Sunday, December 7, 2008

Progress in all areas

Around 25 LTTE cadres were killed when a team of about 100 cadres launched a counter attack at Adampan last morning. 2 soldiers were also killed in the fighting. The attack was anticipated following intelligence warnings (please see last report).

Small teams of soldiers are usually positioned ahead of the Army's existing FDL and artillery, including MBRL units are kept on standby at night in case of an enemy counter attack. Artillery crews and small groups of soldiers change patrols in the evening and sometimes again in the early morning and fresh teams are deployed in their place. Therefore no special preparations were necessary to counter the LTTE counter attack, which came shortly after 2.30am yesterday.

According to intelligence reports a group of 300 cadres were being trained by the LTTE in this area for the counter attack. Army believes the attack early last morning maybe the first wave of such attackers and that a much larger attack can be anticipated in the days to come. The Tiger cadres were spotted early and as artillery and MBRL strikes opened up, they made a hasty retreat dragging their dead and wounded and sometimes leaving behind weapons.

An air strike was made at the newly constructed LTTE earth bund that spans from Paranthan to north Oddusudan. Monitored communication indicated that a part of the bund, including several LTTE bunkers were hit and that a few cadres either manning or building the bund at the time may have been killed in the strikes.

Meanwhile SLA is preparing for another push at Muhamalai to break into the 2nd defence line of the LTTE. Paths along the no-man's-land ahead of the newly captured areas are being cleared by Army engineers to be used by specialized infantry units for the initial softening-up operations.

Heavy fighting was reported from Olumadu on Friday as Task Force 3 clashed with the LTTE in that area. SLA recovered 11 bodies including 2 decomposed ones. 9 bodies were handed over to the ICRC yesterday. Army believes it may have killed 20 Tigers in this fight which occurred shortly after TF3 surrounded an LTTE bunkerline.

The Army is now in full control of the A9 from Vavuniya (Kandy-Jaffna), all the way upto Kokavil. The checkpoint at Omanthai has been brought virtually to the outskirts of Kilinochchi. From the Army's perspective, these achievements, once thought impossible, are historic and unprecedented.

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Moshe Dyan said...

saman,

when sam brought this up a few days back, i found it diffult to believe at first.

now it seems the gain is permanant.

as you know kilali is the WESTMOST FDL in the K-M-N axis. 58 has cleared the western part of the mainland. so it is likely that tigers vacate this area as it is kind of trapped from 3 directions now.

but paranthan is still with tigers and it is well connected. so i don't think SLA will advance any further without destabilising paranthan.

if you imagine the new FDL, kilali-2 steps advanced, muhamalai-1 step advanced, nagarkovil-same as b4.

this pattern must mean something. can't think of any though.

Moshe Dyan said...

excuse me for the discourse.

ananda-usa, sujeewa kokawala and saman, three "recent additions" have brought in many novel defence related insights within just a few months.

their contribution is appreciated.

Susan said...

dddd

Pierre said...

eeee

Mohammed Zubair said...

ffff

Pierre said...

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

T.Douglas said...

CAPTURE OF POONAHARI AND THE HIGH COST OF CASUALTY

ACCORDING TO THE FORMER FOREIGN MINISTER MANGALA SAMARAWEERA THE SRI LANKAN ARMY SUFFERED OVER 300 CASUALTIES.

200 DEAD BODIES WERE BROUGHT TO COLOMBO AND KEPT AT 2 FUNERAL PARLOURS.

OVER 100 ARMY BODIES WERE LEFT AT NO MANS LAND UNABLE TO RECOVER.

OVER 1000 SOLDIERS SUFFERED SERIOUS INJURIES AND WARDED AT NATIONAL HOSPITALS.

SRI LANKA ONCE FLOWED WITH MILK AND HONEY NOW FLOWING WITH BLOOD AND DEAD BODIES.

NOLTTE=Peace said...

Terrorist Douglas,

Yes, there will be death, casualties, mayhem, and gloomy pictures for you now.

We are ready to do that sacrifies in order for a better tomorrow that is free of those ill brought by LTTE.

Ohoma Yan! Ohoma Yan! Thawa Tikai!

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Gen Sarath Fonseka should not give any chances to enemy.

However whats done is done. No need to regret!

Thanks DC for the link.

Colomblogs said...

Hey Buri Dugi (Douglas said... )
Why so much of these SLA deaths was not reported by TamilNet?

So even for news now you are depend on Mongi and Ranil. both are always unbiased becasue they are neither man nor woman.

For relief you are depend on;
Tamilandu, Karunanidhi, UNP, Karu Jayasooriya, budget defeats, floods..all from south and God.

Seems your "Buriya" is much bigger than your intelleigent brain.

All Peeleamists, please don't waste your time here talking SLA deaths, defeates, number of miles etc...

Lanka Putra said...

True nature of cast prejudice in Tamil Nadu. It is painful to watch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtTgvZvPSU

And NT is trying to teach us ethnic harmony?

Ra said...

Did I see someone like peter attacking Bahirav.

What an insult to humanity!

සිසිර කුමාර said...

Probably that is the way Tamizh solve problems.

No wonder no country!

TropicalStorm said...

Pansilu

The Portuguese always had a rep fr extreme brutality, whether as colonials or as slave masters. Their attrocities are historic in scale everywhere they went and earned hatred from any area occupied by them, though the brutality was designed to earn unquestioning serveility from their subjects.

In the South, after many years of rtampant lawlessness, mayhem and murder of civillians by their soldiers, the Portuguese surrendered when the Dutch Navy blew their life line away and were finally slaughtered by the Sinhalese. The numbers killed were smaller in numbers, since the war of attrition that was waged against them had worn down the numbers by then, and the remainder were garrisoned in Colombo.

Those who sow the seeds of chaos, repa the whirlwind. It was true then, as is now.

Corey said...

Another bipolar depressive maniac, t. doouglas says:
"SRI LANKA ONCE FLOWED WITH MILK AND HONEY NOW FLOWING WITH BLOOD AND DEAD BODIES."

- Who caused this? It is the inferiority complex of tamils and their bipolar suicidal nature. Tell your sun goat to take lithium, and Sri Lanka may flow with milk and honey again.

Sam Perera said...

# India raises Gen Fonseka's remarks


As a citizen of Sri Lanka, I totally agree with General Fonseka. These moronic racist terrorist jokers like Nedumaran and Vaiko has no business in Sri Lanka. They are neither Sri Lankan citizens nor welcome by Sri Lankans to meddle with our internal matters. What makes them jokers is the inability of racist terrorist morons to understand that they are not citizens of Sri Lanka. Speaking for myself, I say go to hell NeduMoron and Psycho.

obama said...

Sam,
I Think Tamilnadu politicians are treated like demigods in Tnadu. They probably expect Sri lankans to do the same. They cant tolerate it when we dont give a F*** about them.
Other misconception they have is they still think Sri Lanka is an extention of Tnadu.

Nobody should boil our blood over what these idiots are talking. But I agree they supply us with hunour!

obama said...

"External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash told reporters here while commenting on remarks by Fonseka in an interview where he referred to some politicians of Tamil Nadu as `political jokers`"

Anybody have any idea about a better way to describe these people?

Unknown said...

Obama ..

No I dont

onecountry said...

I do not agree with general Fonseka's remarks. He should stay focused on military matters and stay out of politics. Let the SL politicians hand TN jokers. Fonseka should take the higher ground and ignore them and Mangala. He has to answer to the president of SL who is the commander in chief.

Gringo said...

Regional bully India in general and the Toiletnadu jokers in particular, made sure that Sri Lankan blood flowed for 25+ years by planting the LTTE parasites in the island... and still continue their rhetoric, threats and warnings to us....

They can do everything but we don’t have the freedom of expression? Are we supposed to take this harassment lying down or bending into two?

This sends totally wrong signals to all concerned... that's why many NGO, INGO, traitors, diplomats, newspaper boys et al...continue to INSULT MOTHERLANKA and her GUARDIAN ANGELSs... and EXPECT US TO IMPLEMENT SOLUTIONS THEY THRUST ON US.

Time is ripe to stand up against these vultures…. And boy… am I not happy to see
our present leadership has the courage to face them...

Give us freedom or give us death… (now who said it?)

Peter said...

One mile from Killinochchi?

Peter said...

Haha!

Will he say sorry?

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmHome.aspx

Peter said...

haha

Makinda reading DefenceLiar?

http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/ArticleImages/pgdioz45ddecnhamtbrgfq55_Kerawalapitiya%20Main.jpg

obama said...

onecountry
What Fonseka said was the truth.

Are they jokers? yes they are.

Are they on LTTE pay role? yes

Are they doing it with real feeling for tamils? No

Can Mahinda or any other minister say teh same even if it is the truth? no they cant

Somebody has to tell them. Another way what Fonseka says is "we are continuing the LTTE bashing until it is finished, despite whatever Nadu politicians say or do. This will enrage the Nadu kings and friction between them and the central government will increase. Whatever Nadu guys do will be like dropping their 'sarama' in public. I am sure they are not wearing any 'amude'.

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Rana,

Thanks for taking me into the family. I also read many posts by you with interest, your life experiences in SL are also very educating for us.

Pillow fighters,

I was silent as I didn't want to take up a long argument on/with Wije. Most had no other topic but him. And it has been going too far. For everyone's betterment shall I suggest that we all write "Yes Wije you're right. We respect you" and sign off from that debate. Personal attacks like that takes us nowhere, and there is nothing lost by giving away victory to him, for the sake of healthy conversation. The topics that Wije takes are so vague that you cannot define the winner anyway.

