist-&-turn here that I would rather not go into for obvious reasons.
OaO Asithri
This article is from the infamous "mada" web of mangala. But it says some true facts that I believe MR must consider ASAP.
here is the article
http://www.lankanewsweb.com/news/EN_2009_11_13_006.html
It is now official. General Sarath Fonseka has quit the top most military post in the country. All the indications are that he will contest against the incumbent to be the next Executive President in Sri Lanka.
Whether it is continued Mahinda Rajapaksa presidency or a new Sarath Fonseka presidency, of course the future does not look brighter.
Lanka News Web recently reported that he has approached Ranil Wickramasinghe to warn about the future of democracy in Sri Lanka if General Fonseka becomes next President.
But there is also a silver lining if indeed President Mahinda Rajapaksa is genuinely concerned about the future of Sri Lanka (not only about himself and his family).
All major opposition parties recently agreed to support any move to abolish the executive presidency. President Rajapaksa, who agreed in writing with the JVP to abolish the presidency, can seize the opportunity and end General Fonseka’s dream to be the next head of state.
The opposition, in that scenario, should allow the president to continue his two years in office and to contest a future election, if he wishes to be the next executive prime minister.
Until then, President Rajapaksa should immediately implement the 17 amendment, appointing a new Constitutional Council, paving the way for new bodies - including elections and police commissions - to be established.
He should allow the new Constitutional Council to make new appointments to the key positions including chief justice, senior judges and police chief.
Of course the Rajapaksa administration, including General Fonseka, is accused of many gross human rights violations.
President Rajapaksa, the former human rights campaigner turned violator, can make measures to rectify at least some of the wrongdoings, though many incidents could not be reversed.
He can at least offer a presidential pardon to journalist J.S. Tissainayagam and speed up investigations over (if there are any such investigations) murder of Lasantha Wickramathunga and the brutal assault on Poddala Jayantha.
Mr. Rajapaksa, as the head of state, should also shun his extreme nationalistic views and release all internally displaced people from detention camps and help them resettle in their own land.
Instead of ordering Minister Mervyn Silva to instigate campaigns against his political opponents, including Mangala Samaraweera and General Fonseka, the president should take action against Minister Silva for attack on Rupavahini and Sirasa journalists.
He should also be more accommodative towards democratically elected representatives, take steps to gradually replace military leaders in top government posts, in and outside Sri Lanka, with senior civil servants.
It is him, neither Ranil Wickramasinghe nor General Fonseka for that matter, who can re-establish democracy in Sri Lanka and, if he is genuinely worried, he should act now not tomorrow.
Apart from the "human right" blah blah etc, the rest of the article have some sense.
I like this conclusion also.
It is him, neither Ranil Wickramasinghe nor General Fonseka for that matter, who can re-establish democracy in Sri Lanka
Deshapawla
[Rajapaksha is not Perfect, I never said that , he has not attained enlightenment.
But his is the least bad or least evil among the lot. That is why we should support him.]
I agree with you here. To have a regime change, especially a regime with Ranil the Ponnaya calling shots will be DISASTROUS for the nation.
That will show all the precious lives of our boys lost in defeating the LTTE was for NOTHING!
We need this patriotic regime for the next term as well, to assure that we completely cut out and clean that TERRORIST cancer that grew in our nation body for 30 years.
To let Ranil Ponnaya call shots now would be like to cut out the cancerous organ/tumor, but give up on a treatment program to treat the body for possible cancerous cells.
OaO Asithri
CACS
[There is no basis for a coup in our post independent historical experience or cultural context]
Agree with you at face-value here.
However what we must be cognizant of is that there are much more powerful forces, much powerful than the now virtually-wiped-out LTTE whores, who would LOVE to see a regime change in SL via a coup.
Judging by recent Poll results, to these forces it did not appear likely that this MR GOSL will be dumped anytime soon…so, then the next best thing is to do it via a coup, especially a coup headed by an equally patriotic figure.
I think we must be more cunning now than ever….yes, there are sinister forces at play to see the installation of a pro-western, pro-Tamil separatist, pro-unethical conversion, type of a regime in our Motherland.
OaO Asithri
Trivia time!
1) Did SF visit USA recently on his diplomatic passport or regular Lankan PP?
PaanGulla
[Meanwhile, some idiot (proabably Mervin) spreads a rumor Gen. SF is attempting coup de et.]
RW=LTTE whorebitch, we need to work with facts here and not “probably” aka haunches.
Would you believe me if I said that your mother would “probably” spread her legs for me?
So, let’s be careful on these “probably” ka-ka here.
:)) :)) :))
OaO Asithri
Bhiarav da Pullu Sappi
[Did SF visit USA recently on his diplomatic passport or regular Lankan PP?]
LMSSAO!!! Truly LMSSAO!!!
Where is that LTTE whoredog named Jay?
Is that bugger still trying to determine the diff between a Diplomatic Passport and a BigMac?
ha ha ha...
OaO Asithri
Got to run soon....my DD is here...
But two damn good posts...and my responses next...
OaO Asithri
Ralahamy
[He is asking to be KILLED.
why ?
IF SF is dead
1.LTTE (what left of it ) will be happy.Pay back time
2.MR will be happy (One down, less threat )
3.Ranil,UNP happy ( they can scream from the there ass,RW will swear on his bastard fathers grave that MR did this, One down)
4.Evan Navy (WK) will be happy ( We all know he had rift between karannagoda,pay back time )
5.Even some top brass in the Army will be happy (One who got side lined ,pay back time)
All these 5 elements are capable and has the need of carrying out an assassination attempt on SF.
I,m telling you guys , he is asking for it]
wow!!!
An excellent analysis!!!
OaO Asithri
Conspiracy T
[He will be killed by foreign intelligence agents during his presidential election compaign. Then everybody will blame MR for his death. Ponna R will be their candidate looking for sympathy. Behind SF is ponna Gang, behind ponna gang is Robert Blake gang]
Another excellent one!
OaO Asithri
And finally…
Ananda
[OK, it seems as if SF has fallen prey to personal ambition ...]
Very well said AA!!!
This is what I said at the beginning of my posts and I see you too have said so earlier.
OK, that’s it…catch you patriots later...
Time to go enjoy life a bit after a hard week's of work down in the shafts!
;-)) ;-)) ;-))
OaO Asithri
Assithiri just had spurt of orgasms here.
President Rajapaksha's election poster.
casc,
excellent!
in a country where history repeats all too often, it pays to keep these things INDEXED for easy reference.
thanks for posting.
deshap,
don't spread rumours. there is no coup. there never was an attempt in the recent past.
Moshe,
What's your take on this (from CASC's post):
"had the deliberate attempt by the Sri Lankan Government to alter the population balance in the Tamil areas by the continued state sponsored colonisation of Tamil areas been stopped, the extremists would have been further isolated and marginalised, and the violence ended."
I am unaware of such an attempt by SLG back then. What was he referring to? How much Tamil (eelamist) influence was there for Rajiv G?
from an outsider's pov, many similarities between SF and CBK!!
I have a feeling that we haven't seen the end of that (Indian) shit.
tata,
he is refering to the MAHAWELI project, welioya, etc.
it is not based on elam influence but,
1. tamil madu influence.
2. indian wishes and fantasies.
india nursed the LTTE to divide SL. why? bcos india saw SL slowly moving away from the indian influence. pakistan/china in 1970s to US in 1980s.
so what's the next best thing?
divide SL and have a pro-indian country in the island of SL. that way india will forever have a foothold in the island of SL.
india tried this with bangla but failed.
also notice HOW SCARED india was to colonisation!! obvious! that jeopadises the indian plan.
then there is hypocricy. in india there is hindi colonisation of assam, etc. to bring permanant peace but advises SL otherwise.
from the indian pov, the inability for india to create a pro-indian sattelite in SL spells disaster. there is a strong possibility SL will team up with china for obvious economic reasons thus depriving india of the ONLY FRIEND it has in the region.
this is why it is still not over.
"General Fonseka said the LTTE as expected behaved almost like a conventional army while his forces stepped into the shoes of a guerilla warfare.
He said the army, as guerillas do, started making incursions into LTTE strongholds in small groups carrying out daring attacks when the terrorists challenged the army inside the jungle.
He described the Sri Lanka resolution to go to war was a political one and said with the other forces, like the navy, air force police and the civil defense force in unity fought the war with that political will."
this was SF's position in end august. by mid october he has changed his mind.
dear astry,
ya know when your Mahinda ran towards Indian HC dreaming there was coup on? he ran towards pro-west regime tail between legs. so essentially, he now must keep licking indian balls for his suvival.
given this, your mahinda is more of a threat to national security than ranil.
but i know why you scared of regime change. you get to stay at home with your pappa who will be out of work. no more ruppees flowing into family accunt from govt run scams. insecurity is a bitch aint it? :)
Moshe and others.
I have not posted on the blog for a long time. But MR and the rest of politicos mishandled and have definitely mismanaged SF.
Army took the brunt of the responsibility and did the work. They should not have been belittled SF and the Army. Also why appoint a clown to the commander and why transfer all the good soldiers?
Unfortunately, I have lost confidence in MR and the gang.
BTW, why the hell is Mervin Silva still in politics- shows how corrupt the country is. I do not want the ponna Ranil or Deshadrohi UNP to win.
But I would want SF to contest as an independent and win the election. Downside will be we will go the way of Pakistan- under Zia.
An upside would be we will go the way of South Korea under General Park Chung Hee - guy who really ran and developed South Korea from late 60s to 80's.
That is my two cents. People - Sarath Fonseka did a good job. He deserves a lot better than the "Boos" that goon Mervin Silva dishes out.
BTW, if Mervin Silva was so brave what the fuc* was he doing when LTTE was living? Did he ever raise a finger to get a suicide bomber? Or did he also financially benefit from the murderous LTTE terrorist?
I hope MR reads blog and come to some sense - I definitely think he turning in to another Ranasinghe Premadasa - which is not good for the country.
Blogger Navi-Nazi-Pillai said...
I definitely think he turning in to another Ranasinghe Premadasa - which is not good for the country.
මෙක තමයි සිංහලයගෙ හැටි, ඊයෙ වෙච්ච දේ අද මතක නෑ
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අතීතයේදී විජය රජු තමාට උදවු උපකාර කළ කුවේණීට පිටුපෑමේ ශාපය මේ රටට උරුම වූ බව බොහෝ දෙනාගේ පිළිගැනීමයි. යෝජිත ජනාධිපතිවරණයෙන් මහින්ද රාජපක්ෂ මහතා පරාජයට පත් කිරීම යළිත් වරක් අප මාතෘ භූමියට එබඳු ශාපයක් අත්වීමට හේතුවිය හැකි බැවින් අප ඒ පිළිබඳව අවබෝධයෙන් කටයුතු කළ යුතුය.
