Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Clashes in Mannar, LTTE Propaganda Machine Go on the Overdrive

Sources indicated that 10 Tigers were killed at Pallaikuli and 5 more were killed at Parappakandal last morning in North Mannar. Internet sources loyal to the LTTE claimed 12 soldiers were killed by snipers, which was refuted by the Army. No casualties were reported to own troops.

Meanwhile the search operation inside Yala, comprising several thousand security personnel, including the Sri Lanka Army, Special Task Force and the Civil Defence Force (home guards) are continuing. Troops have detected several weapons dumps inside the jungles that were used by the Tigers. The large jungle area, estimated to be close to 1,000 square kilometers, will be systematically searched and the infrastructure supporting the Tigers will be dismantled in the coming days.

55 comments:

Upul said...

DW,

The claims on this website are getting extraordinary by the day. Till you can attribute your stuff to named source, I will have a hard time finding it trustworthy. Unamed source tend to have agendas behind what they 'leak' out.

Do you double source what you post on this blog ? If not, why not ?

Also your reply regarding Indian contribution to SLN missions raised by Ninja Bandara also raises further doubts.

LKDOOD said...

upul

you can start your own blog & you can post whatever you want :)

Defencewire can post anything he/she likes because its Defenwire's blog

it is up to us to decide if the posts are true/false

LKDOOD said...

Lanka mines sea borders to block Tamil Tigers

LINK

32 killed in north Sri Lanka, additional security for south

LINK

Raptor said...

Defencewire have you gone mad? The entire size of Sri Lanka is only 65,554 square kilometers. How can Yala encompass and area of 300,000 sq km? Astounding observation I must say. Yala covers an area of around 1200sq km, and thats if you include fringe areas such as Kumana. Please verify your information before posting it. As someone said your going to loose credibility.

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Defencewire said...

raptor,
Thank you for pointing out my mistake. It should be 1000km2. Made a mistake using an old military map (bola sithyam).Its an honest mistake buddy.

upul,
How can i reveal my sources to you? It is not possible. Many of my sources are personal friends in active duty. How can i jeopardize their safety, because of some blog, which, if you guys think is inaccurate, we are willing to stop altogether- saving us valuable time and energy.

lkdood,
There are no she's doing this blog, unfortunately ;)

LKDOOD said...

defencewire

please continue posting
ignore the attacks

LKDOOD said...

Army makes steady progress(DEFENCELINE BY RUWAN WEERAKOON)

LINK

LKDOOD said...

Peace delayed

APRC fails to meet deadline but President to get 2-page outline on 13th Amendment today


LINK

Panhinda said...

/*
Meanwhile the search operation inside Yala, comprising several thousand security personnel, including the Sri Lanka Army, Special Task Force and the Civil Defence Force (home guards) are continuing.
*/

This is exactly why we created an STF - i.e. to take care of extraordinary or 'special' law-and-order challenges that rise from time to time. It seems the bulk of the work is yet again shouldered by the armed forces and home guards. This is precisely LTTE's objective. i.e. Draw forces away from the front lines. The situation with STF is clearly not good enough considering the vast amount of public money used on training. Public expects the Police to learn from past mistakes and to take problem solving to a higher level of sophistication after 30 years of facing terrorism. Looking at the problem at hand, we expect the Police to do the following if already not done so;

1. Setup a mobile 'Situation Room' to gather intelligence and co-ordinate various actors.
2. Deploy a team of detectives/investigators to collect information from the sorrounding village folk. Further, shop owners questioned to see if anyone has made any odd purchases such as large amounts of dry ration.
3. Checking vehicles leaving or entering the area with special attention given to vans and trucks brining in supplies.
4. Obtaining assistance from govt agencies looking after forests, for example, updated maps and forest trackers.
5. Radio/Telephone and Mobile phone monitoring.
6. Sniffer dogs.
7. Arrange access to HISAR for scanning large tracks of forests at night.
8. Arrange access to a chopper for rapid deployment of force to a given area.

BoviCanine said...

