This is the well known trophy photo to celebrate the first air raid by the Air Tigers. In the picture, two cadres pose off as pilots. But one cannot help suspect the credibility of this picture. Firstly, there is no evidence that these two men were actually flying for the night air-raid. They are not equipped and do not even don a pilot suit. It is true that the Zlin-143 is not a high speed jet, but executing night bombings should come with some minimal night flight equipment. These cadres are wearing the Air Tiger uniforms only.
Secondly, where have these ‘pilots’ carried out a proper training for the nocturnal bombing? Some foreigners have said that the LTTE has to have both passive and active ground support systems including specialized personnel, fuel and communication network, apart from pilots[1] to carryout an operation of this nature. But Tigers have the ingenuity to overcome these obstacles. For example, a mid-level LTTE cadre captured by Military Intelligence recently has confessed that during a personal chat with the LTTE’s Special Commander in the East, ‘Keerthi’, the leader had said that the aircraft take-off and land on roads in the interior and that they have abandoned the runways in Iranamadu and Mulaitivu.
But this leaves more questions still unanswered. For example how do the tigers do night bombings in government areas, if pilots are not veterans? It is almost impossible to obtain nocturnal air raid capability in a short period of time. One solution would be to hire mercenaries. There are many Private Military Companies (PMCs) that can perform these tasks and some companies provide air borne services for a fee. Many are privately operated deniable forces that are extremely secretive.
AirScan inc., is an example[2]. Airscan has also been known to smuggle arms into southern
Despite a 12 minute advanced warning of approaching planes, the AA batteries in Trincomalee limited to the harbour and the China Bay Air Force base were unable to deter them from their course. The AA batteries inside the two bases were joined by gunboats at sea and by security forces personnel firing at the sky with T-56 rifles at random. This is NOT an adequate air defence system at all. The AA guns weren’t enough in terms of quantity to protect the area. They were not enough to build a triangle anti-aircraft formation.
The only other response left for the SLAF was to send attack aircraft to shoot down the planes. The F-7s armed with Air-to-Air missiles were airborne 20 minutes after the Zlins had bombed. Later, Kfir and MIG 27s had bombed Iranamadu. One F-7 pilot has later said that he saw the planes passing below him. The 2D Radar system over Mulaitivu had also failed to locate the area where the plane had landed. In addition to this, parts of
Despite criticisms, some advances have been made in the country’s air defenses. The SLAF had advanced warnings by way of new radars on two successive occasions. The first warnings were issued before the ‘TAF’ attack at
Whether it is LTTE cadres who fly the planes or foreign mercenaries is now immaterial. What is required now is an actual downing of a Zlin without which no elaborate defenses would suffice.
dA and DW
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[3] “Military Advisory Groups and African Security: Privatized Peace Keeping” K. O’Brien, 1998, International Peace Keeping pp.98-105
[4] “Corporate Warriors: The Rise of the Privatized Military Industry and Its Ramifications for International Security” P.W. Singer, International Security, Vol. 26, No. 3. (winter, 2001-2002), pp. 186-220.
108 comments:
Very exciting post with lots of open questions.
Thanks DW & DA for this interesting review. Do we need international help to stop such recruits? We have herd many times about foreign trained tiger pilots. So, would they have been trained for night bombing? Are there such trainings available via so called security companies?
Re latest trends:
1.SLA is encountering more resistance again since Adampan days.
2.LTTE seems to have revved up harassing tactics in the rear--esp East, cleared Wanni and even occupied Jaffna.Whether this reflects a new-found confidence to take on SLA or a measure of desperation remains to be seen.
3.Army is reporting 19 bodies being delivered to it, yet other than 7, itself doubting the identities of the remaining ones while not rejecting it. This gives it an image of dishonesty in reporting casualties,or even callousness or cover-up( esp since it reported only a dozen deaths or so).
4.Tamilnets photos of arms captured are probably ' stand-ins' from its old stocks, rather than the actual ones captured(if true).While AKs( esp Chinese) are legendary for their ability to rust fast, the specimens are prob the ones being used by Makal Padai for practice.
5.For a force moving with such rapidity, the SLA seems relatively well dug-in.
6.Going by the number and constructs of LTTE defenses to date, it appears VP anticipated the type of warfare and wanted to expend as less cadres as possible?He must have started building these a few years back.
7.Zlin: LTTE are known to fight barefoot, so its no surprise the pilots dont wear bulky suits( and weigh down the plane).Night flying should suffice as they are just dropping dead irons and not performing evasive maneuvres or dogfighting.I think Zlins are too dangerous for mercenaries to operate( risk vs profit). If LTTE operates jets then ofcourse it would be likely mercenaries( low risk and more complexity)
[If LTTE operates jets then ofcourse it would be likely mercenaries( low risk and more complexity)]
STD,
I agree with you here. No mercenaries will participate if they can only fly Zlins. One private military contractor charges around $500k to $1.5M/yr to work for US army in Iraq, given these scenarios VP is not an idiot to spend few millions $ for few sorties.
"in battles which raged across the vanni battle front agroup of soildiers who were unable to link up with troops reported back a few hours ago. about 79 SLA lost their lives in the fighting in thier journey towords pooneryn.
the tamilnet article though dismissed by various sources as being an extension of its regular half truths,the latest report however was true.
but what the ltte did not report was that 67 of its cadres were alse killed on the same front.in the 18 unceasing waves which the ltte attacked with detrmined not to let the trench fall,the result of which will result in the inevitable fall of pooneryn and the western flanked attack on kilinochchi. "
- specialforce LNP
link to the specialforce article.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/9/31966_space.html
[ One private military contractor charges around $500k to $1.5M/yr to work for US army in Iraq, given these]
I don't know how much they charge.But it can be quite cheaper than that for one or two pilots and they might get the service ,issue basis rather than having full one year contract.
DW, a promotional photo does not mean they actually wear this to fly. I doubt that even if LTTE cadres were flying it would be these guys.
Santush, defencenet says it is an exaggeration. Waiting to hear the truth from DW.. we trust you!
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Santush, defencenet says it is an exaggeration. Waiting to hear the truth from DW.. we trust you!
September 4, 2008 12:10 AM
specialforce Exaggerating ?
DefenceWire,
If the F-7 pilot saw the LTTE planes why did he not fire at them.
Following on from above, if he saw the planes and didn't fire on them, why didn't he circle overhead to see where they landed, or at least the approximate area of landing.
The LTTE must put one some kind of 'runway' lighting system? e.g. small torches or bonfires.
those captured rifles are probably those of SLA.
During the heat of battle they probably got covered with the reddish soil in the area and still haven't been cleaned.
Also if you notice all of them are the 56-2 models which SLA uses.
Also the PK-LMG's pistol grip while rest of gun is covered with dust.
I'm not sure why SLA does this but it always brings a huge amount of weapons and ammo to battle. whereas in LTTE they only bring just enough say about 4 or 6 mags per rifle and 2 belts for the PKM + 3 rockets for RPG.
Once, I was doing some work in Manal aaru region when an SLA/police route clearing patrol got sniped from the nearby forest.
So two men were on the ground bleeding while all the army men in the area were firing away with RPD for about 5 mins randomly.
After this mortar fire started from a distant army camp.
What an expenditure of ammo !
Why do the Zlins need to be shot down at all? The greatest success of the TAF has been the huge sums of money wasted on countermeasures to them that don't even work.
Lets just ignore the MiG-29 deal (that's, what, about 90 million dollars for five fighters and a trainer?) for the moment and just look at the less controversial efforts.
There have been more radar stations deployed. They don't work.
There have been more AA batteries deployed. They not only don't work, but apparently were never meant to.
The SLAF has bombed two airstrips more times than I can count, but the LTTE might not even be using them! I'm sure the infantry on the front lines are thrilled to hear that they aren't getting air support because the SLAF is too busy bombing what could be deserted runways.
All of these failed efforts have been made and there are more options on the table...to counter what? A couple of bombers that World War Two vets would laugh at! In 17 months they've only made six raids, killed a very small number of people, and are yet to destroy anything of strategic concern.
Hell, in less than a year they won't have any place left to land in the Wanni anyway. Why spend so many millions of dollars, expend God knows how many resources, and tie up what is probably thousands of people at this point (logistical support included in blind guess) on a minor threat that won't be around for much longer anyway?
Mr. Bailey, it seems the same pattern that Kaatikuddupaan mentions is unfortunately at work here too, somewhat of an over reaction on the governments part.
kaatikuddupaan,
Many thanks for your comment.Could this be SLA weapons collected over many months or in a single operation..?..
Srilankan this may answer your question:
Nightfox78 at LNP
Sorry messed up the link:
correct link
Jack,
Many thanks.
bailey,
I think your assessment is a bit way off. The countermeasures have been effective - in avoiding any attacks to the South. Why are they not attempting any raids on Katunayaka or Colombo now?
The other point is that the damage of the raids can't be measured just by the lives lost or equipment or buildings damaged directly. I am sure the economic loss from the Katunayaka attack would easily cover 5 Mig-29s.
I don't think ltte need foreign mercenaries, Messy Ferguson tractor pilots can fly those Tin-can fighter jets.
It doesn't matter who fly what, our LionEagles(SLAF) must keep eye on the sky 24/7
Nathnam Koti pakku bath kala - Ape Oluwata Indull hodala yaavie.
Defencewire,
May be the unidentified bodies of SLA soldiers are from the previously captured soldiers who were killed elsewhere and return to the SLA yeasterday.
Why can't the army check this?
Atleast one soldiers DNA from the unidentified bodies must be checked to verify this fact.
It is costly but for the sake of those valient Sri Lankans, we must do it.
The Head of a Pilot Training School in Malaysia (A Tamil) had confessed that he trained the LTTE pilots. They had been training in Malaysia for four years.
I believe that 4 years is quite enough to learn how to fly an aircraft at night.
//in battles which raged across the vanni battle front agroup of soildiers who were unable to link up with troops reported back a few hours ago. about 79 SLA lost their lives in the fighting in thier journey towords pooneryn.
the tamilnet article though dismissed by various sources as being an extension of its regular half truths,the latest report however was true.
but what the ltte did not report was that 67 of its cadres were alse killed on the same front.in the 18 unceasing waves which the ltte attacked with detrmined not to let the trench fall,the result of which will result in the inevitable fall of pooneryn and the western flanked attack on kilinochchi. //
-specialforce (LNP)
DW, any comments?
You said 7 bodies were gone but defence.lk said 19 bodies delivered.
TAF planes do pose a serious enough threat to worry about.
WHAT IF they bombed the jetliner trapsorting approx. 2k soldiers to/from jaffna???
WHAT IF they ram a plane to a building, an economic nerve centre, the parliament or just drop 4, 25kg bombs ???
it creates ENOUGH damage that can have a huge impact on the country.
BUT unless a large military defeat can be caused to the SLDFs, TAF cannot by itself reverse the war.
TF the govt CANNOT ignore the threat on one hand and on the other CANNOT waste any more money for air defences either.
what it should do it to intensify attacks on the mulaitivu area that houses ALL LTTE SECRETS. dislodge them IN TIME for the rainy season and SLDFs will be laughing. (at least much better off than tigers). It will also be turning tables on tigers whose major operations ALMOST ALWAYS coined with the rainy period in the north.
just imagine tigers SHIFTING their MOST SECRETIVE military, etc. infrastructure from mulaitivu amidst dampened roads, etc. they would rather abandon them!!!