පූජ්ය උඩුවේ ධම්මාලෝක ස්වාමීන් වහන්සේ
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මෙක තමයි සිංහලයගෙ හැටි, ඊයෙ වෙච්ච දේ අද මතක නෑ
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its two way street my friend. we all supported Mahinda at time of crisis with LTTE. he promised remove exec presdnt, 17 amdnmt, no more corruption, reinstate COPE, PAC recomendations etc etc.
its he who forget the contract ' mahinda chintana' what he agreed before being appointed.
so dont waste any more time with your crap.
I can remember very recently GR emphasized that INDIA was behind all the SL military victories.
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INDIA hate SF and needed eliminate him at any cost. (India could have stop the war at the middle stage if SF was not there. MR is a political man, GR 50-50, and SF is the person who disappointed India.)
Even though war victory was a team work, out of above three SF is the person who most wanted to eliminate LTTE from the country. If VP alive, would agree with me and say YES. That is why LTTE took SF to top target of their murder list.
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Ultimately what i want to tell is GR did the mistake and SF did the right thing.
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Presently SFs immediate enemies are MR & GR. And If SF succeeded with them, no doubt the next target will be fucking one by one of the ponna gang starting with mongal ponnaya and Gay Ranil to prove that is a real patriot.
is this true??
{Generals security reduced to 25 army personnel from 400. official vehicles reduced to 3 from 25! even former ltte military leaderKARUNA AMMAAN has over 100 security personnel.}
???
NNP,
no doubt MR has his problems. but SF too has big problems especially in team work.
re: mervyn
every SL govt had at least one mervyn and every future govt will have them.
even if SF becomes president, he too wil have a mervyn for himself. power corrupts every SL politician and there is nothing special about SF for this not to happen.
i can already see SF's mervyns in action!!
IF SF contests independantly, he has NO CHANCE of winning. more than 65% votes are FIXED to UNP & SLFP.
SF and corruption
IF SF is really serious about getting rid of corruption, he will not have support from more than a handful of MPs. never fall into this trap.
IF 4 some reason he has support from more than a handful of MPs, that means they know SF is not going to end their business (corruption)!!!
agree??
SF and his wife have no known profession or job in the USA. but they need money ($$$s) to live. the pension is gone with one visit to the wal-mart. then what about a house, a car, medical insurance in the USA, plane tickets, living expenses, utility bills????
x 116 (exchange rate)
Greetings Gentlemen!
I see DefenceWire's fear of getting fired from MOD's IT labs in this article. One day you will have to choose a side.
Lets choose the right MAN as president. Remember it's one man we elect not a whole party.
(In 2005 it wasn't really SLFP that won the elections)
retired army general and politician SF's security can be very well handled by the gajaba regiment!!
there is no earthly reason why ONLY sinha regiment should be in charge.
but i hope they will keep his security detail at a decent level. of course it should be lower than CDS and ministers but reasaonable and comensurate with a retired army commander. not too high not too low.
LM,
greetings.
but he MUST have a set of ministers to run the country.
and 113+ MPs.
MR had to rely on MOST corrupt ministers bcos he couldn't run it all by himself.
can SF or MR or RW find 113+ UNCORRUPTABLE MPs in SL parliament??
i'm 100% sure they cannot. not even 5!! NEVER!
Moshe,
SF disciplined and molded what was a fairly corrupt army in to a professional army.
I do not think we could have wiped out the LTTE without SF leading the men. MR and GR facilitated that process by staying out of his way.
Also, as a country we need to show some gratitude to people who saved us from suicide bombers etc. How many here lost friends and family to suicide bombers?
BTW, Sri Lanka needs to let SF retire with dignity. Sometimes a person can be hungry- but he/she may not want to be humiliated. Why could not MR and GR let SF stay on till 60th anniversary of the Army. Why was that so difficult for MR?
On the other hand, why do we assume SF wants to leave Sri lanka? The man only wants to live his life in peace. Let him do that with dignity and not try to humiliate him at every turn.
MR should look at his wife and may be he may see Mrs. Premadasa in there- at least in looks. MR and GR also lost in this stupid ego match. They went from a 100% electability to may be's.
Just so typical how arrogance gets in the way of peoples life.
BTW, MR should have got rid of his Mervins. It was not difficult while ago. But now it is near impossible. Says so much for Mervins staying power.
Worst nightmare would be if Mervin were to become Prime Minister or President of Sri Lanka. That will be 1000 times worst than R. Premadasa.
MD/Thusitha,
SF's living expenses and security is not something related to defence or national security anymore. He is now an ordinary citizen who has refused to work for the nation due to some personal grievances.
What he expected from the government when he criticised MR and GR. Don't be so naive to expect BODHISATHWA CHARITHA from MR or GR.
On the other hand, if he conniving with RW, Mangala and Mano; he shouldn’t need any security or money because he is now serving to welthy terrorists.
K @ K
Thusitha and Moshe,
Rajiv Gandhi letters are in JN Dixit's memoires "Assignment Colombo" and in Rohan Guneratna's book "Indian Intervention in Sri Lanka." JRJ, the traitor, who signed the Indo-Sri Lankan agreement and allowed Indian troops into Sri Lanka destroyed all of his official correspondence.
(there is one letter in Gen. Sinha Ranatunga's biography where JRJ asks Rajiv Gandhi permission to deploy Sri Lanka Army troops in border villages because villagers were being massacared by the LTTE. The request was promptly denied)
For many years I thought Premadasa was a traitor for arming the LTTE and for allowing 900 policemen to be captured. However, after reading the letters I did change my opinion of him.
I am a great admirer of Indian culture and history as I see Sri Lanka as being part of that larger cultural diaspora. However, long-term Indian intentions towards Sri Lanka are sinister and diabolical.
This is what India has tried to do and this what they will continue to do:
1) Using Tamils as surrogates to
create the ethnic problem.
2) Creating a situation where the Sri Lanka Government is dependent on India for its survival
3) Intervening under the guise of helping the Government of Sri Lanka or to assist one of the aggrieved parties
4) Creating a Cyprus-like situation
where their presence is essential for the preservation of the state and their withdrawal is not possible.
5) Long-term goal is annexation of some or all of Sri Lanka (I think India's annexation of Sikkim is a good example)
NNP,
Mate, where you have been all these days. I endorse almost every thing you said in last post.
MR is an ordinary, corrupt and thuggish politician. Only good thing he did is winning the war against terror.
However, he did that to save our mother land from very possible disastrous situ.
SF also similar, nothing much, good soldier, good public servant, dedicated patriot but that is not good enough to kneel before him and offer anything he asked on a platter.
K @ K
Keshara, MR and GR and not KINGS of Sri Lanka to dole out as and when they feel the retirement benefits of Government Servants of Sri Lanka- namely SF's.
People I said this in May 2009 - do not put MR or GR (or SF) on a pedestal. They are not kings. We are grateful for getting the terrorism out of Sri Lankn's life - but we are also not slaves.
What if SF sides with US investigation and becomes a protected witness in US?? Then all his living security etc is take care of. MR and GR should also be very careful.
BTW, I hope, Ponna Ranil and rest of the trash is also never elected in sri lanka. These are power hungry corrupt etc will do anything to stay in power.
Guys time to go. I regularly visit the blog - but did not post.
Most times nothing to add to the discussion.
But now the situation is sad. At the rate we are going - we will not get the peace that people are hoping for.
Now it is like in Sinhala they say " Kirihaliye goma watuna wage" -- in English cow dung in the milk bucket -- */deep translation both came from the same animal. One is pure goodness other is trash. Mix of the two is closer to the trash./*
Take care guys.
NNP,
Good, mate. You and I radiating positive energy with same wave length in synchronisation.
Well come to the DW’s uncaring bastard blog which is nothing more than a open cesspit full of shit most of the time.
K @ K
kk,
i never said MR, GR, etc. are such!!
they are also power seeking politically motivated ppl.
so is SF and his friends.
there are no idealists and SF is not one. he made it very clear that he would live in the USA. his wife is in the US. they have expenses denominated in $$$s but earnings in rs.
nnp,
"On the other hand, why do we assume SF wants to leave Sri lanka?"
SF applied for green card when he was a serving army officer of SL. very rare situ when talking about divided loyalty. to two countries.
IF SL serves him right he will stay in SL. his earnings are in SL. we need to respect him but need not be his mervyns.
agree, if ANY OF THE mervyn sakkiliyas become PM or president, we are STUFFED TOTALLY.
I'm past half way in "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins.
I recommend it as a must read for every Earth Citizen. There is nothing we can do about it, but it is a giant phenomena which shaped the entire globe in past 50 odd years and caused most of major crisis that we see all over the place. And of course it was intended to be a secret.
I'm desperate to know where the SL of today sits in it. We're upto the time of conspiracy and faction among patriots. We see lots of suspicious people holding high seats in govt. Also we see some diplomats bearing hallmarks of Hitmen getting involved with SL affairs. In addition to all these there is the Indian Factor.
For America SL will soon become a strategic spot. I'm not sure whether we'll find Oil here. But by being a naval center with a harbour soon formed at most strategic place in Indian Ocean [H'tota], with three main game players in Asian context China, Russia and India having their hands tangled in dark, I believe that Uncle Sam has a different view on SL.
It is a concern for all the patriots in whatever camp. John Perkins cannot be lying about the fact that Jackal steps in where Hitman fails. We have too much evidence for that in past 50 years.
Funding from Iran, China, Russia, and priority for India and China in our harbours, is technically a failure of Hitmen.
And of course the total plan can be altered with pussycat cash cow.
When I wrote this last time few guys said I'm imagining things. But I still am not convinced of their assurance. If you study the past "unusual oustings" of power and "coups" [by all means I don't say SF has connection in this OK?] and "accidents" that happen to key political figures, they all have the hallmarks of ppl like MR, SF, GR etc.
I fear for them. All of them, no matter what camp they choose.
Moshe,
Good to see you and everyone else live!
The real question is whether Ranil, JVP and etc would really want SF to stay in presidency?
I wish SF would abolish executive presidency and step down. I see him as a man of that caliber...
I talked to a retired army officer who knows some of the army personalities including General Sarath Fonseka. I asked him about the possibility of General Fonseka staging a coup. He laughed and then gave his reasons. Here are some of the reasons. Among the many innovative things that General Fonseka did to win the thirty year war was to totally disregard the army seniority system. He took junior officers who were capable and gave them responsible command positions and in the process by-passed and antagonized senior officers. He took NCOs and made them officers--something totally unheard of in Sri Lanka's army tradition. He bullied people to get his way. He threw out people from the army whom he disliked. All of these things no doubt made him the most successful army chief Sri Lanka ever had but it did not make him win any popularity contests. He was respected and feared but not popular among a large segment of the senior officer corps.
One of the pre-requisites for a coup is that the ring leader must be a popular and a charismatic personality who can sway his subordinates to do something completely illegal. The mastermind of Sri Lanka's attempted 62 coup, Colonel Fredercick De Saram, was a charismatic and popular personality within the clique of army officers.
In this context, why would senior officers follow illegal orders from someone like General Fonseka ?
As I said earlier, this wild theory of a coup is fear mongering at best.
MR. President your popularity does not belong to you. It belongs to the People.
