31 soldiers were killed in fierce fighting at Chilawatte (Silawatte) in the general areas Mulaitivu on Saturday. 22 of those killed went MIA while the bodies of another 9 were recovered by 59 division troops. So far Tigers have recovered 17 bodies while another few are lying inside a minefield. Casualties to the Tigers is unknown.
A forward operating platoon, comprised of 11GW and 14 VIR troops, met with this unfortunate demise after having successfully crossed an LTTE bund cum ditch. The platoon CO tried to push on further but was met with stiff resistance in an exposed area with a large Villu capable of drowning even a bull. With the 59 less than 5km south, the LTTE bastion of Mulaitivu is now being heavily defended by an LTTE reserve unit reinforced from Muhamalai-Nagarkovil by sea.
In the northwestern flank, troops from the 58 Division are now 2.5km from Paranthan junction. The 57 is progressing steadily, but is taking time due to heavy trappings in the Kilinochchi build-up area. 11 soldiers dies recently when a booby trapped house was razed to the ground.
Meanwhile LTTE has resumed firing heavy volumes of mortars and artillery. Hevay fire was experienced at Chilawatta as well. One LTTE trawler and one ship chartered by the LTTE have unloaded their cargo for two successive days off the Mulaitivu coast. The ship is said to be of Canadian origin and probably owned by the LTTE that had set sail from Indonesia while the trawler had come from south India.
The large vessel has brought mortars and artillery while the trawler has brought in large quantities of medical supplies to treat wounded LTTE cadres as well as torch batteries etc. Powerful anesthetics and antibiotics used in the treatment of gunshot wounds was in short supply for the LTTE until now.
Monday, December 29, 2008
31 SLA KIA in Chilawatte
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 380 of 380Thanks Infinity for your educated comments. It relieved my mind. But I am not happy with the way you said "my hope for an economic collapse" I don't hope it, I fear one. So I guess your opinion is that there is likelihood of an economic collapse but SLDF are charged enough to win this conventional war under any circumstance.
the only way a leader can be judged is by how he inspires, safeguards & leads his people to achieve prosperity against impossible odds. (while safeguarding their self respect, not by losing it).
victory by mowing down all opposition good or bad in whichever way is neccesary. in this case the LTTE, has to be exterminated with extreme prejudice. this mahinda & sarath does almost with clinical presicion. therefore mahinda must be the best leader we had so far after independence.
let's cut the crap about ethnic harmony, assimilation & the associated BS.
let's face facts. if the sinhala who have a UN recognized 2,500 year history are made to feel that they are given a raw deal or blackmailed by brit imported shit to deprive them of their only land, all ethnic harmony will fly outa the window. all the minorities will suffer with the majority as a result. parasites like NGO's will breed outa control giving money, heavy machinery etc. to prolong the conflict & earn $. they directly help divide the land threatening the majority. once these treacherous acts are encouraged by cowardly treaties in a few years the damage will be irreversible & fatal. we will die as a cowardly race with no guts or honour. this is what was happening exactly. mahinda is putting a full stop to all this at a time when the patriotic sinhala had almost given up hope of ever regaining our country.
so why blame the sinhala for safeguarding their world recognized sovereign rights against an uncivilised terror outfit that are out to get 2 homelands? one in sri lanka (the fake one). the real one in nadu later when they establish eelam & grow the guts to ask for it.
first thing's first.
1) make the majority happy.
2) the majority will look after the minority.
3) the minorities have the right to request or peacefully demonstrate for any reasonable demands.
4) nobody ever dream about police powers or land rights. the key words are ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT & PROSPERITY.
EVEN KARUNA WHO HAS PERSONALLY LEAD LTTE cadres in the thick of battle HAS REALISED THIS.
why should anyone else think otherwise?
isurujosh, no, on the contrary I expect a long-term economic upswing once the LTTE is defeated in a few months, of course moderated short-term by the currently generally poor international economic climate.
You are correct Sam P.
Wijepala,
Would you mind starting a blog of your own ? you know what , anyone can start a blog for free :-)
( Just take the example from Mahen and Peter who have started there own blogs. )
This is supposed to be a defence blog and not specifically a history blog.
/“Not only would we inflict heavy losses to the army but we will win back lost territory", proclaimed Bhanu in the presence of Prabhakaran/ (Dec 28, 08)
Just in case if any one needs more punnakku..
/We are aware that the Sri Lanka Army (SLA) has amassed military hardware close to Manalaru in preparation for a major offensive towards Mullaitivu area. Consequence of this offensive will be a catastrophic bloodbath across Sri Lanka," said Mr. Thamilchelvan,/ (Mar 05, 07)
/"Signs of desperation are evident in Sri Lanka’s defense hierarchy as the Sri Lanka Army (SLA) divisions stay bogged down within a few square kilometers in Mannaar, unable to advance for nearly a year. While SLA commanders are on foreign jaunts to build hurried military alliances, Colombo has also suffered politically with its racist policies in governance exposed internationally, and has earned opprobrium from international community for the escalating human rights violations," said B. Nadesan/ (Mar 08, 08)
Non-Punnakku..
/We face this situation alone because, although 80 million Tamils live all around the globe, the Tamils do not have a country of their own./ (Prabakaran's 2007 Heroes' Day Speech)
BTW, any one knows what happened to Irasiah Ilanthirayan?
Is there going to be any propganda news to hide the Seylan Bank collapse. Maybe caputuring some small town etc. We desperately need this at the moment as Mahindha is required to carry on his destruction of Sri Lanka.
Moshe do love the LTTE my god. I mean Minh Bank, Minh Exchange etc. I guess you are all along a LTTE lover.
"pro-sri lankan entities MUST takeover 99.9% of the sri lankan economy one day. that is my dream for SL."
navindran
what has mahinda got 2 do with seylan?? it is lalith kothalawala who has pulled out money from golden key 2 nurture his 200 odd companies. he doesnt have capitol so he uses public money.
good thing BOC took over.bcos of government many people r going to be saved. hope the people responsible wil get punished!
Navindran,
There is no issue with the Seylan Bank. It will not collapse.
Very soon, we will see who the Seylan Bank buyer is. Until then, it'll be under Central Bank of Sri Lanka and BOC. So the government security is there for the depositors.
This whole issue came, since Kotalawala decided to divest Ceylinco Stake on Seylan to honour debts of Golden Key. Not due to a liquidity crisis.
Same fate awaits for SF and GR
Guys,
When i see the video of the attack on kelanitissa what i understand is that our equipment including interceptors are too powerful & modern for the old fasioned Zlins.Our jets are too fast to take down those slow ones.the remedy is to follow the policy described by DW,which is using small groups of highly dedicated and skilled persons (with small yet suitable equipment).
"small groups of highly dedicated men can take on guerrillas once considered impossible to beat"-Navys crusial innovation haled a success-DW.
For this we can use aan air craft similar to the one described in AIr Force Blog called EMB-314 Super Tucano.If it reaped good results in SLA and SLN why wouldnt it work for SLAF.What do you ppl think??
Observer,
/This is supposed to be a defence blog and not specifically a history blog./
Mate, this bloke's head is wrongly wired. I don't call what He/she is writing "history". Must have been a "bombai-motai karaya" as he spins his own history faster than "bombai-motai".
According to this asshole,
1. Sinhalese have no history.
2. Sri Lanka have no history
3. "Tamil" is "sweet"
4. Sinhala culture nothing but a mutation of supreme Tamil culture.
5. Sinhalese must learn how to respect and live with Tamils at any cost - otherwise there will be war.
Only a MF can say the above in public. When cornered on his own history making, this prick says "prove it".
killert ..
where did u see the vid ? .
Good news . Paranthan is down ..
Ali,
Here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFjDg34iiTE
What do you mean by >> Good news . Paranthan is down ..>> ??
Ali,
I hope it is Periya paranthan and Are you sure they have reached the town.
saman ..
To be honest I think all these arguments about who the sinhala is and is no and what the tamil is an is not is rubbish . Who cares . this is not a sinhala war against tamil it is a Sri Lankan war against terrorists . period .
There are many muslims burgers malays and tamils fighting on the side of Sri Lanka .
I dont read any of the stuff wijepala or any other write on the subject as it is no concern of mine . They can keep amusing them selves with showing others how erudite they are on matters of little relevance .. lol
Yes . it is the main town . a few mins back
Ali said...
>>>>To be honest I think all these arguments about who the sinhala is and is no and what the tamil is an is not is rubbish . Who cares . this is not a sinhala war against tamil it is a Sri Lankan war against terrorists . period .
There are many muslims burgers malays and tamils fighting on the side of Sri Lanka . >>>
Ali Brother, I am with you. Very valid point.
The storming of bunds has cost the SLA dear. This is especially not good when there were other means to whittle down the LTTE. Strangely, Defencenet has been deleting my posts on the topic, which suggests it is not as objective as it claims to be.
Velluprabhakaran,
I would put simply,
SAFEGUARD and GUARANTEE EVERY INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHTS.
Rest would fall into place. in such a society, because INDIVIDUAL is the smallest MINORITY (race, religion, history, pedigree has nothing to do with it).
Almost all progressive countries practice this. But before we create a new Sri Lankan order we must crush "collective" unfair demads of Ealam tamils. Because one can not run a country when idiotic self-made bush historians
try to establish "Tamil" is sweet and the majorities' culture is a mutation of the minorities culture.
It is not identity that is driving this conflict.
It began with Indian support of the LTTE to undermine Sri Lanka. Without Indian support the LTTE could never have posed a military threat to Sri Lanka.
This line of thinking is something a historian of the distant past cannot quite understand, as it is in the realm of geo-political strategy, however wrong headed it was on Mrs. Gandhi's part.
Today, India is facing the same problems it created for Sri Lanka. Thus, it is likely that it has learnt its lesson. (Do not bet on that though--far better to be prepared for any Indian action.)
Thanks for the vid link killer T . Yup that is one slow plane .
I am not sure if a few of our MI24/35 could track it down . I think they have been shot down that way before around eps . They would need the right avionics though
Ali,
Yes, you may have observed that I do not respond directly to his crap. However, we must be careful not to believe when LTTE/Terrorism is crushed all will be fine. As long as the seperatism and Tamil special treatment agenda live Sri Lanka is doomed.
I agree with you that history has little or no relevance in finding a good solution. Read my post to VeluPrabahakaran.
Ali,
How did you get the news of fall of Paranthan. I am searching in defence.lk there is no news.
Saman ..
agree . I dont even read this stuff . They are too long winded for me anyway .
I see many people like this arguing the genes are this and that and mahawansa is this and that . They are missing the point . we all here and there is no denying that . we are all citizens and there is no denying that . and As long as one is for the state and not a criminal they should enjoy same rights . period .
Most wars are economic in the end . and people who have something to lose dont like to take weapons and kill each other . cus there is a good chance they may get killed too . As long as we remember that and develop every portion of the island none of this crap should matter .
Hanas .
From a personal friend . back in SL . in the forces .