Moshe
No matter wht the tin can air force attempts at this rate, the momentum of war has already passed the point of no return.
Wars cost lives. This one will too, and so far it has been a not bad body count where the SLA is concerned. The punishing rate of the 'total war' that's being practiced is yielding results.
Interestingly, the SLAf does not seem to stay away from dropping expensive bombs on the Iranamadu stretch. That's comical and perhaps killed more Tigers by laughing over the predictable and ferocious bombing runs it carries out each time the TAF pisses it off. Reminds me of a mongrel dog I had many years ago, which would go insane and attack any mirror it sees.
I'm sure the LTTE guys even must be having movies of the SLAF bombing the bare land and watch them for entertainment.
Soon GSP+ etc will be unimportant, as the regional economies keep growing. Over the next 3-5 years the global slow down will be over, and there will be an unprecedeted Asian revival. SL is taking its chances at the right time.
Screw the EU, we will have enough business locally. The EU is referred to as the 'hind tit' by the Americans already.
India's planned 15,000 tank military is also a word of warning to the europeans. They've pointedly explained to them that India now possesses the ability take out ANY EU nation either in a conventional or nuclear war, with little effort. China has had that ability for over a decade.
What a total load of rubbish from the previous thread. Only an idiot would think that this world is heading into an East-West conflict more or less that India is looking for a fight with Europe.
India has developed its military and nuclear weapons not to tangle with Europe but to keep China at bay. The Europeans have identified India as a potential future ally as demonstrated by French President Sarkozy's visit to India this January. The US would not be signing a civilian nuclear agreement with India if India is pointing nuclear weapons at the west.
The fact is that the market for Sri Lanka's garment industry is in the West, NOT in other labor-intensive nations such as China or India. For SL to "screw the EU" and increase trade with Asian neighbors, it will have to create a niche of goods and services that Asia demands. The EU is far from being a "hind tit," along with China it is the fastest growing economy.
Here's something written by an Indian scholar to think about:
Waving Goodbye to Hegemony
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ei=5124&en=1af8c9c386cc212d&ex=1359176400&adxnnl=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&adxnnlx=1201533204-gaB7rDZWOvAR27v+6W4vSA
The more we appreciate the differences among the American, European and Chinese worldviews, the more we will see the planetary stakes of the new global game. Previous eras of balance of power have been among European powers sharing a common culture. The cold war, too, was not truly an “East-West” struggle; it remained essentially a contest over Europe. What we have today, for the first time in history, is a global, multicivilizational, multipolar battle.
For Sri Lanka to prosper this century- and to fend off our Indian Big Brother- she will have to form links with all three of the superpowers.
The preflight preparation for light aircraft takes approx 15 mins. I can imagine preflight inspection for F7s and Migs must be significant. You could fly straight away but with a lot of risk to crashing the aircraft.
Hence why Migs/Kfirs are useless for this. By the time they are ready Zlins have flown 60-70 kms.
What is needed here is something that could land and take off in minimum distances from unprepared landing strips and with minimal preparation. Only a simple aircraft can manage this. The F7 again overshot the Zlin pointing to jets are too fast. The simple light aircraft will also have the advantage that it can keep up with Zlin.
COIN aircraft or even arm the UAVs with guns. The new UAVs already has night flying capability.
E.T. Bailey hit it on the spot. The TAF is probaily the most sucessful part of the LTTE operations so far. It has cost the Sri Lankan Armed Forces Billions of rupees to counter it. Although it will be a small part of the LTTE's future operations.
You can call it their special forces or black tigers arm rather than airforce. Example a MBRL or artilery pad needs to be taken out and its almost impossible for the black tigers, use the Air Wing. They tried this recently.
It has never been caught. The Mid Level LTTE cadre is saying something even a couch analyst would know. They would have always be using roads for the attacks. Possibilty of sea planes are there.
LTTE has been working on an air wing for nearly 20 years. How hard is it for you or me to learn to fly a Zlin. After that with GPS and practice runs, you can coordinate your release to ensure the bomb drops within a certain perimeter. Example target is at GPS X. X-15meters GPS press release trigger. IF I had a PDA (which comes with GPS now) I had to set my altidute, flight speed, wind speed to get a simple spreadheet program to calculate my distance before releasing the bomb. Remeber there is 2 people on each plane.
Its a bomb so there is no need to drop a point X exactly. Its effective within a perimeter and structures like soldiers bunkers are beatiful as 5m right or left you still hit something. Thats again why they would not try the ship.
Practice, Practice and you can get it. Night flying is not easy but not difficult. They probabily did an extension to the runway in Iramandhu for fun. After all get few farmers or makkal padai and get them to fill the holes after each boming raid.
The photos the LTTE releases for the pilots is taken at random time and locations so whether prabha was real or photo imposed is a waste of time argurement.
The LTTE will not waste time displaying their own weapons. Its not worth the effort. Contary its collected for stock count. Rebel or military units are very strict with weapon and ammunition counts. Its a court martial offence to even lose a bullet of a bolt pin.
Moshe Dyan said...
... WHAT IF they ram a plane to a building, an economic nerve centre, the parliament.....
Just put Mervin Silva on top of the Parliament roof and the TAF will turn back because Mervin do lot more damage to SL than LTTE.
Good one DW & DA! keep em comming!
Aus Agreed. Panhinda without the Migs people also make noise with the Migs also they make noise. Of course some comission in buying the planes makes some people happy. However they could still use the Migs. The point is whether this has diverted money away from other useful purchases.
Some People want the LTTE to be around else, how to do politics and loot the country.
Guys.. after seen the SF post on the lankanewspapers i guess we suffered a bit. But this is to be expected when we are attacking enemy head on.
Anyway number of dead is around same figures for both parties so hope SLA move forward and capture this FDL and secure the west coast.
All, as I have mentioned earlier, why don't SLAF use something more simple to counter the Zlins:
Super Tucano from Embraer could be an alternative.
Some interesting points about the tucano....
a)Innovative evolution of the successful Tucano, around 650 of which are in service with 15 Air Forces, worldwide.
b)This multi-purpose, single-engine, tandem-seat military turboprop provides training and mission effectiveness at low acquisition and operating costs.
[Faster/ cheaper solution to Mig29)
c)The airplane presents excellent operational features that are necessary for successfully supporting counter-insurgency (COIN) missions. [Ideally matched for the LTTE context]
d)It comes with fourth-generation avionics and armament systems. The only truly multi-purpose solution available on the market.
e) The aircraft has five hardpoints for carrying weapons, and is capable of carrying a maximum external load of 1,500kg. The aircraft is armed with two wing-mounted 12.7mm machine guns with a rate of fire of 1,100 rounds a minute and is capable of carrying general-purpose bombs and guided air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles: the MAA-1 Piranha short-range infrared guided air-to-air missile from Orbita.[ Zlins will have a hard time avoiding these]
f) The ALX type is capable of operating day and night missions from remote bases and unpaved runways with minimal ground support.[Thus can be stationed close to the point of origin of Zlins, shortening the response time]
g) The flight envelope of the aircraft is +7G and -3.5G. The aircraft's small size, small visual and radar signatures, together with high speed and agility give the aircraft high survivability. Additional survivability features include armour protection and critical systems redundancy.[More than a mathc for Zlins turns]
h)The two seat AT-29 is fitted with a forward-looking infrared AN/AAQ-22 SAFIRE turret on the underside of the fuselage. The SAFIRE thermal imaging system supplied by FLIR Systems is for targeting, navigation and target tracking. The system allows the aircraft to carry out night surveillance and attack missions.[Thus capable of tracking the Zlins]
Any comments gentleman?
Cheer
The link to the Tucano details
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/super_tucano/
"E.T. Bailey hit it on the spot. The TAF is probaily the most sucessful part of the LTTE operations so far."
Navindran, you mis-cite Bailey, I don't think that he said TAF was the most successful of the LTTE operations so far.
Consider other angles please. For me, TAF mostly managed to escalate the war into new heights. It allowed India (a vital ally), who was a passive entity up to then, to actively support SLDFs.
The new technology/weapon platforms that the SLAF managed to acquire, citing the threat by TAF, made night missions, precise and more lethal bombardment, greater frequency in engagement of ground and naval targets, and increased efficency in scambling, exposure to new technology, ect. possible. Now the very same technology is not only a detternt to TAF (now TAF does not unertake audacious high flying mission to hit CMB), but also to the sea tigers, LTTE FDLs and bunkers, forest camps, hideouts ect. ect.
True, some of the procurements (like the Mig 29 deal) could be mess ups; but I will not hasten to pass judgement on that as yet (there are other angles to consider).
But not getting the TAF crafts that came to attack Trinco is a big boo boo. They will now fix the loop holes, as they always do, after the horse has left the stable.
Agree Rover on your point, historically SLDF response has been reactive rather than proactive. But of late we have introduced some new weapons to the game which are delivering the expected results as you mentioned.
Some more things that can be considered:
Radar guided rapid fire/ automated machine guns as a last line of defense for high priority locations/ assets.
Use of air burst rounds (if available to be procured) to get the Cats hiding behind trenches.
"Radar guided rapid fire/ automated machine guns as a last line of defense for high priority locations/ assets."
Yes, Apino, it is damnable that we didn't have these at a high priority area such as Trinco.
Adding to my initial point is that SLAF's new acquisitions (especially 3D radar, coupled with F-7s) will also be a deterrent to transport planes, which may be used to bring in vital reinforcements (perhaps several MBRL units, surface to air missiles ect.) to Vanni. Given that the Eastern sea board is almost gone, and the deep sea naval fleet of the LTTE is in tatters, the Airt transport would have been an option if LTTE did not escalate the situation.
Sorry, I meant the Western seaboard, not the eastern one.
Getting in vital supplies as I mentioned above is pretty much the easiest way LTTE can think of reversing the current siege by the SLDFs. VP, the putative military genius prevented this by escalating the air operations of the SLAF.
The people in airforce mission control is scared shitless to take risks and have total lack of imagination and quick thinking.
If the F7 spotted the Zlin flying low, why the hell didn't the pilot dive down and shoot it? Isnt there something known as 'air brakes' on these things? Why the didnt the pilot slam on the breaks, dive down and open up cannons.
Also, why bomb Iranmadu air strip? Even a child knows these are decoys by now . Is it because they can say "at least we did something". Well this is not good enough. My tax ruppees are being wasted here damn it!! I expect better results than this.
I agree with Alpine about the Super Tucano.
Hi there Rover, I like your "thinking out of the box" approach....i.e. the possibility logistic by air for Tigers. Now that the cats are cornered SLDF needs to be ever vigilant, coz the cats will try each and every trick in their book. They are sure to go for types of attacks which will create a media blitz (rather that gaining military an advantage) so that the diaspora is kept happy....therefor the continued flow of funds. And there is that Colonial Remnant of a Monkey, AKA Roland Burk (BBC) who will make sure that any such stunt receives good coverage in the world media. High time Patriotic Sri Lankans campaign against this Primate.
"The people in airforce mission control is scared shitless to take risks and have total lack of imagination and quick thinking. "
Panhinda, this over cautiousness of SLAF came in to practice after several unfortunate affairs earlier in the conflict where civilian/religious settlements were mistakenly targeted. Now the pilots are pretty much robots controlled by mission control. Anyway, it was a shitty night (cloudy and dark) to get a low flying aircraft using a F-7.