DefenceWire,

Readers are mature enough to believe you or not, and to understand the credibility. It is reader’s (our) job to read and digest. Reporting is your job. Since many of the readers (we) have been snapping many news sites, bloggers and other sources on this prolong war issues, the readers have been experienced and do know about many such biased propaganda sources which I do not like to name here.

DefenceWire, you are one of the bloggers who earned the credibility among us. So, please keep postng. We like reading DeenceWire (and also other sources).

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

Rajapakses sudden turnaround in war logic yesterday
i.e.
1. LTTE NOT responsible for many bombings
2.GoSL NOT interested in a military solution
3.GoSL NOT interested in capturing territory
4.GoSL will only hit back if attacked

What could be the reason for this apparent swallowing of own words( spoken by MR, GR, BR, Fonseka, Rumbukwella, Hulugalle, Ratnasiri etc with great certainty and pomp till just a week back )???

Probable reasons of somersault(not necessarily in order):

1.MR &Co has realised they bit off more they can swallow( ie LTTE tougher than they thought);so preparing the public to lower expectations
( we can already see how sky-high and impatient the expectations of victory among GoSL supporters here:)

2.IC actions starting to hurt the GoSL, so a little propaganda dance of pacifism to lull them.

3.GoSL wants to fool LTTE into thinking the military is weak, then attack massively when LTTE lowers guard( Honestly I feel it is the other way round:)

4.MR&co had a sudden Revelation from Buddha and underwent an overnight change of heart:)

Unless it is point 3&4, it is bad news for GoSL. And I think this turnaround is a reminder of the adage: Counting chickens before egg hatched, otherwise the egg may be on your face.

*****
Re snipers I have no idea of the actual facts in this incident--but it is a fact that a numerically superior( 20:1 here) army attacking fortified positions in wooded battlefields are literally begging to be picked-off by snipers.
The LTTE is known to have Dragunovs, which can snitch tagets at several hundred yards.

Defencewire said...

bovicanine,
Thank you for the supporting statements. We do not expect people to believe us. We expect them to be informed. Belief and trust are issues totally up to the readers to deal with. In this time of age, with plenty of sources of information, you can find out, sooner or later whether the information is accurate or not.

upul,
I hadn't answered your query about the LTTE ships destroyed and the indian connection. I explained it sometime ago, you must have missed it. So here it is AGAIN.

The SLN had captured Tigers on board who knew the routes the floating warehouses navigated around in. Some had worked for 5=6 years in these vessels. They were captured from one of the earlier vessels destroyed. LTTE thought they were dead. India has helped SLN monitor its coastal waters. They may have provided secondary intelligence, having observed suspicious vessels coming in and going out. You can ascertain from sea route and direction and speed, where such ships maybe heading.

Defencewire said...

For confirmation of our earlier report 'No Auspicious Times..Only Random Attacks" appears today, written by a journalist Ruwan Weerakoon.
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/9252

Panhinda said...

Sun-Tzu,

/*
Re snipers I have no idea of the actual facts in this incident--but it is a fact that a numerically superior( 20:1 here) army attacking fortified positions in wooded battlefields are literally begging to be picked-off by snipers.
*/

Snipers are good to take out 1 soldier at a time with great accuracy. The problem however, the LTTE is facing 3 heavily armed combat divisions between 10,000 - 20,000 soldiers in EACH front. Now I am not exactly sure how LTTE intends to combat that many even if each and every LTTE carder was a top notch sniper.

Look in the other direction though. The attacking army with RPGs taking out one bunker after another so easily. This is the advantage on going on the offensive. Many bunkers waiting for a grenade or two be lobbed in or shot with RPG from a distance killing 2-5 in a single offensive maneuver.

Ninja Bandara said...

Defencewire,

I asked earlier some questions just for my clarification. (about SLN/Indian navy)

Based on some comments of LTTE supporters we can understand how annoying is this blog to them. But it is not your fault. So just keep up the good work.

Even if you reveal your source how can it be a proof for your news? Some LTTE supporters know the reality and support LTTE. For others LTTE is another relegion with sun god. So similer to one beleives bible etc they belive this and that net and nut. For such a person even if you show a dead body of a tiger killed by SLA they will ask to prove he was tiger or claim he is a tamil civilian. So how can one prove this and make them satisfied? Only way dead person should talk and tell to him.