Gringo .
Without India's implicit support this war would have been un executable
Saman,
ur right. I am not against the individual rights of anybody. in fsct I am all for it. it's the LTTE that's against the individual rights even of tamils,leave alone the sinhala & muslims. we are dealing with a bunch of plain lunatics who are driven by a nightmare called eelam.
if u read my ealier postings the question about "how a boatload of north indian bandits could dislodge a cholan civilisation, outbreed them & make them our servants?" has no sane answer by any tamil historian even if they argue for centuries.
so it's OK to discuss history. BUT HISTORY HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THE PRESENT SITUATION FACED BY THE SINHALA.
most sinhala people still don realise the grave danger we were faced with as a nation just a couple of years ago. the gravity of the situation still defies most. it was touch & go for the sinhala as a nation. kaput. the final goal of the elamists were hair raising. cos once the east & north were gone the tamils could easily join the up country tamils to the east by bombing & scaring away a couple of thousands in sinhala villages in between. the way the arms were pouring in during the ceaefire LTTE would have certainly gone for it. in 2001 LTTE had less than five artillery according to most military men. these were captured from us. today we are faced with probbaly a hundred IMPORTED WITH SHELLS DURING THE CEASEFIRE.
now take israel as an example. although they are our friends - they are a headache to the arabs. israel was created in 1948 by western powers & today they are the only nuclear power in the region. if ranil hung around for another 3 years things would have been hell with LTTE getting international recognition.
actually all sinhala owe our entire future to the way mahinda tackled the military as well as the local & international political pressure.
Sujeewa
Remember our discussion around 12 hrs back.
"I remember somebody stating that the battle for Puthukkudiyiruppu would be the final one. (Was it you Sujeewa?) I doubt. We might fight this battle parallel with the one for Mula. (My guess. But will depend on the ground situation.)"
and
"But I thought it might join 59, so 59 can move up from west of Mulathivu lagoon ..."
And this has been posted in defence.lk just now.
"Troops of Sri Lanka Army 59 Division are in the process of making another shocking maneuver on the battlefield dragging the LTTE further closer to its certain defeat. Battlefield reports reveal that troops of 593 Brigade are steadily marching towards North of Mulliyawalai, entering into the jungle area lying between Puthukkudiyiruppu and Mulliyawali."
Hooray !!!
Defence.lk Reports;
Terrorists to face another shocking maneuver from Army 59 Div
Troops of Sri Lanka Army 59 Division are in the process of making another shocking maneuver on the battlefield dragging the LTTE further closer to its certain defeat. Battlefield reports reveal that troops of 593 Brigade are steadily marching towards North of Mulliyawalai, entering into the jungle area lying between Puthukkudiyiruppu and Mulliyawali.
Heavy clashes have been reported between Army infantrymen and the terrorists in the North of Mulliyawali from 9 AM to 2.30 PM on Monday (Dec 29) as troop extended their forward boundaries further northwards. Intercepted terrorist radio transmissions have confirmed heavy damages to the terrorists during these clashes.
Meanwhile, troops of 592 Brigade operating in the western flank of the 593 Brigade has made further headway on their flanking movement. Infantrymen of 12 Sri Lanka Light Infantry (12 SLLI) and the 14 Gajaba Regiment (14 GR) attacked terrorist groups in the North of Karurelankandal and Kulamuripu areas during daytime yesterday as they extended their forward boundaries further northwards of the A-34 road (Mankulam- Mullaittivu)
Troops 591 Brigade engaged in a northward move along the Alampil- Mullaittivu road confronted with a group of terrorists in the South of Chilawatte area around 9, last morning.
Army 59 Division is currently operating closest to the LTTE's main military bastion in Mullaittivu town. The strategic focus of the Wanni counter terrorist operation shifted from the Kilinochchi front to the Mullaittivu front once troops gained total control over the western shores of the island. At present, LTTE terrorists are mainly confined to a right-triangular area edged by the A-9 road from the West, A-34 road from the South and the northeastern coastal belt stretching from Mullaittivu to Nagarkovil.
Brilliant move by 59!
Hemantha,
Indeed mate. You called it right.
In fact I'm not worried who gets there first, but the most important target right now is Puthu and the adjacent shore line.
When they move close to Puthu, the pussycats in Oddu, Mula will feel the heat and Soone some tactical withdrawals will happen. However, this time, the debate of Mula or Kili will be left for Pussycat leadership.
Another beauty.
a healthy body attracts no maggots. a dying body does. when a person is dying & the immune system breaks down even the friendly bacteria can turn hostile.
so if we make ourselves militarily & internationally strong thru a solid leadership we could keep india at bay & get the respect of all countries.
the biggest mistake JR & the UNP did in 1983 was letting the riots go out of control & get condemned internationally. even after 25 years we are still paying heavily for this. why are leaders appointed? to stargaze while the country goes outa control? JR didn't even make a statement or address the nation for about one whole week. even cbk, wijetunga or premadasa would have done a much better job.
this situation was god send for RAW who probably had an indirect hand in the bombing of 13 soldiers.
indians fear the rise of educated moderate & liberal thinking sri lankans more than anyone else. it could give them a severe inferiority complex.
most indians still defecate on the streets of main cities. they are torn apart by caste, religion 7 class. pakistan & other neighbours are only slightly better. we are way ahead.
great news after break...
thanks defencewire
Sujeewa,
"Another beauty."
Yep! Now LTTE has to divert thousands of cadres to this front. Going to be a nightmare for them.
Wijayapala,
Thanks for clearing my misconcept.
Freetrade,
//Also Rana don't waste your energy with the imbecile Wijayapala//
Mate, Thanks for your concerns, I am not a thoroughbred history expert.
To my understanding, wijayapala make sense most of the time, if not all the time.
No body can con anybody in history, if we really wants to check something, we can do it. Only problem is time and time is precious for all of us.
I also like to listen/read meaningful and decent posts by anybody.
When I go through this blog with some times over 200 posts, I skip more than half of it not because they are wrong or useless but b'cause very common and nothing much to excite me.
Wijayapala, Sujeewa, Ananda, Moshe, Mayilrawana, CASC, Saman and of course Amma Gahai and lately Really cold writes exciting and extremely readble posts.
Hemantha, Vajira and Ninja give us valuable links for exciting news items.
Thanks to them, I read all, bro, that is it.
If the 59th is going for Puthukuduyirippu before we actually get oddusudan,wouldn't we be doing a mini-jayasikuru like move which will have the 59th sandwiched between the LTTE in mula and oddusudan ???
Guys
How much credible that fall of Paranthan Town News.
Can any one get inside of this news.
This originally provided by Ali through his close friend in forces.
opening up another front is fantastic BUT puthukkudirippu is VERY far away.
enter vietnam style war.
i presume this is about flanking LTTE defences around mula than attacking putuk.
anyway putuk is the ultimate, most secret LTTE area today. taking it is a definite priority over kili as we discussed b4 the kili operation began.
1 nagar,
2 muha,
3 kilali
4 kili
5 mula
6 para
7 putuk
8 oddusudan, etc., etc.
LTTE is in S*H*I*T. its cadre strength should be VERY ROUGHLY divided into 8 at each resistence point. something they rarely had to face in elam wars 1- 3!
once again the grand chess master ((c) mayil) timed it so well that LTTE faces this when its numbers are at the LOWEST. when its numbers were highest (mavilaru), there were no such attempts!
what a plan and an execution!!
to rev up the pressure even more, i want 53 and 55 to join the party too!!
LTTE will look to divert attention from sure defeat.
Guys,
I am not boasting here but as I remember, I am the one who suggestes that TF3 should turn north towards putthukudirrippu after clearing Oddusuddan and TF2 should go east towards Mulative while 59 takes south of Mulative.
I also suggested about month back after taking Paranthan 58 should be divided to two and attack north towards EP and also attack south towards Kili.
I thought it is logical.
I also gave an alternative to TF3 after clearing Oddusuddan to go east to Iranamadu to attack Kili from behind LTTP troops.
It seems SLDF is doing a mixture of all. May be grand chess master is 100 times better than me. LOL
Moshi,
//LTTE is in S*H*I*T. its cadre strength should be VERY ROUGHLY divided into 8 at each resistence point. something they rarely had to face in elam wars 1- 3!//
Bro, is there a mistake or my reading and interpretation is poor?
Please clarify.
VeluPrabhakaran,
I agree fully mate. I wrote in this blog some time ago - "giving in to seperatism by one way or another (including giving special treatment to Tamils, recognising right for self determination bullshit) is the begining of the end of Sinhala civilization and country called Sri Lanka". It is not rocket science considering 60mil tamils shiting on our head from south India.
We must create a Sri Lanka where good mix of all races throughout the land. If natural and mutual migration does not occure we must colonize all crownland in North untill this favourable balance of mix communities is achieved. I think Moshe and I are on the same page in that respect.
Brothers,
Please, we don't have to repeat urselves.
Seperate state within Sri Lanka is not something we need to discuss. We should discuss things only within unitary state of SL. United SL is not negotiable and that is Final.
Here is something interesting! Obtained from Goravani Jyothish Software.
Quick Readings for Vezapillai
Readings for the Rashi Chart Placements
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/SCOIN7/SUNIN7/
You are so preoccupied with the occult that married life becomes insignificant. You struggle to become a mystic and often succeeds in doing so.
/SCOIN7/MOONIN7/
Materialism, ego, and the desire for pleasure are so accentuated that you may become unfit for civilized society. There is a possibility that your mental balance may be disturbed.
/AQUIN10/MARSIN10/
When under the influence of Mars, you will be feverishly engaged in thoughtless activities which may create bad karma. You will crave for satisfaction of carnal passions and enter into many disreputable affairs.
/LIBIN6/MERCIN6/
Your educational career may be obstructed; loss of money and suffering from both physical and psychological problems.
/CANIN3/JUPIN3/
You earn money very well, have a happy family life, seem wise to others, give valued advice to others, keep company with religious persons.
/LIBIN6/VENIN6/
You may be a debauch with all the associated vices and diseases.
/LIBIN6/SATIN6/
Life becomes fairly smooth, with no innate physical problems or humiliating scandals. Past adverse influences are effectively sealed so that you only have to face the conditions which arise in this present birth.
/SAGIN8/RAHUIN8/
Rahu may produce inscrutable ailments difficult to diagnose. You will often be depressed.
/GEMIN2/KETUIN2/
You may be a bit wild; you make and spend money in unconventional ways, and you will be exceedingly idealistic in your family relationships.
Readings for those planets which move in the Bhava Chart
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/SCOIN6/SUNIN6/
There is animosity between you, your friends, and colleagues whom you treat as friends-but whom you secretly desires to overcome. You are miserly in expenditures, denying even the necessities, but outwardly you will make a show of generosity in entertaining friends. Your personal life will be materialistic and sexual, though you like to give the impression of morality. Such contradictions express themselves in psychological instability, and physical problems such as high blood pressure and nervous exhaustion.