Hi There Panhinda,
While I agree with you on the need for action, probably the F7's did not drop altitude: a) Such an move would have brought it within range of the LTTE AA guns, b) While I cannot comment on air breaks with authority, I do believe that F7's are too fast to engage the Zlins at close range,
We need a Pilot with combat flying experience here to give us some relevant input...Any takers???
Just a suggestion, lets not thrash the SLAF guys, purely on scraps of information ....but like the Rover said...Trinco is a huge boo boo.
And by the way my name is not Alpine....its Apino Dannachess :))
Cheers mate, keep the good work going
One more thing rover, I though we had shoulder fired SAM's covering some to the high priority targets, but recently I read somewhere we don't have them. I can remember reading in Kasbawa's defense column ( I call Ikei Athas the Kasbawa as he surface here and there when there is a chance to boo boo SLDF)how the battery was low in the SAM targeting system when the Zlins dropped bombs in Colombo fuel depositary. Any take on this?
Rover,
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it was a shitty night (cloudy and dark) to get a low flying aircraft using a F-7.
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precisely why they came on that night! If it was clear skies, they wouldn't have come. The F7 pilot saw it. If he can see it, nothing to stop him from shooting it.
Apino
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And by the way my name is not Alpine....its Apino
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.. thousand apologies Apino. :)
Does anyone know from where to where this 18 km trench is in?
The LTTE seems to be favouring trench warfare. The ones in Muramaale seems to be favouring them. Now one in Mulladuva/Giranikke districts.
How does this trench war fare work with the LTTE?
In one of the pictures we can see green sacks placed on the trench. Probably by SLA to cross the trench. I guess we went in for some beating in Nachchikuda and Vanerikulam. But I guess the battle is not over yet. This is one we'll take a lot of damages from the looks of it but one of the more important ones to win.
GUYS LETS FOCUS ON HOW TO TACKLE THESE TRENCHES.
PLEASE KEEP THE NOISE DOWN AND THOSE WANT TO CONCENTRATE ON THE DEFENCE THEME PLEASE IGNORE IRRELEVANT DIALOUGES HERE.
To start off the topic where are the LTTE cadres stationed with regards to a trench.
- In the trench?
- Behind the trench? if so how behind the trench?
- In what concentrations?
- What are the tactics/weapons they use in conjuction with these trenches?
- etc?
Finally a big thanks to the NGOs and INGOs for contributing to make these trenches a reality.
Guys, SLA snipers in action in nachchikuda..
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080903_06
battle has only started it seems..
I think at nachchikuda we need to evolve and find ways to tackling the situation.
From what I can "imagine" now nochchikuda still has supply lines open to Punranna (Pooneryn) and Giranikke (Killinochchi)
So supplies and cadres must be getting replenished at a good rate.
Good grounds for attrition.
Snipers look like a good idea. How about some amphibious landings and attack in the rear?
Is Punranna now deserted?
Hi there Panhinda, no ruffled feathers here, just want to be factually correct....LOL
Yours Sincerely
Api Nodannachess
AKA
Apino Dannachess
Rover, Panhinda and all,
I'm going to take a break...I'm neglecting my work it seems. Will try to catch up with you gentleman in the night. This Toy Air Force (TAF) topic is a good one to be extended further.
But before I leave ( here I go again) few question on the comments made by Rover on a possible airdrop to replenish the tigers.
a)From where the flights would originates...Maldives...sea planes ??
b) What type of air crafts can undertake such a drop..while the SAMs can be done using small craft, for MBRL its a different case.
c) What would be the possible approach route and the drop zones
Panhinda and others,
"Hence why Migs/Kfirs are useless for this. By the time they are ready Zlins have flown 60-70 kms.
What is needed here is something that could land and take off in minimum distances from unprepared landing strips and with minimal preparation. Only a simple aircraft can manage this. The F7 again overshot the Zlin pointing to jets are too fast. The simple light aircraft will also have the advantage that it can keep up with Zlin."
You cannot use a COIN aircraft to intercept even a Zlin. Even if you had them based in Trinco or closeby, how exactly is an aircraft without radar going to find another small low flying aircraft at night??? Airspace is a very big 3 dimensional space in case some people have not noticed. The problem is compounded by the fact that SLAF radars are not sufficient to detect the Zlin (the article mentions 2D radar couldn't give the altitude) and guide non-radar equipped aircraft to the target within the few minutes that is available before they land in Mullaithivu.
Also how is a COIN aircraft which is no faster than a Zlin going to catch up with the enemy even if its based closeby?
That is why dedicated interceptors are used which have their own look-down-shoot down radars (which should be more effective than ground based radar) and capable of detecting the target from far away.
We dont know why the F7 didn't engage if he saw the target. Speed of a jet is not an issue. This is not WWII, they are not trying to get behind the Zlin and shoot him with guns. They are designed to detect the aircraft from very far away using radar/IRST and engage with missiles. If they want to they can slow down as well. The guns on modern jets are only ornamental (enough for few a seconds of shooting). So maybe the pilot couldn't get a radar/missile lock? Maybe DW can elaborate.
If you think jets cant intercept small slow targets check out the youtube clip of Russian Mig29 shooting down a Georgian UAV (a much smaller and slower target than Zlins), you might also notice how close and slow the Mig is flying when it fires.
"COIN aircraft or even arm the UAVs with guns. The new UAVs already has night flying capability."
You cant arm existing UAV's and there are no unmanned vehicles in the markey currently that can intercept any airborne threat, Zlin or otherwise.
COIN aircraft are totally useless in the SL context. Some people seem to have forgotten that we had COIN aircraft is the past (SF260, Pucara etc), which were not adequate at all for our requirements. The only use for COIN aircraft in SL would be for recon, forward fire control/artillery spotting etc. The Mi24/35's are much more capable at day/night CAS than over priced crap like Tucano's (can anyone point out one thing that a Tucano can do which cant be done with an Mi24/35). Incidentally, most countries which use COIN aircraft use them for completely different purposes (border patrol etc).
If you want to be certain of intercepting a Zlin everytime, you need a multi-layered air defence systems with better radars, short-medium range missile systems and the jets. That will cost quite a lot.
for guys based in and around Colombo,
there's mineral water bottle collection drive initiated by two guys on a sri lankan automotive website... www.autolanka.com
they are collecting these to be handed over to the Kuruwita SLA base and the water is for troops fighting on pooneryn sector.
If you can...please visit the site, get the details and join in for this worthy cause...
I know i'm in :)
"The guns on modern jets are only ornamental (enough for few a seconds of shooting)."
I'm sure fighter pilots who engaged in dogfights will heavily disagree with this :)
true about he lack of ammo quantity but guns are something that you gotta have in dogfighting..
I aint no expert but history channel showed some fancy dogfights, including recreated dogfight by world's best ace...
The man was saying how important guns are...especially at close quarter firing and through heavy maneuvers where a missile fight not be able to get a lock on or won't have enough time to do so
FYI,
Great to see an honest article from a Tamil Dispora.
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20080904_04
Ranil,
The last time guns were used in dogfights was in Vietnam and Arab/Israeli wars in the 1960's early 70's. That was because missiles were in their infancy at that stage and often unreliable.
The 300 rounds or so that are carried in a modern jet would be enough for about 15-20 seconds of shooting. Its a last resort only.
In a dogfight against a modern interceptor you would be dead long before you get close enough to use guns.
In the History Channel series you referred to, you might have noticed that guns were not used in any of the recent dogfights (i.e. Bosnia, Gulf etc).
ranil,
ARE YOU SERIOUS??
After poisoning in a training camp, they are collecting water bottles to go straight to the FDL? That is crazy!!
57 days to the 'normal' start of the north-east monsoon. raining may start in october as pre-monsoon downpour is a common occurance.
although operations would not be reduced, the terrain/weather which is VERY important is going to be MORE nastier to SLDFs than LTTE. this MIGHT well prove the difference between winning and losing a few battles.
i want 59 to intensify attacks on the mulaitivu front backed by SLAF/SLN in good time for the rains to come and play havoc on tigers.
Lankapura
[ ARE YOU SERIOUS??
After poisoning in a training camp, they are collecting water bottles to go straight to the FDL? That is crazy ]
You are one of the wise SriLankan who can think out side the box. Good buddy keep up.
lankapura
well if ltte managed to add Cn to the fish army suppliers delivered to the army training camp... nothing is really 100% safe right?
Hopefully the colombo based patriots who are taking the initiative too will collect these stuff from known folks so the risk is minimal...
I'd say this might be safer than 3rd party suppliers...
Shay
fair points... yes the top shot ace i was talking about was an Israeli pilot.
See the funny thing is even the F22 raptor is equipped with a M61A2 Vulcan gatling gun in starboard wing root with 480 rounds according to wiki..
although technology has evolved, guns still seems to be wanted...
Like you said...it will never be the main armament but it's something you gotta have IMHO
Panhinda,
"precisely why they came on that night! If it was clear skies, they wouldn't have come. The F7 pilot saw it. If he can see it, nothing to stop him from shooting it."
I realize that this is why they chose that night.
Do you really believe he would not have shot the Zlin down if he had a chance? We just have a tiny bit of information, that is that the F-7 pilot saw it.
But we don't know
1. the altitude at which the F-7 was flying.
2. what sort of clouds (cumulus, stratus, cirrus,
nimbus ect.), their area and density in the area at that time
3. for how long he saw it
4. the distance at which he saw it.
5. Speed at which he was flying.
5. as Apino said, the existence of LTTE manpads in the area
He may have seen the Zlin momentarily passing between two cloud formations, giving him not enough time to clib down from the altitude he was flying from. He must have been flying moderately high to increase his field of view, and definitely would not have been flying at 20m(!), the altitude at which the Zlins were supposed to have been flying. Also the Zlin may have sneaked into a cloud bank.
The possibilities are endless, so without knowing what exactly happened, there is little point blaming the pilot over this.
Hi,
About the extension of the tiger runway in Mullaitivu. I think there is a real possibility of the tigers attempting to hijack a civilian aircraft and land it there. The foreign pilot mercenaries would come in handy too. While Indian and Sri Lankan airports would be obvious places for hijackings, I would worry more about the Male and Bangkok airport.
Rover
well said sir! you've been a pilot???
Apino,
" I though we had shoulder fired SAM's covering some to the high priority targets, but recently I read somewhere we don't have them. I can remember reading in Kasbawa's defense column ( I call Ikei Athas the Kasbawa as he surface here and there when there is a chance to boo boo SLDF)how the battery was low in the SAM targeting system when the Zlins dropped bombs in Colombo fuel depositary. Any take on this?"
It is not easy as one may think to fire a SAM. A thermal battery is needed to activate the seeker, and the thermal battery will only be viable for about a minute. During this 60 secs, the seeker should be used to lock on to the target. Even after you get the lock, several seconds are needed for the gyroscope in the missile to activate, and then you can fire. It is very easy to make a cock up.
Ranil,
I have nothing to do with SLAF or flying. Flying was banned for me for life, after a family tragedy.
Ranil,
Agreed about the guns.