Moshe,

Tell you the honest truth, I am also unable to rationalize proceedings in NFL. In fact I once opposed even a foot forward, and partially I was proven true [with heavy casualties], but most importantly I was proven false as they captured, held and established on new FDLs.

Still I can guess few possible reasons for the abnormal shape of NFL.

- "Ground realities". i.e. SLDF take advantage of practical issues like more harvest, lesser organized places, relatively easy terrain etc. None of us have analyzed these.

- Nagarkovil is connected to main land by a narrow strip and if we surpass that point NK becomes an island. Why waste resources, where you can surround the enemy?

- Why is Paranthan delayed? Is it the resistance along B69 or possible gun range across the lagoon? If so we first have to clean Kilali, for Paranthan.

- Is there some operational defect in NK side? Not every division is equal in competance?

In any case, there are few big places nearing collapse. Kili, EPS and Paranthan. For Kili, in fact it is clear that SLDF is using kili as a place of suicide for pussycats.

Fall of EPS will start with fall of another. One such precurser is Paranthan. However, never underestimate the [to be] joint eastward front who may pass Oddusudan and march to eastern shore [with eastern flank of 57th backing up inland]. That will be a killer for pussycats.

Let me re-open the debate again. Kili or Mula? I will stay with Mula now. Since civilians cannot be liberated easily Kili looses value. Mula city is not important, but surrounding jungles, Oddu and Puthu'ppu will be where Fatpig is planning to fight his final war.

"Capture first where you enemy wants the last battle" perhaps a forgotten tip by Tzen Tzu.

Gringo said...

[Will he say sorry?
]

he he he... keep day-dreaming!

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Correction:

I said

"Nagarkovil is connected to main land"

should be corrected as

"Nagarkovil is connected to trunk of peninsula"

apologies.

Sam Perera said...

onecountry,

I partially agree to your comments. However, when are we going to let these LTTE jokers in Tamilnadu know that they have no business with internal matters of Sri Lanka. Earlier we had Jeyaraj to say this and he was assassinated by LTTE. At one point somebody needs to stand up and say it.

obama said...

" “The senseless killings in Mumbai, thousands of people fleeing the conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo, hundreds of thousands more trapped in dire conditions in Darfur, Gaza and northern Sri Lanka and a global economic recession that could push millions more into poverty creates a burning platform for action on human rights,” said Irene Khan, Secretary General of Amnesty International"

Mmmm something is missing here. Yep, got it.
Iraq, Afganisthan, Gaza strip, Mexico.....

pukama thama
[sorry for borrowing somebody elses catch phrase]

Peter said...

Haha

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200812092140.htm

I dont think that's enough

obama said...

"Hangi hangi wes bandath natanne elliye"


For the first time, instead of raising voices for their own issues, hoards of transgender gathered here today to served a hunger strike to show solidarity with the ethnic Tamils in Sri Lanka. Almost all transgender associations in Tamil Nadu participated in the protest to voice their concern over the alleged atrocities on ethnic Tamils in Sri Lanka. Several political leaders including the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) Rajya Sabha member and daughter of Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi, Kanimozhi participated in the protest

there you go!

Gringo said...

[I dont think that's enough
]

You have no idea how the cookie crumbles...

How many light years I have to wait to see the Elaam moon?

But, hey... Keep on entertaining us!

obama said...

"Ask Lankan minister to say sorry for calling us jokers: Vaiko to Centre"
Yes, Mr Vaiko, you should take this up seriously. Arrange a protest march with transgender. Give PM a time frame threatning to resign. And please resign if they dont apologise.

Anonymous said...

Saman

/YOU MAY BE TIRED MATE, BUT I AM NOT./

Re.Wijayapala; I didn't mention your name in my post. There are many others fighting with Wijayapala apart from you.

/STAY AWAY IF THAT IS THE CASE./

You should see that's what I do.

You guys pick one single sentence from your opponent and start new useless arguement. This hair splitting arguements about trivial things are less interest of me. Any way thanks for the advice.

/IF YOU TRY THIS AGAIN I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO HAVE A GO AT YOU./

Try what again? Whatever it is you do have other options too. Ignore, add me to sithsla's list or stick to your choice. No problem.

onecountry said...

I never disagreed with SF statement. It was the truth. But, as the army commander, he should tangle his horns with politicians. It is better to ignore politicians and do your thing to get rid LTTE. Let the politicians bash TN jokers. SF does not gain anything bashing TN jokers.

hemantha said...

Few days back Tamilnadu jokers were harping on a ceasefire. Now they are just concentrating on this 'joker comment'. Don't the dumb asses want a ceasefire anymore?

hemantha said...

MayilRavana,
Will reply you later. (little bit busy).

obama said...

Hemantha,
You understood the point. Now they have forgotten the Tamil struggle. This will go on for a few weeks. Demonstartions, burning effiges etc asking for an apology. Then they will come to their senses. Ooophs, we forgot our tamil brothers!By that time Fonseka will be in Killi and Mula

Who said Fonseka is stupid!

Annonymous said...

Karu J leaves the govt. Wonder how Navindran miss this. Nevertheless he will start Navindraning over this as a way of failing the govt and hence gaining Eelam. Watch out !!!

Willingly or not Wijepala has become a reason to split the union of patriots into many pieces. I think time is ready to patch up them and let Wijepala be.

Holy Monkeys of Kumari Kandam take the advantage as patriots fight patriots on pathetic matters.

Hey Peterayo, it will be 1km from Kili for sometime. Do you know what that 1km is there for? For your innocent brethren in Wanni to walk like in Galili with a weapon on shoulder and sacrifice themselves to redeem the crimes of genocide which your die-as-buruwahs designed and intiated.

But keep on reminding us. We prefer it being so, instead of SLDF entering the worthy for nothing mass grave of homo dravidians. Call all your relatives and tell them to dare the 1km. Most likely that they'll get free MBRL treat.

Anonymous said...

Nayaru

Kilali

A9

Ra said...

[TamilNut, Tuesday, 09 December 2008, 12:41 GMT]
New York-based Genocide Prevention Project in a report to be published Tuesday includes Sri Lanka as one of the eight "red alert" countries where genocide and other mass atrocities are underway or risk breaking out. A comprehensive list of 33 countries is also contained in the report.


Based on this news today Sri Lankan president has ordered troops to stop war and go back to Mavil aru.

Corey said...

peelam, the sole-representative of the tamils:


"Twelve women, ten men and a child from deeper north in LTTE held areas have reportedly left their villages the previous night to avoid being spotted by Tiger terrorists.

Those civilians are to be handed over to the authorities for relocation shortly.

However, Tiger terrorists have reportedly directed fire towards some of those deserting them in the thick of the jungles at the first light. As a result one woman escapee has died and two more have received injuries as all the escapees have started panicking due to rain of LTTE fire."

Vigilante said...

Buy a submarine for 2.1 Million dollars.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20081209.aspx

Anonymous said...

/New York-based Genocide Prevention Project../

SL in red alert, pakistan also in red alert.. China in orenge alert...Ha Ha Peelaam in pink alert... How come Navindran missed this.. peezaam is invetible... Ha Ha

Gringo said...

[/New York-based Genocide Prevention Project../]

They need to take a lesson from our humanitarian mission in Vanni.

Very impressive results!

Ananda-USA said...

My post at
ExpressBuzz.com

General Fonseka of Sri Lanka is absolutely correct: these Tamil Nadu politicians, paid servants of the LTTE, are indeed jokers, albeit dangerous ones to both Sri Lanka and India. Karunanidhi, Vaiko and Ramdoss are oblivious to the struggle their own country is waging against terrorism, make common cause with a murderous terrorist outfit, presume to represent all Tamils worldwide disregarding the sovereignty of the host countries like Hilter did regarding Germans living in other countries, and is creating a groundswell of anger against India at a time when India needs friends. They espouse separatism within India, Ramdoss even wants a separate "Vanniyar-only" country within Tamil Nadu. These people are not only dangerous jokers; they are traitors to mother India! May God bless Gen. Fonseka!

Pansilu said...

T Storm,

Thanks for your reply, but those things happened 500 years ago and not much relevant to present generations.

Rana,

What is your relationship with wijayapala, your brother or wife? Any way do not confuse others.

Moshe,

priyashantha said:

"some times you are writing shit"

"behave or get exposed"

why you didn't reply to priyashantha?

it seems, either you are not interested/cannot reply to wijayapala or you scared of asithri and priyashantha and trying to behave as they want.

I appreciate your entusiasm and desires for united sri lanka.

I also think your military strategies are ridiculas at times. Some SLA officers I know here are amused and angry too at times.

wijayapala,

you must be a tamil speaking muslim to attack tamils and sinhalese at the same time.

Can you say something about SL muslims? and their average position regarding the present conflict?

Sam Perera,

You also scared of priyashantha and Asithri, cant you handle your affairs without doing lip services?

Saman,

you are doing just fine but be careful.

Gringo said...

[[Sri Lanka 'joker' jibe angers India
Dec 10 (BBC)
]
]

Hey... BBC... do your reporting come with 'fries'... sorry... I mean a "chapathi'... for us to hide from the Injuns...

Playing with the 'fear factor', ha?

Ananda-USA said...