/AQUIN9/MARSIN9/
This placement may be very destructive, disrupting your settled existence. Your father may die while you are young, and your family members may abandon you, causing much psychological pain. Your colleagues may not tend a helping hand. In spite of these hardships you will proceed with the development of your spiritual will. In the quest to establish your own social status and professional efficiency you will also learn the lesson of helping others. This urge to help others even while you yourself are in straitened circumstances will lead you very far on the spiritual path.
/CANIN2/JUPIN2/
You can be fabulously rich. Your demeanor-including gait, speech and social relationships-will be regal. Your spouse will be a source of much inspiration and marriage will enhance your status. You will enjoy profitable partnerships in business and trade. Towards the latter part of your life, your affluence reaches its peak.
/SAGIN7/RAHUIN7/
Rahu makes personal relationships very secret; the relationship between marriage partners is based primarily on mutual ambition. The relationship is very matter-of-fact.
/GEMIN1/KETUIN1/
Psychic but you may have an unusual physical appearance.
Navamsa Readings
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/LIBIN2/SUNIN2/
You are often devoid of learning and proper judgment; your demeanor is ungraceful, your speech is biting, eyesight defective, and you are both miserly and poor.
/CAPIN5/MOONIN5/
Your psychology acquires a rather coarse grain. You take delight in associating with unethical, anti-social, cruel, or selfish persons. Professionally, you may be well-placed, even important, but you indulge in self-centered activities which lead toward deeper layers of materialism and do not provide you with inner satisfaction. Your mind is confused and unhappy.
/LIBIN2/MARSIN2/
Mars is not favorable here. It destroys the harmony of family life and makes speech impolite, greedy, and confused. You will have to work very hard in order to acquire a satisfactory financial position. Your actions, especially regarding money matters, will often be misconstrued.
/TAUIN9/MERCIN9/
You become very conscious of personal responsibilities. Your activities evolve in such a way that you gradually begin to work selflessly.
/LEOIN12/JUPIN12/
Jupiter will make you religiously inclined, performing ritual observances. Your house may be a sanctuary for itinerant saints and powerful personalities. Your spouse will be of great assistance in your spiritual and philanthropic work.
/ARIIN8/VENIN8/
You may marry several times. You are unlucky, incur sudden severe losses, may become cruel, and do not get much satisfaction from married life. You may suffer from venereal disease or other diseases of the genito-urinary tract.
/ARIIN8/SATIN8/
Increased longevity, but educational career, happiness from children, physical health and conjugal relationships are very much afflicted.
/CANIN11/RAHUIN11/
You are contemplative and often depressed, but it also enables you to earn well, especially from overseas (including trade in illegal drugs if this combination is afflicted).
/CAPIN5/KETUIN5/
You will study yogic literature, engage in penance, and establish a new school of thought.
Hi Guys;
I did find out about Paranthan as well awhile ago. Major set back for the terrorists. I think full credit goes to the SLA as they have minimized civilian casualties and then ensured that they keep even LTTE killings to a minimum as they know that though LTTE cardres are fighting for VP they are not doing it willingly.
Also we cant forget that previous Gvts have not done a good job thus we are in unvisited terrortory since the LTTE terrorist were born in the 80s after GAY virus started spreading in the world.
I think the best is to now secure Paranthan and preject our 130mm Mortars towards Killali and EP.
We Capture EP and then we can surround the jungles of Mulltiv.
Once 59 Closes in on Mullativ they should solidify and then send our DPUs to attack LTTE from behind Killi and Mulla. But remember guys we are hunting for a hidden dog. So not easy if we distroy all thats left.
rana,
mate, what i said was,
1. LTTE's depleted cadre strength is divided into 8 seperate resistence points
2. they never had to face so many fronts in elam war 1, elam war 2 or elam war 3.
Hanas,
SLA has not taken Paranthan yet. TF1 is less than 2Km's away from Paranthan junction. defence.lk, too confirms this.
Heavy fighting is expected in the coming days. No doubt, LTTE will throw everything they got to defend Paranthan.
Confirmed that Paranthan has fallen by information I Rcvd. But will have to wait till tonight to hear it on news or in Defence.lk
Moshe,
Yep. Now we are into a mode where "invincible LTTEs" conventional warfare strength can be tested (if much left) and harvesting with good weather with us.
Only worry at the moment is that milking civilians out of danger is not progressing well. That means unmanageable exodus of civilians could be staged for infiltration.
But SLA will be setting the tone and mometum of the operation not the LTTE. That ia a blessing.
Guys;
We need to carpet bomb Killi as its a ghost town with only VPs Zombie terroists and criminals.
I dont think the Gvt need to worry about casualties to the terroists so much but should just roll over them.
I would love to see us breaking Killi supply lines from Iranamadu and Vaddakachchi and Vivamadu.
We need to bombard the roads so supply will be hampered and then send out DPUs immediately to cut off personal supplying ammo. Then we just have to wait so LTTE will have no ammo left and find out then the troops are just breathing down their neck.
59 should go along the coastal area.
We should cut off supply routes through the ocean and Navy will have to guard the eastern coast carefully now than ever and we can set up some close watch from the Pooneryn Point to see if there are any vessels approaching.
Also we need to set up some sea mines in case LTTE has the submarine capability.
I am sure LTTE is transporting weapons by a Sub and what do you guys think of it. Its obviously a hired sub but enough to carry ammo as much as required in one go.
And then there are other ships that have a deep hull to conceal medicine and food supplies. And they smuggle in heavy Weapons a night again from East by ship and Sub together.
it seems that Paranthan is in deed fallen. i got this info from my bro in the field. The clearing missions are said to be going on in the western part of the city after several counter attacks since this morning. However it is likely that it will not be announced until clearing missions are over and the risk of counter attacks are eliminated. Basically until it is safe to say SLA has captured it.
Moshi,
My most loved brother,
Look at this:
1. Kilinochchi
2. Mulative
3. Oddusuddan
4. Paranthan
LTTP is really fighting on 04 fronts not 08. Even Paranthan and Kili is now only a one front.
That is why we are gaining on other places.
They are really fighting on Muhamalei-Kilali axis, Paranthan-Kili front and little bit on Mulative.
Our forces and officers are still cannot match their senior cadres even today with superior numbers in everything at above fronts.
I am not condemming SLA but realistically determination of LTTP is much more than SLA. We have to admit to that fact.
What ever we say, our soldiers are doing a duty for salary with desire to live and pussycats are doing it for the dream with no desire to live. there is a hell of a difference between the two.
This problem is bit more complex, brother.
seems like TF1 is doin all the hard work..
they were headline news from mannar onwards!!
and whats happening in the KILI front? (57)
I think we need to garrison enough petrols in the captured areas where we can make sure it will not fall ever again and we dont have to strategically withdraw either.
I would love to see an additional army like the home guard taking control of these areas under the army. And have fortification which is absolutely strong but also absolutely weak. Meaning, strong when SLA is occupying and weak when someone who doesnt know about it occupies it. And make the SLA learn the tarrain well enough to push back any attack. And even if the Americans came SLA will be able to teach them a lesson.
We need to then build a FDL that has the capability to withstand any pressure and watch the terror criminals from a distance.
Then we need to some how split Kill and Mulltiv into two and trap huge numbers in Killi and eliminate them and thereby weakning the terror numbers and making a push back inpractical. I think Kill, Vishamadu and that area is easy to capture if 57 heads towards Vishnamadu while TF2 & 4 are diployed to protect 57 Division. Then we need to seperate Killi from Mullativ and attack Killi from behind and front.
Rana bro,
Yes, United SL is given.
Any special previleges for Tamils (becaused they held a gun to our heads over 30 years)is also not on.
They must get used to live with us as equal citizens. This argumant of traditional tamil homeland or treating tamil dominated areas differently needs to be dialuted. If the idea can not be dialuted then the areas must be colonized. That is the point.
Aparetly, Douglas Devananda asked Sri Lankan national anthum sung in tamil in Tamil dominating areas (Jaffna for a start- yes, being able to sing it by masses in Jafna - he may get some credit).
But that idea indicates to me his mind-set is not much different to Tamil super race idealogy.
GUYS its Simple
MAJORITY RULES,
MINORITY RIGHTS,
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.
Moshe it is true that the span of East coast is far. And it is not safe for one flank to go. We need another division to give backup inland like the 57th did for 58th. So either of TF3 or TF4 should get the cover. It is far better if TF3 can go from inland SKIPPING Oddu and get to Puthu while 593 covers the shore. That way Oddu will also be isolated from elsewhere easing the job for TF4 [another AOI].
Rana good on you mate if you conceived this idea. I think Ananda also did.
You know another beauty is in the cards. 58th may cut off A9 to the north of Para, breaking the lifeline between Kili and EPS.
All right pussycats, you asked for one eelam, now you have so many.
Saman Brother,
//They must get used to live with us as equal citizens.//
Please don't forget to tell it to our south (extremists) brothers too b'cause they are equaly at fault.
guys I m asking this again as last time no one replied.....
If the 59th is going for Puthukuduyirippu before we actually get oddusudan,wouldn't we be doing a mini-jayasikuru like move which will have the 59th sandwiched between the LTTE in mula and oddusudan ???
I hope some one here with more military related knowledge than me can shed some light on this.....
Rana
Mate you are saying that "What ever we say, our soldiers are doing a duty for salary with desire to live and pussycats are doing it for the dream with no desire to live. There is a hell of a difference between the two"
No offence but I don't really agree with your point mate. Yes it's true that our soldiers are getting paid monthly, but how can you explain people like Major Lalith and their sacrifices. Are they really doing it for money, I don't think so.
Also how do you explain LTTP dragging innocent civilians in to war by forcing them? We all have witnessed there were many incidents that LTTP soldiers were engaging in this war with fear and hoping for escape. Classic example that I can recall is that the Letter SLA was found in dead LTTP female carder.
Sujeewa,
Nice post, bro, please don't forget LTTP is too busy to attack flanks now.
You, Ananda and myself were not far away at anytime during last few months.
Our boyz are doing a fantastic job now, so any atrategy can work.
stll, Gen. SF is the master and I have my faith on him.
Guys have you got any information regarding the deployment of newly created Task Force 5?
TG,
If the 59th is going for Puthukuduyirippu before we actually get oddusudan,wouldn't we be doing a mini-jayasikuru like move which will have the 59th sandwiched between the LTTE in mula and oddusudan ???
I hope some one here with more military related knowledge than me can shed some light on this.....
Sadly the first one is void of any military exp, or first hand knowledge. But let me state my take on this. In fact I did partially answer.
What we need is some cover from inland. And that can come above Oddu. I am not sure how many pussycats are left in Oddu, and even so, if they feel Oddu is getting surrounded they will flee to Puthu. What we should do is to skip Oddu and soon take over Oddu-Puthu Rd. Then after the two divisions can shake hand and go forward parallel northwards.
The encirculated "AOI" of Oddu is left for TF4.