Is the Israeli ace you referred to Giora Epstein, the ace-of-aces? He's my favourite as well, and more so the machines they flew in those days, Mirage III and descendants. The most elegant jet fighters IMHO :)
Rover I think its been their biggest sucess story so far. Its kept them from revealing any further advances. India uses any opportunity it can to manhandle Sri Lanka. It used the LTTE and JRW to occupy Sri Lanka.
Panhinda flying a supersonic jet takes guts. You now how much training and at what gravtional pull or G they have to bear. Hence do not call them cowards. If the Airforce does not bomb Iramadhu then it does give the LTTE another avenue. So the least they do is to take out the obivious and targets. Example is tamilchelvam.
Hi there Shay,
Thanks for the informative write up on the relevancy of COIN/Tucano in SL context. I suggested the Tocano, purely based on the info available on the web and few things I know about aircrafts. I'm not a pilot either and the closest I have been to military aircraft is when I visited the Air show in Ratmalana, that was sometime ago. But I do really fly Tocano's, A10's, C130 etc in MS Flight Sim..LOL..so you see I'm not qualified to comment with authority. Hence my name "ApinoDannachess".
Looks like I finally succeed in getting a real pilot to comment on this...for that I'm happy. I stand corrected. By the way I read somewhere that the Tocano's can/ and has been used to intercept low flying props. Let me find the facts first and I shall return.
Agree on your point about MI 24's, but can they turn like a Tucano/ Zlin? But then you might say, with right weapons a MI24 need not dot that to engage a Zlin. Knowing the speed of MI24 is much greater than a Zlin, I use to wonder why we don't use them to hunt Zlins? I guess they don't have night flying capability.
So, all in all, what I can gather from your writeup is that for the moment we may have to tolerate these tincans....assuming that they will limit there engagements to these publicity stunts sans real strategic value. But I sure hope they don't find more innovative use for the Zlins especially when they realize that time is running out fast. Future targets may not necessarily be military or economic in nature. I sure do hope the counter measures will be ready in place to meet such an eventuality..so far, Api ready Api ready...habai gahala giyama ...loku loku baila kiyanawa...No disrespect intended for the SLAF who is doing their best with limited assets/ resources available.
Thanks once again
The civilian, AD
Singapore has a sophisticated defence system. It recently took down a cesena plane when it tried to intrude its airspace.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/195910,australian-pilot-fined-for-causing-shutdown-of-singapore-airspace.html
Singapore is rich and can afford it.
Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) capability was introduced in 1987 when four E-2C Hawkeyes were delivered to 111 Squadron. The duty of Maritime Patrol and Coastal surveillance is performed by the five Fokker 50 MPA (entered service in 1991), which can be armed with long-range anti-shipping Harpoon missiles and ASW torpedoes.
Air Defense Artillery/Surface-to-Air Missiles/Radar
MIM-23B I-Hawk
Mistral - MANPADS
Rapier Mk II
9K38 Igla - MANPADS
M113A2 Ultra Mechanised Igla
RBS 70 - MANPADS
Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon
Ericsson GIRAFFE Radar
Its got 131 Fighter Jets latest being the F16-Ds and F-5 Tigers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Singapore_Air_Force
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/air_force/index.html
Panhinda, Rover, Ranil and others,
Check out nightfox's home page on LNP.
www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2008/9/31906_space.html
I don't know about his sources, but he has given details of he Trinco air attack and reasons why the F7 failed to lock. Apparently pilot made two or three passes on the Zlin but couldn't get radar/missile lock (which I mentioned earlier might have been the reason), because of adverse weather conditions.
So it appears that it was extremely bad luck on our part and a near miss for the LTTE. Since some people have an aversion to the Mig-29, if we had them, the story could well have been different as the radar/IRST system is far superior to the KLJ-6E on the F-7G. They might have been able to get a lock on the Zlin.
He also mentions some details of the SA-16 MANPAD's.
Hi There Rover,
Thanks once again for the clarification on SAMs. I too thought you are pilot...purely on the quality of input.
I do agree with Navindran, we need to be careful before we flay the SLAF/ SLDF on shortcomings ...after all its easy to tap away sarcasm on our keyboards, but the guys in the field has to face reality, and we have limited knowledge of that.
Cheers All
Ethakota seer mewata mokada kiyanne?
http://defencewire.blogspot.com/2007/12/adizs_20.html
The Sri Lanka Government has created an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ) in 11 key areas of the Island. The Air Navigation Act of 9th October 2007 states that “No flight or aircraft shall operate within, into or out of an ADIZ without a valid Air Defence Clearance (ADC).… Any aircraft flying without an ADIZ is liable for interception by the Sri Lanka Air Force under the interception procedure as published in the Sri Lanka AIP [1] (AIP refers to the Aeronautical Information Publication).
ADIZs form the first line of defence against aerial intrusions into a country and are vital to a country’s national security. They are usually formed along national borders, above a country’s coastal waters (Coastal Air Defence Identification Zone) and also, due to some recent high profile terrorist attacks, in specially designated areas of strategic military or political interests. In aviation terms, an ADIZ is defined as “The area of airspace over land or water, extending upward from the surface, within which the ready identification, the location, and the control of aircraft are required in the interest of national security.” A third variety of ADIZ is defined in the United States and Canada called a “Distant Early Warning Identification Zone (DEWIZ)”.
An important recent development of ADIZs is being observed in Sri Lanka and India. The first major international change on ADIZs took place following the September 11th attacks in New York and Washington DC. The US government decided to create an ADIZ for Washington DC, that country’s Capital. This was seen as a desire to protect that country’s Political establishment. In Sri Lanka, the majority of the ADIZs are over the skies of key Military Installations [2]. It is the same case in India. Interestingly, the skies over the Economic Capital of Sri Lanka, Colombo, and the sacred Buddhist Shrine the Dalada Maligawa has also been declared ADIZs. Setting yet another precedent, the skies over President Mahinda Rajapakse’s ancestral home at Medamulana, Weeraketiya in Tangalle has also been declared an ADIZ. The last two locations, namely the Dalada Maligawa and Medamulana may enter the record books as the most unusual places ever to have been declared AIDZs.
ADIZs are worthless unless there’s a deterrence capability. Deterrence in this scenario is the capability to intercept enemy aircrafts flying in an ADIZ. To test this capability the Sri Lanka Air Force ran a mock trial on the 12th of this month in Colombo and previously at Katunayake, home to the SLAF’s number 10 Fighter Jet Squadron. The Indian joint operation Dhakshina Prahar, involving the Indian Air Force (IAF), the Indian Navy and the Coast Guard had also concluded a week-long simulated Air Defence Exercise which ended the day of the SLAF’s Colombo trials. Using Beyond Visual-Range Missiles, Sukhoi-30 and Mirage 2000 fighter jets, the Indian Air Force engaged mock intruders at Thiruvananthapuram, Vishakhapatnam and Arakkonam, all areas of possible intrusion by Tamil Ealam Air Force (TAF).
These and other developments since 9/11 point to some grave conclusions, which are as follows;
1. The acquisition of ‘Air-capabilities’ by Non-state actors considered terrorists are a serious threat to global security.
2. States, whether large or small or powerful or weak must take these threats seriously or face humiliation or grave threats to National Security.
3. States, whether large or small are forced to spend enormous amounts of money for defence against preemptive attacks by terrorist planes while the terrorists themselves may use low-cost methods for such attacks.
4. The threat of non-state actors, especially those branded terrorists acquiring air capabilities increases chances of transnational or cross-border terrorism.
5. Whether it’s Washington DC, a religious shrine in Kandy or a small village in the rural south of Sri Lanka, no place is spared by the threat of the ‘airborne terrorist’.
Whtas the Meaning of this?
Tuesday, December 11, 2007
No Dying for Our land. Let them Die for Theirs
The Sri Lanka Army has advanced and spread across the entire Manthai Area by yesterday. The LTTE launched five counter attacks to retake the Manthai FDL which were all repulsed by the Army. The Army's motto for these undeclared and unnamed operations is 'Don't Die for Our Land. Let Them Die for Theirs'. The motto signifies the strategic objective of not fighting for control over land and forcing the Tigers to defend their own. The strategy has yielded significant successes.
Guys, please make sure you are not distracted..
Shay, thanks for the link. That answerers most of my questions and put an end to speculation that we see.
Hi Apino,
"Looks like I finally succeed in getting a real pilot to comment on this..."
I'm not a pilot. Just an enthusiast.
"By the way I read somewhere that the Tocano's can/ and has been used to intercept low flying props."
Yes a Tucano did shoot down a prop. However, a one off chance encounter does not mean its a suitable interceptor. For example, US A-1 props shot down two Mig-17 jets in Vietnam. This does not mean props can be used to intercept modern jets for example.
"Agree on your point about MI 24's, but can they turn like a Tucano/ Zlin?"
Its a helicopter. It can even fly backwards if you want it to.
"Knowing the speed of MI24 is much greater than a Zlin, I use to wonder why we don't use them to hunt Zlins? I guess they don't have night flying capability"
They cant be used to intercept for the simple reason that they dont have radar. How do you expect to find a small plane at night without using radar over a large 3 dimensional area within a matter of 15-20 minutes?? They do have a FLIR system, however its designed mostly for ground attack, so doesn't have the range of similar systems carried on interceptors which can see in both front and rear hemispheres at a greater azimuth.
"I sure do hope the counter measures will be ready in place to meet such an eventuality."
Read nightfox's article on his homepage. All the countermeasures are not yet in place, but hopefully getting there.
Nasty Nasty reply Shay, but always happy to be corrected and to learn.
Yes, I checked out the link, you are right...things are falling in to place.
Pilot or land blubber, good stuff
Cheers
I also feel that Mi24 or some sort of attack helicopter is the answer to take down zlins.
Even if they are not equipped with radar can we not station them where we would expect attacks and make them airborne as soon as we detect the zlins? I guess the time to get airborne will be the minimum of any type of air craft. The helicopter can hover around the target (where it took off from the first place) and intercept the zlins somewhere around the perimeter of the target. We may need some IR equipment to visually track the zlins.
What do you think?
Hi Apino
"Nasty Nasty reply Shay"
Sorry Apino. That was not intended. I prefer to get to the point when replying, don't mean to be rude.
Always happy to give my two cents :)
Hi Shay, no prob...sort of liked the vitriol in between...
Cheers Mate
Shay,
"Since some people have an aversion to the Mig-29, if we had them, the story could well have been different as the radar/IRST system is far superior to the KLJ-6E on the F-7G. They might have been able to get a lock on the Zlin."
Thanks. Yes, exactly, we need to consider other aspects before criticizing SLAF's decision to get Mig 29s. I too think Mig29s would have saved the day.
Shay, Rover and all
I'm all for Mig29 as the advantages are very clear....but few questions for further discussion
a) can SL afford it,just forget that I asked this Q, coz hell we can afford anything...
b) Whats the opportunity cost of buying Mig29's, i.o.w can the funds be better spent on some other defense aspect giving greater short/ long term advantages.(remember these stuff get air born by USD otherwise allocated to Student Nuwan's education, Sick Man Saranapala's free medical care, Fisherman Seeman Aiya's Tsunami housing or by pawning few future generations)
c) Is there a cheaper, adequately effective solution which is proportionate to the threats posed by Zlins.
d) can the Mig29's be made operational in time (even on wet lease basis) before Zlins are eliminated by the ground offensive/F8s etc,
e) How do we justify the Mig29s in post-Zlin environment (say the Zlins are taken out by Mig29/or by other means), While I'm aware its a multi-role aircraft, can it fill an existing/ future gap that is not met by the current fleet: to justify the associated life-cyle costs( purchase,maintenance, ground support infrastructure etc)
.........sure don't want to see such bird next to the tigermoths in R'lana in 2-3 years.