My post at ExpressBuzz.com

Emerging from colonial bondage 60 years ago, India and Sri Lanka are poised on the threshold of finally delivering to our people a decent life as the fruits of freedom. Yet, rabble-rousing leaders and machiavellian politicians instigate internecine warfare among the different races, castes, and religions pitting us against each other and destroying our countries from within. The shining examples of the Gautama Buddha and Mathatma Gandhi (who qualifies to be a Bodhisattva) fails to produce leaders with the ability to rally the people to a common purpose as Mahatma did. All we see is the slicing and dicing of communities and countries into smaller and smaller uneconomic unstable entities incapable of competing in the global economy. We need enlightened leaders! Why can't our MPs be Mahatma Gandhis and work with compassion to unify the peoples of our countries?

Rana said...

Morning all,

It seems DW has nothing to say.

there is a lull in defence matters and harvesting is not that good, may be due to bad weather.

Politics here dull, no jokes, all seems to be serious but nothing interesting is in the horizon!

Rana said...

Pansilu,

You used to be the musical director cum "veena" expert for celestial or heavenly bodies.

What are you doing here by picking earthlings?

//What is your relationship with wijayapala, your brother or wife?//

Well, wije is another blogger like me, may be a professional colleague or a rival.

//Any way do not confuse others.//

I can't understand, can you elaborate, how I confuse others? for me to reply.

BTW, you come here, once in a while and trying to stir others, not a good practice for your own health!!

Rana said...

Guys,

some excerpt from Lanka Guardian-

by Nacholibre,

"Well, for that, we the public of Sri Lanka, a sovereign nation across the Palk Starits, would like to remind Tamilnadu Political jokers this;"

"Keep your jokes to your own audience in tamilnadu and elsewhere in India. It fails to amuse us. If you Tamilnadu comedians deem it fit to undermine our own sovereignty with your actions and statements, you have no right to expect that SL Army Commander nor any other patriotic Sri Lankan would sing hosannas to you in return. It is high time you Tamilnadu political jokers grew out of your own hypocrisy and minded your own business when your own back yard in India is burning with the plight of terrorism."

Well said,

Now, I think Gen.SF's comments were done after carefully analysing its gravity and impact on all sides.

It has a firm message to all internationals and he can relate it to military matters easily.

Not bad at all, he is showing maturity in all departments.

Thank you General.

Sam Perera said...

pansilu,

"Sam Perera,

You also scared of priyashantha and Asithri, cant you handle your affairs without doing lip services?"

Care to elaborate what you say? Lip services for whom? This is not a game of pitting Sri Lankans against each other. This is just a blog we flock together to read defence news and add our comments on it. I may not like everything others say and others may not like everything I say. Depending on how you feel, you just jot down the comments. One more thing, most of us go by nicknames, i.e. anonymous. As a result there is no physical side to these discussion. I hope this clarifies my approach here.

Sam Perera said...

pansilu,

By the way, thanks for grading us. I was waiting for a long time for somebody to grade us. Have you beam a school teacher somewhere? Perhaps, you should do some research to see how blogs work in this world.

Rana said...

Guys,

I think GOSL should pass new code of conduct for all public servants including ministers of parlimant and provincial councils to prevent derogatory statements to undermine sovereignity and unity of the nation.

It should be included in the usual oath.

Any violators of such code of conduct should be automatically striped off from his/her duties and responsibilities.

If it is already there, GOSL should take severe actions against all TNA and other parlimantarians.

Moshe Dyan said...
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Moshe Dyan said...

rana,

mate, it is already there and there are enough evidence to punish MOST (not all) TNA crappies. for various "reasons" they are not doing it.

i agree with you that GOSL should execute the law.

Sam Perera said...

pansilu,

I took a moment to check you past comments. Are you here to get up to date defence news or just to put out a few totally-unrelated useless comments?

Moshe Dyan said...

ninja,

re:wesa-balla (i hate to talk but this is only a correction to what you said).

it was wb who started PERSONAL attacks when he couldn't handle the ISSUE at discussion. his personal attacks were RACIST and FILTHY. i repeat RACIST. i have fought with anti-sinhala racists (wesa-balla), anti-tamil racists (can't remember his name, but you may remember), anti-muslim racists (bloodyrav, kaati) although some of them were our "friends".

racial remarks are WORSE than filthy remarks.

e.g. harbajan's case. he was tried for RACIAL remarks which are severe but he got away with a filthy remark (motherfucker = "maarki").

unfortunately for him, wesa-balla uses both. if in doubt, please check his posts.

having come to the ring, he can't backaway when we screww him. if he is not using filth he is clean. otherwise he is not.

this shows the thinking of his group.

they think that LTTE failed t get tamil elam (or anything closer to that) by force, so should try getting it politically. this is BULLSHIT. they first tried to get it politically and FAILED. that's when they took up arms.

now they must accept defeat not only for war, but also for tamil elam (or anything closer to it).

unlike in a sport, in war, the defeated is FORCED the defeat down his arse!

the "political solution" that will come one day will be a TOTAL disappointment to tamil elamists. what can do?
nothing!

if they again go for war, fantastic! be my guest! we can beat them.

lankaputhra said...

Prabakaran, Tamil Nadu, India and Sri Lanka

When Prabakaran killed mighty India’s Prime minister, India did nothing against LTTE not even asked Sri Lankan government to hand over Prabakaran to India.
When Kashmir terrorist (according to BBC freedom fighters) killed many in Mumbai India demanding/forcing Pakistan to crack down who were suspicious for the attack. And the same time India is asking or demanding Sri Lankan government to stop the war against LTTE. All this politically motivated or this true nature of India.
According to some reports even now LTTE’s main arms and other hard wear coming from Tamil Nadu (India). In the past RAW gave birth to LTTE and raised them in there finally VP killed the son of Indira who raised them and still feeding (difficult to understand).
As long as we all know India has no friendly neighbour except Sri Lanka. Why ? this all because of India’s dishonest past relationships. The world is changing and two decades ago we never thought India and China will be like this today. If India will not protect their neighbours they might accommodate China replacing India.
In terms of Sri Lankan war situation it’s obvious that Tamils who live in Sri Lanka do not want this war but all expatriates just because they still want to see (Sinhala blood) revenge from Sinhalese while enjoying the life in the west. Will they send their sons and daughters to fight with SLA of course not. What is happening now…LTTE is playing with thousands of innocent lives of Tamils (who can’t migrate) and also indirectly with all Sri Lankans to keep Prabakaran’s dream alive.
(Banda gaththu Bere Gahnna Epai). Finally funny thing about whole scenario is even though Prabakaran needs to stop the war as he can’t manage with resources, his big attitude (little education) makes him not to do so. But indirectly manipulating Tamil Nadu (as he always did) to force India to demand Sri Lanka to stop the war.

Tamils chauvinism has created the hell with 20 million Sri Lankans and few millions Tamils in taml Nadu.

Who is powerful ? Maniac Prabakaran? India, Tamil Nadu? Or Sri Lanka I think it’s brain washed suicide bomber…..

Moshe Dyan said...

sujeewa,

some interesting questions. will ponder over them.

Moshe Dyan said...

sam,

i fell for it; deleted my post. shouldn't have responded to this joker.

thanks, mate. very alert.

it's like.....(about karuna-nidi)

"unge karuna nidi unaata, ape karuna naegitala!!"

උදාන said...

උංගෙ කරුණා නිදි උනාට ඇපේ කරුණා නැගිටලා.
ha ha ha
Good one mate...

Moshe Dyan said...

□□□□□ said, □□□□□□□□□□□□□□□□□□□!!

what in the weird, mate?


t. douglas,

2 possibilities.

1. MS is wrong - fantastic. end of the matter.

2. MS is right. 100s of SLDFs have died. so what? did they die in vain? definetely not. they probably killed an equal or more number of tigers. that means we are closer to a solution.

according to most generous estimates, LTTE has about 20,000. but according to them, 22,000 have died SO FAR. the army has lost 22,000 also but with a total strength of 200,000.

so still its worth it.

LTTE now started calling the war a GENOCIDAL WAR. so who is winning and who is losing????????

Unknown said...

Kilali LTTE FDLs under attack :-)

Pansilu said...

Rana,

“You used to be the musical director cum "veena" expert for celestial or heavenly bodies.

What are you doing here by picking earthlings?”

At present people are not showing much interest on music but natural or man made calamities. So, I study human nature and behaviour towards disasters, conflicts and struggles of all types.

“I can't understand, can you elaborate, how I confuse others? for me to reply.”

If you are kind enough to read back your posts on defence matters, politics, humanity, literature, challenges, apologies and poems, you will understand my word “confuse others”.

“you come here, once in a while and trying to stir others, not a good practice for your own health!!”

I do not trying to stir any but trying to understand behaviour patterns of certain individuals.
My health is personal and bit reluctant to discuss it.

cheers

Pansilu said...

Sam Perera,

“Care to elaborate what you say? Lip services for whom?”

You seem to be patronising some trivial statements from selected few while ignoring similar statements from others. You also exhibiting subservient role to same selected few.

These qualities are interesting to study, please do not feel like a guinea-pig but try and help me to understand inner reasons for such behaviours.

Every other thing you have stated is normal and shows stronger inner self than most of others.

I am not grading anybody. I study bloggers because people behave differently in blogs or they rather tend to release very personal matters from deep down due to anonymity.

cheers

Pansilu said...

Moshe,

It seems you have deleted your reply! That shows you have inner fears of loosing status and getting isolated. If you do not like to respond to my query, that is fine. Still your posts betray you by exhibiting strong fear of social rejection.

"samahara karunala negitala hitiyata baya unahama hangenawa wagema samahara eva dekke nethiwa wage pennanawa. okata api kiyanne nivata kama kiyala"

Rana said...