Upul said...

DW,

what you are saying and what one of the english newspapers (nation, leader or sundaytimes) claimed during that time seems to clash. Navy.lk's report corroborate with the sunday english newspaper(s) http://www.navy.lk/index.php?id=418

Here is the relevant sunday times article:

http://sundaytimes.lk/071014/News/news00029.html

Sunday times claims there were three different sources.

That source reported that 4 LTTE operatives were caught in the Maldives by Maldivian authorities and were given access for interrogation, which led to chasing down of the "LTTE ships."

Now we seem to have multiple versions of the events from the different sources...

You obviously don't have to do anything to jeopardize anybody, but there is got to be some verifiability in all this. What about the issue of double or more sourcing ?

I should also add, while you may have the best of intentions, how do we know your sources maybe playing with the facts or could be unreliable etc ?

I see reports being churned out from here, from this blog but I don't see some of the incredible claims being picked up or mirrored by any of the established *major* news outlets, nor the international wire services.

You point to Asiantribune (I personally think its double edge sword to do that), but quite a number of there articles have been exposed as poor quality frauds. (Including JVP was going to abstain for the second reading etc...)

There are hardly any still photos, videos that could make it easier for verification of what is said in your article nor any interviews of say high ranking SLA officials.

If you are present number of deaths of say LTTE or SLA why not have a running total ?

Here is another problematic statement you make "LTTE Propaganda Machine Go on the Overdrive"

You seem to write this statement with high confidence, certainty....
There is nothing substantial in your article body to make a reasonable case for this statement. Sure SLA will refute LTTE claims or what have you and that is nothing new in this war. This doesn't give the reader any convincing evidence to suddenly assume the events according to the SLA are accurate nor verifiable.

Upul said...

Clarification: This was the claim by navy.lk

That source reported that 4 LTTE operatives were caught in the Maldives by Maldivian authorities and were given access for interrogation, which led to chasing down of the "LTTE ships.

Now in reply to the pot shots from another contributors:

I never asked for proof, I asked for verifiability. Claiming, oh the LTTE supporters will never believe this or that till the dead body will speak is bs. Surely you are understating the intelligence of the Tamil diaspora here, which is certainly advantageous for us....

Attack is the Best Defence said...

if u believe DW just stya here if not go and fly akite don't disturb the poor souls here....
Idiot just use ur common sense.... maroon cap is given to the world's most elite set of commandos anywhere in the world and terrrorist just can't hunt them in packs may be one or 2 but not 12 they have tactics to counter and they are masters of it. if tn says 12 regular infantry killed by snipers that has some possibility because their training is inferior but with commandos this kind of jokes are not possible. pls leave us with ur clattered head and embrace TN if u dont believe DW pls dont come here and trouble us as a fovour..

Upul said...

Tamilnet simply mentioned 12 SLA soldiers were killed by snipers. It never said they were commandos.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

Pan Hinda,

I never said snipers can counter SLA thrusts, just replying to the general discussion that they cant kill a dozen soldiers.

""between 10,000 - 20,000 soldiers in EACH front.""

This is exactly why the SLA is very vulnerable to combined coventional + sniper teams. So many exposed targets to choose from. Literature on great sniper wars (eg Defense of Stalingrad/ Yugoslav civil war etc) show that snipers can do a disproportionately greater damage to conventional armies than their numbers would suggest--by causing great demoralisation and creating a seize mentality.This would work especially well on the SLA--not exactly known for its great morale, if I may.


""The attacking army with RPGs taking out one bunker after another so easily. This is the advantage on going on the offensive. Many bunkers waiting for a grenade or two be lobbed in or shot with RPG from a distance killing 2-5 in a single offensive maneuver.""
I think 'éasily' is a misnomer here? There is nothing easy about capturing a bunker manned by determined and skilled enemy?
And no, they are not 'waiting' to be killed like you portray--they will either withdraw or do all they can to take you out--and who is in the more exposed position here?
That is why I dont believe in the 1:20 kill ratio given out by your military. In fact a retired Indian General (Ashoke Mesta?)has also expressed incredulity at this ratio wherein he mentioned even the Indian Armys kill ratio in Kashmir against lowly jihadists is only 1:8 ?