Note: Migs are said to be due in Nov, and thats time by which the Ground offensive is estimated overrun LTTE land area.
What are the chances leaders of LTTE escaping using hired private planes/jets?
Shay,
/*
You cannot use a COIN aircraft to intercept even a Zlin. Even if you had them based in Trinco or closeby, how exactly is an aircraft without radar going to find another small low flying aircraft at night???
*/
Picture yourself in 1940 England in a small RAF airfield with few Spitfires. Also imagine two Zlins come and drop a couple of crude home made bombs and fly away. Do you think they will last even till the second day let ALONE the 7th attempt? Did their aircraft have on board or 3D radar? Did they have missiles? Did they have supersonics? Did it matter what shape the clouds were? NO! Soon as their rudimentary radar starts to blip, the Spitfire pilot would be heading for his aircraft. The pilot would be flying head on towards the enemy with the finger firmly on the trigger. You can also count on Zlin being shot down within the first round of the dogfight.
Can a Fulcrum do a better job? Of course it can. But does can you justify the cost and the time required for training and maintainence when these crop dusters can be beaten with WW2 technology? Stop thinking as if we are facing a squadron of F16 from the axis of evil. Perhaps then your mind will open up to other more effective possibilities.
Panhinda,
dont get me wrong, but once the RAF or Luftwaffe were up in the sky to intercept the offender didnt land in a jiffy as the ltte planes does. They stood and came at you to FIGHT!
In our case it all about chasing and intercepting. With the WWII you have in mind how are the SLAF supposed to chase? Once its airborne it will take time to locate the Zling and then to get to a suitable firing position. The Zling wont be coming at you for a dog fight like the RAF or the Luftwaffe.
Be realistic for once.
And then there's the question with range. Its not like you can add drop tanks to WWII aircraft to maximise its range.
demiris,
/*
In our case it all about chasing and intercepting. With the WWII you have in mind how are the SLAF supposed to chase? Once its airborne it will take time to locate the Zling and then to get to a suitable firing position.
*/
What is the big deal about intercepting Zlin? You know which direction they are coming from and you also have a pretty good idea which direction they will head back.
There was a runway is each of the location TAF has bombed so far. They have also known at least 15 mins before arrival. Why not station a Pucra or some other prop driven machine then scramble as soon as TAF is spotted? Circling the airspace in a tight loop was all that was needed for interception.
Hi,
Can someone here let me know, why our Army is only attacking rebel held areas from the South and never from the North?
Is it because of the lagoon that makes it difficult?
Ruwani,
Because the northern front is waiting to take on the fleeing terrorists when they hit hard and chased away from kilinochchi.
911 is comming soon, tigers might do something crazy, so watch out, use Grad-rocket system and Arty - keep hammering - keep hammering.
don't let them start wave type attack - don't send our guys into killinochie - not yet, not yet.
use the flamethrower if you have to, use anything go get them...
GOD Bless our SLA, SLN and SLAF
[ Ruwani said...
Hi,
Can someone here let me know, why our Army is only attacking rebel held areas from the South and never from the North?
Is it because of the lagoon that makes it difficult?
September 4, 2008 6:50 PM ]
Hope ur Balls are fine..
the answer for u questions is, Most of our SLA guys cant swim across lagoon. if we replace SLN guys in Jaffna, then they can swim and attack from North.:-)
[ சிறிலங்காவின் தலைநகர் கொழும்பு கிராண்ட்பாசில் உள்ள சிறீ முத்துமாரி அம்மன் ஆலயத்தை பௌத்த பிக்கு ஒருவர் தலைமையிலான காடைக்கும்பல் தாக்கி சேதமாக்கிள்ளது. இதில் ஆலயத்தின் முன்பக்க கோபுரமும் உட்பக்கத்தில் உள்ள விக்கிரகங்களும் சேதமடைந்துள்ளன.
இந்த இந்து ஆலயம் புனருத்தாரணம் செய்யப்பட்டு நேற்று புதன்கிழமை குடமுழுக்கு நடைபெற்றது.
இந்நிலையில் இன்று அதிகாலை 2:00 மணியளவில் ஆலயத்துக்குச்சென்ற பௌத்த பிக்கு தலைமையிலான காடைக்கும்பல் ஆயலத்தை அடித்து நொறுக்கி சேதமாக்கியுள்ளது.
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Can anybody translate this to me?
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33. Man's Story: Office Hours (6/26/00)
I was a restaurant manager working on a Sunday night around 7:30, very busy. I was in the office when the dining room manager comes into the office, closes the door and tells me she has to talk to me (we had been having a little fling for about a month). I'm standing in front of her when she starts to kiss me and unzip my pants. Of course this got me going so I moved her over to the desk and put her on it. I raised her skirt and noticed she had removed her pantyhose. I was ready and she was wet and I fucked her right there with employees knocking on the door for voids and such. I came with tremendous force and so did she.
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67. Man's Story: Co-Worker Kim (4/17/01)
I met Kim at work. She was a hot luscious married blonde with long legs, great ass and great boobs. We got to talking and found out she wasn't happily married and wasn't getting enough. One day I was complaining about my girl and she suggested we have an affair since we were both unhappy. I took her by her hand to the parking lot and kissed her in a dark corner.
The next day we went to "lunch" and parked outside my apartment. We started kissing and petting-she was wearing a slinky black dress and I pulled out a tit and bit and sucked on it. Then I fingered her neatly trimmed blonde pussy and made her grab my cock. Took her inside and on the sofa we French kissed, then she suddenly started undressing leaving only her thong panties on. I got naked, rock hard, and we locked into another wet kiss. I whispered "I want to fuck you bad" into her ear and she said "fuck me-I want you so bad" so I laid her down roughly on the floor and get into a 69 position. I started eating her pussy and playing with her hole. I just licked and licked until she came-it felt great having my dick in her mouth as she had her orgasm.
Next I picked her up and placed her on the couch, taking the thong off, and spread her legs and lifted her ass in the air. I took my dick and slid it inside her moist cunt, telling her how beautiful she was and how much I'd wanted to fuck her. I started humping her gently, but she wanted harder-and shouted as much! I rammed into her harder, telling her she was my woman now, my slut, and that I was going to fuck her as much as I wanted! She kept saying "oh yeah" as I fucked her blonde pussy. Next I laid her face down on the sofa and penetrated her again. She kept saying "fuck me" as I felt it was coming. I pulled it out and telling her I was making her mine splattered my cum on her tits and I rubbed it on her and made her do the same. I fucked her dozens of times during the year it lasted until her husband found out and we had to stop.
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57. Woman's Story: Janitor's Closet (11/23/00)
I was at work one day, between meetings, and my husband was on his lunch break, so he brought me lunch to my work for us. We had been eating for a while and we finished, and were just messing around, he was kissing my neck and sticking his hand down my blouse. So, of course, this got us both really hot and I felt his hard on on my back. I grabbed his hand and we went into a janitors room down the hall. We didn't even lock the door! I leaned over and put my hands down on this table that was against the wall. He pulled my skirt and and my hose off, then my panties and pushed himself into me. With his hands on my hips I started making noises and he started banging me like he never had before. The table was bumping against the wall and I knew someone was just going to walk in any minute, but I liked that. He blew his load inside me and we had an amazing orgasm together. Then I kissed him by and he got back to work.
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43. Man's Story: In the Elevator (8/19/00)
I've seen her many times before in the elevator as we normally go up to our respective floors. We always exchange that kind of look. One day, the elevator was overcrowded and she was pressed on her back to me. She didn't seem to mind, in fact, she was slowly wiggling and rubbing her ass on my bulging cock. When she didn't walk out on her floor, I know something more than my cock is up.
Without even once looking at me, she stood next to me, both of us facing the door. She held her coat in a manner that covered my crotch. Her other hand, under her coat, was making way to my fly, and before anything, my fly was opened and she was stroking my cock up and down. It felt so hot and thinking that people going in and out of the elevator might see what's going on really burn me up. And all the while, she kept a straight face.
The elevator must have gone up and down a hundred times, but she kept going, stroking me harder and harder still. Finally I was ready to cum, so I murmured, this is it. With that, she stopped and squeeze my cock really hard, I couldn't stand the agony. I couldn't quite cum, and was panting hard. Finally she said, "Not on my coat you wont...". Then, she let go my cock, still hard, as the elevator open again, she turned to me and give me a quick kiss on my cheek and smiled. While going out, she said, "Find me....". I only had barely enough time to put my aching cock back into my pants. But I did find her, only to find out that she is my VP of Operations... Oooops..
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151. Woman's Story: Office Fling (8/15/03)
We both worked in the same department at work along with my husband, but we'd had an ongoing flirtation for months. My husband works the day shift, but I work the night shift along with my fling. One night, we finally admitted to each other how much we both wanted to take things further and ended up having cybersex over IM at work. The next night, we had our regular "date" to hang out, and we thought we'd be alone. Unfortunately, one of his old friends showed up in town earlier than expected, and given my marital status, we had to keep things contained. But I couldn't take my eyes off him. When I stepped outside for some air, my coworker followed me and we ended up having a heavy makeout session in his backyard
142. Woman's Story: Nurse In the Dark (4/29/03)
I work at a hospital and there is this male nurse who was always joking with me about any place any time. The department I work in is closed on Saturdays so I asked him if he wanted to cum take a nap because he looked tired.
A few min. later he walked down without a word he came up behind me and pulled down my scrubs without a word just started fucking. He was wild and hard it was so exciting to be in the dark knowing at any time someone could come in.
Ever other Saturday we both sign up to work. We have tried every position without a word. We never talk he just puts his penis where ever he wants it and I mean it has been in my mouth , my ass, my cunt. Sometimes he puts it in more than one place. The more we are in the dark the better, it is it's like doing a stranger then going back to work.
Whenever I see him I get so wet knowing in a few days he is going to fuck me raw. We have been fucking for 6 months now and he gets better and better every time. I tell you being taken is the best turn on.
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139. Woman's Story: Legal Education (2/20/03)
I work for a mid-sized construction firm. We have our own in-house legal department which is run by a very sexy single lawyer. He and I have always had a good working relationship with a lot of repressed sexual energy between the two of us. One afternoon about a year ago we were both scheduled to appear in a company meeting. Not having had good sex in a long while I decided to have a "pre-meting conference" as a good way to get my satisfaction.
I went into his office, locked the door and put my files down on the floor. He must have known I was up to no good because he slid his chair back from his desk far enuff for me to straddle him. As I kissed his neck in silence he unbuttoned my shirt and played with my nipples. I was already wet before even entering the office and this of course only made it worse! I slid down his 6'2" body and opened his pants to reveal a perfect sized very hard cock.
As I sucked him off he came in my mouth with such force it only turned me on more. He picked me up and put my ass on his desk where he proceeded to lick suck and tease my clit till i came like i have never before. He then slid into me for another 20 minutes of intense pleasure. As he slid himself in and out of me he sucked and bit my neck and nipples. When i felt him cum inside me i had yet another intense orgasm. This began a very productive work relationship between the two of us. We now have our own "conferences" at least twice a week in any available room. Nobody has ever suspected our little trysts to this day. I have never had better sex in my entire life.