Rana;
What I mean by flanks is not the WWII type move which we used some time back. I should have used the word “front”. I am not going into detail on how they should operate as I am not a military man. But it looks very much that small team method covered by heavy fire and MI24 has been devastating for them in lesser density regions.
rana,
excellent points there, mate.
but let me prove my case.
the N-M-K line is taken as a single defence in news reports. but these are widely seperate by at least a couple of kilometres. given the LTTE's cadre strength, especially "elites", they cannot be present in both nagarkovil and muhamalai at the same time.
same with arti teams catering to these two fronts. of course one team can easily take them both consecutively, but then the effectiveness is halved. see the point. so if they want to target N, M & K with the same ferocity, they need 3 times the numbers.
recently SLA advanced specifically in kilali and muhamalai on seperate occassions. this proves the point that although these 3 are taken together in news, etc, they are 3 segregated fronts not easily supplemented by one another.
same with paranthan and kili, and mula and the new front.
when the LTTE area further shrinks, the distance between our fronts would reduce. on a map they look like 2 fronts are very close to and forms a single "avenue of approach" but on ground each front fights independantly. (as explained b4, if resources are allocated to the other close by front, the effectiveness reduces by half, etc.)
love to discuss with you.
BTW i remember when you mentioned a "cut across" move. to be honest, i though that would endanger our troops then.
still i recon the new move is to isolate mula than to reach puthuk.
saman,
"But SLA will be setting the tone and mometum of the operation not the LTTE."
yes 100%.
from mavil aru to kili.
LTTE is only firefighting!
Hey guys,
According to some of u guys Paranthan has fallen now.Earlier most people told that if Paranthan falls EPS and the upper parts will automatically fall.What do u guys think would happen?Do u think our forces(53/55) will be able to walk southwards with ease or would there be heavy fighting or the fall of Paranthan has no significant effect on EPS.Can someone(Moshey,Rana or any other expert) shed some light on this?
thank you
sujeewa,
"58th may cut off A9 to the north of Para, breaking the lifeline between Kili and EPS."
exactly.
the alternative is to transport terrorists, weapons, etc. through the lagoon which is not likely to happen!!!
like ananda mentioned yesterday, if a few bridges/culverts can be taken in this sector, things will be fantastic.
KillerT
We have a good chance but we need to not only capture Paranthan but also fortify Paranthan and the surrounding 5Km Radius as we need to move our Artilarry 130mm and 125mm and then send the MBRLs close to Ponneryn Nallur Stretch.... we have to keep a distance as even the terrorists have 130mm mortars.
Only reason why we still cant predict the fall of Killali is becos we cant take a chance and move out mortars and MBRLs to the areas where we will have the range.
However it will give a chance to our 53rd Division which is (at least used to be) the strongest division to push farward. But there again LTTE has made sure Land Mines etc are placed to prolong SLA advance in those areas as that is the only place where LTTE will have some control over the northern part.
killert,
mate, refer to my response to sujeewa. yes that is right about paranthan.
but the question about 53 and 55 is a tricky one.
i argued with sf-3 aka long ranger (an expert) on the possibility of this. we disagreed on some important issues here.
IMHO UNLESS we can neutralise LTTE heavy gun and certain (longer range) mortar positions south of EPS (there are other land areas other than paranthan), 53 and 55 cannot hold on to EPS and surrounds.
so don't expect anything SIGNIFICANTLY easier for 53 and 55 even after paranthan is taken.
but i may be wrong. if i'm wrong on this, i will be the happiest!!
killert, I think it is too early to say what 58's next target would be. some say they will come south to get kili from behind, some say they will go north to capture EPS and some say they will continue to go to east towards chundikulam.
it is interesting to see what LTTE's strategy is going to be in this case. Will they allow their Muhamale front to get sandwiched between 53, 55 and 58 and ask them to fight to death? or will they actually start to withdraw their heavy artillery positioned around EPS southwards and recall carders from muhamale to vishwamadu area?
the answer to this will decide 58's next target. if former happens 58 will go to EPS, and if latter happens 58 will go to east allowing 53 and 55 to capture EPS.
guys,
was watching another footage of the 1991 gulf war and noticed that iraqis used tall buildings to locate enemy movements.
can't we do the same at the front?
obviously not with buildings! something that can be easily put up/removed, low cost but VERY tall.
expect some probability of attack!
they need not be "close" to the front. a few kilometres from the front is OK with powerful telescopes.
6 metre bunds cannot hide maggots and their mobile firing positions on the other side.
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Good morning patriots.
Just wondering........
...... one mile from Killinochchi?
Maybe one mile from Mulaitheevu, or is it Paranthan?
One mile from Nibbana?
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the pilot acts on information gathered by himself! one day SLAF should be developed to this level in attacking LAND positions
"Aparetly, Douglas Devananda asked Sri Lankan national anthum sung in tamil in Tamil dominating areas (Jaffna for a start- yes, being able to sing it by masses in Jafna - he may get some credit)".
saman,
the answer to the above is not having many versions of the national anthem but making sinhala compulsory for all. nobody needs to master it. maybe upto grade 8 or something. like in malaysia.
it'll create a condusive future climate for "proper" assimilation. not just "paper" assimilation & integration theories which have zero value & create impractical endless discussions & reams of neewspaper articles.
the malaysian system & the malays are a very juicy plum for NGO's & associated troublemakers to castigate as a racist society. if their right all malays are racists. but which country has a better living standard & stability? sri lanka or malaysia? it's obvious that when the majority are in command things work.
almost all qualified high earning tamils I've come across in the south speak fair sinhala. so the common tamils are actually deprived of a basic right by tamil racists. the intelligent ones somehow learn what they know is important privately. also all the the tamils who can apeak sinhala are less racist than those who speak only tamil for obvious reasons.
All you know that we have lost Paranthan. They are now advancing towards Alimankada as well has established security at junction. I am not still sure whether they will advance towards Mulative from Paranthan but they are preparing towards Kilinochi.
It's true that we have to face a severe problem at Kilali and Mukamale within next few days.We will shortly strengthen Wishwamadu with carders from Nothern Front giving the peninsula to your 53 & 55.
We will fight hard at Wishwamadu to Pudukirippu before getting eliminated from the battle picture.
I hope no need of TF05 to front but only to defend cleared areas. because already 59 has in the middle of Pudukurippu Jangle and they will cut Oddusudan-Pudukurippu road in a short period and then we have to give up Oddusudan by next week. Further, TF 03 now only 04 KM away from out main AirStrip at Iranamdu East.
I kindly request you all to give some relief to Tamils as they had arms for 30 years as well they did not get any development because of our LTTE. You should give preferance to Mr. Devananda and Sangarie, because they are having the greatest hard life in the world to escape from us for many years.
that is my one and only request now.
This is our Last Will.
But I may write here to update you till they find me.
Nadesan
Moshe Dayan said...
[so don't expect anything SIGNIFICANTLY easier for 53 and 55 even after paranthan is taken.]
If Paranthan falls, and TF1 exploits this by advancing rapidly along A-35, it can cut off both EPS and the Jaffna front by swinging Northeast to reach the Lagoon, and then crossing the lagoon to occupy and fortify a strip of land between Chundikilam and Mulliyan. The sea border of the uncleared peninsula region can then be invested by the SL Navy.
Long before this cut-off and isolation scenario is completed, the LTTE will abandon all of their positions in the Jaffna peninsula and will withdraw either by sea or along the Norhhern strip of land, to a new Southern front erected across the A-35 road.
Most of their civilians are now camped along A-35. They will create their last earthbunds and frontlines to envelop route A-35, and this civilian human shield and will make their last stand there, as the SLA rolls up the LTTE from the West, Southwest and the South across the Vanni hinterland.
Defence.lk said that 59th Division entered into a Thick Jungle area which means that they will be able to advance along the Mulathivu lagoon very fast to surround Mullativu town area and reach Puthukkuduirippu.
guys,
Does the land rout to Jaffna go thru Paranthan?If it is cut cant we trap the teraas ?or can they use any other rout?
"was watching another footage of the 1991 gulf war and noticed that iraqis used tall buildings to locate enemy movements.
can't we do the same at the front?"
Cant we use that to protect our military bases(Katu,Anuradhapura,Vavniya HQ)???Tall towers with snipers?U see that kind of thing in IGI ,the game..
Nadesan said...
[I kindly request you all to give some relief to Tamils as they had arms for 30 years as well they did not get any development because of our LTTE.}
I don't know who this "Nadesan" actually is, but one thing our fellow Tamil citizens can be sure of in the coming years is this:
They will have absolutely equal RIGHTS and RESPONSIBILITIES (no more, no less) as Sri Lankan citizens, and a secure place in Sri Lanka.
At the conclusion of this unhappy war, we are all looking forward to mending relationships between our communities, and the dawning of a happier and more prosperous future for us all.
However, the battle is far from over, and it will be many years yet before all terrorist activity vanishes from Sri Lanka.
The lesson that Sri Lanka has learnt at great cost in lives, treasure and opportunity, must never be forgotten: IF WE DESIRE PEACE, WE MUST BE PREPARED FOR WAR!
Moshe,
[so don't expect anything SIGNIFICANTLY easier for 53 and 55 even after paranthan is taken. ]
But the EPS section is a devil's garden in SF3's words. So you have to take this into account as well. I dont think there are any more devil's gardens after EPS.
Hi Killar
two ways to Jafna still we hold. One from Alimankada few KM north of Paranthan and second is far east above Pudukurippu.
Nadesan
Is there road along the coast?
killert said..
[Is there road along the coast?]
Yes, there is a road along the narrow strip of land along the East coast of the Jaffna peninsula.
Fkn shit.according to the def.lk map theres no road.Sry for the ignorance.Then theyll gt supplies?
Hi Killer
Check your eyes, There is a road even in Defence.lk map via Chindikulam. Enlarge and check it.
But remember this is very narrow, difficult, old and SLAF may take it easily.
Nadesan
killert said...
[Fkn shit.according to the def.lk map theres no road.Sry for the ignorance.Then theyll gt supplies?]
On the defence.lk map, you have to enable the minor roads. I usually enable the lakes & tanks also. Then you can see the East coast road extemding from Nargarkovil to as far down as Mulaitivu.
You see this easily on Google Earth.
Regarding your concern about supplies, I posted a scenario of what the SLA should do if they breakthrough Paranthan: They would advance along A-35, swing northeast wards to the edge of the lagoon, cross the lagoon by boat and fortify a strip of land cutting off this road. Also, with artillery and mortars on the landward side, you can stop all traffic on this exposed road...no sweat!
But the LTTE are not fools, as soon as they see the SLA advancing a sufficient distance along A-35, they will abandon the entire Jaffna peninsula including EPS and the Jaffna front as untenable, and will withdraw southwards to a new frontline across A-35.