It is essential that the President bear in his mind that his popularity is not his; it belongs to people. Therefore people are at liberty to dwindle it for whatever reason they can think of and President cannot question it. People are even entitled to flock to the other side to take revenge even if that itself is a grave error.
In such a situation President should ask himself what wrongs I have done. He cannot take people for granted. Power and popularity are momentary illusions. He cannot think whatever I do I am immune to the wrath of people since I united the country. This kind of attitude is the worst betrayal of the country and sacrifices made by our armed forces and people. "I have united the country so they owe me." This is purely CBK type thinking. "I am the Queen and they must worship even if I happen to be a drunken with out any morals."
After the war it seems like that the President has taken things for granted. Anarkali is one example of them. I appreciate Mr. Gotabhya Rajapaksha's and Mr. Basil Rajapkhas's involvement in the Government. They are assets. However, popping up of his relatives in every little corner is despicable. Foreign policy is another concern. Among many positive things in the foreign policy sphere there are careless and reckless acts such as inviting military dictators. Relationships can be maintained without being seen as glorifying brutality. Can we condemn one brute and party with another?
Having said that now I would like to comment on Mr. Fonseka's affair. Mr. Fonseka was seen as having political ambitions even at the height of the conflict. He made some political comments. For example, he stated that Sri Lanka belonged only to Sinhalese. At that time, the President would have felt the need of removing him. Regardless how heroic or instrumental they are in war against brutal forces like LTTE Army Generals cannot express political views in public forums. When they do civilian rulers cannot look in the other way. The reason that the President did not act at this particular instance might have been that he did not want to rock the boat at the wrong time. The General was making unnecessary comments belittling the Navy and Air Force. We all know how instrumental the army was in the victory against the LTTE but his claim of 95% showed his total callousness and arrogance and egotistic mind setup. (To be continued)
CASC said...
5) Long-term goal is annexation of some or all of Sri Lanka (I think India's annexation of Sikkim is a good example)
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CASC,
That might be there goal, but it is hard for me to believe that SL could annex SL. Even the Colonial powers couldn't do it at a time when we were very weak.
Also current and new generations have less and less apatite for this type of silly games. Having said that being vigilant is good.
Only thing that worries me about whole SF saga is whether our army would become a casualty of this. GR hopefully keep on increasing our army numbers. We definitely need combat readiness for at least few more years. That way people would think twice before screwing around with SL.
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2) Creating a situation where the Sri Lanka Government is dependent on India for its survival
This is another issue that we have to be careful. That is why I like the idea of MR engaging with countries like Iran, Burma, Vietnam e.t.c. This does look bad for outside observers, but again these will reduce external meddlers from destabilizing our country. We need to try this formula because our previous formula for sucking up to the west has bought nothing but grief to SL. As far as I can see there are no friends in the west (Military corporation does not mean these nations are friendly).
His ganging up with Mr. RW and Mr. Samaraweera clan verifies his cynical mental set up. If he were innocent then he would have retired and stayed away from politics at least for a while rather than pairing up with the enemies of the Nation. Humanistic and democratic views are one thing and using them to achieve ulterior motives is another thing. General should know that it is not possible for the Government to immediately release refugees. The Government has given a time frame. What I observe is that even though this time frame fledge may not be exactly fulfilled there are good efforts to honour it. I do not mind if people campaign for the welfare of the refugees. We all must to do so and encourage the Government to expedite the process without compromising national security but this should not be allowed to be a pretext for LTTE agents.
How did his letter of resignation end up in LNW? Either he leaked it or the Government did it. It is highly unlikely that LNW is a part of a cynical government scheme. It is more likely that the general is a close associate of LNW. Consider the email circulated by LNW which was later disowned by the General. Are these mere coincidences?
I think any civilian ruler who suspects a military coup-due to audacity of the military personnel (whether it is not proven- when it is proven that may be too late) needs to act vigilantly, judiciously and quickly. The President has done just that. He did not imprison the man. Given that he was capable of lining up with RW and Samaraweera we can deduce how dangerous he could be and understand duplicity of his aspirations. I think he could be more dangerous than RW and Mangala clan. The President, if he is in proper mind, cannot take any risk. If these were just rumours, as a military commander he should have taken a step backward understanding that he had crossed the line but he did not; instead he marched forward in the reverse gear. This shows what his real intentions are. I may be wrong and I earnestly wish I were wrong but I am glad that no chances were taken.
One part of us is nostalgic that this is all but a dream played out by the Government and the General to fool the Opposition. This is much more vicious than that. This is a conspiracy hatched by the General, Opposition and Foreign agents against the Nation of Sri Lanka. Again I hope that I am wrong.
If the security of the General is removed, even an iota, it tells me that the President himself acts against the Nation by providing political weapons to the enemies of the Nation.
Finally if any thing happens to Mother Lanka-If RW or his agents and associates come to power at this juncture, then I think that History will judge even the President as a traitor. If he loves Sri Lanka then he should not be reacting to Mangala. For example consider putting Anarkali on the Government ticket to counter an anticipated move by Mangla to put her on the UNP ticket. People have not elected him to engage in these silly games. Is the President obsessed with Mangala? The President needs to govern for the Nation realising that he has a historical opportunity to make Sri Lanka a better place. He himself made the best opportunity out of the worst pending scenario. Why waste it now? Why act like CBK? (Concluded)
Thanks!
Swarnajith Udana
MD,
Dear friend, SF's income/expenditure balance sheet is no more a national security problem of SL.
That is a personal problem to a private citizen SK, now on.
sk,
so they say the cold war is over!!!
it may have, but a worse cold war is in the offing. china will play a strategic role in that.
while europe was the main victim of the 1945-1991 cold war, asia will be the main victim of this one.
inevitably SL's political groups will align with MORE US/india camp and china camp. their rivalries are going to get WORSENED. there will be money too with them donated by the big boys.
sadly always SL gets the wrong end of everything. MR-GR-SF team's manipulation of china-india relation is an exception.
kk,
"SF's income/expenditure balance sheet is no more a national security problem of SL."
of course. but it affects the SF POLITICIAN. and his "ability" to rid corruption!!
Keshara-කේශර said...
MD,
Dear friend, SF's income/expenditure balance sheet is no more a national security problem of SL.
That is a personal problem to a private citizen SK, now on.
Keshara,
That may be the case. But if something happens to Sarath Fonseka regardless of whether it was caused by the LTTE, UNP, SLFP or some foreign power, who will be blamed ultimately ? Not only will the people jump to that conclusion, the country after such a scenario may be ungovernable.
CASC,
If something happened to SF, people of SL will behave exactly as expected, they will shout, curse, swear, dance and sing for few days and go back to the routine as usual.
Country will go on because they have seen it so many times before.
K @ K
Thusitha said ....Only thing that worries me about whole SF saga is whether our army would become a casualty of this.
Thusitha,
This is a great tragedy. The fact that the Indian military went on alert to disrupt a non-existent coup in Sri Lanka will no doubt have a big impact on the soldiers morale. After being built up as heroes and guardians of Sri Lanka's security, it is a slap in their face to be told that they can't be trusted and that some foreigners may be required to safeguard the country.
From the eelamist editor of the Asian Tribune
By K.T.Rajasingham
Colombo, 14 November, (Asiantribune.com)
When there was a move by some disgruntled group in the army to surreptitiously stage a coup with a view to snatch power through the barrel of gun, Sri Lanka Government rightly turned to India which kept it troops on high alert on the 15th October to overcome any eventually.
This startling disclosure, made by General Sarath Fonseka himself in his letter of resignation addressed to President Mahinda Rajapaksa, clearly shows that Sri Lanka had survived another grave disaster, so soon after an end to the 30-year-old ethnic conflict. Yet, the General finds fault with Sri Lanka Government for having taken such a precautionary measure to safeguard the country from the brink of a new disaster
By K.T.Rajasingham
Yet, the General finds fault with Sri Lanka Government for having taken such a precautionary measure to safeguard the country from the brink of a new disaster
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What if SF take over via coup. Do you think India could have stopped it. No way. Is India going to high alert does not mean anything. Only thing India could have done was to give political asylum to MR and GR.
If India does invade, they cant do it with a few commandos. It has to be a full fledged invasion with a naval blockade, I agree with Thusitha that MR was only worried about his personal fortunes when he went to Indian HC for protection..
However how the hell did MR get such an idea? Did SF threaten him, or is their a RAW mole quite high up in our intelligence set up?
I think this is a moment of national importance that the four prelates should convene a meeting with the presence of GR/MR/SF..Not a big fan of mixing state and religion, but this is kind of like Sadhathissa fighting Dutugemunu..
Re: Current political situ
Diyasena, Four prelates are not so pure or in a higher seat to command these guys sadly. Four prelates have chosen their sides based on their alliances with leaders.
Only hope about SF is that he'll come back oneday. When he gets the real touch of politics he'll know that no side is pure and everyone is equally cunning and corrupted. Also he'll see lots of evil plots among them.
That may lead him to possible three lines.
1. Realizing that MR gives still the best leadership. [For that Mr should change a bit as he's currently heading somewhere else] Hence join MR in long run. Note that there is a severe political vacuum after Mr retires. A mature SF will just fit there.
2. Create his own party. We badly want the third alternative. But it is a gradual process. He has backing of ppl, but initially he'll have little number of seats. SL will be better off with a third NORMAL party than having two. It will eliminate the extremist gangs and always provide a better alternative and good support in parliament.
Making a new party is hard. Not everyone can do it. But in many countries ppl like SF have done it. And in SL Banda did it in 1952 and Lalith + clan did it in 1990. It is better if SF can bring more veterans than existing crap-politicos.
3. Retirement from all. This is the default, and likely scenario.
Those who keep on slinging mud at SF, pls be aware that this is just the start of his political career. He's got a long way to go and in next two, three years he'll learn a lot and change his path accordingly. Do not attack him like mad bulls. I don't expect that from MR, but you patriots should be resilient.
Biggest concern is about SF's life. If he associates with UNA, even if we give him the entire Singha Regiment he's unsafe. As at the top he's working with pussycats. Sarath Manamendra who's in charge of integration of SF with UNA, is an LTTE trained revolutionary arse who was arrested with connections to claymores. It is no joke that SF stand a good chance of assassination by pussycats with RW, Mongala backing.
I said that there is a narrow chance to defeat MR in PE. I never considered the possibility of an assassination. Assassination of a big guy would easily take RW into exe prez and these guys gotta be worried about it.
Not only that, I still foresee a great American influence on us soon. Butenis exhibits the characteristics of Perkins' description of Hit[wo]man. And MR exhibits the characteristics of Perkins list of CIA ousted rulers. If anything missing that is the lack of importance of SL resources to US. But with the coming of H'tota harbor and great Chinese presence there, all the zoo of CIA teams, wolves Jackals Hitmen will suddenly find SL as a hot spot. For all of them, SL is the easiest place. They don't have to waste a lot of time in plotting. Pussycats are there for all mercenary acts for them, with RW/Mangy/Ravi to lead the political front.