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163. Man's Story: Beauty Shop Blow Job
I have girlfriend who is working as a hairstylist and I usually will visit her after work. One day, her boss was not around and there were no customers at that time. Her colleagues were also relaxing at the front portion of the shop. I was at the back with my girl and I asked her to stroke my cock. Suddenly, she was sucking it and I was looking outside to see whether there were any customers or her colleagues coming to the back. As she was sucking it, I was pumping my cock into her mouth and she kept saying, "I want your sperm! Faster, pump it out!" As my sperm is gushing out, the showtime came. She sucked my juice even harder so that my sperm flowed more rapidly into her mouth. It was totally like heaven.
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164. Woman's Story: Office Hottie
I always liked Chris. Such a hunk! We shared the same office. Our desks are next to each other. I purposely wore a short low V-neck dress the other day and I knew I had to have him. I had dropped some of my papers purposely by his desk on the floor and I bent over slowly to pick them up. He reached over to help me and I could see his eyes traveling to my low neck top outlining the curves of my breasts. The I turned around and bent down to file the papers in the low filing cabinet behind him. I could see he was looking up my skirt which rode up as I bent down. I had purposely wore no panties underneath. I remained frozen in that position to see his response.
I held my breath as I saw him under my legs coming over and quietly unzipping his pants. He grabbed my hips toward him and I felt his hot and throbbing prick inside me. His hands traveled down my shoulders as he pulled my dress down to my hips and he grabbed and kneaded my breasts. His fingers squeezed and played with my jutting tits while he thrust mightily into my wet pussy. My body jerked as I climaxed and he followed soon after. Suddenly the door to our office opened and the office boy exclaimed, "Sorry!" and closed the door. We both laughed as we had seconds.
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167. Man's Story: Business Lunch
I was visiting an office building in another city close by and I happened to run into a woman who used to work for me. We had always liked each other and we were both really happy to meet. She said she worked in this building and was on her way home for lunch, and would I like to join her? I said sure. She told me that since I had last seen her she had gotten a divorce and now had her own apartment within walking distance. When we got to her place, she asked me if sandwich and salad was OK, and I said sure. While we were chatting she asked me if I had ever known that she had had a crush on me. I told her no, I hadn't known. She said that it drove her crazy that I never picked up on her subtle hints. She just stood there looking at me and I decided to go for it. I took her in my arms and kissed her with lots of tongue. She kissed back and started rubbing my cock through my pants. I bent her over her dining table and lifted her dress. I pulled her panties down and dropped my pants and fucked her right on the table. We were both very excited and it didn't take long before I was pumping my cum into her. Of course we forgot about lunch and I walked her back to her office. We still communicate by email and will probably hook up again in the future.
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172. Woman's Story: After Hours Affair (10/15/03)
When I was 20, I was working for a company, and had the hots for this tall, dark, sexy, older (42), married supervisor. I flirted with him a lot, and I noticed he liked it, but knew that's probably the furthest it would go. One night after shift ended, I stayed to do some work and it was just he and I alone in the office. I gave him some hints with my eyes that I wanted him so bad, but I could not detect any interest. Before I knew it, he asked me to go to the conference room to help him with something. He closed the door behind us, and told me he had wanted me for the longest time. I was thrilled! We both got undressed and got on the table and I gave his large, throbbing dick the best blow job ever. He had the hottest body. He laid me on the table and ate my shaved pussy, and finally he spread my legs and gave me the best fucking ever. When he shot his big load in me, I came as well, and from that night on the conference room became the frequent meeting place for our hot encounters.
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176. Man's Story: Best Meeting Ever (10/15/03)
I was in one of those dreadful meetings that come about every month at the office, but this time it was the best meeting ever. I had gone without sex for about two months and had just come off being sick, so I was ready to go, but I did not know I was this ready! We have a glass table in our conference room and the beautiful new woman Heather sat across from me. She had beautiful light red hair with and an absolutely perfect body. Her shirt was semi-low-cut and she had tits you could stare at forever. During the meeting I got aroused looking across at her, more than normal and it just seemed to elevate. Then, as if she could read my mind, she would move her legs, but in doing so, she would pull up her skirt just an inch or so to give me a better view. She was wearing thigh-high nylons that ran into her creamy thighs. I really started to get to me! I could feel the tremendous throbbing and pre-cum starting to make its way out of my cock. We made eye contact a few times, I heard nothing in the meeting, and knew that she new exactly what she was doing.
She pulled back one side of her jacket to show that her nipples were so hard, then looked at me and raised an eyebrow. The combo took me to a place I had never been. To make it worse, she reached into her jacket as if she was looking for a pen, but I know she was touching one of her nipples. Between that and seeing her rock ever so slightly back and forth on the chair, it was over. I actually started to ejaculate and it was the best one ever! Especially since I had to hide it from everyone in the room. I had never had such an intense orgasm! The fight to keep myself from moaning and twitching made it even worse, but it was well worth it! I had to sit there in the meeting with cum in my pants for about another 20 min.
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185. Woman's Story: Tied Him to the Bed (11/13/03)
We met at a bar. I was attracted to him the minute I saw him. He was very sleek and sexy, and I was getting aroused just thinking about him. After about half an hour and 4 beers, he approached me. We then began to talk for a while about everything -- who I was and what I was about, and vice versa. By the time we were done talking, I was was too intoxicated to drive myself home. He offered me a ride and I agreed. The whole way home I kept glancing at him, my cunt pulsating at the thought of fucking him. When we got to my house, I suggested he come in for a bit. He agreed, and followed me inside. The second he was inside, I grabbed his cock and told him how much I wanted him. He said he felt the same way, and we began ripping each other's clothes off. I took him to my bed. All he had on was his shirt. I took off my bra and panties, and proceeded to tie his hands to the bed with them. Then, very gently, I sucked on the tip of his head, but nothing else. His precum was already dripping into my mouth. He moaned slightly, and I proceeded to suck the tip of his massive cock. Then I straddled him, and rubbed his head through my clit. I kept this up until he yanked his hands to free himself, grabbed my ass, and pushed himself inside of me.
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169. Woman's Story: Roadside Rendezvous
I was traveling back from visiting family back in Nebraska to my home in Minnesota. A very good looking guy in a Nissan sports car passed me but then slowed alongside. He smiled and waved and we went along for several miles flirting back and forth. Eventually he waved goodbye and sped on ahead. About 20 minutes later I pulled off into a rest area to do what you have to do once in a while on a long car trip. There his car was, and he was just walking back to it. He started right in flirting as soon as I got out of my car and we talked for a few minutes with his comments getting more and more lewd. My own were too, which I don't usually do. The outcome of all this was that after about 10 minutes of talking by our cars, we walked behind the rest area building and I gave him a blow job. So far it is the only totally anonymous sexual encounter of my life, since we never asked each other even our first names.
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84. Woman's Story: Honk His Horn
Driving late one night from work to see my boyfriend at college I found myself following a white truck. He wasn't going fast so I passed him, and then he tried passing me turning on the light in his cab so I could see what he looked like. Finally after miles of passing each other I finally pulled over into a parking area, and he pulled in behind me. He got into the passenger seat of my car, and we just started talking about how stupid we were being. He was actually married and on his way home, but somehow his lips met with mine and things just took off. His hand made its way down my pants and he started playing with my clit. I unzipped his pants to find the biggest cock I had ever seen, it was huge. He took off my pants and pulled me on top of him. I rubbed the tip of his dick around my wet pussy and finally he pushed me down on top of it. He fucked me so hard it was amazing, it was the first time I had orgasmed during sex. He moaned and yelled and finally when he got close to blowing his wad I went down on him and sucked him until he came in my mouth. We thanked each other, got dressed and then went on to our destinations. It was the most incredible 45 minutes of my life, and I didn't even find out the guys name.
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83. Woman's Story: Complete Stranger
I have been in a long term relationship since high school. What my boyfriend doesn't know is that I fucked another guy. I went backpacking through Europe before starting university. I picked up a guy at a Dublin bar. We started out just dancing but I soon found myself at a quiet table in the corner of the bar. I climbed on top of the guy and he started kissing my tits and rubbing my ass. His fingers found there way under my skirt and into my dripping pussy. I undid his pants and slipped out his hard cock. He ripped off my panties and I began fucking him. I let him finger my ass and I rode his hard cock. Before he came, I slid off and wrapped my lips around him so he could cum down my throat. We left the bar shortly after that and headed to a hotel. He slipped the clerk $100 us to let us take a room for a few hours. The things he did to me from there I couldn't begin to explain. I can only say I was thoroughly fucked and enjoyed every second of it. My boyfriend back home still thinks he has been the only man for me . . . if only I could tell him how much I liked fucking a complete stranger.
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70. Woman's Story: Roadside Rendezvous
I was traveling from visiting family back in Indiana to my home in Minnesota. A very good looking guy in a Nissan sports car passed me but then slowed alongside. He smiled and waved and we went along for several miles flirting back and forth. Eventually he waved goodbye and sped on ahead. About 20 minutes later I pulled off into a rest area to, well do what you have to do once in a while on a long car trip. And there his car was and he was just walking back to it. He started right in flirting as soon as I got out of my car and we talked for a few minutes with his comments getting more and more lewd, and my own were too which I don't usually do. The outcome of all this was that after about 10 minutes of talking by our cars we walked behind the rest area building and I gave him a blow job. So far it is the only totally anonymous sexual encounter of my life, since we never even asked each other even our first names.
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147. Woman's Story: Spanish Fly
I was at a waterpark in Spain with a couple friends with me. We all decided to try out the tube slide. So we got our tubes and started going down the slide, at the third pool, a hot lifeguard was assisted me down the next slide, and he asked something in Spanish...I simply nodded, not knowing the language.
At the end of the slide we decided to go again, but as we were going back the the beginning, the same lifeguard was walking towards me, he grabbed my had gently and lead me to the men's changing rooms... I was completely shocked, but I could feel myself get wet, I never even noticed leaving my friends.
By the time we entered the changing room he was completely hard and ready to go. Not being able to resist we both started kissing passionately, and I lowered myself down to his cock, and I heard his groans as I sucked at it, after 5 minutes he pulled me up and slammed me against the door, and we fucked. That was my best fuck ever.
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144. Man's Story: Park This
I work as a security guard for a public parking garage during graveyard shifts. It's normally pretty quiet but there's a bar a couple blocks down. A lot of people from that bar park in our garage, and when the bars let out we sometimes have some problems. One night, I was down by the street at the entrance to the garage keeping an eye on things when a trio of gorgeous girls staggered into view on the way to their car in the garage. Two were wasted and I guess the third was a designated driver but they were all hot as hell.
One was a short blond girl with striking features and huge tits. She looked like she was ready to fall out of her dress and she started coming onto me as soon as they got within earshot. I could smell the booze on her but she started rubbing up against me really tightly as the other two watched and laughed. She then whispered into my ear that she wanted to give me a blowjob so I pulled her over into a stairwell. She dropped to her knees and pulled out my dick, licking and sucking on it as I leaned back against the wall.