We must be prepared to destroy their heavy weapons with SLAF/MBRLs as they attempt to relocate them away from the Jaffna fronts. They have to do it by land, they have no way to do it by sea anymore.
hey guys,thes another thing(out of topic)...I saw in a game of WW2 hw the allies gt close air support.In that ,during the opertion a lot of Planes(small ones like the Zlins) are flyn around the battlefield.When there is a strong point lyk a MG post,a building etc a ground troop give the target by putting sm kind of a flare of a colour smoke bomb to that spot,Within 20 secs he target is destroyed.Cant we do hat with our Mi 24s.It can reduce casualties alot due to the disabling of MGs.Another thing abt the game is that when u play it u really feel the difficulty to get thru a du=ith cum bund fortified by MGs and cadres.Sm times it takes me a few lives to get through a bund.Unfortunately in the real world thers only one...
thanks Ananda-US,
ur plan seems to be good.But i think execution will be difficult.Firstly advancing along the A 35 wll be extremely slow and going thru the lagoon and cutting the rout will be equally difficult.But things will become better in time.I wish a swift advance along A35 like in A32.
How quickly everything changes...! We are getting heavy beating at Oddusudan.. Wondering whether to withdraw or not..
Nadesan,
Are you talking about 59 div?
The 10,000 bottles of ghee, donated for war heroes by Manel Mal Movement today morning. - News-
Thanks Manel Mal.. Sure we will eat and drink Ghee and fight.. Why we Worry about civilians.. They have to scarifies everything for LTTE..
Nadesan
Mhh.. 03 Fronts Killer.. 59D, TF04 & TF03.
This army and Defense maps are Too Old. I don't Know why they do not update..!
You see how long they will take to update Paranthan. Even Mullathive situation changed and TF 03 has come forward a long distance.. For example 3rd Airstrip captured before some days.. say still not updated..
killert,
I am generally against frontal attacks against prepared defences, and prefer flanking movements that cut-off and isolate heavily fortified fronts.
Also, reduced frontwidth always favors a weak defender, so the SLA, being more numerous, should always attempt to increase the frontwidth to thinout the defenders and use their greater numbers to expand the kill zone. That is the reason for the new front opened up by Div 59 from A-34.
Yes, the advance on A-35 will be slow, if we allow the defenders to sit remain there. But, if they have to relocate those cadre to meet urgent needs at other front, even fortified defences provide opportunities for capture by frontal attacks.
In short, it is a very dynamic chess game, with the moves guided by realtime intelligence on troop strengths and dispositions.
The winning creed is: Never do the expected obvious thing.
Sri Lanka plans to hold elections in the war-ravaged Tamil dominated north in 2009 after flushing out the LTTE from their strongholds and rehabilitating the displaced people, President Mahinda Rajapaksa has said. "We want to hold elections in northern Sri Lanka (Wanni) during 2009 after settling the displaced people," Rajapaksa said while talking to a group of Indian journalists here last night..
What a Plan...!!
ananda,
thanks for the comments.
moving along the a-35 beyond paranthan is a long call.
"If Paranthan falls, and TF1 exploits this by advancing rapidly along A-35, it can cut off both EPS and the Jaffna front by swinging Northeast to reach the Lagoon, and then crossing the lagoon to occupy and fortify a strip of land between Chundikilam and Mulliyan."
1. given the geography, having a fortification between Chundikilam and Mulliyan is very dangerous and will also be affected by LTTE long range guns/motars. isolation and VERY low mobility will also affect it.
the effectiveness of long range guns in this sector is very high due to the lack of mobility.
2. TF-1 was formerly 58. 58 kind of "diminished" into a task force due to the allocation of its strengths to other fronts. TF it is not likely that it will be called to move eastward past paranthan b4 57 gets kili.
3. there is a BIG land mass to the east of paranthan and kili. there are enough places for tigers to hide their long range guns/mortars and fire at only a few manuverable areas in the north trapping large number of infantrymen.
4. this is in addition to APMs, LMs, MMs, etc. but 53/55 can take these if arti/mortar rains stop.
5. these marshy lands are "crossable" for tiger cadres as they did in 2000. but SLA finds it almost impassable forcing them to the FEW roads exposing them.
The National Freedom Front Monday called for the banning of the LTTE and called into question a comment made by Tiger Leader Velupillai Prabahakaran that the Central Government of India had changed its stance and was ready to support them. NFF Leader Wimal Weerawansa said the party was concerned about the comment made by the LTTE leader in an interview with an English weekly. - NEWS-
Ananda USA
What are the impacts on banning LTTE?
cd,
"But the EPS section is a devil's garden in SF3's words. So you have to take this into account as well. I dont think there are any more devil's gardens after EPS."
correct.
the problem is getting 53/55 into EPS and retaining a presence there which will be very difficult unles......
this is mostly due to the terrain-related problems MULTIPLIED by arti/mortar fire.
although the neck is 8,000 metres wide, large SLA movements make concentrated moves making them vulnerable to ari/mortar attacks. a widely dispersed army loses its thrust AND exposes more to APMs.
e.g. APM and other mines density = 2 per sq metre (example only)
if SLA uses 500 sq meters for advance, the number of APMs, etc. = 2 * 500 = 1,000
if SLA uses 1,000 sq meters for advance, the number of APMs, etc. = 2 * 1,000 = 2,000
LTTE's effective cordination and correction "system" for arti/motar was explained by lr.
it sure is a devil's garden. those responsible for its fall must be cursed.
in defence.lk the photo showing a sign board of a post office that reads in sinhala (tamil and english - the three national languages of SL),
"thaepel karyalaya mulliyawalai"
proves the saying,
"no dying for OUR land, let them die for theirs"
"1. LTTE's depleted cadre strength is divided into 8 separate resistance points"
Have to agree with Moshe.
This can be observed by how the tigers RESPOND to our fronts. The proportion of their specialized units and field commanders used for each of the fronts are different.
Furthermore, I learn that they have an underutilized/unassigned units (together with lower level commanders), waiting to respond for the army to open up more fronts. But these units are getting depleted rapidly due to the army's assault. And the the coming months are going to be quite interesting.
The fall of Paranthan (and definitely EP) and the anticipated pincer movement, however will make the LTTE units manning the NK-M panic and withdraw.
However, for the armored units, the currently unfavorable weather conditions have created funnel points which makes these units susceptible to enemy arti. The only reason for the LTTE units manning NK-M axis not to withdraw quickly would be this. But this scenario will change rapidly when rains cease.
Guys a bit of a confusion here. To my knowledge we haven't secured Para yet. News [The Rupavahini video] stated that we are at very close distance to A9 to the north of Para, even that is not yet secured. Some have stated about capture of Para here, if you know any source for this pls be kind enough to share.
If we capture A9 from north of Para, that will be another big victory like Mankulam or Kokavil. Many said that capture of Para is the final notice for EPS. Strategically it is not necessarily Para, but if we capture any part of A9 between Para and EPS that is final notice.
Should we visit EPS directly after that? No, in fact NO. Isolated pussycat hotspots are no big issues. They can co-exist for a while w/o disturbing us very much. SLDF can shrink it little by little and can expect some surrenders and kill the rest. This theory is not new, in fact whole underlying point of the blinking AOI is this.
I am able to bare another 2 years of existence for isolated hotspots like EPS [even Kili]. And that gradual process will convince them that EELAM WILL NEVER BE. In simple words the war should continue for some time, until they really really understand that it is not beaten by chance but buried for ever. If we capture all land immediately they will still have hope and take up a break to revive.
Note that in this game emotions has no role to play.
Hang on JackAssPeter help is on the way...
Sujeewa K.,
Yep, we have not secured Paranthan as yet, but the battle is on (one doesn't say a city is secure until enemy arti and arti-motar is reduced substantially, and the soldiers can pretty much move about freely).
However, I disagree that the army should not go after the units manning NK-M. This front is manned by some of the elite units (including an anti-tank unit of the LTTE). These units have to be taken out if at all possible. If 55 and 58 is to move down, these LTTE units have to be taken out, and there is not better way to dislodge them than to make a pincer movement using 55, 58 and TF1. But as I said earlier, it is not the best time for armored units to operate.
Another thing is that, we should not give time for LTTE units to adapt and change their strategy. They have been living in the lap of luxury (at least their commanders!), and some of the young folks do not know anything about jungle warfare.
The harvesting to the max, together with the loss of the promised land will be devastating for most of the LTTE guys, and this should be done asap.
Ananda USA,
I totally agree with u.I also dont like sla using the conventional way of just marching towars those fortifid bunds.They do it in Killi ,Muha,Kilali and reaped nthn but heavy casualties.All these thrusts in the national front they adopted that(according to my knowledge) and never succeeded in breaking through.Though our Grand Chess Master claims that he uses new techniques he doesnt seem to use them in those ditch cum bunds..
Ananda,Moshey,Rana,
Do u think Para has fallen.I mean do u hav enough info to confirm it??
And guys what do u think about my previous comment about air support..????
Moshe said...
[1. given the geography, having a fortification between Chundikilam and Mulliyan is very dangerous and will also be affected by LTTE long range guns/motars. isolation and VERY low mobility will also affect it.]
As I said, IF & WHEN the SLA is able to breakthrough Paranthan and advance on A-35, the strip could be fortified, but won't really be needed as the LTTE will withdraw well before that is needed because their supply and reinforcement routes are threatened.
[TF-1 was formerly 58. 58 kind of "diminished" into a task force due to the allocation of its strengths to other fronts. TF it is not likely that it will be called to move eastward past paranthan b4 57 gets kili.]
If there is a breakthrough at Paranthan, I think TF1 will be reinforced with other units, perhaps from TF5, to exploit the opportunity. Part of that opportunity will be advance behind Kilinochchi and move into the BIG area you are talking about in greater strength.
[3. there is a BIG land mass to the east of paranthan and kili. there are enough places for tigers to hide their long range guns/mortars and fire at only a few manuverable areas in the north trapping large number of infantrymen.]
Yes there is a big landmass, and that is a problem being faced by the SLA even now at the Kilinochchi-Paranthan front. That has to be countered in the usual way with greater surveillance and targeting, SLAF attacks and counterfire. This problem will persist as long as the LTTE possesses heavy weapons and they are hidden. Increasingly, as the LTTE moves into areas with poor roads (soon A-35 will be the only good road available to them, and that should be degraded by bombing bridges as I had said earlier), the heavy artillery will become increasingly immobile, and more easily detected and destroyed, even if they are hidden in heavily wooded jungles. This threat will remain, and SLA will have to avoid exposing troops is easily targeted concentrations; or expose only after arranging to detect the source locations and direct counterfire.
[4. this is in addition to APMs, LMs, MMs, etc. but 53/55 can take these if arti/mortar rains stop.]
I hate the idea of asking 53/55 to attack against the N-M-K fortifications, until we create an exodus of cadres from there by flanking & cutting off strategies.
[5. these marshy lands are "crossable" for tiger cadres as they did in 2000. but SLA finds it almost impassable forcing them to the FEW roads exposing them.]