All right, now we have a shrinker too, last thing, we want!

"muu ape redith galola balaida danne ne"

Pansilu,

Can you give us a good write up on wijayapala's psyche?

Moshe Dyan said...

mariyakade,

"Kilali LTTE FDLs under attack"

so my last evening's prediction has come to pass within less than 12 hours.

thanks for the info, mate.

but now my puzzle is becoming even more intriguing!!!

kilali - highest advance
muha - some advance
naga - no advance

this gives the (SW to NE) K-M-N axis a strange shape which got to have some strategic implication, i think.

i may be wrong.

care to shed some light, mate??

Sam Perera said...

pansilu the nitwit,

This is not a place for your nonsense. I suggest you stop acting doofus here. If you want to discuss SL defence issues, then talk that. Otherwise, please feel free to go forth and engage procreative acts with your self.

Rana said...

Moshe,

I think west of the jaffna neck is attacked by arti from Periya Paranthan side where 58 is currently operating. This gives an advantage to our Kilali front.

Nagar Kovil is in constant danger of amphibious attack and the strip is too open and narrow to progress.

SLAF must do heavy bombing to penetrate sand bunkers. Air force normal bombing is not effective, we need bunker bombs. From the pictures we see their bunkers can easily withstand our ariel bombardments.

However, I think 58 could have gone to Paranthan by now but bad weather is against it.

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

G’Day all (except monkeys’ lol)!

Rana: “All right, now we have a shrinker too, last thing, we want!” lol

But I like them! Why? Because, we, SL’ns had the most colorful and practical Shrinks of all time. We call them “ Gurunnanse” or “Yaka Dura”! Thowile and Bali Thowil and Yaga Homa.. Yes down south had the best of them! Love it!

Finally something I like to talk about, “study human nature and behaviour”.

Pansilu said...” I study human nature and behaviour towards disasters, conflicts and struggles of all types.”

Pansilu, r u a Shrink? Anyway, If ur fairdinkum then, can u assess my posts and give me a feedback? Good or bad , no prob! Just for a change anyway! And yes, try give us Wijayapla’s assessment too!

Rana said...

Amma G/G,

Morning buddy!

//can u assess my posts and give me a feedback? Good or bad , no prob! Just for a change anyway!//

Are you mad? shrinkers are not gurunanse's or yakadura's but unstable individuals who think whole world is full of mentally sick people.

Saman said...

Rana, Moshe

Yes, our constitution amended to include, during JRJs (second term I guess), to safeguard territorial integrity (bhawmica akandathawaya) and unitary status of the country (akeiya bhawaya). Here is the background, I presume all of you know.

1. TULF (Anandasagaree included), who first sold the separate state concept to Tamils, became the first ever “mono ethnic” opposition of our country through that mandate. If any one who says there was no separatist movement is lying. That was thanks to JRJ’s short sighted domestic politics where SRDB’s civil rights were taken. Simply put, in politics, if/when you create a political vacuum some-one would sure to fill it.
2. When the separatist movement gained momentum - political voice through TULF supplant by various terror groups including LTTE – JRJ brought this amendment. TULF was asked to give oath. TULF vacate their seats making their constituents unrepresented in the parliament (i.e. no democratic representation of Tamils – Anandasagaree Included). In many forums, I heard this was one of the biggest blunders of democratic world.
3. As it goes, in politics, if one creates a political vacuum – sure it will be filled by some one. This time pendulum swung and armed insurrection rooted. Rest is history.

All TN MF’s gave that oath taking the office and perks yet shamelessly on an act of treason. MR and GoSL do not want to repeat the JRJ blunder as yet I guess. But rest assured, when Kili and Mulle gone table will turn. After all – the appointments of Karuna, Pilleyan and tolerating TN MF’s treason by GoSL are all part of the puzzle.

I also want to get to another point in this explanation. That is why Anandasagaree’s name was deliberately highlighted. Wijayapala accepted, responding to my direct question, he is anti every thing else but pro-Anandasagaree. Anandasagaree is advocating for a structure similar to Indian model, which is even beyond federal models we see in the west.

Now let me quote from an article by Wijeyawikrema (Sep-2007) in the Sri Lankan Gardian. Title was, Mr. Anandasagaree’s latest Plea – Is it reasonable”. In this, author exposes some inherent styles and terminologies, which propagate “fair and just political solution”. What Moshe vehemently termed as “non-violent separatism”, I and few others believe “Wijayapala” propagates too, behind a smoke screen of “knowledge transfer”.


Quote

“ because of subjective (internal mind) issues inherent in terms such as “fairness”, “justice” and “consciousness” , I wish to ask Mr. Anandasagaree an objective (external to the inner mind) question. Does his plea pass the “reasonableness” test.”

Unquote.

In a similar fashion I have asked a similar question from “Wijeyapala” for objective answer. “What are the instruments available to us to defuse 1000’s years of prejudice and accumulated hurt”. I got an answer. Firstly, question was given a great spin – it’s very simple…not 1000s years…”. Secondly, he has used exactly the tactical word “RACISM” to create a smoke screen as the above author has described not to give an answer which would pass the “reasonableness” test.

Rana, I took time to write this to make a plea to you. You got to value my time Brother. Please look out for this “smoke screen” which distorted tamil historians bring forward as trickery. The objective is “non-violent separatism”. TULF (including Anandasagaree) had set this up in 1977. Luckily for the country LTTE screwed it come 2009. Anandasagaree in large, his ally Wijeyapala in his own way here attempting to re-establish it. I re-confirm my view about this man/woman

He wants nothing but separatism. But served on a platter. Can’t bear people getting killed because he is a humanitarian.

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

Morning Rana, how r u going?

“Are you mad? shrinkers are not gurunanse's or yakadura's but unstable individuals who think whole world is full of mentally sick people.”

Not a bad assessment! : ))

Put it this way, I am like “Curious George”! Ha ha yeh.. I love information, different things and humor! I get bored very quickly and move into other things, so I need to collect and absorb things very fast! I am like black hole (not a ars@hole ha ha ) when it comes to “things”!

That’s why I don’t like die-ass-pora clown’s repeating same thing ex. Navindran seeya, Peter, StoneDickLover ect ect because I am already bored with what they have to say/said and going to say tomorrow!

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

Saman, RE: ur post to Rana/Moshe
This must be ur best post ever! If u want to counter-argue Wijayapala’s argument, then this is how u should do it! good one!

I am eagerly waiting for Wijayapala’s reply to this! Should be a cracker! And hopefully Wijayapala will tell us why he don’t talk about Muslim brothers in SL!

Very interesting!

Rana said...

Saman,

If my memory is correct, wijayapala said in black and white "he is against seperatism".

Can you remember it? Now he is also soft on Anandasangaree but that does not mean he is a pro-seperatist!

Both Devananda and Ananadasangaree are helping GOSL and openly condemn LTTP but whether they will get what they want is not clear yet.

I think most probably both of them will be successful in short term basis but on long term they will be kicked out by the people from both sides.

wijayapala said...

Saman,

"1. How did our native defence capabilities lose against the European invaders?

Colonial powers were no match to South Indian invasions. Not only Sri Lankan native defence mechanisms failed against them but many other native defence mechanisms around the world (Africa, Asia included).
"

You didn't answer my question- I didn't ask who else was defeated by the Europeans, or the effect of colonial system on Sri Lanka's martial traditions.

The Europeans conquered many far away places despite being heavily outnumbered by the Asians, Africans etc. That experience in itself teaches the lesson that fielding large ground forces (i.e. Ananda-USA idea) alone is inadequate for a post-colonial state to defend itself from outside aggression. The Europeans used "force multipliers" such as control over the sea and superior organization and tactics to defeat armies 100s of times their size.

The difference between a 1st World military and a 3rd World military hasn't changed in the last 200-300 years (with some exceptions in the mid-20th century). The 1st World military is relatively small but highly effective whereas the 3rd World military is large but usually not very effective (again there have been some striking exceptions such as the People's Army of Vietnam which thrashed the US superpower). Although we cannot and should not ape the West, we should strive for quality and not quantity.

That is why SL should have a smaller military after the LTTE is defeated. More resources can be used to maintain the current high quality of the SLA soldier, and to improve our SLN & SLAF "force multipliers."

"2. How come we have not already done so (defence capabilities as a high priority)?

Well, defence capabilities of every being are developed according to demand.
"

That is true, but we certainly had a demand for a stronger military from 1983 to 2005. We didn't get a strong military because we had incompetent leadership. Things are very different now, **but it is still extremely important to note the limitations under which our current high-quality leadership are operating under.**

Again if we want to make our main business/industry defense, it will have to be a high quality (not merely high quantity) business. A great part of that process will require economic development, but ***we will not achieve that if the military is handed the sole or major task of development.***

I gave some links to show how increased military spending tends to retard economic growth:

Military Expenditure and Growth in Less Developed Countries

Guns versus Butter: A Multisectoral Approach to Military Expenditure and Growth with Evidence from Greece, 1960-1993

PAKISTAN FOR SALE- Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy

"I do not want you to white-wash or involve in my dealings with him any more. I am resourceful enough to determine by my self. Please stay aside when I write to him."

Some here are concerned that what I write is causing bloggers to fight each other. If that is the case then all that the anti-Wijes have to do to prevent this is direct their anger at only me, and not those who stand up for me.

For those who are not anti-Wije, I appreciate your standing up for me but I can stand on my own. This is not a "chandiya" situation because no dumbass here can physically threaten me- they can only make dumbasses out of themselves.

Rana said...