Finally I couldn't take it anymore and I pulled her up to her feet before digging a condom out of my wallet. She was giggling as I pulled the rubber on and then I lifted up her dress and slammed into her with all I had. She wrapped her legs around me as I pulled the top of her dress down so I could nibble on her tits. I came within minutes and so did she and then she left me there gasping as she pulled up her dress and went back outside to meet her friends. I never saw her again but every Friday I keep hoping she'll come back.
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141. Man's Story: Girlfriend for the Night (3/11/03)
We met at a party. I didn't have a date and neither did she so we became each other's date just to give us someone to talk to without busting in on other couples. We had a couple drinks and danced a little bit and pretty soon we were really hitting it off and I offered to give her a ride home since she probably shouldn't drive. She accepted.
Back at her apartment, as soon as we hit the door, she wrapped herself around me and we made out in the hallway. She lost her dress on the way to the bedroom and she had me stripped down as soon as we hit the bed. Her moth went to work on my cock in the best blow job I've ever experienced and then I had her breast in my mouth as I worked my fingers in and out of her wet pussy. She slid a condom on me and said she couldn't wait anymore so I plowed into her and we fucked with reckless abandon until I couldn't hold it anymore and I exploded with an AMAZING orgasm. She didn't cum the first time so I went to work with my mouth until she finally came herself. We fucked all night and have been dating ever since.
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112. Man's Story: Acting Partner (6/2/02)
I was in Toronto participating in some theatre workshops there. I met a girl named Britney who was originally from Texas but I guess had come from Virginia. I was immediately attracted to her as she had a gorgeous face, long and silky brown hair, dark brown eyes, and a knockout body. We did some scenes together through the workshop and hit it off right away.
One day after the class was over, I was in the dressing room getting changed and she walked in to grab some costumes since she was running crew that week. Her eyes widened when she saw me there in my boxers and then she blushed a bit and turned away but I could see she liked what she saw.
Fast forward two weeks to the end of the workshop and everyone was getting trashed at a farewell party and we ran into each other. She looked AMAZING in a black tube top and tight leather pants and she was also slightly intoxicated, but not flat-out drunk. We started dancing and she turned and slid her ass back against my pelvis as I had my hands on her hips. I could feel myself getting aroused as I turned her back around and pressed her firmly to my chest and I could feel her breasts heaving against me as she breathed. We started to rock slowly from side to side and I brought my hands down over her ass and pulled her in even tighter as we danced and her hands slid down my chest and then grabbed my ass in return before wrapping her arms around my neck as she brought her face up closer to mine.
"I've wanted you since I saw you in the dressing room," she whispered into my ear.
I felt her tongue flick into my ear for an instant and I was immediately as hard as a rock.
It didn't take long for us to get to her room where the dancing continued. What started as a slow disrobing turned into us ripping the clothes off each other as we fell to the bed and she kissed me deeply, her tongue sliding against mine. I leaned down and took her breast in my mouth as she moaned loudly and then she slid down the whole length of my body and took my cock into her mouth.
I thought I was going to lose it right then as nothing ever felt so good but she was soon back up and had her legs wrapped tightly around my hips as I fought to get the condom on and then plowed into her with everything I had. Her nails raked my spine as I pounded in and out and then ran my tongue up and down her throat and across her lips.
I pulled out and then ate her out as she pulled my mouth even tighter against her pussy and screamed my name, sending me totally over the edge as I entered her again and we ground our hips together. Sweat was pouring off of our bodies and our moans got louder and louder until I thrust into her and had the most mind numbing orgasm of my life.
Even after I came, she was still rocking back and forth into my dick as it started softening and then she came herself, covering the bedsheet with her juices as she wrapped me in an embrace and we kissed. We laid there for a while and dozed for a few hours and then we had sex again when we woke up and I will always remember her as the absolute greatest fuck of my life.
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116. Woman's Story: Neighbor (7/12/02)
I was in my apartment smoking a cigarette and downing a few beers, when someone knocked. I opened the door and found a thin, beautiful black goddess smiling at me. She had a tight t-shirt on, with no bra, and a pair of form-fitting shorts. She said that her friend, who was may next-door neighbor, was having a party. They had just run out of booze and they sent her over to see if I had any. "Sure." I said, holding up the beer in my hand, "come right on in."
She followed me to the kitchen and I offered her a beer. I was wearing shorts at the time and the beer was knocking down my inhibitions. I had the beginnings of a hard-on and we both knew it. "You're cute." She said while eyeing my ever-growing dick. I told her that she wasn't so bad herself.
The next thing I knew, she came over to me and wrapped her arms around me. She pressed her pussy against my hard dick. "I haven't had a good fuck in weeks." She said. I didn't reply. I just lowered my shorts and exposed my prick. She grabbed it and started to massage it. After several euphoric minutes, I removed her hand, lowered her shorts, positioned her on the countertop, and began to eat the sweetest tasting pussy I have ever had. As she moaned and wriggled on the counter, she removed her shirt. I stared at her firm, small, dark breasts. Periodically, I would reach up and pinch her erect nipples.
Finally, after twenty minutes of oral joy, she exploded like a firecracker. Her juices soaked my face. "In me!" she moaned, as he guided my still hard dick into her cunt while licking her juices off my face. I got to be honest, she was so hot that it only took a couple of minutes of slamming my dick into her before I came. I pulled out just before I spewed. I blew my load all over her black, firm belly. Without hesitation, she scooped it up with her fingers and licked them clean.
Later, she left with my beer and a satisfied look. I never saw her again. Hell, I never got her name!
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127. Woman's Story: Italian Stallion (10/2/02)
It was my first day in Italy. I don't speak the language, but I met one guy who knew a few words of English. After about a week, we were spending everyday together. One night we went to this field, it was like a stadium. We sat on the bleachers and started to French kiss-he kept asking me something in Italian but I had no idea what it was so I just said, OK?
All of a sudden he laid me down and started grabbing my breasts, softly and then harder. He climbed on top of me and pulled out his penis, unzipped my pants, it happened so quickly, all I remember is this large cock in my wet pussy, it was the best sex I've ever had.
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71. Woman's Story: Handy Man (7/1/01)
My apartment complex has its own maintenance crew, and of course, seeing as how the place is pretty dilapidated, I call every once in a while. When my toilet got clogged up, and I called over to the maintenance office, and they sent a guy over. I was pretty upset about the toilet, but when I answered the door, the guy made me feel all better. He was the hottest black guy I'd ever seen. He had dreads and blue eyes (A definite turn on).
He came in and snaked the toilet. I offered him some water, which he accepted and we stood in my kitchen for a while and talked. After a while, he put the glass in the sink and said he thought he should get going. But, I stopped him. I don't know, I'm usually really quiet and all, but I couldn't help myself, he was so hot! I said: "I just wanted to tell you I think you're really good looking." He said: "I think you are, too." So, from this, I walked a little closer to him, because I thought we were thinking the same thing. When I got right up to him, he put his hand around my waist and pulled me to him. I was wearing a button down shirt, and he put his hand up the back and undid my bra. I was getting really wet, when he took off my shirt and then started to suck my nipples. I couldn't believe it was happening!
So, after a bit, I undid his pants and started to give him a hand job. I'd never fucked a black guy before, but always wanted to. I told him so, and that really turned him on, and he picked me up, put me on the counter top, and lifted up my skirt. He pulled my panties down, and started to eat me out. It was incredible. He had a little stubble, and it was awesome. I started to feel like I was gonna cum, when he pulled my lower body towards the end of the counter, and braced himself against the wall. He started to fuck me, slow at first, then really hard, which is just the way I like it. He was bareback, and that felt incredible, too. His cock was enormous, and it hurt a little, but I was really into it. So, we fucked there, me with my legs around his waist, and him still in his uniform. He pulled out and shot his wad on my tits, which he seemed to get off on. After a while, he got a beep for another apartment and had to go. I can't wait for something else to break here.
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77. Man's Story: Money Well Spent (9/7/01)
This rather good looking woman was walking up to people at the local self-serve gas station next to the interstate asking everyone for "gas money". As she approached me, she told me her sob story of running away from an abusive relationship and she stated that she was totally broke and "depending upon the kindness of strangers". I asked her how well it was working and she told me that it was pretty bad.
I offered her a business opportunity. I had $50 set aside for sex and I was willing to give it to her if she fulfilled my need. She laughed, and said she wasn't that type of girl but thanked me for the offer and proceeded to ask others at the station for cash. As I finished pumping my tank full, I noticed that she was still penniless and asking the last few people around for cash. This time as she approached again, she opened by saying. "why does a guy like you have to buy it anyway?" I told her that I didn't like to feel obligated to a woman and that I really just like anonymous recreational sex. She said "Ok what if I say yes....will you give me ride back here?" I told her " better than that....we can do it here."
She was somewhat reluctant, but a few minutes later, I unlocked and followed her through the outside men's rest room door and had some of the hottest sex ever. She wore a knee length dress and white sheer to waist stockings, complete with g-string thong panties underneath and a pair of 1 1/2" conservative black heels. I lifted her skirt, rolled her hose to her mid-thigh and untied her thong panties on one side. I first probed with my finger finding, she was tight, wet and had one of the finest shaved bushes I've ever seen. We did it doggy style with her holding onto the sink watching me in the mirror as I pumped her tight pussy full of my cock. I sprayed sperm deep into her pussy as I probed her asshole with my index finger of one hand and rubbed her clit with the other. She stayed in position as I jacked myself hard again and pumped her poop-chute full of my scummy load too. It was heaven and the best $50 I've ever spent. Ahh the kindness of strangers.
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13. Man's Story: Walk in the park
I met a girl on the net from Florida. When she came to visit we took a walk in the park. Lying on the grass literally 10 feet from the path in the middle of the afternoon she said she wanted to see my dick. I said ok meanwhile hoping no cops would drive by. Plenty of people on their lunch hour were walking by though. So she slid down unzipped my pants a little and looked at it. Soon she had her mouth on it and proceeded to give a great blowjob. I was pretty nervous as people were definitely noticing the action but I said what the hell. I came pretty quick and as I finished we looked up and across the pond a group of Mexican guys were standing there laughing and checking us out, we both started cracking up and everybody had a good laugh and I got a wild blowjob.
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18. Man's Story: Independence Day
It was the 4th of July. My girlfriend and I were at a park with some friends watching the fireworks. She made some motions to me that she wanted more than to just watch fireworks. Slowly we made it to a nearby swing set by the woods at the end of the park. I sat on the swings and she placed herself on top of me. We proceeded to sway back and forth until I knew I was close. I let her know that I was gonna cum but she refused to get off of me. She kept mushing her clit against me. I howled in excitement as I shot up inside of her, and the pleasure was doubled when I felt her squirt all over my shaft. Needless to say, the fireworks had nothing on us.
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47. Man's Story: Rollerblader
My girlfriend and I went rollerblading on a bike path that runs through town but is pretty wooded. I don't know what it is about skating, maybe seeing her in a sports bra and sweaty and getting to look at her ass while skating behind her, but I was horny! So we took a break at a small wood bridge running over this little creek. We began playing around and I was standing behind her and had my hands up her shirt and down her panties. We decide to go for it, I slid her shorts to her ankles and off of one foot and moved her panties to one side and pulled out my dick. She had me put it in her from the back with her legs spread apart. We were still standing and on our skates as I pumped her. We were only like a block and a half from a school and we could hear cars and kids a ways away, but we kept going. I came and we fixed ourselves and skated off. Only about a minute later we crossed some kids walking home on the path. Boy, would they have gotten a show.