Yes, but the SLA has gotten to be quite good at this. I have written to the MOD/SLA about using cheap swamp buggies to move troops in swampy terrain. Again, artillery and mortar fire have to be suppressed with surveillance, gunships and counterfire. Actually, I think our troops are now equal to the LTTE cadre in coping with swamps.
killert said...
[Do u think Para has fallen.I mean do u hav enough info to confirm it??]
No, I don't think Paranthan has fallen. But, then, I don't have any non-public information.
Ananda USA and others,
I can see a small road marked on defence.lk map for EP connection. But cannot figure it out in google maps. According to that the smallest land connection is just about 30-40 meters wide, so I don't think there can be a road which can be used to transport heavy weapons ect. Refer below link for this small strip in Google maps.
http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=connectiontomainlandfr5.jpg
I thought this is the last valuable connection to transport heavy weapons ect.
http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=a9paranthancg8.jpg
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
Ananda-USA,
"Actually, I think our troops are now equal to the LTTE cadre in coping with swamps."
Yes, but they don't use swamp buggies. The SFs are given a special training in traversing swamps, some of it is quite simple, and rely heavily on camouflage. At night, there is a technique to avoid being detected by IR-scopes.
Patriots,
Our NIC number has first 5 digits represent birthdate.
YYDDD
Where YY is birth year, and DDD is number of days from Jan 1st.
Reference
A person with 1991-06-26 birth date should have NIC no 91177xxxx.
TamilNut photo shows 911780313v. TamilNut ID is a fake?.
We have missed so many opportunities to attack LTTE vehicles carrying supplies and personnel using MI24s, as the evaluation/clearing time for this is currently too much. Pilots are pretty much like robots, they are, very often (almost always), not allowed to improvise. It probably saves civilian lives, but sometimes to me, it seems like we are going too far with sticking to procedure.
Soorappa said...
[I can see a small road marked on defence.lk map for EP connection. But cannot figure it out in google maps. According to that the smallest land connection is just about 30-40 meters wide, so I don't think there can be a road which can be used to transport heavy weapons ect. Refer below link for this small strip in Google maps.]
Yes, there is a break with a sand bank blocking the channel there at Chundikulam. I think, this is probably the location at which LTTE transfers boats between the ocean and the Kilaly lagoon. It is true that sections of this road is of poor quality.
But, they can tow the guns most of the way, and dismantle their heavy artillery and moves them in sections (e.g., wheels, barrel, breech etc)separately in light vehicles. This is particularly true, as surveillance intensifies.
Rover,
I know they don't use swamp buggies yet; that was a suggestion I gave to the MOD/SLA some time ago.
"Though our Grand Chess Master claims that he uses new techniques he doesnt seem to use them in those ditch cum bunds."
But he is, given the constraints involved!
Bhairav,
In 2008, for me probably the most emotional blog moment is your childhood school stories.
I truly wish you and family to visit the places of old memories and folks without any fear (from SLA, LTTE and others) in 2009!
For SLAF, sticking to procedure is of course essential under many circumstances. For example, though this is not publicized, we used to transport causalities in our transport planes without securing them from moving about!! We lost one of the transports because it nose dipped over an air-pocket and all the weight moved forward to the nose of the plane. The pilot never managed to pull it up again....
Political Observer said...
" It is not identity that is driving this conflict.
It began with Indian support of the LTTE to undermine Sri Lanka. Without Indian support the LTTE could never have posed a military threat to Sri Lanka. "
This is not true by looking at comments made towards each other by FOOLISH Tamils and Sinhalese here. They are way smarter than you and you got to be wrong :)
Looks like there may be something behind the rumors of capture of Paranthan. Army.lk has announced the capture of THADDUWANKODDY and KOMARIKUDAKULAM. I didnt think the 58 guys were up far north as komarikudakulam wow!
Army.lk
Ananda,
"I know they don't use swamp buggies yet; that was a suggestion I gave to the MOD/SLA some time ago."
Ok.
The problem with the swamp buggy idea is, to succeed, we will need a lot of them (protection in numbers). Because they will be apparent and usually slow, and and hence we will take a lot of casualties.
Swamp boats like the ones used in Florida's Everglades will be a better idea, if stealth is not important. They can skim over swampy vegetation, are highly maneuverable, and fast. But the element of surprise will be lost!
Rather than getting the news of capturing towns and villages, I would like to hear the news on capture/destroy of LTTE Arty/Mortar and Leaders.
Those are the deciding factors in next year. Not the number of KM or number of towns.And not even the stupid deadlines
No matter how long will it take, slowly remove the factors that help LTTE to defend the terriotory. It will help to minimize SLA damages in final tally.
In one of the pictures on defence.lk, it shows that SLA troops marching below a Board of the captured Mulliyaweli Post office.
That board has All three Languages with "Sinhalese" on the top.
Two sides to this:
1). Shouldn't it be in Tamil on the top where everyone speaks tamil? (one can argue that it is acceptable as far as there are Tamil words!).
2). LTTE was fighting for things like these over the years. But they themselves didn't try to change what they fighting for even in the terriotory under them. Is this means People dont care about those silly things or LTTE in reality dont care about them?
The air force is struggling to locate LTTE artillery. Perhaps we need to rely on others to get the job done.
When a LTTE carder surrender, are they interrogated by MI to determine the location, ammo dumps and the modus operadi of these artillery units? Surely someone must know something about these guns.
How thorough is the interrogation process? Are we asking specific questions? Are we using 'truth drug' for example if any reluctance shown? The reason why these guns are still not silenced is also partly failure of MI and weaknesses intelligence gathering.
Moshe, Sujeewa and ananda
take a look at the this army.lk link given by cable.
the capture of the capture of THADDUWANKODDY and KOMARIKUDAKULAM seems a smart move by 58 whilst all indications were that 58 was moving towards paranthan.
taking KOMARIKUDAKULAM seems a strategic move to cut off reinforcements from the northern front as a pre op to take paranthan
By the looks of it your country's sailors are suffering from EM backscatter on monsoonal seas. You cant blam em.
"By the looks of it your country's sailors are suffering from EM backscatter on monsoonal seas. You cant blam em."
Bomb J., can you please elaborate?
guys !! is there a advance weapon research team in SLDF, i have some ideas but know for a fact will be thrown out of the window if told to a person who does not believe in R& D ...help me out would be a great help
Panhinda,
They are protecting the arti guns with their lives. So from what I know, they have made them into units that can more or less operate independently. As I said sometime back, they are either associated to isolated communities (which would have to face the brunt themselves, if Arti gun positions are leaked to the SALF) or, manned by cadres that rarely if ever communicate with the outside world or both. So intelligence on the location of these guns are very scarce. The cadres that come to CMB to carryout terrorist attacks, and who often get arrested by SLDFs, usually are never members of arti-teams.
soory
here's the army.lk
Frackster,
Yes there is, well kind of. There are nearly 30 PhDs working together with Army's R&D, so the potential is there to understand you. Write to them.
i meant
sorry
here's the army.lk link
I think if we take control over A9 above Paranthan, it's mostly end of story for EP. Then Navy (with RBS) and Airforce (with surveillance crafts) alone can cut down supply for this whole area. But it should be highly coordinated effort, so don't sure how success that would be :(
Panhinda,
Yep, SLAF is not good at locating the big guns.
Even the fire-finder radars that the Army has have a hard time locating the guns. Mostly through changes in the sequence of firing they do. They don't usually use a single arti gun for too long, and sometime change location of the gun in subsequent firing. So if not operated skillfully, it can fool our FFRs.
Rover,
/*
So from what I know, they have made them into units that can more or less operate independently.
*/
Or we are not working hard enough to locate them. For example, they had 3 runways and no one had any clue. Runways aren't that easy to hide either.
Even if they operate independently, people in the surrounding areas would know because of the noise they make.
If they hide/move after each use, then the only time to get them is while the guns are being used. A combination of fire locator/FLIR may give a target area for MBBRL fire. The area has shrunk and range is no longer an issue.
Its probably not one but a cocktail of counter measures that will ultimately work.
guys..arnt we moving a bit too fast?? I mean..all these villages,towns falling day after day, is quite pleasing to the ear, but in terms of securing them are we doing enough???
for example, if u look at the area captured by the 59th, roughly its about 200++ Sq.Kms (a very rough calculation done using the defence.lk map) and the total FDL length seems to be about 25Kms (again a approx.)... so if we take that a division has about 10K troops, and of that about 7500 are fighting forces... the 7500 fighting forces of the 59th are stretch over a 200 Sq.Km area...which is about 37 troops per Sq.Km.... this is a highly linear calculation as logically there will be more troops up front, so taking that about 60% are upfront then the ratio changes to about 15 troops per square KM.... considering the vast majority of the battle space the 59th operates in is thick jungle, is this kind of troop spread enough to secure the areas that we have gained??
Panhinda,
"Or we are not working hard enough to locate them. For example, they had 3 runways and no one had any clue. Runways aren't that easy to hide either."
Mostly lack of resources seems to be what is holding us back. SLAF is not willing to dedicate several UAVs just to search for Arti-guns! I find this really funny, as it is the arti-guns that cause most of our casualties. We have FLIR equipped UAVs, there is no reason for them to locate the guns homing in on the big gun's heat signature as soon as it is fired.
"Even if they operate independently, people in the surrounding areas would know because of the noise they make. "
Yes, but it is hard to get an exact location. To destroy an arti-gun, you pretty much have to make a direct hit on the gun. These are tough guns.
"If they hide/move after each use, then the only time to get them is while the guns are being used. A combination of fire locator/FLIR may give a target area for MBBRL fire. The area has shrunk and range is no longer an issue. "
Not all the guns are moved. They have stationary guns too. But these are not used consecutively for long periods of time, so it is hard to find using FFR.
"Its probably not one but a cocktail of counter measures that will ultimately work."
Yes, this is what should be done. Unfortunately this involves our weekest link. SLAF and Army working TOGETHER at short notice!
Thiru / DW
Friends
Few things,One all people come here to see what DW says and use our head to review and discus things.There is an amount of intelectuality involved in here, we are trying to learn and share.
All what I am saying is Defence Column [DC] is not adding any value here by adding all SL-emedia bits copied to a free blog and link it saying "Click here"
take a look at an example
this is blogcomment entry 201
# SLHRC to inquire petition filed by JJ
Click here
# WILL LTTE PROBLEM END IN THE NEW YEAR?
Click here
# 'Future Minds of Jaffna' attracts over 100,000
Click here
# Jaffna will return to normal soon- Douglas
Click here
# The 'sound' of desperation
Click here
These are all Postings from national newspapers / Gov web sites either directly and indirectly copy pasted
I call this a spamming
DC hasnt got any thing of his own
words
If he is quite keen doing this , what he should do is, write his blog on his own, and Iam sure i will read it,as long as he has a point
If you keen reading his , either you can go to DC own blog or infolanka
regarding your IP (Interlectual property ACT)knowledge
I shouldnt point out hyperlinking as a copy right issue, "His content is x to x or y to y copy and pasted" Any one in a university or living in a country with the Knowledge of IP act knows what is right and what is not
SO for you,my advice is, Dont ask me to change the channel, ask him to change the channel, I am sure we dont shit in the temple or worship in the toilet
Its for you and hm to find out what is right and whats not
I am not going to talk about this issue again, this is a waste of time
TG,
Yes, our troops spreading thin is always risky, and defense in depth should be what we always need to strive for. But SF units that are usually deployed ahead of our regular troops have been an enormous force muliplier, and makes it very hard for the tigers to infiltrate our FDLs and attack from our rear. But I too worry about what you've outlined.