Amma G/G,

The way you have written your last post is very confusing. Can you clear the clouds to grasp the core.

Moshe Dyan said...

saman,

spot on. but i wish not to discuss about wb anymore until required.

more on non-violent seperatism....

mate, the vadukoddai resolution was passed in 1976. like you correctly said, the LTTE screw things up in style! the anger of ananda singari is very much understandable.

the federal (whatever name it uses) is very intersting. just think a federal structure is created.

1. the north will still be mono-ethnic. like the TULF!
(BTW TULF stands for TAMIL, i mean TAMIL TAMIL TAMIL TAMIL TAMIL united liberation front. in simple terms a "front" for racial liberation.)

2. there will be elections.

3. who will win the election? who else? either TAMIL congress, TAMIL national party, Tamil united liberation front, TAMIL national alliance or liberation tigers of TAMIL elam!

will this pattern change? NO. why should it.

4. ok. now all T craps are in it. what is their first priority?

what was the priority of all the T parties before? one thing. tamil elam!

5. now they have a starting point and a foundation, they will work towards tamil elam. land powers, police powers, more of this, more of that, what not???

6. they will have CLOWNS just across the sea to support them too!


OTOH ananda singari is trying his best to get back to parliament. ppl rejected him in 2004. now he is trying to go to them like santa claus with unassembled tamil elam in his bag!

however, his anti-LTTE work should be used to screww the LTTE as long as possible. hopefully by the time his services are no longer required, he will kick the bucket!

if he doesn't.....that will be his bad luck

let me repeat the phrase that pissed-off wesapala. ANADA SINGARI IS A CUNNING BASTARD! but he is dealing with more than a "kitten" from across the "benthara river" who knows each individual's "potential" VERY WELL.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Wijayapala,
Well done bro. Your last post had no smugness or splitting.
Way to go.

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

Moshe, Sam, Rana, AGG etc.

I love you bros. Give us a group hug.

Pansilu: interpret that!

He's no shrink. He's just an academic (naughty boy- spank spank).

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...

No sign of monkeys......
Soooo... I'll pick on a brother

Kutti, you disturb me. You should find a nice Maldivian girl (delicious!) and settle down in Wellawatte. Watch a few Rambo DVD's for old times sake, visit the boys at the local Thabaruma (pub), play some snooker, come back home and get a massage from the cutie. Cuddle the kids. And listen to Satchmo's "What a wonderful World".

Here's a link to the lyrics:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/louis+armstrong/what+a+wonderful+world_20085347.html

Here is the last verse:

"I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
*spoken*(you know their gonna learn
A whole lot more than Ill never know)
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself .......what a wonderful world."

Relax brother. You can afford to let anyone into your backyard as long as they don't try and screw you. After this war nobody will be game enough in SL.

Amma Gahai/Gahawi said...

MayilRavana මයිල් රාවන said...
Moshe, Sam, Rana, AGG etc.

I love you bros. Give us a group hug.

lol…good to c some loving!!! I love u too Mayil…. Ha ha ha

CASC said...

The Nation,

http://www.nation.lk/2008/12/07/nationindex.htm


Unsung war hero

It must be said that one of the key reasons for the LTTE suing for peace and declaring a unilateral ceasefire in 2001 was the terrible toll the deep penetration units of the Army led by officers of the caliber of Lt. Col. Jayasinghe were exacting from the LTTE leadership.

His last rites were performed in Avissawella last Monday amidst one of the largest gathering of mourners ever seen in that town. What was most significant was that a large number of Tamil estate workers were among the mourners

Last Sunday we were the first English language newspaper to announce the death of war hero Maj. Lalith Jayasinghe (posthumously promoted to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel). He was killed in action on November 26, while taking part in a daring deep penetration operation behind enemy lines, with a seven man team some 28 kilometres north of Oddusudan.
The LTTE web sites have already announced that Lt. Col. Jayasinghe was the officer responsible for killing a number of their top leaders in daring operations, including founder of the Sea Tigers and its air wing Col. Shanker (alias Sornalingam) in September 2001, its intelligence leader Charles killed in January this year, and Sea Tiger Deputy Leader Kangai Amaran in June 2001.
It must be said that one of the key reasons for the LTTE suing for peace and declaring a unilateral ceasefire in 2001 was the terrible toll the deep penetration units of the Army led by officers of the caliber of Lt. Col. Jayasinghe were exacting from the LTTE leadership.
His last rites were performed in Avissawella last Monday amidst one of the largest gathering of mourners ever seen in that town. What was most significant was that a large number of Tamil estate workers were among the mourners.
Though Lt. Col. Jayasinghe struck fear into the Tiger leadership with his daring attacks, with ordinary Tamils amidst whom his family lived in Avissawella, he was a very popular figure. His father is the estate clerk of Farnham Estate. In this estate out of 460 families, their family was one of only ten Sinhala families there, all others being Tamil. When ever he came home, he would give a ride in his vehicle to any estate employee found walking, despite him being a gazetted officer.
Lt. Col. Jayasinghe’s brother is also in the Special Forces and had been just discharged from hospital after recovering from a battle field injury, and on his way to the battle-field once again, when this tragic news was received.

Risking
The two brothers had been risking their lives for the country on numerous occasions; yet anyone visiting Lt. Col Jayasinghe’s house easily realises he had not made anything for himself, for he and his recently married wife, who is now five months pregnant. lived in a modest rented house.
From his father’s EPF funds he had managed to buy a half a building plot and he had mortgaged that half to a bank to buy the other half. When he got married ten months ago, they had tried to renovate the estate house given to his father as his quarters for the wedding, but the Estate Superintendent had objected to any improvements.
We reproduce below excerpts of the report on Lt. Col Jayasinghe given by his American Course officer after he successfully completed the Infantry Officers’ Basic Course (IOBC) at Ft Benning Georgia, USA, having been handpicked for it by Army Commander Lt. Gen Fonseka.
“Capt Lalith performed exceptionally well, bringing credit to both himself and his country and earning the respect of his peers. CPT Lalith was a remarkable student. He is the most physically fit international student I have had the pleasure of working with. Additionally, he volunteered to compete in the company ‘Iron Man’ competition where he was placed 10th out of the 34 toughest lieutenants in the company.

Dedication
“His dedication and commitment to his profession were evidenced by his superior work ethic. . He always looked for ways to improve himself, his peers, and his Army, upon returning. CPT Lalith excelled in all phases of the course. This was evidenced by his outstanding performance in several leadership positions during platoon operations. He passed the Army Physical Fitness Test, placed 10th out of 156 lieutenants during the 5 mile run, and also placed in the top 10 during the company 2.5 mile equipment run. Throughout the course CPT Laith shared his experience with his peers and aided their development as leaders.
“It has been an honour being CPT Lalith’s instructor and I would proudly serve with him as an ally in the future, and enjoy learning from him.
I highly recommend CPT Lalith for further attendance at U.S. Army Schools “.

Best course reports
Retired Brigadier C.S.N.B. Mudannayake, who is now employed by the US embassy in Colombo, and who had a hand in selecting Jayasinghe for the Ft Benning course, told his friends in an e-mail that in his 11 years of defence work at the embassy, Jayasinghe came back with one of the best course reports he had seen during that entire period.
Brig Mudannayake who attended the funeral on Monday said the entire Awissawella town was shut down by the public as a mark of respect to this brave officer.

****

Rana said...

Saman,

People who cry for seperate independent state think they are not served properly by the united govt. Look at What happened in SL for last 60 years, our leaders ruined the country from 1960. Not only tamils even sinhalese and muslims are desperate to have a positive change. JVP struggles are good examples. LTTE is also became even partially successful due to same lethargy repeatedly shown bu our govts.

Sinhalese do not think about separatism because already the govt is theirs.

However, tamils and muslims might think they can do better (Efficient and free from corruption), if they seperate.

I myself came out of SL about 20 years ago because the country is steadily going down, most tamils and muslims also did same.

However, other who cannot do that due to obvious reasons are unhappy and become prey to third parties with sinister plots.

Saman said...

Rana,

/If my memory is correct, wijayapala said in black and white "he is against seperatism"./

You are correct my brother.

This nationed is fucked by many "daweal megel ra daniels".

Our Sinhala bastereds included.

Saman said...

Moshe,

In short, what I am getting at my brother,

We must reject (by covert or overt operations) the old Tamil politics (no names mentioned) - SORRY. And strive for (by covert or overt operations)in breading of new generaration of Tamil politicians we never had to have. Less than 4% N&E Tamil politicians and re-colanisation would do splendidly well. If Jayaraj, Kadiragarmer were alive......I wonder. I do not trust any party with an "E" in front(EPDP) or "T" (TULF)in front or to that matter "J" (JHU) in front. I like "U" althought they are further from the promise (UNP, UPFA).

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Rana, Moshe,

Glad ppl discuss matters other than wijepala.

I also think that what I coined as "ground realities" is the prime reason for the odd shape in K-M-N line. But did you notice, if we move further on K-M line, say upto Pallai, N can be attacked across the inner lagoon from behind. If so they better have evacuated from N. Also, all the important targets (including EPS camp and A9) are situated along K-M line.

Rana, I think there is something more than weather for the dealy of Paranthan. I think its close proximity to kili makes it hard to retain w/o fall of Kili. I have a feeling that someone has to come around Kili in the end. Don't have lots of hopes for Para in near future.

Intersting again, to see what happens with TF4. Their expertise and orientation suggest us that they will provide another front for Nedunkerni/Oddusudan. Perhaps they can head towards Mula later and give a chance for TF3 to join shoulders with Iranamadu flank of 57th.