We're into the era of conspiracy.
Who does the Rajapaksa family trust?
Sri Lanka Army? Or the Indian Army?
They thought Sri Lanka Army will coup so they asked Indian Army to come to our country? Why?
Do they think Indian Army is better for Sri Lanka than Sri Lankan Army?
Gents,
I can’t understand why we have a division here. Who fought the war Sarath or Mahinda? Who faced suicide bombers and jonny mines Sarath or Mahinda? Mahinda only rode on Sarath’s work. Anyone can do that. Can we find another Sarath? We can find plenty of Mahindas and Ahindas. But not Saraths.
Don’t wait till Sarath dies to sing his praise. Do it when he is alive. Vote for him even if he comes from TNA. Never forget the country before the army finished the pussycats. Bombs in busses, suicide bombers, attacks on border villages, shooting in temples.
I’m not against patriots with different views.
Maravin gona hoo kiya kiya kichawenne
Heluwen nataa goo tika tika lewakanne
Boruwen sadaa pana gaetagahagena yanne
Maduwen gasaa miharakawa marawanne
SF's media brief at Kelaniya
He said;
- as long as he bears the uniform he's not gonna say ANYTHING about political alliances [yes he never did].
- So far he worked for people, and in future too he will.
- He will explain his plan right after retirements.
- After war victory he never thought of retiring, nor in entering politics, but now he decided to retire.
Only good thing about SF hanging around is, IF MR turns into a megalomanic, we have an alternative. But that is only if he stays away from UNA, and not contesting PE now. He should work hard on post PE and aim 2016.
2016 will be a time of crisis in UPFA. There will be lots of conflicts among ranks. We see nobody with any charisma, other than MR/GR, whereas latter has no political skill/interest.
SF should target 2016, and build his campaign with similar veterans like him. And should be extra careful about possible enemies with Sarath Manamendra and shud not rush into any political suicide. And of course his safety too.
There is no doubt that the no 1 endangered individual in this country is SF right now. Many parties will exploit this as MR will be the bearer of the blame.
SF 2016 is something I'd support. But not a political suicide of SF 2011
PriyaS;
It depends on the setup with SF. SF as ruler is OK. BUT SF as ruler with RW and his clan in cabinet is not. Worst is if SF becomes flag bearer for RW to come to exe power [as PM or Prez]
Also chances of SF made matyr, politically and physically.
In my view there is no room for SF to contest here right now. He should atke his time. Go on low note, with excess care. MR is not going in right direction, and ppl would need a change in 2016, and RW will not fulfill it.
Right now only reason why MR gets votes is RW, and of course his development projects.
I'm hand in hand with you for teh Vas Kaviya to Maravin. I'm sure you can write a whole book for the goons in MR's side and a whole book series for RW side.
One prelate has spoken
So, most ppl [as expected] recommend the PE in right time, and GE next year:
This gives SF the timne to breath and understand the reality. In the mean time lots of changes will happen in SL. SF can organize his future plans well. And MR will have to correct him somewhere in the process.
Good idea for the country to have PE in 2012.
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සියල්ලටම පෙර පළාත් පාලන ඡන්දය පවත්වමු
ප්රබල ඇමැතිවරු පිරිසකගෙන් ජනාධිපතිට යොජනාවක්
ජනිත සෙනෙවිරත්න
මහ මැතිවරණයට හෝ ජනාධිපතිවරණයට පෙර පළාත් පාලන මැතිවරණය පවත්වන ලෙසට රජයේ ප්රබල ඇමැතිවරුන් පිරිසක් ජනාධිපතිවරයාගෙන් ඉල්ලා තිබේ.
ඉදිරි දින කිහිපය තුළ පළාත් පාලන මැතිවරණය ප්රකාශයට පත්කර ලබන ජනවාරි මස මැදදී එය පවත්වන ලෙස ද ඉන් අනතුරුව පාර්ලිමේන්තු මැතිවරණය පවත්වා ජනාධිපතිවරණය නියමිත කාලයට පවත්වන ලෙස මෙම පිරිස ඉල්ලා තිබේ.
පවතින දේශපාලන තත්ත්වය මත රජයට වඩාත්ම වාසිසහගත පළාත් පාලන මැතිවරණය බව මෙම පිරිස පෙන්වා දී තිබේ.
පළාත් පාලන මැතිවරණයට ප්රබල අපේක්ෂකයන් ඉදිරිපත් කරන්නට විපක්ෂයට අවස්ථාවක් නොලැබීම තුළ රජයේ ජයග්රහණය ස්ථිර බව පෙන්වා දී ඇති මෙම පිරිස එම ජයග්රහණය හරහා සෙසු මැතිවරණ ජය ගැනීම පහසු බව පෙන්වා දී තිබේ.
මේ පිළිබඳ අවසන් තීරණය හෙට (15 දා) කොළඹදී පැවැත්වෙන ශ්රී ලංකා නිදහස් පක්ෂ මහා සම්මේලනයේදී ජනාධිපති මහින්ද රාජපක්ෂ මහතා විසින් ප්රකාශයට පත්කරනු ඇතැයි දේශපාලන ආරංචි මාර්ග සඳහන් කරයි.
පළාත් පාලන ආයතනවල නිල කාලය නිල වශයෙන් අවසන් වීමට නියමිතව ඇත්තේ 2010 අප්රේල් මාසයේය.
One man is still focused on what really matters. We need to see him within the admin as long as we can:
ඇමරිකාව ශ්රී ලංකාවේ යුද අපරාධ ගැන
සොයන්නේ අපේම අයගේ ප්රකාශ නිසයි
ගෝඨාභය රාජපක්ෂ කියයි
කීර්ති වර්ණකුලසූරිය
ඇමරිකාව යුද අපරාධ සහ මානව හිමිකම් උල්ලංඝනය කිරීම් ගැන සොයන්නේ ශ්රී ලංකාවට පැමිණීමෙන් නොවන බවත් මෙහේ සිටින ඇතැමුන් කර ඇති ප්රකාශ නිසා බවත් ආරක්ෂක ලේකම් ගෝඨාභය රාජපක්ෂ මහතා පැවැසීය.
ඇමරිකානු වාර්තාවේ ඇති කරුණු ගැන විමර්ශනය කළහොත් එහි ඇත්තේ මානව හිමිකම් ගැන හඬ නඟන දෙදෙනකුගේ ප්රකාශයි. මේ ප්රකාශ පදනම් විරහිතයි යෑයි හෙතෙම කියා සිටියේය.
ඇමරිකානු බලධාරීන් ශ්රී ලංකාවට ඇවිත් තොරතුරු හෙව්වේ නැහැ. ඔවුන්ගේ වාර්තාවලට හේතුවී ඇත්තේ අපේ අයම සැපයූ වැරදි වාර්තා යෑයි රාජපක්ෂ මහතා සඳහන් කළේය.
My few cents on "your" problems:
While I have little love for Fonseka, I do respect the guy.
I think respect for his honesty, in particular, is universal. His comment about "minorities" to National Post, though bitter, was brutally honest.
If he becomes president, I do believe that he'll put an end to corruption. Corruption is not endemic to the island as many seem to believe. It appears that in the pre-Srimavo era the island was largely graft free and the police force, for example, was widely respected.
With end to corruption there may well be hope for economic development. Often, it is economic hardship that exasperates ethnic differences. Even in US and EU, "race" and xenophobia are of issue only in economically deprived areas (South of US and East of EU).
Close to come, in Trinco and Jaffna, chain of corruption is what keeps the locals at odds with the soldiers and the state apparatus. Those on duty in NE have to demand sums from locals in order to "donate" to their seniors for a transfer. This increases animosity from locals, makes the job even more dangerous and increases amount of donation needed for transfer. The cycle eats away.
I've always maintained that the 13th Amendment is an unnecessary waste of our collective resources. The PC system in general does not add any value to Sinhalese nor Tamils. However, a selection of Tamils who make hay out of ethnic politics will want Rajapaksa for eventual "full implementation" of 13th. Anadasanagree, Devandanda and even Pillaiyan may be amongst that group.
And, India ought to be recognised as our collective enemy. India created and destroyed the LTTE. But, in that process, many thousands from both our communities suffered. It is in the interest of both Tamils and Sinhalese to keep India at bay. Fonseka seems to recognise this. He has always maintained closer ties to Pakistan and China who will balance out the regional interests and keep the island free of any direct Indian intervention.
Last time Indians were on the island I worked with the the Sri Lankan state to remove them. Now you have another golden opportunity to permanently lock out Indians from the island. So, think deep about the positives Fonseka will bring to the table. He may be the only way to end instability, not just ethnic.
Keshara aka Rana,
Ponna nariyo, thoge aluth nama haedai eth apiwa rawattanna bae.
You are a mental case. Your hate other bloggers for no reason.
Remember Anushka veshi? I remember her.
[[so they say the cold war is over!!!
it may have, but a worse cold war is in the offing. china will play a strategic role in that.]]
Moshe;
Cold war between Russia and Us was about military might. But taht with China and US is regarding economic might. It is a war lost by Americans.
Military aspects are still important and that is when the H'tota harbor will matter.
As you said. Hotspot is Asia, notably Indian Ocean. Not only it carries future super powers [military]. It has most consumers [economic], and the access to almost every Muslim Nation [ideological/terrorist].
So, the raping of South America in 50-70s, and muddling of Europe during Russian cold war are gone. Now it is the time of Asian conquer, a battle lost already.
Sri Lanka sits right in the middle of teh plate, with its easy handlers of Pussycats and RW readily available. US will be very much interested.
Fonseka gets letter from President to vacate post
Life is so funny.
Fonseka 2010 and his Sarath Fonseka -Next Sri Lankan President created a F/B page to make SF context 2010 [possible] PE. It has grown upto 16000 members in more than a month, but most of them were opposing rather than supporting so the admin had to block the comments.
Then someone has created the F/B page, Sarath Fonseka Greatest General, Not BILLY BOY of UNP to win Election and phew in 6 days it has grown upto 6000+ membership.
Ironically most ppl in the new page were the fans of previous.
Good reply to Sarath Manamendra.
[The official also said that according to the letter the General can have one farewell ceremony tomorrow or on Monday prior to his immediate retirement.]
This is ridiculous ! :(
Based on the latest edition of a popular Tamil weekly, it is known that parents of LTTE leader Prabhakaran, Vellupillai and Parvathyammal are confined in the treacherously famed 'fourth floor' detention centre by the Sri Lankan army.
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"Keshara aka Rana, Ponna nariyo, thoge aluth nama haedai eth apiwa rawattanna bae."
hehehe....nice catch!
I know this "Keshara" (Incest Rana) is also the same as this "Panhinda"
Once a RW=arselicker is always one.
Just interested in replacing a corrupt regime with a 10 times more one!
I wonder if this Rana fukkface is still fingering his daughters (as he once admitted to, in this blog)?
oh oh...
This Peter LTTE sakkiliya coming and batting for SF does not look good.
This might tell us how to read the tea leaves better.