FDL,
Def.Col. has been resisted before, but still he keeps doing this, and I don't think there is an effective way to prevent it.
Some of the bloggers actually like him, as they provide all the information here (one only needs to visit DW, to know aht is going on in the country).
So your battle against DC may not be useful (though what you say is true).
Back to work, catch you folks later...
Rover,
/*
SLAF and Army working TOGETHER at short notice!
*/
Yes, interoperability between forces even within units of the same force, co-ordination, communication etc perhaps not the best. Add in personality clashes and protecting each others turfs an so on, makes entire defense force weak.
That is why they say LTTE is the probably the best terror group but the military is not the best military. I don't feel it is because of lack of resources but rather not being resourceful with what they already have. Although I must say the army in particular have improved enormously under SF.
Single
" Rather than getting the news of capturing towns and villages, I would like to hear the news on capture/destroy of LTTE Arty/Mortar and Leaders."
I agree. The villages may be empty since LTTE withdraw into difficult terrain with their ammos.
" That board has All three Languages with "Sinhalese" on the top."
What it tells you is that 100% Tamils in these regions are not with LTTE and they are not racists.
They want to live a simple life like everyone else in the South.
Since most of the LTTE forces are forced, they have no motivation to change things dramatically than executing what Prabha tells them at gun point.
FDL
Regarding 'DC'.
Every one here have their own motives including DW. DC's motive is to get the traffic to his site. I call him selling 'saravita' (or popcorn) when other people are watching and chatting Cricket.
If what you say is true, you are giving away the intelligence of the government.
Are you a true or fake patriot?
"Rover said...
Frackster,
Yes there is, well kind of. There are nearly 30 PhDs working together with Army's R&D, so the potential is there to understand you. Write to them.
December 30, 2008 9:16 PM"
Some of the runaways I've seen were part of the existing roadway and therefore air surveillance may not picked up the white marks on them.
The last one was built in the jungle and would have picked it up from the air.
http://www.defence.lk/videos/President%20Speach-1229.wmv
Goon! Goon! Goon!
Thanks for the replay Rover.... yes... if areas far away as bati can be infiltrated by them and if they can have mini camps only 600 meters awey from one of our detachments (as reported recently by DW..) then I guess the thick jungles in Mula may not be that hard...
Earlier in the operation, we had divisions covering up rear and flanks of other divisions (eg- TF1 was covering 57ths flank and vice versa, and another division was at the rear of both 57 and TF1..)...but right now as things are, that kind of cover is not there. And if the 59th make a move to Puthukudirippu (as suggested by DL)then we will be further thinning out as well as running in to a box formation interms of terra at Oddusudan+Puthu+Mula....
How wise is this.?
[The cruel war in Sri Lanka caused a flow of economic refugees to developed countries; most of them Tamils. LTTE and other separatists manipulated them for their war and propaganda work. According to Jane’s Defence Weekly, LTTE collects US$200-300 million ]
In addition to the civilians in the Wanni, proud Sri Lankan leaders and troops will soon liberate the innocent Sri Lakan (Tamil) expatriates, who are forced to part with their hard earned money to the LTTE extortionists, on a monthly basis.
Agreed... many of these Tamil expatriates were 'planted' in the West by the LTTE itself in order to raise funds for terrorism... but they have paid 'enough' to LTTE agents in the West. 25+ years is more than enough.
The feedback is that these victims are now sending money to SLDF to hasten total elimination of the LTTE.
Kill more.... achieve more.
[Goon! Goon! Goon!
]
Ownership of the 'Tamil' cause got hijacked?
hooooo.... hooooo.... hooooo....
Morale: Never mess with poor village chena boys.... They can do anything what Tamil terrorists do, better.
Including distribution of DDT.
This is from arse of Chena boy, SriLankan!
MAJORITY RULES,
MINORITY RIGHTS,
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.
Why should the majority only rule? Any individual regardless of his/her ethnicity,race and religion can rule if he/she has the capacity to do it; ie: Barack Obama.
ReallyCold,
" Regarding 'DC'.
Every one here have their own motives including DW. DC's motive is to get the traffic to his site. I call him selling 'saravita' (or popcorn) when other people are watching and chatting Cricket."
if he thinks he get traffic by spanning ask him to read the google web masters guidelines
he better , do some SEO on his site,and get some good PR back links, not spamming
After all None of us worship in toilet and shit in temple
There is a way of doing things
Let him spam, he is not getting any thing from same site same link same content
:)
Really cold,
"f what you say is true, you are giving away the intelligence of the government.
Are you a true or fake patriot?"
How come? Is it a bad thing to say that we have a good plan to get the terrorists? Now people like Frackster can contribute with their ideas with confidence. I didn't say who they were; so no harm done.
Patriot or not, I am not sure (it depends on whom you are patriotic toward). I want SL to do well, do not believe really in any of the politicians, but believe that Gota R. is doing a terrific job, and will support our SLDFs to get rid of the terrorist menace.
/Any individual regardless of his/her ethnicity,race and religion can rule if he/she has the capacity to do it/
Tell this the killers of Kadir and Jeyaraj.
[MAJORITY RULES,
MINORITY RIGHTS,
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.]
Yep...that is the formula that works FOR ALL.. Majority here is 'Sri Lankan'... not ethnic groups.
[Why should the majority only rule? Any individual regardless of his/her ethnicity,race and religion can rule if he/she has the capacity to do it; ie: Barack Obama.]
Embrace the Sri Lankan identity...the moment you do that your inferiority complex will vanish.
What BS consume? Obama has put 100%American interests first... not black, African or any other. He is a full Yankee.
But surely you can have your own 'Tamil' land if you so wish... No where but in Tamilnadu itself. That's the place where majority Tamils THRIVE, HIVE AND JIVE.
Rover
"How come? Is it a bad thing to say that we have a good plan to get the terrorists? Now people like Frackster can contribute with their ideas with confidence. I didn't say who they were; so no harm done."
There is a difference between communicating a plan and trying to be specific about it.
If I work for SL government, I will have CID knocking on your door already for publishing specific information like this.
Sri Lanka is a small country and it is easy to figure out who is working on what with the little information like this.
I know a number of years ago, some people (not PhDs) were asked to invent a technology to locate and destroy landmines at a distance and I don't think that was successful.
At that time I don't think even metal detectors were conveniently available. That was a secretive task given to them since no one was there at that time to protect civilians working on a military project.
I ask that people to be careful and think twice on what they are trying to say here.
Bhairav said...
" Why should the majority only rule? Any individual regardless of his/her ethnicity,race and religion can rule if he/she has the capacity to do it"
The majority here doesn't represent a race, rather a group of people having similar values/ideas.
Both Sinhalese and Tamil are equally capable of achieving whatever they have their mind set on. LTTE ideology and stupid Sri Lankan political leaders don't believe in this.
US has more first time millionaires than in any other nation on this planet since if you really want something and you have the talent, you can get there by yourselves.
In Sri Lanka, if you aren't born to a privilege family and you don't have connections, you are mostly stuck scraping the bottom.
This presents the opportunity for Tamils and Sinhalese join hands with a common goal for Sri Lanka.
Really Cold,
Don't worry about me. The info I provided is not classified, and is well known amongst so many people. Won't get anything classified out of me though...
Re: Majority Rule
Disagree.
If majority = SL, well there is no need to say it. It is like saying "a human will rule".
If Majority = sinhala, then it is very wrong. It should be equally possible for anyone who thinks as SL to rule.
Defect is, many minority groups suffer with mental defects that they favor their ppl. Majority is the least favoring group. So if a minority member is to be elected you ought to be very careful to make sure he thinks SL before sub group. Examples are Pulle, Kadir, [maybe] Fowsie, [maybe] Farial.
Nevertheless the Sinhala only rule is not only a very unfair idea, but also a meaningless one. Unless stated in constitution, it has no meaning. For an exp, SLFP could have made Pulle/Kadir the president of SL. SL ppl are not so backward not to vote a sensible minority man.
Re: EPS
Well I have nothing against over running it, provided that SLDF casualty remains low. Same applies to Kili and Mula. But I still believe that if we can liberate the entire rest of the region [which means that fatpig has either fled or got killed and most civilians are liberated] having the three nodes under pussycats for about 2 years is OK. Infiltrations may happen and there will be death and attacks, yes. But the toll of overpowering them in a time frame like 6 months has much more destruction to SLDF.
But more importantly, the prolonging siege will shatter every hope and revival as the final men will die/surrender in total frustration.
Many ppl discussed about the solution to the ethnic issue. Let me state mine, which may never happen.
Following actions are for each group to comply.
- To all: NO Specialty, maximum administrative devolution.
- To sinhala: Forgiving the enemy, stop worthless ethnic band wagon, try to win all hearts.
- For non-pussycat tamils: Embrace in brotherhood, stop thinking tamil before SL, stop allowing outsiders to play on your lives
- For pussycat tamils: Defeat, shatter of dreams, accept the inability, surrender/death
- For every ethnic group: watch what happens if you try to play with us
- For opportunist-separatists, socialists, NGO: Persecution, punishment, strict vigilance to see what comes out of their mouths.
- For pro-pussycat diaspora: no chance to come back, no chance to do anything in SL, intl alienation as much as you can, never forgiven or forgotten
- For non-pussycat diaspora: Prompt support, maximum opportunity to beat pro-pussycats.
In simple terms, we should be fairest and most gentle with any Sri lankan, very skeptical and vigilant about those who think of sub groups as prime importance, maximum punishment for those who try separatism or special treats.
Sujeewa, brother,
Your mind, mirrors mine!
[Many ppl discussed about the solution to the ethnic issue. Let me state mine, which may never happen.
Following actions are for each group to comply.
- To all: NO Specialty, maximum administrative devolution.
- To sinhala: Forgiving the enemy, stop worthless ethnic band wagon, try to win all hearts.
- For non-pussycat tamils: Embrace in brotherhood, stop thinking tamil before SL, stop allowing outsiders to play on your lives
- For pussycat tamils: Defeat, shatter of dreams, accept the inability, surrender/death
- For every ethnic group: watch what happens if you try to play with us
- For opportunist-separatists, socialists, NGO: Persecution, punishment, strict vigilance to see what comes out of their mouths.
- For pro-pussycat diaspora: no chance to come back, no chance to do anything in SL, intl alienation as much as you can, never forgiven or forgotten
- For non-pussycat diaspora: Prompt support, maximum opportunity to beat pro-pussycats.