Last one, I think, is gonna circumnavigate the Kili+IDP regions, making it do or die for Kili-cats. Divaina reported that 57th is ready to take south of Iranamadu tank. WOW.

First we had to clean the west of the pussycat den. Then we targeted specific locations. Now I think the order of day is to break it into pieces.

I like the way how the general thinks. Most importantly the strategies that cannot be guessed easily. Fatpig and pussycats have gotten absolutely overwhelmed almost every time.

Saman said...

Rana bro,

/People who cry for seperate independent state think they are not served properly by the united govt. Look at What happened in SL for last 60 years, our leaders ruined the country from 1960./

In politics, solution has never been directly responding to the course.

Hitler wanted pure German Aryan world. World did not give it to them. Trotsky, Marx Lenin thought world would be communist by now. did not happen.

You must dismantle existing political views to progress. Especially if those are propaergated through violance. tamilss seperatism, Muslim fundermentalism will have the same fate if we (true believers) hold tight.

I better shut-up now. After half a bottle red my friend.

Saman said...

Amma/G/G

Thanks bro. Yes, I some times go overboard. Not always. I will now on address or reject the openion but not the person.

BTW: We must catch up for a drink mate. I am not two far from you. Only 2 hrs flight - No I was kidding.

Gringo said...

i UN official in a rebel-held area of northern Sri Lanka has said that conditions for displaced people there are "as basic as in Somalia".

John Campbell, from the World Food Programme (WFP), told the BBC Sinhala service that conditions were "as basic as can be" and "much less than ideal".
]

That's why our leaders have launched a massive humanitarian mission to RESCUE the folks held hostage by a band of Tamil terrorists.

We are succeeding... don't ya see?

wijayapala said...

Saman, there's a bit missing from your history.

JR's constitution was not designed to safeguard Sri Lanka's unitary status- the proof of that is the 13th Amendment which established the Indian-backed North-East Provincial Council. The fact that JR made Amirthalingam the head of the opposition demonstrates that he did not consider the TULF to be a serious threat to Sri Lanka (and it wasn't) compared to the leftists.

1. TULF and its predecessor ITAK were not very serious about separatism. As I told Peter, the 1977 Vaddukkoddai Resolution was primarily intended to gain Tamil votes. In that sense it was very similar to "Sinhala-Only," a gimmick which was intended to create a virtually Sinhala mono-ethnic bloc but in reality did not fully implement a Sinhala language policy in government.

2. From 1977 the separatist movement did not make much headway- the Tamil politicians and intellectuals talked about it a lot but didn't do much. To reiterate my point, the LTTE only had about 30 members when Black July happened.

The main driver behind Tamil separatism was the use of force against Tamils, whether police action under Mrs. B or armed thugs by JR. Mrs. B's use of police did not affect the entire Tamil population but JR's chandiya approach sure did.

Here is a 1972 speech made by Kasi Anandan, then of the TULF but now an LTTE bootlicker:

"Mr. Duraiappah (SLFP mayor of Jaffna later murdered by Prabakaran), Mr. Subramaniam, Mr. Arumpalam, and Mr. Anandasangari are enemies of the Tamil nation. They do not deserve a natural death, nor to die in an accident. The Tamil people, especially the youth, must decide how they should die."

As you can see, Anandasangaree even back then courted death threats from the Tamil nationalists because he did not support separatism. Your accusation that he was a separatist (peaceful or otherwise) rings hollow.

"Anandasagaree is advocating for a structure similar to Indian model, which is even beyond federal models we see in the west."

Indian federalism is quite a bit more centralized than western federations. The President can dismiss state governments and impose President's Rule. Indian devolution has a considerable "Concurrent List" of powers shared by the central and state governments in theory, but usually held by Delhi. State bureaucrats are often drawn from national cadre.

In any case, I am pro-Anandasangaree not because of his political vision of Indian-style federalism, which I do not agree with, but because he has the courage to talk with the Sinhalese (even though some of them like yourself and Mushe spit in his face) while opposing the LTTE. He does not make threats if people do not listen to him.

In other words he is someone you can talk to, which is more than I can say about the Sinhala nationalist Dumb-Arses in this blog and elsewhere.

Moshe Dyan said...

casc,

thanks for sharing the newspaper report.

there should be a better way to fight this war.

with your knowledge what do you think of the MSTAR ground surveillance radar? with the tracking range of 42km, i recon it can revolutionise the war.

Moshe Dyan said...

mayilravana,

love you too.

C. Coin said...

see how the intelligent people in tamilandu behaves.. (pls be warned of extreme violent content)they definitely are a very superior race.
disgusting!
http://rcpt.yousendit.com/632916586/03cf780a7236a85e15c3f6816fe4e202

Gringo said...

[Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich stands accused of trying to sell the president-elect's vacant U.S. Senate seat for financial and other personal benefits for himself and his wife, among other charges.
]

he he he

LTTE coolies... take careful note about what's going around the world... No place / government / official is ALL-PERFECT... Wherever you are you come across these situations...and Sri Lanka is no exception.

We just IGNORE your complaints to foreigners about us... How the fkuc can these countries advise us, unless they are intoxicated?


You MUST accept our Sri Lankan way of life, the leadership, culture, religions, customs... however ugly, strange, bizzare or whatever... they are.

NOTHING SPECIAL ON TODAY'S MENU... because YOU are an ethnic Tamil.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

We will correct our short-comings as we progress... together as a nation.

Asithri said...

I see when the Cat is away, the mice fuck the tortoise! LMSSAO!

Wesaballa

[stop blaming the Tamils for being the cause of terrorism]

Wow! Wow indeed!

Still harping on 1983 as the cause of Tamil Terrorism? Yes, looks the motherfcuker has a severe delusional disorder!

Well, not surprised as it is typical of an undercover Tamil racist whore-bitch!

Here is a brief excerpt from writings by Prof. Nalin de Silva that amply clarifies that Tamil racism and the grand design for a “Tamil homeland” very well pre-existed even 1956 (the period of much maligned “Sinhela Language” act), leave along 1983!:

[(February 01, Colombo, Sri Lanka Guardian)

The first phase of Tamil racism baptised by the British, commenced in 1833 with the appointment of one representative each to represent the Sinhalas, Tamils and Burghers. With that the British equated more than two thousand three hundred years of Sinhala history with a continuous history of Tamils in Sri Lanka that did not extend for more than two hundred years. They also equated more than seventy five percent of the population of Sinhala people with less than ten percent of Tamils.

They had no regard for the unique culture that the Sinhalas had created in this country over a period of more than two thousand three hundred years and as far as they were concerned, that culture did not have a weightage more than that was given to Tamil culture that was nothing but a continuation of Tamil culture in the Malabar coast from where the Dutch imported Tamils for their tobacco cultivation. The first phase of Tamil racism in Sri Lanka lasted till about 1947. The Tamil leadership was Tamil Hindu Vellala and they tried to manipulate at that centre (Legislative Assembly until 1931 and then the State Council) and have political power over the entire country. The Tamil racist leadership wanted more representation for them than for the Sinhalas at the centre and in this they were assisted by the British.

Three infamous incidents out of many during this period were the demanding of a Tamil representative for the western province by Mr. Ponnambalam Arunachalam and the others in 1917, the opposition to universal franchise by Mr. Ponnambalam Ramanathan and the others around 1929, and the demanding of fifty fifty representation by Mr. GG Ponnambalam in the forties. Universal franchise was opposed by Tamil racist leadership as it would have given more representation to the Sinhala people in the state council.

During this period the Tamil racists coined the concept of a “Tamil Nation” with a history of more than three thousand years in Sri Lanka. In this exercise as well, they were assisted by the British and were influenced by the mythical history as given in Yalpanam Vaipava Malai written by a Tamil poet who had been "commissioned" by the Dutch. While the Tamil Hindu Vellala leadership in Colombo was fighting against the Sinhalas to deprive Sinhalathva its rightful place in the country, in Jaffna the Vellalas maintained the repressive regime against the less privileged casts.]

Need I say more? Again nice try Wesaballa (this time trying to absolve the early Tamil racist bitches like GG Ponna, Ponna Rama, Ponna Aruna, Chelva, etc. of having given birth to Tamil Terrorism!) …Yep motherfcuker, go utter your cover-up story to a blade of grass!

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asithri

p.s. I have posted this excerpt on an earlier occasion too…and I will post it again for another trillion times if need be, until I castrate this undercover Tamil racist bitch hiding under “Wijayapla” for good…LMSSAO!!!

wijayapala said...

Pansilu,

You seem to have gotten a fan club with your psychoanalysis. Accept my congratulations.

"you must be a tamil speaking muslim to attack tamils and sinhalese at the same time."

No I'm not Muslim. I wrote a nasty message to Mohammed Zubair once, but now I get the feeling he's not really a Muslim.

"Can you say something about SL muslims? and their average position regarding the present conflict?"

First I will duck your question by expressing my puzzlement over Kaati's beliefs. If Kaati comes from Jaffna or even the Wanni then it would be hard to understand his anti-Muslim position given that the Muslims were a pretty small minority in the north and were generally integrated with Tamil society. If Kaati's an easterner (or maybe even from Mannar) then I would understand better.

My opinion of SL Muslims is that they're much better than most other Muslims out there. I once had a Muslim friend and asked him whether he believes that non-Muslims go to hell when they die. I asked him that to give him a hard time. He responded that only snobs go to hell. So not only did he answer my question but hit back pretty well!