Upul said...

abd, if readers like you want to rely on beliefs not verifiable facts, then you should join up with a cult or something...

Upul said...

International wires put a disclaimer mentioning the claims and counter claims by the parties are unverifiable...

At a minimum as I see, you are in the same boat, you have to either present extra stuff to make it verifiable or make this disclaimer loud and clear.

Attack is the Best Defence said...

according to TN, all the Kafir jets are ruined by LTTE SAMs all the dovras are under the sea bed... he he. how can I describe u more , hw convincing their articles are...

IntelAttack said...

upul,

Don't be so upset, overwelmed or sad or about either heading or body of this blogpost.

If these are false info which has no true facts, no need to scream. Truth will win ultimately. We do not need MAD + terrorist supporters as moderators for any decent blog.

Please refrain from visiting this blog if you can't believe it's contents.

Why the heck you keep visiting and commenting in a place where you believe posts are flase reports?

Panhinda said...

Sun-Tzu,

/*
This is exactly why the SLA is very vulnerable to combined coventional + sniper teams. So many exposed targets to choose from
*/

Yes, the snipers would have a field day considering so many soldiers to chose from. Although, the snipers are not aiming at practice dummies are they? 10,000 soldiers coming at you, will hide, dodge, sniper back at you or call for artillery or air support if all fails.

/*
Rajapakses sudden turnaround in war logic yesterday
i.e.
1. LTTE NOT responsible for many bombings
2.GoSL NOT interested in a military solution
3.GoSL NOT interested in capturing territory
4.GoSL will only hit back if attacked
*/

This statement is compatible with the current military strategy. Kill as many real-estate is of no concern. Kill the ones that come near the FDL. By the end of the year, I estimate around 7,000-8,000 kills.

The only answer to LTTE is to go on the offensive. I think they will and go for Trincomalee. If they loose Mannar, they will now have access to eastern coast for smuggling in weapons. They would sacrifice relatively insignificant towns such as Mannar and Poonaryn in favor of Trincomalee. Mannar will lose its significance somewhat after Indian weapons crackdown.

Moshe Dyan said...

The number of square kilmotres issue is not military news per se and very much forgivable.

I also noticed that the LTTE propoganda machine is working faster; they have more 'analysis' (which are bullshit anyway and NO international media quotes them) now and conceptual bullcrap.

Anyway they are entitled to their own propoganda war.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

Pan Hinda

""10,000 soldiers coming at you, will hide, dodge, sniper back at you or call for artillery or air support if all fails. ""

True. My point is: The SLA is gonna lose more soldiers than the LTTE, atleast at this stage of war.So the credibility of 20:1 kill ratio is highly suspect.

""This statement is compatible with the current military strategy""

Maybe. But MR is ultimately resposible to the public (and JVP/JHU) who elected him. They will bay for his blood if he does not live up to his bombastic predictions( Many bloggers here are already showing signs of impatience and dejection:).It may also confuse the soldiers on the ground. Thats why MR &co should have been more circumspect in their pronouncements.

""I estimate around 7,000-8,000 kills
""
Looks even higher than Gen Fonsekas estimate:) Mind if you share the formula by which you deduced it?

""The only answer to LTTE is to go on the offensive""
I dont think so. The LTTE will just need to just hang on long enough till your soldiers become fatigued, your economy receding, you people fed up, your political allies frustrated and IC more pro-active. The predictions of MR&co will only serve to shorten this period of toleration.I guess if LTTE exists as a territorial entity by 2008 end it would have weathered the storm?

Upul said...

Moshe Dyan,

You have point is a well exposed fallacy:

Tamilnet and Puthinam have been quoted by many wire services....

Take this link from AFP (France):

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ieVl7UUVNZTXZHnnYhOhMIWyhbmw

Upul said...

listen intelattack or whoever you are.

quit creating new accounts to scream louder..

Panhinda said...