Currently I hear the RW/LTTE/TNA is working on a strategy called "first step first"....well, it does not take a PhD to figure what that is.
President asks Mahanayakes to control the General
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Diyasena said...
I think this is a moment of national importance that the four prelates should convene a meeting with the presence of GR/MR/SF..Not a big fan of mixing state and religion, but this is kind of like Sadhathissa fighting Dutugemunu..
Diyasena,
In the last GE, when things got too rough between Mahinda Rajapakse and Sajith Premadasa in the Hambantota district, whom MR considered intruding on his turf, the prelates issued a statement asking them (a statement directed mostly at MR rather than Sajith Premadasa) to cool it and MR did heed their call. The Prelates have now given MR honourific titles and MR considers himself a protector of the Sasana and Sangha. I think he will heed such a call. I wish thishad happened earlier though. Of course, no one knew the extent of the estrangement until it was revealed by General SF.
November 14, 2009 2:17 PM
Thusitha said...What if SF take over via coup. Do you think India could have stopped it. No way. Is India going to high alert does not mean anything. Only thing India could have done was to give political asylum to MR and GR.
Thusita,
India does not need time to mobilize its resources to come to Sri Lanka. All it needs is an invitation. Large countries already have reources and troops pre-positioned for such eventualities. It took less than half a day for the Indian Navy hospital ship to arrive in Galle Harbour after the 2005 tsunami. It took India 18 hours to land paratroopers in Male after the 89 Maldivian coup, which was planned and sponsored by India's intelligence agencies. It took India less than 24 hours to land some of its forward elements in Sri Lanka after the 87 Indo-Sri Lanka agreement. Of course we are not talking about paratroopers landing under hostile conditions. They will be here by invitation for the noble task of "safeguarding" Sri Lanka.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1987IPKF/index.html
MR and GR fucked SF. The drama tells that they love themselves more than their love for the country. SF is not the leader Sri Lanka looking for.
Bottom line is guys, if you are a patriot, every wants you to bend over, put a twig in across your teeth and suck up the pain while they are riding on you.
Sam, it is a sad for a patriot, isn't it?
LTTE mother fuckers are now laughing through their tears.
There is good news for them since SF is not getting the power.
There is this saying... the job of a good engineer is to loose his job. That happened to SF. He made himself useless by being successful.
Unfortunate thing is that in Sri Lanka, there are no room for winners, bright, talented, intelligent, and successful.
We are the crabs in the bucket!!!!!!!
Trivia time!
Who are those three Srilankans nominated for Nobel-peace prize by drunkard,KB?
A dream come true:
වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකායක් පිහිටුවයි
සිරිමන්ත රත්නසේකර
මෙරට මුහුදු ආර්ථික කලාපයට අනවසර ධීවර යාත්රා හා අනෙකුත් අනවසර යාත්රා ඇතුළුවීම වැළැක්වීම සඳහා වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකායක් පිහිටුවීමට රජය තීරණය කර ඇත.
ලබන වසරේ (2010) ජනවාරි මස තුළදී මෙම වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකාය රාජකාරි කටයුතු ආරම්භ කරන බව ධීවර නියෝජ්ය ඇමැති නියෝමාල් පෙරේරා මහතා "දිවයින ඉරිදා සංග්රහය"ට පැවසීය.
මෙම වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකාය මගින් මෙරට ධීවර යාත්රා පිළිබඳව ද විමර්ශනය කරනු ලබන බවත් මෙරට ධීවර යාත්රාවන් මහ සයුරේදී මුහුණ දෙන ආපදාවන්වලදී කඩිනම් ආධාර ලබාදීමේ කටයුතු ලබාදීමට මෙම බළකාය යොදා ගැනීමට සැලසුම් කර ඇති බවත් හෙතෙම පැවසීය.
නාවික හමුදාව මාර්ගයෙන් මෙම වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකාය ක්රියාත්මක වන බවත් මෙම බළකායට අවශ්ය නාවික යාත්රා නාවික හමුදාවෙන් ලබාගෙන ඇති බවත් නියෝජ්ය ඇමැතිවරයා සඳහන් කළේය.
මෙම වෙරළ ආරක්ෂක බළකාය ඉදිරියේදී තවත් පුළුල් කරනු ලබන බවත් මෙරට මුහුදු ආර්ථික කලාපය පිළිබඳ නිරීක්ෂණය කිරීම සඳහා නියමුවන් රහිත යානා සහ ගුවන් යානා යොදා ගැනීමටත් සැලසුම් කර ඇති බව හෙතෙම පැවසීය.
1 mill families are landless. And we have more than 15000 sq km of land in Wanni. Take 2000 sq km for current inhabitants, and another 5000 sq km for water and jungle. You still have 8000sq km, and that is a staggering 2mill acres. Give them an acre each still you consume half of it.
Come on SL. Fight any bullshit you like, but do not give up the ethnic integration and recolonization.
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පවුල් ලක්ෂ 10 කට බිම් අඟලක්වත් නෑ
ප්රියදර්ශන ලියනගේ
පවුල් ලක්ෂ දහයකට වැඩි පිරිසකට උපන් බිමේ බිම් අඟලකවත් නීත්යානුකූල අයිතියක් නැතැයි ඉඩම් හා ඉඩම් සංවර්ධන අමාත්යංශය දීප ව්යාප්තව රට පුරා සිදුකරන ලද සමීක්ෂණයක් මගින් අනාවරණය කොට ගෙන ඇත.
මෙම සමීක්ෂණය සඳහා උතුර පළාත හැර බස්නාහිර, දකුණ, මධ්යම, ඌව, සබරගමුව, වයඹ හා නැගෙනහිර ඇතුළු පළාත් හතක ජනතාව සහභාගි කරවාගෙන තිබේ.
මේ පිළිබඳ "දිවයින ඉරිදා සංග්රහය"ට අදහස් දැක්වූ ඉඩම් හා ඉඩම් සංවර්ධන ඇමැති ජීවන් කුමාරතුංග මහතා සඳහන් කළේ පදිංචිය සඳහා නිවසක් ඉදිකර ගැනීමට රජයේ ඉඩම් කැබැල්ලක් තමන් වෙත ලබාදෙන ලෙස ඉල්ලා පවුල් ලක්ෂ පහකට වැඩි පිරිසක් රජයෙන් ලිතව මේ වන විටත් ඉල්ලීම් කොට ඇති බවයි. ඉඩම් හිමි දෙමාපියන් තමන්ගෙන් පසු ඉඩම්වල අයිතිය සමසේ දරුවන්ට බෙදා නොදී එක්කෙනෙකුට හෝ දෙන්නෙකුට පමණක් පවරාදී සපයා ඇති වැරදි පූර්වා දර්ශයක්ද ඇතැම් සහෝදර සහෝදරියන් දෙමාපියන්ට බලපෑම් කොට සියලු ඉඩකඩම් තමන්ගේ නමට පමණක් ලියාගෙන සිදුකර ඇති වැරදි නිසාද ඉඩම් නොමැති පවුල් සංඛ්යාව විශාල වශයෙන් ඉහළ ගොස් තිබෙන බවද ඇමැතිවරයා වැඩිදුරටත් පැවසීය.
ශ්රී ලංකාවේ මුළු ඉඩම් ප්රමාණය හෙක්ටයාර් මිලියන 6.5 පමණ වන අතර මෙම සංඛ්යාවෙන් හෙක්ටයාර් මිලියන 5.2 එනම් ප්රතිශතයක් ලෙස 80% රජයේ ඉඩම් වන අතර ඉතිරි 20% පෞද්ගලික ඉඩම් වේ.
Sujeewa,
The Coastal Security unit is a dream come true indeed.
The fact that it is under the Navy and not a seperate service entity makes it even better.
A gem of an article by one of our great journalists "Prof Hudson McLean" on the Fonseka saga.
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2009/11/14/has-the-president-created-his-own-musharaff/
CASC,
How long Black Cats got to reach the place where recent Mumbai attack was happened??
Ado Rana aka Greencard aka Incest Dad
Sounds like you are used to a lot of pain in the rear end ah?
hehehe
Thanks Moshe for the reply!
We should also remember that we don't know the story from govt's (MR, GR) side.
We list of allegations from SF.
Anyone know govt's stance on these allegations?
It would be really interesting to know GR's reply to these.
And I believe GR should come out and reply to these (since the list is in public though it was confidential).
කුමන්ත්රනය ගැන කට්ටිය දාපු කමෙන්ට් වලින් තහවුරු වෙන්නෙ එකම එක කාරනයයි, ඒ සි0හලයාගෙ අමතක වීමේ ලක්ෂ්නයයි.
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The UNP-JVP unholy media machine wanted to create the myth that the gen. has been mistreated and break the people away from MR. Looks like they have been successful.
Magically the secrte resignation letter first appeared in UNP Lankanewsweb.
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Lets try to remind our selfves about the characters of the two people under consideration.
All the previous presidents were paranoid about coups to throw them out of power.
Premadas never left the country,
Chandriak never did during here firts term
Only brief visits during the second term.
Ranil never left, ironically the first time he left he was ousted.
Unlike them MR went around the world making new friends and trying to muster support for his campaign against terror.
Never even winked on the face of immense pressure by "international leaders"
In this context if MR was suspicious about something it might have been substantial.
Benefit of the doubt with MR.
SF on the other hand showed many signs of erratic egocentric behaviour.
2008 Apr, Muhamalai attack, based on false information, done totally disregarding the security council and operational hierarchy of this country.
Ended up being a blunder, costing us so many lives and hardware , almost stopped the war.
Repeated this same mistake in 2008 dec.
unnecessary clash with navy commander Karannagoda.
He never spoke to navy commander directly.
Talked out irresponsibly during war time, making the political handing of the war a nightmare.
Tamilnadu politicians are jokers.
Sri Lanka belongs to Sinhalese.
even after the war ended he didnt stop.
"95% of the war was done by the army"
what a primadonna
Then the chatter about SF being the common candidate was folated in early 2009 even when the war was going on.
Fist he said he will never come into politics then he started talking gibberish about it, and now hes running.
I also spoke to people in the army, even to guys in the sinha regiment.
I'm not going to state what they said here as there is no way of veryfying those.
I will also leave out the other unverified accusatuions and gossip.
given the history of his egocentric, irrational behavior and his blinding desire to be president.
The doubt weights heavily against Fonsie.
Friend Dhesha,
Can you explain what happened to the Keheliya Rambukwella??
Deshapalu;
I have no big comment about other ideas, but pls stop your Muhamalai crap. A war of that scale can't be battled w/o mistakes. We can look at it like this right now, but the debacles in KMN could never be predicted beforehand. Also our tri-force collaboration has been a record low, until the latter stages.
War is war. It never suits silver screen. Ppl die, ppl learn from mistakes and mistake means casualty. War cannot live up to ideal scenarios.
General won many wars, and lost few, and Muhamalai is onw. How can you say that the lost lives there went all awaste. They may have become lessons to win elsewhere, courage morale and inspiration.