There is a theory that if the Europeans did not conquer SL, the population would've followed the Malaysian/Indonesian example and eventually converted to Islam.

Moshe Dyan said...

SF's interview, a must read, no excuses

Asithri said...

Wesaballa said:

[Both analyses give a similar picture, indicating that present-day Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka are closer to Indian Tamils and South Indian Muslims. They are farthest from Veddahs and quite distant from Gujaratis and Punjabis of northwest India and Bengalis of northeast India..]

Wow! Really!

Nevermind the fact that it is universally established that Sinhela’s language is an indo-arya language from North India, a language in the same language tree and even more specifically, in the same tree-node that contains Hindi, Marathi, Gujarati, Punjabi, etc…, this undercover Tamil racist gook thinks otherwise (by presenting a few dubious links to his type of “rewrite history to suit your agenda” mission)…

Hey filthy undercover Tamil racist sakkiliya…how is your mother? She misses humble OaOA?

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asithri

Ananda-USA said...

Guys,

The TNA is preparing to keep the pot boiling after the LTTE is defeated (see Daily Mirror article below).

That is the next war, we should be preparing to fight and win, on the basis that an an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Preparation and Organization should be our watchwords.

Also, there are some people busily debunking the need for the post-war 500,000 man SLDF and the 4,000,000 strong National Guard, including all adults able to bear arms, that I had previously proposed, as unnecesary and too costly. They advocate a small high-tech army.

While a high-tech component is needed to confront conventional forces in the modern age, the most pressing future problem in Sri Lanka will be to prevent the re-emgergence of an internal insurgency, where small groups of terrorists can destabilize the country. We have already had an object lesson in how that was done in Sri Lanka, using a combination of terrorist and political strategies, against a numerically small ill-equipped SL Army.

As the US Army found out in Iraq, and before that in Vietnam, a solely high-tech approach will not work in that situation. You need many boots on the ground, and those boots must be from people who live and work in the area.

General Shinseki, former US Army Chief of Staff, recommended a much larger (300,000) invasion force for Iraq, taking into account the need to maintain security in Iraq after the defeat of Saddam's forces. Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was a man on a mission with a vision; a vision that the US Army needed to be more high-tech, much smaller in size and lower in cost, quite independently of the type of war it would have to fight. He fired Shinseki for daring to question his vision that his round hi-tech peg could easily cope with even a low-tech insurgency. Rumsfeld, ignoring the lessons of the Vietnam war, could not back down from his previous pontifical pronouncements; we all know the resulting debacle in Iraq.

The main lesson of the French attempt to re-establish colinial dominance in Vietnam, that ended in abject defeat at Dien Bien Phu, and the following disastrous US intervention in Vietnam are:

1. The strategy of holding the towns with large bases while leaving the surrounding countryside to a gureilla style enemy is doomed to fail; the conflict is essentially low-tech and needs many troops at the village level.

2. Use of high-tech highly destructive stand-off weapons against a guerilla force hiding among civilians is counterproductive in that it alienates the people;

3. Information gathering and intelligence acquired at the village level is essential.

4. No safe havens should be available to the enemy within the country.

5. Protection of the borders of the country against infiltration and the influx of weapons is essential.


All of these requirements dictate the need to have a very large SLA, having a high-tech capability against conventional enemies, a large omnipresent low-tech capability against internal insurgencies based on a comined SLA-National Guard, and high-tech naval and air forces, and a coast guard, to protect the borders of the country.

The problem cannot be solved by a foreign army based only in the major towns or which ultimately has to go home. Fortunately, the SLA is not a foreign army that has to go anywhere, where ever they are based in Sri Lanka; they are the native people of Sri Lanka. The SLA forces can be based in small units everywhere in the countryside. Their families should be settled in those localities, form a segment of the local population, and contribute to the local economy. Their families should be part of the National Guard, and as tensions subside, include people drawn from the local people of the area.

The ultimate goal, should be to create an ethnically homogeneous population throughout the country, one that thinks and acts as one people.

In addition to these capabilities required to defend against internal enemies, a part of the SLDF should have additional high-tech advanced capabilities to defend against external enemies. THe problem is, being a very small country in a strategic highly-prized location in the world, our enemies are likely to be much larger. Therefore, like Switzerland facing Hitler's Germany, or Israel facing the Arab world, or Taiwan facing the People's Republic of China, we need a very large, defense organization that is always prepared to defend the country.

There are some people who argue that the cost of such a defense establishment would be too high. This is not necessarily true. There are many ways by which the SLDA can be set up as an economic asset to the country instead of an economic burden. Furthermore, Sri Lanka badly needs an organized enduring means of inculcating patriotism, and allegiance to a single Sri Lankan identity, among the people. What better way is there to do that, than to include as active stakeholders all of the people of the country in its defence? Let service in the nation's armed forces be a sought after Red Badge of Courage and Honour in civilian life as well, yielding tangible benefits such as preference in employment. Let the SLDF be the engine that trains people in dual-use military and civilian skills, and undertakes cutting-edge dual-use research. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (US-DARPA) performs a like function for the US, giving birth to the Internet and to the GPS satellite based navigation systems, to mention but a few of its many contributions to the economy of the US.

In the final analysis, I ask, what price would you pay to preserve the freedom of our motherland, and ensure that the thousands of our honored dead have not sacrificed their lives in vain?

"Dulce Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori"!

Ananda-USA

[TNA scoffs at victory in war
Daily Mirror, Sri Lanka newspaper

The Tamil National Alliance (TNA) yesterday admitted in parliament that the security forces had captured areas which were earlier under LTTE control but insisted war was not the solution.
TNA parliamentarian N. Srikantha said his party regreted if anyone rejoiced after climbing half way up the well.

He said it would be possible for the security forces to capture Kilinochchi or destroy the LTTE leadership but it would not end the problem.

“Even if you gain control over every inch of land held by the LTTE, the problem will remain until the root cause that is at the bottom of it all is not addressed,” he said.

Mr. Srikantha said there were examples found in other parts of the world, where oppressed people rose up to win their rights.

TNA

“If you do not address the real problem, even future generations will rise up for our people’s rights,” he said.

Mr. Srikantha referred to the LTTE’s willingness to agree for a ceasefire and requested the government to consider the possibility of resolving this longstanding ethnic conflict through negotiations.

“Don’t think we are making this request from a weak position,” he said. ]

FUTURE TECH said...

Rana,

You are absolutely right..

Asithri said...

Ninja

[Ha Ha Peelaam in pink alert...]

Wow! Now pray tell me brother…is it “pink alert” because Velupillai Parayakaran finally decided to come out of the closet and admit his “boyfriend” Pottagey Ammata?

LMSSAO!!!

OaO Asithri

Asithri said...

OK time to go hump the cows dressed in red and yellow...

Gawd, the things I do in the interest of "ethnic harmony" on planet Mars! LMSSAO!!!

Catch you patriots later...

OaO Asithri

Gayansphotography said...

Dear patriots.....

I see a lot of patriot talk here, and in between I see lots of referance to NFL matches, foreign holidays etc etc , that makes me assume that most (not all) of the voiciforous patriotic bloggers here are actualy not in sri lanka at this moment.

Well I have a question... If the war ends will you guys come back and help develope the country?
(eg- will Ananda-USA become Ananda-Sri Lanka ??)....

Saman said...

Ananda-USA,

Saying the same, I got in to hot water lately. Good one. I said we must acquire all the attributes of a BEE. I touched few nerves.

Small (mean a small country), fast means – technologically and intelligence wise smart, sting - means act upon provocation and decisive – violent or non-violent. If not provocated happy in provide honey for nourishment.

You have and many others were advocating the same. Some one said we must be the Israel in South Asia. Well done.

Ananda-USA said...

Rana,

You said....

[However, tamils and muslims might think they can do better (Efficient and free from corruption), if they seperate.]

For various reasons, minorities always think they can do better.

The example of Tamil Nadu, compared to Sri Lanka, says clearly that being Tamil does not translate into greater success.

The example of Pakistan, compared to Sri Lanka, also says the same thing.

On the other hand, given all of Sri Lanka's faults, it has achieved 95% literacy, equal status for men and women, eliminated caste discrimination, achived a per capita income that is 4 x South Asian avg. income, and many other enlightened progressive things, despite coping with a 35 year long terrorist struggle for half of its life as a newly independent nation.

How many other countries, emerging from 150 years of colonization, have done as well as Sri Lanka? Remember, most people of Sri Lanka were illiterate in 1948 (34 % literacy), dirt poor and landless.

I can think of very few countries: South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, and marginally Malaysia, that make the grade.

So, my question is, why should we believe that if Tamils and Muslims had separate states they would have dome better, even without a war to hinder them?

Ananda-USA said...

ThoughtfulGuy said...


[Dear patriots.....

I see a lot of patriot talk here, and in between I see lots of referance to NFL matches, foreign holidays etc etc , that makes me assume that most (not all) of the voiciforous patriotic bloggers here are actualy not in sri lanka at this moment.

Well I have a question... If the war ends will you guys come back and help develope the country?
(eg- will Ananda-USA become Ananda-Sri Lanka ??)....]

Yes! All the years I have spent in the US, I have assisted Sri Lanka with my brains, my sweat and my money. Today, I am sending every penny I can afford to the SLDF and to disabled veterans and their families. The products designed by my Engineering R&D company will be manufactured in Sri Lanka. In addition, I have assisted many people in Sri Lanka who are not relatives. Some day, I hope to accept a full time, pro bono, teaching position in Sri Lanka.

Ananda-USA said...