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107. Man's Story: Sunday in the Park
A girl I was dating several years back (and who I still see off and on) had a secret side to her personality. Just meeting her you'd think she was all apple pie and ice-cream... and real good girl. But, I discovered something else entirely. We were fooling around in her parent's living room one time, just groping and kissing like most teen-agers do, when I told her about a fantasy of mine. I suggested that she dress up in the shortest skirt she owned, a skimpy tube-top and heels... so that she had a dirty-girl look... and we'd drive down to the public park on the lake and have sex anywhere and everywhere possible. She loved the idea and rushed off to get ready.
I waited in the car for her, and when she stepped out of the house I nearly came in my pants. She looked dirty alright, but she couldn't shake the innocence and was the cutest looking slut of all time. We drove for about 10 minutes, the whole time with my right hand rubbing her bare thighs and her left hand stroking my cock. We walked quickly to the most secluded spot of the park and I sat down on a bench. She was facing me and lifted the hem or her skirt... she wasn't wearing panties. I wanted to fuck her so hard. She straddled me just then and sank down onto my cock. She bounced and swayed and lifted her top so that I could suck on her little nipples. We were loving every second of it, totally oblivious to the rest of the world. Just when I was about to cum I looked over her left shoulder to see a small group of young couples (three pairs of 15 year olds) watching her ride me from behind a row of short bushes. I smiled at them and lifted the back of my lover's skirt so that they could watch my cock sliding in and out. The girls all dropped their jaws while the guys just stared in disbelief. I must have cum for a good 40 seconds watching them enjoy the show... and my girl never knew what was going on behind her.
Hell, if she had known I probably would of have a hard time convincing her to do the same thing in three more parks that night. Then again, she might have loved the idea just as much as me.
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249. Woman's Story: Rub a Dub Dub (8/3/04)
My boyfriend and I used to just fool around on his bed - no sex. One day I went over to his house and he told me he was gonna take a bath.
While he was in the bathroom, he asked me to pass him a towel. I did just that and as I was leaving the bathroom, he pulled me into the tub and started kissing me. I took off my drenched dress and he fingered me.
Soon we were fucking in the tub. The water splashed all over the floor and we went out of the bathroom and continued fucking on the bed.
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240. Woman's Story: Hot Tub Hottie (7/17/04)
My work was hosting an end of the busy season party in a condo at a ski resort. All night long a co-worker of mine kept brushing against my ass.
Later that night he asked me to go to the hot tub with him. I didn't bring my bathing suit with me so I just went in with my bra and panties on. They didn't stay on long before he pulled me to him and pulled them off.
He started to finger me as I sat on his lap and sucked his earlobe. I reached down and started jerking him off. I came immediately. Then he sat me on the edge of the hot tub and fingered and sucked my clit at the same time. I had one of the best orgasms of my life.
It was now his turn. I started blowing him but it was too much for him to handle. He grabbed me and pulled me down on him and he went into me. We started fucking so hard that the water was splashing and making a lot of noise. It made it more exciting knowing that all the rest of our co-workers could come around the corner at any time and catch us.
He grabbed my ass as he thrust and kept telling me how I had a nice tight pussy. I came so hard that I dug my nails in his back. He loved it because he came right after. Later that night we had sex again, but this time on a top bunk above a sleeping co-worker.
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218. Man's Story: Reunion Hard-On (5/1/04)
Me and my girlfriend were on our way to my parent's house for a family reunion. On the way to the party, she started stroking my dick in the car. I told her that I did not want to be horny at my parent's house, but she kept playing with me. When we got to there I was rock hard and you could see it pretty clearly. The party hadn't started yet, so I went straight to the upstairs bathroom as soon as we arrived. My girl came with me. I started up the shower so no one could hear what was going on. We both took off our clothes and got in and started fucking as fast as possible. The slapping of our wet bodies was great and I came more than I ever had.
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213. Man's Story: Pleasure Cruise (3/31/04)
The last night of an Alaskan cruise, my friend Chris and I decided to go to the spa at about 12:30. In the spa was a petite older woman and her friend. We began to talk and before I know it, me and this random woman begin fooling around with each other under the water. My buddy and her friend knew what was going so decided to leave us alone. She grabbed my cock and stroked it until I was hard, and then guided me to her tight little pussy. Ill never forget looking at her moaning face and the northern lights in the background. It was a sight I'll never forget. We continued fucking wildly, thinking there wasn't anyone around. Then we heard voices from a distance, and saw there were about 15 people playing ping-pong not far from us. Still we didn't seem to mind. We continued to go at for another 30 minutes with people looking over occasionally that had to know what was going on. By this time its like 1:45 a.m. and all of a sudden we see the assistant captain walk up to the spa and ask us to leave. He threatened to kick us off the ship at the next stop but luckily it was the last night so he just let us go to our rooms. So we went back to my room and continued where we left off in the spa. Later that morning, we both took flights back home and haven't looked back since.
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200. Woman's Story: Steamy Shower (1/18/04)
Once after a long day at work, I just wanted to take a shower and rest for the evening. My boyfriend was away on a business trip and scheduled to return the next day. I really missed him and had been getting hornier all week. I got in the shower and just as it got really steamy, my boyfriend surprised me by getting in the shower. He told me he found an earlier flight, while he kissed my neck. I rubbed my hands in his hair, like I know he loves, and felt his dick getting hard against my thigh. He moved down and was teasing my nipples with his tongue while I stroked his cock. I couldn't take it anymore and told him I needed him in me. He pushed me against the wall and pressed his rock-hard cock towards my wet pussy slowly. I forced him into me and he fucked me so hard he came in two minutes. Knowing I hadn't come yet, he got on his knees and licked my clit to a mind shattering orgasm. He held me up while my body shook and told me he loved me.
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1. Woman's Story: The Tubs
I went to a hot tub last week with a guy I'd met in high school. He is 6'6", Indian, and beautiful; we have a great sexual energy between us. We got together for a walk and ended up renting a hot tub for an hour. Of course, we fooled around and ended up fucking. I mean, how could I resist? There were two things that stood out for me, aside from his lanky brown body and super cock:
First, the fact that he made me cum four times in about 1/2 an hour (it's never happened to me). Men and women have tried to get me off a ton of times in one session, but my body hasn't been ready for it. He was successful.
Second, I'll never forget being in 69 position with him on top (another first for me). The head of his cock was in my mouth, and he was bent miraculously backward. His asshole was puckering in and out in front of my eyes! I'd never had such a close encounter with an asshole! All I could do was stare at it while it moved.
Before he came, he got off me and masturbated onto my tits. I loved that, too! Watching a guy stroking himself is very cool, and warm cum is nice to rub around.
After we washed off, the hot tub attendant knocked and told us our hour was almost up. Just in time. I definitely plan on getting together with my Indian friend again.
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32. Woman's Story: Let's go swimming
We came close to being caught a few times, but our sex life was nothing daring, except this day. We were swimming in the local swimming pool with my kids happily swimming around with their friends and the pool quite packed because of the severe heat. I wrapped my legs around his front and floated on my back to relax. His hand gently started massaging me, and the next thing he had pulled my swimsuit to the side and was inside me! He walked up and down the pool with me attached, with the water on my back pushing me onto him. I constantly looked around to see if anybody was looking but everybody was doing their own thing. This continued with us for about 10mins, until finally he took me into neck-deep water, pulled me to him, buried his face in my neck as he groaned, and I felt his heat inside of me. It was fantastic.
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60. Man's Story: Pool Play
My girlfriend and I have been dating for about four months but all we've ever done was make out and fondle each other. We aren't usually very crazy but we had a little to drink and we decided to go skinny dipping with a couple of people. So we found ourselves sneaking into the pool at 2 am in the morning with 2 other guys and 1 other girl. It was really weird taking off all my clothes in front of other people. My girlfriend shyly removed her bra and panties and it was actually the first time I saw her completely naked and she was gorgeous. Everyone else actually got naked and we were all checking each other out. All the guys were getting erect, and I saw one guy had an enormous penis while mine is about seven, and the other guy was average, and both my girlfriend and the other girl rubbed their breasts and jumped in first. I was so turned on. I made out with my girl in the pool and put my dick in her pussy and slowly rubbed her clit and then fucked her. I knew all the other people in the pool were watching but it was dark, and I came inside of her, and she also came later.
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94. Man's Story: After a Swim
We had been swimming, went back to her place and did the make out thing, dry humping, and then full undress. I'd eaten her to one or two climaxes, and she was alternately sucking me and letting me tit fuck her. We eventually got to me behind her, humping her crack and fingering her cunt. She was very slippery, and I was gushing pre-cum. I'm sliding back and forth and about the 15th stroke...I'm inside her pussy. We start rocking and humping and she's alternately telling me to fuck her, and not to cum (no protection). I started telling her I'd only do it (not cum in her) if she'd suck me off. She did and I spurted in her mouth, on her tits and ate her out again.
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146. Man's Story: Give Him a Hand
My sexy wife whom I am very fortunate to have loves to give me handjobs. She loves to see the look of pure delight on my face, apparently, and I of course do not mind at all. Her blowjobs, also, are heavenly. My favorite time when these two mixed was when we had just come in from swimming at the pool in our apartment complex. We were both cold from the water and the cool air, but we were both horny as hell (we had been seriously messing around in the pool), and we needed it bad. She took off both of our clothes, and her breasts were firm and perky from the cold, which turned me on even more. She sat down on the couch and stood me in front of her and took my member in her mouth. Oh god! My dick was so cold, and yet her mouth was so very warm, it was hot. I felt as though my third leg was being pulled through wet, warm silk. She sucked me until I almost came, then she laid down on her back on the floor, pulled me on top of her on my hands and knees, soaked her hands with baby oil, and gave me the best handjob she had ever done. I came all over her chest and her face. I took me a while to wind down from that one, and I will remember it until the day I die.
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Hi ther Panhinda,
Ref. your "Picture yourself in 1940 England in a small RAF airfield with few ......
This is exactly an Ex-RCAF/SLAF pilot told me..good old days they got trained on (Boulton Paul) Balliol's and that old lady could have given a Zlins run for the money...day or night.
Which got me to check on modern props...and came across the Tucano.
I rest my case ....
Hi constantin demiris,
Ref your comment about range, I don't think its relevant, as such prop aircraft could be based near the Kili and Vanni areas. They don't have to fly from CMB ( will be too late arrive anyway). You think during the olden days RCAF/SLAF used drop tanks to fly their props trans island flights? Don't think so. While we are on the topic the Spitfires had a combat range of 395 miles...more than enough for SL context (now don't get me wrong here friend, I'm not suggesting we use Spitfires).
One more thing, not all Luftwaffes birds stayed around for dog fights...after dropping their loads, they flew like hell towards Germany...
Hi intelattack,
Just ignore and use your scroll bar to go past this crap being posted....
Can someone please ban this animal from this forum?
I have said this many times at LNP, eelamists are very vulgar by birth. Proper civilized behaviour is unheard of in their Naadu heritage. Since this post of mine is just to enlighten the reader here about the importance of getting rid of Mr Brown, I will not elaborate any further.
But this is the reason, I always say "As Vulgar as an Eelamist".
Dear DW and all other meaningful contributors.....please ignore all RETARDS....
I suspect the INGOs supply foreign mercenaries for LTTE under cover of their employment and work permits!
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