Like to tell all our pals this. You can character assassinate SF the politician. We do not support him if he competes MR anyway. Yet you better have the dignity of not framing SF the commander by digging his war acts into political stage. It is a crime if you do so
Blogger B#1 said...
Friend Dhesha,
Can you explain what happened to the Keheliya Rambukwella??
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I dont know friend, news to me, tell me what you know.
As I have said numerous times, I dont have any insider information.
I just have a web browser with important news items bookmarked.
I have a fair Q for all the constitution experts.
Let's say SF came as UNA CC and won the election. Can he abolish exe presidency even if he wills?
To my knowledge, a decision like that needs to fulfill both below conditions.
1. 2/3 parliament vote
2. Referendum [50+%]
And there is nowhere they give power to the president to change constitution.
So even if SF abolishes it, it will never be a law in this country. It will become a resignation by him, and there will be a fresh presidential election then on.
Just wanna show you how idiotic the JVP/UNA clan is, and how opportunistic they choose their slogans.
I hope General SF is well aware of these facts.
Blogger Sujeewa Kokawala said...
Deshapalu;
I have no big comment about other ideas, but pls stop your Muhamalai crap. A war of that scale can't be battled w/o mistakes.
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The mistakes were purposeful, because of egocentricity.
Please go back and read the reports.
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You can character assassinate SF the politician.
Show me a one thing I have said, that is not backed up by evidence.
Blogger Sujeewa Kokawala said...
I have a fair Q for all the constitution experts.
Let's say SF came as UNA CC and won the election. Can he abolish exe presidency even if he wills?
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No. need the parliment 2/3
Deshapaluwa;
I'm not saying you're lying. But I'm saying that it is the kinda war that erupted. Mistakes do happen. It is always good to be offensive with mistakes than submit to enemy where you have no reason to do anything.
My simple request is to compete with SF on he basis of his politics, but not the war decisions.
You're spitting on your own face, if you do so.
Blogger Sujeewa Kokawala said...
Deshapaluwa;
My simple request is to compete with SF on the basis of his politics, but not the war decisions.
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First of all gen. brought war into politics.
His washington speech.
His very act of running for elected office on the basis of war.
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decisions can be of two types.
1.decisions based on battle tactics, for gaining battle advantage.
2.Decisions for personal political gain.
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I am not challenging anything of the first kind.
So I am within your constraints, brother.
Deshapaluwa;
Muhamalai is not a political gain. It is a mistake. I'm debating only about it.
General has not brought war related news for a gain. He never said that MR/GR made such and such mistake costing N lives etc.
There are ethics.
I have no issues that you debate and attack the political ideas od SF.
Blogger Sujeewa Kokawala said...
Deshapaluwa;
Muhamalai is not a political gain.
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Please read the reports, and defencenet comments.
Sunday Island - EDITORIAL
President Mahinda Rajapaksa is expected to reveal his hand on which election will come first – presidential or parliamentary – at the SLFP’s annual convention today. Most analysts and observers expected him to use his constitutional power, as four years of his first term run out this month, to call a premature presidential election two years ahead of the deadline and take advantage of the war victory. But as this is being written there were strong signals that there will be no early presidential election as was widely expected following Gen. Fonseka’s entry into the picture.
Dileepa said...
CASC,
How long Black Cats got to reach the place where recent Mumbai attack was happened??
Dileepa,
Let me ask you a similar question
How long did it take America to invade these countries and depose the leaders of those countries ?
Grenada, Panama and Haiti
The answer is less than 24 hours
How long will it take America to pacify Iraq or Afghanistan ?
The answer probably is decades or possibly never.
It is easier to invade a country and depose the political leadership than to rule a country.
Typically great powers rule other countries through surrogates.
India is a fifth of humanity. The number of people baring arms in India (all the services, paramilitary forces like the CRPF, Border Security Force, state police entities, etc is more than the entire population of Sri Lanka. The Indian military, especially the infantry is a third rate organization compared to todays Sri Lanka Army. Their advantage is sheer numbers and a vast stock of nuclear weapons. We underestimate them at our own peril.
As the final list of candidates is out for the popular elections of the Norwegian Council of Eelam Tamils (NCET) scheduled Sunday, 9 candidates contest for 5 seats of the national list and 28 candidates are in the fray for 10 seats under regional list. Figuring in the list are three native Norwegians and one Tamil of Tamil Nadu.
28-year-old Bjørnar Moxnes who contests under national list, is a postgraduate student of Sociology and is a group leader of the Rødt Party of left politics in Norway. Another group leader of this party contesting in Northern Region is 37-year-old mental-health therapist, Morten Qvam. Contesting from the same region is Lizbeth Stene, aged 57, who has personal experience of witnessing the plight of Tamils in the island.
Bugger! Another brilliant gut splitter from TamilNut. Smelly Salmon eaters are now officially wearing Sesame oil perfume.
I almost split my G&T on the keyboard. Peelam in Norway!
Cheers!
Those who make fun of few instance where SF errored need to remember the times - where SL ARMY with great fanfare leave the FDL lines get killed and retreat back further than they were- I remember this specially during CBK and also during that joker Rohan De S. Daluwatte was the commander. That Daluwatte was some mediocre army commander who oversaw the massacre of over thousand soldiers in Mulative. Then Ranil Ponnaya came and made it as worse with his stooges.
So lets not belittle what SF did to make the army in to a very professional fighting force that did the brunt of fighting.
Redignation letter- The one circulated in the media was somewhat different than the actual one.
"14. Resettlement process of the IDPs was also a point of concern. The IDPs are resettled in an ad hoc manner without proper infrastructure facilities to the dismay of most inmates. The Government has resorted to this course of action merely refusing to incur an additional expense for the betterment of the IDPs. This is indeed a short term remedy to get rid of the IDP issue. I strongly advocated that the resettlement should commence only after proper demining, providing necessary infrastructure facilities and on confirming of the identity of any infiltrated terrorists, thereby ensuring 100% safety and security to the younger generations among IDPs.
15. The conditions in the IDP centers is also a point of great concern to me. Thousands of valiant soldiers including members of the Navy, Air Force, Police and the Civil Defence Force sacrificed their valuable lives to liberate these unfortunate civilians from the brutality and tyranny of the LTTE in order that they could live in an environment of freedom and democracy. Yet, today many of them are continuing to live in appalling conditions due to the lack of proper planning and the reluctance to incur expenditure on the part of the Government.
16. The troop requirement for the resettlement is grossly insufficient and cannot sustain the demanding needs in the resettled areas, thus placing the innocent people in turmoil. Your Excellency's government is yet to win the peace in spite of the fact that the Army under my leadership won the war. There is no clear policy to ensure the security of the Tamil people thereby leaving room to ruin the victory attained, paving the way for yet another uprising in the future due to lack of security arrangements in the resettled areas.
17. Sri Lanka Army ensured the safe custody of approximately 10,000 surrendered LTTE cadres. But it is regrettably noted that so far no constructive action has been taken to methodically rehabilitate them in order to ensure that they get back to the society as properly rehabilitated law abiding citizens."
CASC said...
Grenada, Panama and Haiti
The answer is less than 24 hours
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You cannot compare them to SL. Our military is much better than this. No one these days want casualties.
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Their advantage is sheer numbers and a vast stock of nuclear weapons. We underestimate them at our own peril.
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Countries these days just cannot go to war. They need quite a good reason. Military coup in SL is not good enough for India to come and attack SL. For India to come an stop a coup, the government needs to have a substantial force who are resisting a coup. If the military was in SF side, there is nothing India or any other country can do about that. Look at the case of Honduras. Only thing they can do is put sanctions.
Moshe Dyan said...
there are no idealists and SF is not one. he made it very clear that he would live in the USA. his wife is in the US. they have expenses denominated in $$$s but earnings in rs.
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Wouldn't it be very easy for him to find a job in a security firm? Only problem might be his possible war crime charges.
If he end up living in U.S. I imagine he would end up paying large amount of money to lawyers to stopped him being prosecuted.
Thusiita,
....Look at the case of Honduras. Only thing they can do is put sanctions.
Thusita,
I think you are missing the point.
Who do you think orchestrated the coup in Honduras ?
When President Zelaya was ousted, he was flown directly to the Soto Cano military base in Honduras which has 600 US soldiers, and then taken out of the country.
"The Soto Cano base houses the US Joint Task Force-Bravo military group, composed of members from the army, air force, joint security forces and the First Batallion Regiment 228 of the US Air Force. The current total presence of US forces on the base numbers approximately 600, and includes 18 combat planes, UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and CH-47 Chinook helicopters, used for special warfare operations. The Honduran Aviation Academy is also located on the Soto Cano base. More than 650 Honduran and US citizens also live inside the base installations."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14390
Do you think the US was not involved in that coup ?
Why did the US Department of Homeland Security try to get General Fonseka to testify against Gotabhaya. If they were so concerned about genocide why not prosecute the General himself ?
These are great power games. The Americans, Indians and Chinese are all competing for influence.
Yes. Great powers don't invade other countries. They have other ways of doing these type of things.
Read Sujeewa Kolewala's reccomended book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman." I think you will get a flavour for how it has been done in the past.
CASC,
Thats what I meant..The Mahanayaka theros still have a significant pull over the rural base in SL..If they call for such a meeting the 'Thrisinhaladeeshwara' defender of the faith cannot refuse it..And neither can SF if he aspires to be president..Time is running short ATM though
Do any of you guys know whether SF can run for president whilst holding an American greencard? I know he is still a SL citizen, but there is a conflict of interest..
As a stalling tactic someone should challenge this in the Supreme court regarding its constitutionality and ask for a stay order on SF in the interim
Guys, plain and simple, SL politics is rotten and it just got more so.
Why did MR fear SF? MR place in history was set - but no more. He is as bad as CBK and Ponna Ranil who would promote the worst jackass in place of a competent employee.
Why? Why? All because of the fear of that person eclipsing them. This was the same mentality that Marcos of Philippines had.
Sri Lanka is not MR's private enterprise to give employment to his family members. We are seeing a despot in making. They should have let off on SF and kicked people like Mervin Silva. We were at a golden point in history where competence ruled.
Now it is back to family connections. What a waste.
Gen. Fonseka’s real letter-Courtesy Sunday Times
Here is the full text of the real letter General Fonseka sent President Rajapaksa seeking his retirement,
His Excellency the President
Through the Secretary, Ministry of Defence,
Public Security, Law and Order
Presidential Secretariat
COLOMBO 12th November 2009
Your Excellency
REQUEST TO RETIRE FROM THE REGULAR FORCE OF THE SRI LANKA ARMY
1. I, General G S C Fonseka RWP RSP VSV USP rcds psc presently serving as the Chief of Defence Staff, was enlisted to the Ceylon Army on 05th Feb 1970 and was commissioned on the 01st June 1971. On the 6th Dec 2005 due to the trust and confidence placed on me, Your Excellency was kind enough to promote me to the rank of Lieutenant General and appoint me as the Commander of the Sri Lanka Army in an era when the Country was embroiled with the menace of terrorism and was in a stalemate state after having toiled for a solution politically or otherwise for over 25 years without a success.