Sun-Tzu,

/*
True. My point is: The SLA is gonna lose more soldiers than the LTTE, atleast at this stage of war.So the credibility of 20:1 kill ratio is highly suspect.
*/

The 20:1 ratio is more impornant to LTTE than the army. To make any impact, LTTE has to kill at least 20 soldiers for every 1 of theirs. Going by current trends, I dont think LTTE is anywhere near the magic number. The army on the other hand can take its time catching up on the kill ratio as there is enough lag there.

I would't worry about the morale of the troops either. Unlike previous regimes, this one gives special attention to this side of things.


/*
Looks even higher than Gen Fonsekas estimate:) Mind if you share the formula by which you deduced it?
*/

On average 10-15 a day and going up to 35-40 on a good day.

/*
The LTTE will just need to just hang on long enough till your soldiers become fatigued..
*/

Well their track record says otherwise. If I give you a few examples. They preempted Jayasikurui by attacking Paranthan and Kilinochi from the north. The last attempt of the 'final war' they attacked Sampoor when the amry was taking them on in Mavil Aru. They seem to follow a stratergy of pre-emption. This is why I think they will go on the offensive taking advantage of the surprise factor when everyone thinks they are weak and struggling to wade off the military offensives.

IntelAttack said...

Dear (Panicked) Boss,

“True. My point is: The SLA is gonna lose more soldiers than the LTTE, atleast at this stage of war.So the credibility of 20:1 kill ratio is highly suspect.”

Yes! According to your highly faithful pro media, LTTE Terrorists are killing SLA soldiers in minimal ratio of 50:1. The whole SLA, Air Force and Navy personnel will be either KIA or WIA within 3-4 months.

The last thing that we cannot understand is, why you are screaming this much if the LTTE is having the world’s greatest kill ratio. Don’t panic. Let Terrorists to do their work. Why LTTE killing innocent villagers in rural areas when they can win the war so easily! Please stop joking!

“Maybe. But MR is ultimately resposible to the public (and JVP/JHU) who elected him. They will bay for his blood if he does not live up to his bombastic predictions( Many bloggers here are already showing signs of impatience and dejection:).It may also confuse the soldiers on the ground. Thats why MR &co should have been more circumspect in their pronouncements.”

We can clearly see that you are the only impatient (patient) here! LOL!
BTW, Sri lankans are not as blood thirst as your terror chief (VP).

“I dont think so. The LTTE will just need to just hang on long enough till your soldiers become fatigued, your economy receding, you people fed up, your political allies frustrated and IC more pro-active. The predictions of MR&co will only serve to shorten this period of toleration.I guess if LTTE exists as a territorial entity by 2008 end it would have weathered the storm?”

The storm has not even stared yet. When the military go 100% offensive you will see what happen to VP and his mad supporters. We can see how hard you panic, how hard you are estimating, how hard you are gathering statistics and how hard you smuggle more than before. Is it just because LTTE terrorists are winning? Or is it because they are losing? Go home and do your homework. Prepare better than yesterday till SLA liberate Wanni from bloody terrorists. LTTE Terrorists will do everything possible (but possibilities are so little), to stop SLA advances. But you, me and everybody knows what’s gonna happen. Just keep your fingers crossed!

IntelAttack said...

Last comment goes out for (Panicked) Boss and his Frightened supporters including Upul and Sun Tzu's disciple.

Sun Tzu's disciple said...

""The 20:1 ratio is more impornant to LTTE than the army""

I was not discussing this point. Since you raised this point, ratios are meaningless in todays wars--the last time they were useful was the 'Total Wars'of WW2. Now the one who blinks first 'wins'eg. VC 'won'Vietnam war even though US beat the crap out of them.Afghans'won', Croats 'won', Eritreans 'won',Timorese 'won', and more.

As for your other points, I digress; but we shall wait and watch alright:)

******
Intelattack,
I won't honour you by responding to your rabid attacks. Shoo!
***
One fellow Moshe Dyan called me a 'marsupial terrorist' etc just because I stated facts as seen by me. He got his Karma when other bloggers called him an LTTE-supporter and ganged up on him recently. Intelattacks fate will be same;)

verbatim said...