In simple terms, we should be fairest and most gentle with any Sri lankan, very skeptical and vigilant about those who think of sub groups as prime importance, maximum punishment for those who try separatism or special treats.]
Rover said...
[SLAF is not willing to dedicate several UAVs just to search for Arti-guns! ]
This is a pet peeve of mine also.
The UAVs need not be the expensive Israeli made ones; you can build hundreds of cheap model aeroplanes and helicopters with radio control, video cameras, infra-red directional sound sensors, GPS modules and deploy these. The real expense is on the ground, where you have to control the UAV, monitor and analyze the data. I build such things as a hobby...I know!
If hidden artillery/mortars is what kills our troops; lets deploy as many locally built UAVs as we need to locate and destroy them!
Thoughtful Guy said...
[considering the vast majority of the battle space the 59th operates in is thick jungle, is this kind of troop spread enough to secure the areas that we have gained]
Yes, the security of the rear areas behind the thin frontlines also worries me. For example, I don't think that the former "Area of Influence" was properly cleared due to lack of troops, and the hurry to finish the wanni operation partly due to political considerations.
The same thing is true of the post-war period, when the second guerilla war phase will begin. It is PARTLY in this context, applicable to a low-tech intensity conflict, that I had proposed increasing the SLDF to 500,000, and a 4,000,000 strong National Guard including all adults capable of bearing arms.
FreeTrade, Rana,
Freetrade, I enjoyed your book list. I have most of these books, but Fa-Hien's travel memoir was new. I sent off for a copy; I am very eager to read it.
Thanks, brother!
Rana, I just got a stack of Sinhala books ordered online from Kapruka; Rohini by Martin Wickremasinghe among them.
I read it from cover to cover at one sitting; it was exactly as I had memorized it at 7 years of age many many moons ago! Simply Lovely!
I couldn't help seeing the analogy between Dutugamunu's war and the current one, in a book written in 1929! His strategy of taking Buddhist monks to install in the conquered villages to win the hearts and minds of the Sinhala people loyal to Elara was simply brilliant, I think!
BTW, I think the book that I referred to about the Invasion of India by Sinhala armies may have been W.A. Silva's Daiva Yogaya, I am not certain, I am planning to buy & read that too!
Rover said...
[The problem with the swamp buggy idea is, to succeed, we will need a lot of them (protection in numbers). Because they will be apparent and usually slow, and and hence we will take a lot of casualties.
Swamp boats like the ones used in Florida's Everglades will be a better idea, if stealth is not important. They can skim over swampy vegetation, are highly maneuverable, and fast. But the element of surprise will be lost!]
Well, I didn't elaborate. What we need is a flatbottomed boat driven by a air-propeller to avoid the fouling of normal underwater propellors. Unlike standard swamp buggies, that have these characteristics, but are built with a high-standing seat with a view (for the duck-hunter), we need a low-profile craft for protection, and perhaps some thin sheet stell protection. MGs and grenade launchers can be mounted and the craft can accomodate about four people. Would be ideal for resupply and evacuating the wounded as well.
Yes, the defect is the high noise level which eliminates stealth attacks.
killert said...
[For this we can use aan air craft similar to the one described in AIr Force Blog called EMB-314 Super Tucano.If it reaped good results in SLA and SLN why wouldnt it work for SLAF.What do you ppl think??]
Yes! Many months ago, I suggested using WW-II P51 mustangs. Very cheap now, very long range, extremely hardy, can fire 20mm cannons,0.5 calibre MGs, and can be fitted with air-air and air-ground rockets, or carry 2 x 500lb bombs, 450 mph top speed, range 3000 miles. Great for coastal defence and close air support also.
About 16,000 were built, still in service in some countries, many looking to unload for as little as $1,500 each. Need a beautiful highly practical personal fighter plane going cheap?
SLA entered paranthan town.
Thank You Ananda-USA for acknowledging my book list. You will certainly enjoy the memoires of Fa-Hien…It’s a treasure for any Buddhist…I’m a converted Buddhist and it’s one of the most treasured books in my possession.
If possible, also buy “The Curse of Ignorance” part 1 and 2 – by Arthur Findlay…you will love these 2 books.
Have you heard of development theory?
Development theory is hinged on four earlier theories and is about how desirable change in society can best be achieved. The theory draws on a wide range of social scientific disciplines and norms. The four base theories are:
1. Modernisation theory
2. Dependency theory
3. World systems theory
4. State theory
Today, Development theory is based mostly on Modernisation theory while drawing little from the others. Modernisation theory states that desirable development can be achieved by any nation, but only by following a process of development already used by developed nations [This is bull!]. Modernisation theorists have since the mid 1970s developed a range of “development stages” through which they say every developing country must pass. It is a linear process which every country must go through. So, we are told.
Although “Classical Liberalism” teaches us of individual freedom, human rationality, natural rights, protection of our civil liberties and limited government; Modernisation theorists bring the ‘state’ back in to the frame as the central actor in modernising underdeveloped societies. So basically, every modernisation theorist works for the benefit of the state s/he represents and in most cases these people are employees of "some" state.
Since the 2004 tsunami hit Sri Lanka, we have been badgered by an army of western development theorists funded by numerous non/governmental organisations who have come to practice what they refer to as “Proven stages of development”. They call themselves “change-agents” and many theories have been implemented, but none have worked. That’s right, not one single one of their implemented theories has worked so far, and of course they point their finger at the state, complaining that the state participation was not sufficient for their failed theories to bare fruit. Sounds like an excuse we hear from NGO’s a lot these days. Also the actual change-agents sent to Sri Lanka are mostly just out of university, young boys and girls with some formal training but absolutely no experience in nation building. Most are here on their first assignments and remain in two year stints.
When asked, how well they understood the complex societies they would be working with in rural Sri Lanka, they say they no nothing of our people, but it’s also not important for them to know our ways or customs, because they follow a system called “Functional Sociology” which tells them everything they need to know about us.
Is this some kind of joke? It is fair to ask, because leaving alone the complexities of our ancient societies, Functional Sociology which is based on “Structural Functionalism” developed by American sociologist Talcott Parsons, only distinguishes “modern” from “traditional” societies and explains how to transfigure a traditional society into a more modern one.
Modernisation theory and its systems of development take long periods of time to work and are always based on a system of schooling and education. Neither of which is being implemented by the change-agents who have arrived on our shores in the thousands. Furthermore, structural functionalism was at its peak in the 50s and 60s in America and since has faded away, being totally ignored in the US today and regarded as “dated” theory.
So who are these people?
The following is an explanation to the above question I asked, written by the late “Manik Sandarasagara”. Manik introduced me to the below. It is very enlightening to say the least. Thank you Manik for opening up my eyes to these frauds…
"Quote Manik"
"The original change-agent was thought to be the Gipsy trader who visited the village with his box of tricks. Today’s change-agent is much smarter. He too has arrived with a box but with a difference. Today’s box is a computer which he uses to write snazzy reports, using the seductive language of development theory, to bait his fish. All these theorists have ‘some’ formal training and they believe that they are the chosen vanguard whose manifest destiny it is to raise the consciousness of the less fortunate.
Here is a chart that they all carry on their Laptop computers and is also widely used by western politicians and theorists to con us all:
A
1 Centrally
2 Rationally
3 Systematically
4 Formally
5 Totally
6 Strategically
7 Dynamically
8 Democratically
9 Situationally
10 Moderately
11 Intensively
12 Comprehensively
13 Racially
14 Optimally
B
1 Motivated
2 Positive
3 Structured
4 Controlled
5 Integrated
6 Balanced
7 Functional
8 Programmed
9 Mobilized
10 Limited
11 Phased
12 Delegated
13 Maximized
14 Consistent
C
1 Grass-roots
2 Sectoral
3 Institutional
4 Urban
5 Organisational
6 Rural
7 Growth-oriented
8 Development
9 Cooperative
10 On-going
11 Technical
12 Leadership
13 Agrarian
14 Planning
D
1 Involvement
2 Incentive
3 Participation
4 Attack
5 Procedure
6 Package
7 Dialogue
8 Initiative
9 Scheme
10 Approach
11 Project
12 Action
13 Collaboration
14 Objective
From the above one word can be selected at random from each column to compose a four word, typical development phrase. For example, A3, B6, C9 and D12 make "systematically balanced cooperative action." A12, B9, C6 and D3 construct another fine sounding phrase, "Comprehensively mobilised rural participation." None of these phrases mean anything yet they are typical of the seductive language which fills the countless speeches, plans, project proposals and glossy pamphlets of the development industry forced upon us today.
Western society has had to experience the worst of these development theorists and have not still learnt that it’s only a bunch of seductive words. Thousands of failed projects in the last thirty years at enormous expense to the tax payer in the UK, and still they try and export a locally failed product to us, but the really strange thing I’m going to leave you to ponder over my friend, is: The product is still being paid for by their own tax payers through charity and also state funded iNGOs – Why?"
"Unquote Manik!
Thank you Manik.
Why dupe your own people into funding development theories abroad that have previously failed locally, why allow unregulated industries to grow and financially drain your own society?
Meet Manik: http://livingheritage.org/manik-unplugged.htm
SF has to be right - And I fight on his corner
NOTE: I later found this, which gives the same chart Manik sent me, but in a different context. It makes for better reading of the chart…
http://sigiriya.org/dancing-for-dollars.htm
**Contact FREETRADE directly on romacorona@gmail.com - If you have anything you like to discuss in private. Cheers everybody, I have had a great year reading all your stuff. Thanks DW and a wonderful 2009 to everybody..!
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RESPECT: Ananda-USA / Moshe Dyan / Rana / MyleRavana – I have enjoyed all your writings…Thank you all for the great insights and amusements. Thanks to all those Tamil lads who sometimes gave me such thought provoking banter…Peter, I like you mate…Hang in there.
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Kokawala: I don't know how to asses you my friend. You seem to know a little of everything, but try to write like you know a lot. I have begun to avoid your chat.
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Thoughtful Guy: You are great entertainment. I will keep reading your stuff. I like.
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Perien: I get a bit sick of your negativity and fear of traps. For fcuks sake remember this; you create your own reality through your thoughts...Think positive my friend and your life will bring you better. Get rid of that fear in you heart, you will be a better man.
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Lankaputra: I will show you the real flag removed from Kandy in 1815 by the British. I have it.
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Ninja: You are a Ninja turtle, and nothing more. All mouth and little else.
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Pottu: You must be a "tax collector" for the LTTFucks
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All you Tamil supporters like JET and REBEL: I love you guys and hope you keep it coming...You make life feel worth living.
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Wijayapala: Ha, ha, ha...You have a big chip on your shoulder...education. I guess you haven't passed your 5th grade and that's why you always talk about ill-educated or less-educated or non-educated. My friend, stick around, you may just learn something.
Wish all of you a Happy & Prosperous New Year.
May our Soldiers be blessed with the blessings of Noble Triple Gem.
May them get all the powers of the Universe to bring Peace to our country.
One country. One Nation. !!!
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