2. During my command of 3 years and 7 months, the Sri Lanka Army managed to eradicate the terrorist movement having apprehended an unbelievable stock of arms and munitions and decisively defeating the LTTE and its murderous leadership which Your Excellency is obviously aware of. I would not be exaggerating to state that I was instrumental in leading the Army to this historic victory, of course with Your Excellency's political support, which helped to materialize this heroic action. Though the field commanders, men and all members of the Army worked towards this common goal, it is with my vision, command and leadership that this yeomen task was achieved. I was determined to achieve this victory as I wanted to ensure that there is permanent peace and security for the future generation of the motherland.
3. I do appreciate the fact that the Country and Your Excellency did recognize my services which led to me being promoted to the first ever serving four star general to command the Army, nevertheless the courses of action which initiated subsequently greatly depressed me which I have enumerated in the Annex hereto.
4. Considering the facts mentioned in the Annex and more which I am privy to withhold, I am compelled to believe that Your Excellency and the Government has lost your trust and faith bestowed upon me for reasons only known to Your Excellency. Hence as the senior most serving military officer in the Country with 40 years of service, such a situation does not warrant a continuation of my duties any longer, thereby I have the honour to request that I be permitted to retire from the Regular Force of the Army with effect from 01st December 2009.
Gen. Fonseka’s real letter ctd.
5. Furthermore I have the honour to request that on retirement Your Excellency would be kind enough to grant me sufficient security which includes trained combat soldiers, a suitable vehicle with sufficient protection (Bullet proof), escort vehicles and dummy vehicles for my conveyances due to the fact that I am considered as one of the highest priority targets by the LTTE, which they are yet capable of achieving. Also, I wish to bring to Your Excellency's kind notice that over 100 men, six escort vehicles and a bullet proof vehicle have been placed at the convenience of the former Commander of the Navy who recently retired. Your Excellency, I do further request that a suitable protected government resident be made available for me to live in. Also it is requested that approval be granted for me to continue occupation of the present official residence of the Commander of the Army - "The General's House" in Bahudhaloka Mawatha until I am provided with a suitable married quarter. I presume that such arrangements would be made available to me, considering the threat factor I am facing, which Your Excellency is well aware of.
6. I would also wish to quote an example in the case of the former Indian Chief of Army Staff General A S Vadiya, instrumental in leading the Indian Army in Operation Blue Star against the Sheiks at the Golden Temple, Amristar in 1984, was assassinated whilst on retirement in 1986 purely in revenge of his victories achieved. I do not wish to experience a similar incident as I have already sustained serious injuries after the attempt on my life by a suicide cadre of the LTTE, in spite of I being injured twice previously during military operations. Though during the operations I conducted myself in a daring manner disregarding threats to my life, on conclusion of the war I have absolutely no intention to endanger my life. Thereby, I am compelled to entrust you with my security which is requested for life.
7. Furthermore, I would like to emphasis on a statement made by me during my tenure as the Commander of the Army. In that, I mentioned my dislike to be in command forever and also I would ensure that my successor would not be burdened with the task of fighting the same war, which I abided with. Hence, as I have already overstayed my retirement date by 4 years, I wish to proceed on retirement without further delays.
8. Forwarded for Your Excellency's kind consideration please.
I have the honour to be
Your Excellency's
Obedient Servant
G S C FONSEKA RWP RSP VSV USP rcds psc
General
Chief of Defence Staff
And the real annexure-Courtesy Sunday Times
Here is the full text of the 17-point annexure that accompanied Gen. Sarath Fonseka's letter to President Mahinda Rajapaksa, seeking to retire. It is different from the version seen and agreed to by opposition parties:
ANNEX 'A' TO
LETTER CDS/1
DATED
12h NOVEMBER 2009
FACTORS AFFECTING MY RETIREMENT FROM THE REGULAR FORCE OF THE ARMY
1. Various agencies misleading Your Excellency by stating a possible coup immediately after the victory over the LTTE which obviously led to a change of command in spite of my request to be in command until the Army celebrated its 60th Anniversary. This fear psychosis of a coup is well known among the defence circle.
2. Appointing an officer pending a disciplinary inquiry who performed duties only as a holding formation commander in the final battle as my successor, disregarding my recommendations to appoint Major General G A Chandrasiri as the Commander of the Army who was the then Chief of Staff and an officer with an exemplary service as the Security Forces Commander in Jaffna for over 3 years. This has already led to a deterioration of the high standards I was capable of introducing to the Army, to my bitter disappointment.
3. Appointing me as the Chief of Defence Staff, though a senior appointment to that of a service commander, with basically no authority, except for mere coordinating responsibilities in a manner which mislead the general public of the country and most members of the Armed Forces. In that the Secretary Defence pushing me to vacate the post of the Commander in just two weeks after the victory and Your Excellency insisting me to hand over duties in less than two months depriving me of my moral obligations in revamping the welfare and providing a sound administration to the men who fought a gallant battle. Due to this action you also denied me of my desire to streamline the career planning of Common Stream Officers whom I wanted to ensure that they are given with career prospects of becoming experts/specialist in their fields.
4. Further, prior to my appointment I was misled on the authority vested with the CDS. I was made to understand that the appointment carried more command responsibilities and authority than earlier over all three services, but subsequent to my appointment a letter by the Strategic Affairs Adviser to the Secretary Defence indicated that my appointment was purely to coordinate the services and not that of overall operational command. The letter is attached herewith for Your Excellency's information. Such actions clearly defines Your Excellency's and the Governments unwillingness to grant me with command responsibilities which leads to believe in a strong mistrust in me, which is most depressing after all what was performed by me to achieve war victory.
5. During a subsequent Service Commanders Meeting, the Secretary Defence was bold enough to state an unethical and uncalled statement by mentioning that "if operational control of all three services is granted to the CDS it would be very dangerous", which indeed was a loss of face to me in the presences of subordinate services commanders.
6. Your Excellency, you too made a statement at the very first security council soon after the 18th of May 09 when the battled was declared over, to the extent that "a strong public opinion is in the making to say that the Country is in possession of a too powerful army, which will lead Sri Lanka to another State like that of Myanmar". It was surprising to hear such a comment from Your Excellency in spite of your repeated praise and boast of the war victory brought about by the same Army. I personally felt that Your Excellency has commenced mistrusting your own loyal Army which attained the unimaginable victory just a week ago. You again repeated the same statement even after I handed over the command. Over these comments I felt disgusted as these comments indirectly insulted those who made the supreme sacrifice during the war victory.
MR has screwed up big time. What ever he does now will not change the fact - that he and his family is jealous of SF.
I think MR wants to make Sri Lanka in the same mold Ferdinand Marcos of Philippines did. MR is starting to act like a real despot.
the real annexure-ctd.
7. The present Army Commander immediately on assuming duties commenced transferring senior officers who immensely contributed to the war effort during my command tenure including those junior officers working with my wife at the Seva Vanitha Army Branch which was involved in looking after the welfare of the troops, was clearly to challenge the loyalty of officers and most discouraging to the officer corps of the Army, with a wrong signal being transmitted on my authority.
8. Your Excellency, I wish to remind you that whilst the Eelam War IV was being fought I repeatedly requested to increase the compensation paid to those Next of Kin of the officers and men killed in action from Rs.150,000.00 which was the amount sanctioned in year 1985, to Rs.500,000.00 as the approved amount is grossly insufficient in the present context. This request was not considered favourably thereby I feel extremely guilty that the Army and the Government at large has not looked into the welfare of those who paid the supreme sacrifice.
9. With a pain of mind it was noted that the same Army which gained victory for the Nation was suspected of staging a coup and thereby alerting the Government of India once again on the 15th of October 2009, unnecessarily placing the Indian Troops on high alert. This action did tarnish the image and reputation gained by the Sri Lanka Army as a competent and professional organization who was capable of defeating a terrorist group after the Malayan Emergency, in the eyes of the World. This suspicion would have been due to the loyalty of the Sri Lanka Army towards me as its past Commander who led the Army to the historic victory.
10. During my absences from the Country (23 Oct 2009 to 5 Nov 2009) being on overseas leave, the Army Headquarters was bold enough to change the security personnel deployed at the AHQ Main Entrance and the Ministry of Defence emphasizing the withdrawal of the Sinha Regiment troops who were attached to me, as you are aware is my parent regiment and supplementing them with other regimental personnel. The Sinha Regiment troops were good enough to provide security to the Ministry of Defence for 4 years and it is surprising to note how the combat efficiency of the said troops supposed to have dropped overnight as per Secretary Defence's opinion.
Further the Sinha Regiment troops numbering a mere 4, non combatants, deployed for vehicle checking duties at the AHQ Main Entrance, were replaced by 14 armed Armoured Corps personnel, whilst a further two platoons were brought in to prevent the 4 non combat Sinha Regiment personnel performing duties, creating a mockery to the general public. This clearly indicates a questionable loyalty of troops good enough for duties for over four years purely due to the fact that the troops were from my Regiment. This also indirectly reflects mistrust on me or an indication that the persons concern wish to keep a tab on my movements and visitors to my HQ/residence which is a clear display of suspicion created on me.
11. Further on instructions of the Secretary Defence, troops from the Gajaba Regiment was brought in to the MOD complex to remove the Sinha Regiment troops which indicated the creation of divided loyalty within the Army and reasons to believe that the Army now being politicized. This is being encouraged by the Army Commander too who thinks that the Armoured Corp troops should over power Sinha Regiment troops again in the Army HQ complex which includes my office and residence.
12. Instigating malicious and detrimental news items and rumors by interested parties including several senior government politicians which led to identify me as a traitor in spite of my personal contribution of the government to change the history of our country.
Lot of changes here than the media version
he real annexure-ctd.
13. It is with pain of mind that I note that the ordinary Army which I toiled to transform into a highly professional outfit is now losing its way. Increased desertions, lack of enthusiasm to enlist (A drop in enlistment rate by 50% is recorded), disciplinary problems on advocating divided commands indicates an unprofessional organization in the offing. During the last two months the members deserted are higher than the recruitment.
14. Resettlement process of the IDPs was also a point of concern. The IDPs are resettled in an ad hoc manner without proper infrastructure facilities to the dismay of most inmates. The Government has resorted to this course of action merely refusing to incur an additional expense for the betterment of the IDPs. This is indeed a short term remedy to get rid of the IDP issue. I strongly advocated that the resettlement should commence only after proper demining, providing necessary infrastructure facilities and on confirming of the identity of any infiltrated terrorists, thereby ensuring 100% safety and security to the younger generations among IDPs.
15. The conditions in the IDP centers is also a point of great concern to me. Thousands of valiant soldiers including members of the Navy, Air Force, Police and the Civil Defence Force sacrificed their valuable lives to liberate these unfortunate civilians from the brutality and tyranny of the LTTE in order that they could live in an environment of freedom and democracy. Yet, today many of them are continuing to live in appalling conditions due to the lack of proper planning and the reluctance to incur expenditure on the part of the Government.