DW,

I have good respect for your postings. I have greater respect for allowing freedom of speech on this blog.

Please do not take disagreements personal. You said 12 deaths from snipers is not possible. I laid out a scenario for such a possibility. The comments about sniper schools at the periphery of kill zones was my sarcasm. The intelligent ones would have deduced that, of course not the ones that have occasional attacks of intellgence :)

I think the LTTE is sitting pretty. It is the govt soldiers who have venture into kill zones created by tiger defence, get shot by tigers hiding in bunkers and face indirect fire. Add tiger snipers to the mix, the situation becomes worse for govt soldiers. Of course this is just my opinion; so hold your barks.

The govt is fighting shy of engaging LTTE in a set piece conventional battle. Why? Is it because they think they cannot win and deploy guerilla methods. usually it is the weaker one that launches guerilla attacks. Is the decision of the govt to use guerilla attacks (DPU/LRRP/Group-Based attacks) it an acknowledgement that the tigers are superior militarily?

Why does the navy is mining the Mannar sea? Is it because they have given up the hope of dominating the seas in this area?

Now it is the turn of tigers to mine the southern/western seas. Economic fallout from that will be big.

Sandun said...

SLAF fighters raid LTTE nerve centre in Kilinochchi

Air Force fighter jets have raided a strategically important LTTE base this morning during low diving missions conducted East of the Iranamadu Tank at Kalamadukulam in Kilinochhci. The target identified as ‘X-Ray’ base was located in a thick jungle patch within the LTTE 'high military zone' and 'Intel' reports confirm it to be the hub of LTTE activities in Kilinochchi, the Defence Ministry said.

source: www.dailymirror.lk

Sandun said...

Was Prabakaran at bombed location?

The Air Force says there was strong speculation that LTTE leader Vellupillai Prabakaran was at the location in Killinochchi which came under an air raid this morning. Air Force Spokesperson Wing Commander Andi Wijesoriya said “we heard about this and are awaiting confirmation.”

source: www.dailymirror.lk

Moshe Dyan said...

Upul,

Your link does not contain any tamilnet published news; it has mainly what the ministry of defence guys said!!!

That is why i say, pro-LTTE media have zero credibility. Only the likes of you trust that crap.

what DW says can be verifiable.

IntelAttack said...

Dear verbatim, Sun Tzu's disciple,

Sorry if my postings were personal to you. I never thought to hurt you two or Mr.Boss.
But please continue your analysis and predictions. All of us enjoy your comments and love to reply too.

"I have good respect for your postings. I have greater respect for allowing freedom of speech on this blog."
I didn't block you from posting comments!

"Now it is the turn of tigers to mine the southern/western seas. Economic fallout from that will be big."

Yes. You can mine "southern/western seas", But not in large quantities as un-liberated areas.

Killing innocent civilians, Hitting economical targets, and now Start Mining. All these Terrorists tactics are not so new to world. That's why I pointed out that LTTE terrorists are doing everything they can in these last moments.

We just need to be more vigilant and calm till the SLA liberate Wanni.

P.S: TamilNet has no updates after there Hilarious Sniper Story. Maybe due to Friendly Fire by own sniper TEAMS? Haha LOL!

Moshe Dyan said...

The vigil is on. Whole sri lanka will be jubilant if the bloody praba is dead.

but they will celebrate inhouse as tigers will go mad.

Ariyarathna said...

I heard that few minuets ago Valupillai Pirapaharan has die by Air raid. It's true?

perein said...

Ariyarathna-
Where did you get the info mate?

Ariyarathna said...

Look asiant ribune web site.

perein said...

it says
http://www.asiantribune.com/
Speculation .
Usually speculation becomes true.
Let's hope that's the case.

LKDOOD said...

just now for the first time Tamilnet has updated today

perein said...

lkdood-
What does the update related to?
Can you past here if possible?

LKDOOD said...

ICRC hands over 9 bodies to LTTE in Oamanthai

LINK

Sandun said...

my brother sent me an sms saying that lots of SLAF air crafts (Kafirs, Migs) are flying everywhere at the moment...

don't know what's going one... btw, our house situated in Chilaw area...