16. The troop requirement for the resettlement is grossly insufficient and cannot sustain the demanding needs in the resettled areas, thus placing the innocent people in turmoil. Your Excellency's government is yet to win the peace in spite of the fact that the Army under my leadership won the war. There is no clear policy to ensure the security of the Tamil people thereby leaving room to ruin the victory attained, paving the way for yet another uprising in the future due to lack of security arrangements in the resettled areas.
17. Sri Lanka Army ensured the safe custody of approximately 10,000 surrendered LTTE cadres. But it is regrettably noted that so far no constructive action has been taken to methodically rehabilitate them in order to ensure that they get back to the society as properly rehabilitated law abiding citizens.
Navi Nazi Cunt
"MR place in history was set - but no more. He is as bad as CBK and Ponna Ranil"
hehehe....a good one.
So, clearly all three are bad. In that case, we should stick with MR as the other two were not only bad, but they couldn't win the war.
hak hak hak!
Ado fukkface Navi, chill out arsehole.
Who the fukk do you think you are fooling here?
You remind me of the LTTE cocksuckers who used to come here during the end-days of the war and bad mouth MR GoSL while of course bad mouthing also LTTE - knowing well, of the attacks what was only relevant was the attack on MR GoSL, as it was designed to turn patriotic Sinhalas against MR GoSL and have a change in the GoSL (and then to install RW ponnaya who would give eelam on a platter to them).
Nice try rotten bitch, but it does not work!
By the way, how are your daughters? Are you still fingering them?
hak hak hak
Navi-Nazi-Pillai said...
Guys, plain and simple, SL politics is rotten and it just got more so.
Why? Why? All because of the fear of that person eclipsing them. This was the same mentality that Marcos of Philippines had.
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Why is it always MRs fault. Have you ever thought that SF wanted to become President of SL? Do you want MR to hand SF that? SF is no saint, both are responsible for this and let them fight it out and letter the person who is good win.
What happened to him did not happen out of the blue. There were reasons for that, and MR was right in doing what he did. SF can say, he is doing this stuff because what MR did to him, but MR can say he did what he did because he knew what SF was planning. So we are back to square one. No point arguing who is right or wrong.
People should stop crying about what a great team they were e.t.c, e.t.c. accept the fact and move on.
NaviNaziBitch
"MR has screwed up big time"
What's the difference? You did it with your daughters incest Dad.
Thusitha (to NaviNaziBitch)
"Have you ever thought that SF wanted to become President of SL? Do you want MR to hand SF that?"
I am sure this bitch does.
What this type of bitch forgets is the fact that MR did not fall into that Prez slot from the sky, but that WE PATRIOTS elected him to it as he promised to eradicate LTTE and safeguard the UNITARY nature of our country (i.e. the complete opposite that RW ponnaya promised).
True, not only did we elect him, but we elected a govt. under him and ever since then have given him support to show that he enjoys our confidence - not because we like the shortcomings we see in his GoSL, but simply because we have no other choice.
All these cocksuckers who are coming here and bitching against MR forgets that this is democracy at work.
Now on the other hand SF was not elected by us, BUT appointed to that role by MR! His appointment at the beginning as well as subsequently was not without controversy, but MR/GR stood by the man.
So, I think it is time bitching cocksuckers took realty of the facts as they are - and did more bitching until they collapse!
hak hak hak
A realty check in this hour of madness:
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2009/11/14/ambitions-for-power-by-the-power-hungry-undeserving-need-to-be-legitimately-dealt-with-and-eliminated/
The sunday times report shows as I and others predicted that the initial letter was drafted at the behest of RW ponz and Mongal homz..And the report says the actula letter caused much heartburn in the UNF...SF WILL NOT BE A UNF PUPPET
So whoever wins the PE, Eelamists will not benefit. Mother Lanka will..Case close
Does not mean that any of us should go and vote SF though..After all the different letters could also be a planend move to decieve the patriotic voters..I'll go with MR this time to be on the safe side..But if fonny sticks to his guns and reforms the UNF Fonseka2016 is a definite possibility..
Just out of interest, can army personal make comments such as this? Does it come under his role?
I mean these two statements are rather subjective. If this is the case, he should talk about not giving 13+ e.t.c. Isn't this a political pitch? I mean isn't this something he promised not to do?
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Yet, today many of them are continuing to live in appalling conditions due to the lack of proper planning on the part of the government and the IDPs who have friends and relatives elsewhere in the country must be given the choice to live with them until proper demining has been done in their areas.
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Your Excellency’s government has yet to win the peace in spite of the fact that the Army under my leadership won the war. There is no clear policy to win the hearts and minds of the Tamil people, which will surely ruin the victory, attained paving the way for yet another uprising in the future.
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I am happy that SF is coming to politics, but he should get the help of very astute politician if he wants to be in politics. Also he should get a very good electronic media team to manage his campaign message. He is not going to win this election. So he must actually plan and campaign for the next elections, and to revitalise UNP and also look at ways and means of revitalising UNP to get it out of the current hole it is in.
Velupillai Pirabhakaran's grandfather Veeraachchami Thiruvengadam - a Malayali from Sithamparam Tamil Nadu
After we deported thousands and thousands of fifth and fourth generation Indian origin Tamil plantation workers, denying their citizenship,
for the sin we committed we learned the lesson from this Malayali Pirabakaran!
It becomes painfully obvious that the letter composed by Gen. Fonseka indicates a blatant failure on his part to display his loyalty to his Commander in Chief and to quote the same news item refered to previously, “the letter has above all displayed his carnal urge for power and an authoritarian means to manipulate the future of Sri Lanka backed by those who see him as their champion which cannot be applied to the majority of Sri Lankans who know and adulate their President.”
Sarath Fonseka’s ambitions have sadly displayed a betrayal of trust placed in him by a benevolent and compassionate President Rajapakse who was elected by the people of the country and who has been entrusted the responsibility to administer the country and through many relativities will continue in this capacity regardless of the lackeys who by whatever means may try to ursurp power to harness to their needs and as a preventive measure by the Rajapakse Administration probably needs to be dealt with in a manner which will appease the people of Sri Lanka where no military coercion nor foreign intervention has any place in the proceeding and needs to be prevented towards the future of the Nation although if necessarily authoritatively and assertedly!.
That Sarath Fonseka has emerged as an enigma to the Nation of Sri Lanka is beyond doubt as he struts about telling all and sundry that he singlehandedly saved the Nation from the oppression of terrorism which is the furthest from the truth and may not have been a real entity in the war had it not been for the President who took him in his trust despite being rejected by previous administrations, treated with suspicion but restored a degree of semblance and credibility to what may saw as a dangerous, egocentric and ruthless military leader which undoubtedly were all the ingredients necessary to defeat an outfit like the LTTE but the buck has to stop there! There can be no continuation of all the attributes which drove his relentless campaigning as part of a powerplay to appease his consorts in the opposition and if he has indicated his ambitions as transparently as he has towards his present direction he needs to be stopped in his tracks with all the legitimate resources towards the cause as Sri Lanka needs neither a millitary dictator of ruthless dictatorial means nor a namby pamby coward of an aspiring prime minister who hides behind his coat tails urging Gen. Fonseka towards everything which will wipe out all the good he has done during his tenure as commander of the Army!
fonseka mahattayo kiri haliyata goma demma wage wedak neda thamun kale.
thamange tharame hetiyata idimenna.pissek wage hesirenna epa.naginna ata dipu ata hapa kema kiyanne owata tama.
ape sahayogaya mahindata tama.mahinda mona jara wedak kalat etuma ape rata rekadun nayakaya.anit ewain wedak nehe apita kiyala ratak netnam.
wesa demallu hinawenawa ati.et un danne me sinhalaya mona kupadi wedak karala hari rata bera gannawa kiyala.
mahinda oba apata rajek nowe dewiyek.obata sada jaya.cheeran jayatu
sk,
"1 mill families are landless. And we have more than 15000 sq km of land in Wanni. Take 2000 sq km for current inhabitants, and another 5000 sq km for water and jungle. You still have 8000sq km, and that is a staggering 2mill acres. Give them an acre each still you consume half of it.
Come on SL. Fight any bullshit you like, but do not give up the ethnic integration and recolonization."
sk, small correction it is 2 million families.
recolonization is the BIGGEST act of ethnic integration.
The South Asian region is one of the most populous parts of the world. (India 1.15 billion people, Pakistan 180 million, Bangladesh 162 million and Sri Lanka 20 million. Yet if one looks at the heads-of-states/Prime Ministers of the subcontinent, there is a pattern of dynastic rule in India, Sri Lanka, Bagladesh and Pakistan. Not sure of the underlying social-cultural reasons but it seems to be the norm.
Sri Lanka
DS Senanayake
Dudley Senanayake (son)
Sir John Kotelawala (nephew)
Banadaranayake/Ratwatte clan
SWRD Bandaranayake
Sirimavo Bandaranayake (wife)
Chandrika Kumaratunga (daughter)
William Gopallawa
JR Jayawardene
Ranil Wickemasinghe (nephew)
India
Jawaharlal Nehru
Indira Gandhi (daughter)
Rajiv Gandhi (grandson)
Sonya Gandhi (wife of Rajiv Gandhi and unofficial ruler of India)
Rahul Gandhi (Rajiv Gandhi's son and next PM of India)
Bangladesh (ruled by two families)
Mujibur Rahman Family
Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (Prime Minister of Bangladesh, 1972-1975)
Sheikh Hasina (daughter of Mujibur Rahman; Prime Minister of Bangladesh, 1996-2001and 2009-)
The Ziaur Rahman Family
Ziaur Rahman (President of Bangladesh, 1977-1981)
Begum Khaleda Zia (wife of Ziaur Rahman; Prime Minister of Bangladesh, 1991-1996 and 2001-2006 )
diyasena,
I too agree that at the end of the day, we'll have some better politicians.
Ideally, SF should create a 3rd force against corruption. Similarly to what JHU did by making a 3rd force against eelam (and a force for militarily defeating ltte).
But he should do this in a GE.
sk,
the US-russia struggle was military whereas the US-china thing is economic.
WRONG!
the UN-russia thingy was economic too!! capitalism verses communism!!
defence came later when russia tried to aggressively promote its economic system using what came to be known as "revolution".
longhorn,
thanks for posting the list.
i was after the 17th one. i KNEW it is going to be VERY VERY interesting and IT IS!!
"17. Sri Lanka Army ensured the safe custody of approximately 10,000 surrendered LTTE cadres. But it is regrettably noted that so far no constructive action has been taken to methodically rehabilitate them in order to ensure that they get back to the society as properly rehabilitated law abiding citizens."
ambepussa??? some came to hindu college wellawatta too on scolarships.
someone (certainly not SF) is talking from her arse.
"Ideally, SF should create a 3rd force against corruption. Similarly to what JHU did by making a 3rd force against eelam (and a force for militarily defeating ltte)."
Also, above + against 13 amend and separatism + for colonization of N.
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