Defencewire said...

upul,
I can't give you my sources. Go to hell! You however have a freedom of choice, to go elsewhere for what your hart tells you is the 'truth', but your mind may tell you otherwise. Currently, you are experiencing the opposite of that.

verbatim,
You are hilarious. Do yo know how valuable a sniper is? He's an elite assassin in the moder battlefield. Snipers only target officers, not soldiers. This is either an act of desperation, exposing snipers to kill soldiers, or a complete lie. Now knowing LTTE, i would say this is a lie because they do not waste resources like that, or even endager them.

Having a sniper school in a warzone, this is the best all evening. You know Mr. Verbatim, SLAF bombs all camps and mini camps, barely weeks into their establishment now. Any structure or gathering place, situated even remotely close to a theater of op. will be shelled or bombed. There are arti correction scouts in these advance parties, commando and SF spotters, recce teams, what not. What about army snipers? Did you really think an army just charges in and offer their chests to a sniper school? Sorry to say this but you must be out of your mind!

Upul said...

DW,

You seem to be ignoring my question of whether you double source your claims. Whats there to hide in this ? Unless off course, these are collections of rumours and conjectures.

Defencewire said...

upul,
Yes upul, they are all a collection of rumours. That's why days after the last article about Vethampanai fighting and our report that LTTE bodies were recovered that ICRC is preparing to handover 9 bodies to LTTE today. Check your favorite site, Tamilnet for the SUPREME TRUTH!

verbatim said...

DW,

you too dont seem to get my sarcasm about school at the periphery of kill zones.

anyway deploying tiger snipers at the periphery would be good for a number of reasons.
1. army would be forced to bring their snipers to the front, who will then be exposed to jonnys/booby traps and indirect fire.
2. these fronts especially Mannar front (due to the terrain), is good for training the fresh tiger snipers. That is probaby what they are doing. (if they are doing)

btw, I do not know whether 12 soldiers have been killed by the tiger snipers. All I am saying is given 4 avenues of approach, a bunch of tiger snipers can easily achieve that.

Now if every camp/school/ammunition dump had been targetted within weeks of establishment, the SLAF must be much superior to Israli AF who struggled and failed to destroy Hizbulla ammunition dumps. And if the SLAF can get the sniper school within weeks of establishment, then how come the tiger tin cans are not yet located by the SLAF?

I am good at picking grains from the chaffs :)

Defencewire said...

verbatim, You are good at jerking yourself off. IAF fought Hizbollah in high buildup areas and they DID destroy many of Hizbollah's assets. I know for a fact because I am good friends with an IDF Brigadier General. Incidentally, have you heard of Operation Accountability by IDF in south Lebanon in 1993. In 2006, within 33 days of fighting IAF killed Sajid Dewayer, the Special Forces leader of Hezbollah, bombed Hizbollah leader, Hasan Nasrallah's office and hideout and bombed to Rafiq Hariri Airport to ashes. How about that?

verbatim said...

DW,

take it easy dude.

If the IDF won the war why even the israli people are really mad with their political establishment.

For Israli's lebanan is a quagmire, just like vanni is for SLDF. "Operation Accountability" was a disaster just like Jayasikuru. The mighty israli airforce could destroy ammunition dumps of Hizbulla, who maintained steady Katusha fire on Israel. (you might want to check out how many rockets were fired each day of 2006 war). If Israli's were winning why did they beat hasty retreat? You might want to ask your IDF friend.

TropicalStorm said...

On the argument of who's losing more men..the proof is found in the readiness of ordinary civillians to enlist.

When the going was rough and the SL defence forces wre losing large numbers, recruitment numbers fell, and desertions increased. That was based on the numbers of injured and dead reaching the village level sentiment.
Today the exact opposite is true. Based on the lesser numbers killed, there are higher numbers willing to enlist, and desertions have dramatically declined. Even earlier deserters have returned, of course due to some enforcement.

Could Tamilnut claim the same? The numbers of dead among the LTTE are too numerous even to count and often soldiers inform of having to burn the abandoned bodies on a regular basis. Most of these are said to be kid.

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