Saman,

Thank you. I hope people with power in Sri Lanka are also reading what we say here and will select the best ideas, and act on them.

It maybe, that the awful time that we have all been through has finally remoulded the Sri Lankan psyche and will move the country towards a prosperous future.

I am hopeful...never have I seen as many people in Sri Lanka striving together as patriots....as now.

Hope springs eternal in the human breast.

Ananda

hiru said...

DW Ayyey,

Niwadu wata kalin, dennako apita honda defence update ekak.

Saman said...

Wijayapala,

/Saman, there's a bit missing from your history./

Well must be from history re-written by people like you.

/1. TULF and its predecessor ITAK were not very serious about separatism./

Well, why should I believe that? Political rhetoric is nothing but a mirror to future. Proven throughout the history. TULF knew they had no future had they not listened. Separatism was that force.

Comparing, Vaddukkoddai Resolution for a separate state in 1977 (by TULF for 2/3 coast and 1/3 of land mass to 14% Tamils) and declaring Sinhala 75% people’s language as the official language of the country in 1956 government, could blow away your camouflage and divulge your nakedness mate. Be careful. Refer my post “Does his plea pass the reasonableness test”. Answer is NO. Also, how come TN is happy that Hindi (only 33% speak) is official language in India. If so, Ealam should have been there isn’t it.

/ The main driver behind Tamil separatism was the use of force against Tamils, whether police action under Mrs. B or armed thugs by JR. Mrs. B's use of police did not affect the entire Tamil population but JR's chandiya approach sure did./

Sounds like you are well and truly on your duty/purpose here. Over the same period (1971-1989) more than 30,000 Sinhala youth died due to uprisings in the south. Mrs. B and JRJ thugs were no difference to them. If not for the "seeded" separatism within Tamil community how can you explain Tamil terorism as a response much lesser incidences.

First separatist literature was confiscated during inspection of a boat used to smuggle items between TN/Manar in 1965 (Kuttumani's era). In 1963, after many concessions and applying butter, India managed to put a lid to K’Nidhi’s separatist cry for a short period. It is not a coincident that only 2 years apart (1965-1963) Tamil seperatism found it's fertile grounds (later 1980-87RAW reeped the harvest). Sri Lankan Tamils were well infected with Tamil separatism (violent or non-violent means) well and truly come 1983.

/"Mr. Duraiappah (SLFP mayor of Jaffna later murdered by Prabakaran), Mr. Subramaniam, Mr. Arumpalam, and Mr. Anandasangari are enemies of the Tamil nation. They do not deserve a natural death, nor to die in an accident. The Tamil people, especially the youth, must decide how they should die."/

This clearly contradicts your view and exposes your camouflage again. As early as 1972 (11 years before 1983 and 7 years after first finding of TN separatist literature in SL)such a radical speech could not have been made otherwise. Especially, within a democratic party meeting with witnesses around, this could have been regarded as blackmail and a threat to democracy. This bastered could have been put under arrest. This shows me how mature the separatist movement by 1972, which you try to deny/hide. It existed in the shape and form and other events just accelerated the outcomes.

Further, I may add, if this is true, Anandasagaree, is not fit to have any opinion on this matter as he sat and listened to this garbage and if NOthern leadership is given would undarstandably yield again.

/Indian federalism is quite a bit more centralized than western federations./

QUITE A BIT - mmm - Oh yah, I believe because Wijayapala is saying so.

උදාන said...

Moshe Dyan,

Dont you have sinhala unicode installed in your machine..?
Shame... :)

get it free from http://locallanguages.lk/

By the way משה דיין‎, Are you from Israel?

Moshe Dyan said...

i was there; originally from SL. israeli patriotism in the sri lankan context = a patriot missile

thanks for writing the name and thanks for the link.

b4 installing the font, let me guess....you are moratu saman??

Rana said...

Ananada-USA,

mate, I didn't say they will be successful by seperating, I said they think they can de better, if seperate.

Who is not think like that, Even I thought, that is why I seperated and you also seperated.

In short why you are in USA, why Iam in, where I am, because you and me thought to seperate from sri lanka.

You and I can get out and prosper but how about all others who cant.

Result is JVP or LTTE, I don't know what is next time.

One thing for sure, if our leaders and to be leaders go on like this, SL will be the next Lebanon or Ethiopia.

It is all come down to f***ing politicos who destroy african, asian, latin american countries.

Our ones are worst, I really feels that SLA should finish LTTP and then shoot down all politicians too in SL.

Rana said...

Guys,

When I was working for CEB, I had a say>"POL SAMBOLAI BATHUI KEWATH KULIYATA WEDA KARANNA PITA RATA YANNE NE". I tried to do my best for thousends of people like my father and mother, serving them faithfully but politicians like premadasa, Tiron Fernando, Sunethra Ranasinghe, syril mathive etc etc ruined my naive childish hope and raped me beyond recovery.

Not only me thousend of others who are well educated and abled.

No I don't want to continue this, in short our politicians are worst that LTTP, they are the people who f**ked up this country, no body else.

I don't think, I will come back to SL, honestly though I like to do so.

Unknown said...

Even though I used to visit this blog a few time a day, I haven’t done any contribution due to my time limitation and also I am not a military man. But time to time I could see comments other than military matters. Also, I found some distorted facts on the origin of Sinhala and Tamil people. For me it is mainly the culture that matter. All are human. But of course one cannot rule out that races are genetically different.
Wijeypala wrote (Both analyses give a similar picture, indicating that present-day Sinhalese and Tamils of Sri Lanka are closer to Indian Tamils and South Indian Muslims. They are farthest from Veddahs and quite distant from Gujaratis and Punjabis of northwest India and Bengalis of northeast India.)
This is a complete misinterpretation of the facts. It is the other way. According to many studies DNA pattern of Sinhala people are closer to Iranian, Bangladesh and some (4%) contribution from Weddha people. (1. HLA-A*0211 subtype among the Sinhalese population, it appears to be more likely that the Sinhalese have originated from the Aryans rather than the Dravidians-doi: 10.1111/j.1744-313X.2007.00698.x) (2. Sinhalese persons in Sri Lanka are genetically closer to Iranian and Afghan persons than to the other neighboring Mongoloid populations, such as the Chinese and Malays - Denaturing high-performance liquid chromatography–based genotyping and genetic variation of FUT2 in Sri Lanka, Mikiko Soejima and Yoshiro Koda Volume 45, December 2005 TRANSFUSION,)
On other hand DNA pattern of Tamil people in SL has more contribution from Sinhala people (62%) and they have just about 16% contribution from South India. I have the research paper with me, but couldn’t locate it. Unfortunately, some people misinterpret this saying 62% of DNA patern of Sinhala people is from Tamil. But it is the other way around. Sorry for using this blog for this topic.

Ra said...

Fernando,

Could you give any online references to your claim?

I am not in to biology, but is it possible to determine,

x inherits from y
but
y not inherit from x ?

Unknown said...

last_mile,
There are a few online documents. But you can try following two links. I am not a biology man, but have some idea about it.
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/117982701/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_199512/ai_n8732666/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

Moshe Dyan said...
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Ra said...

Thanks!

First like does not work because of a cookie error.
I am looking in to the second one.

Peter said...

One mile from Killinochchi.

Peter said...

I am sure Wijayapala is still lurking around here, albeit under a a different handle.

Wijayapala, please change your ovanam, otherwise they will "sniff" you out.

Peter said...

That should have been kilincha kovaNam கிழிஞ்ச கோவணம்

Ra said...

From the second link Fenando gave me:


The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese. The Bengali contribution is 25.41%, the Tamil (India) contribution is 69.86%, and the Veddah contribution is only 4.73%. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs....


What are the implications of the above statement?

Ra said...

My conclusion is this is worth reading. I thank Fernando for the links.

However facts like genetic affinities should not be considered in resolving current conflict. It's a terrorist problem and we shall eliminate it.

There can never be any justification for a creation of mono ethnic homoland for Tamiz.

Saman said...

Ananda-USA, Rana,

In response to thoughtfulGuy's Q:

/Well I have a question... If the war ends will you guys come back and help develope the country?
(eg- will Ananda-USA become Ananda-Sri Lanka ??)....]/

You both have responded quite passionately. Doing so there was a hint of sadness attached to it for the simple reason for not being able to be physically there.

When, I confronted the same dilemma, I was advised by a wise man which I like to share with you.

In spirit where body is remote is far better than a body where spirit is remote. I do not know how to interpret this in full, but when every time I meet many Sri Lankans who do not give a damn about what’s happening there, both onshore and offshore, I take solace of this statement.

Mates, I left country for no apparent reason. But, in every other way I am still live there. Over the years, I found out we can do a hell of a lot without being there physically.

Would I return one day - YES.
What I expect to do then - NOT REALLY SURE

Ananda-USA said...

Rana,

[mate, I didn't say they will be successful by seperating, I said they think they can de better, if seperate.]

Yes, I understood that you said that they think they can do better if they separate. My contention is that expectation is unreasonable, given that their close cousins (e.g., Tamil Nadu & Pakistan)have not done even as well as Sri Lanka under similar circumstances...although nothing is impossible.

I left Sri Lanka for graduate studies only a few years after I graduated with a BSc(Eng) degree from Univ. Sri Lanka, Peradeniya, fully intending to return after completing my studies. I stayed in the US for a chain of reasons and my return faded away year by year. Among them: I did very well acdemically and professionally here, made great many friends, was an incurable nerd who liked scientific discovery & publishing my work, was very well treated by the people of the US, and got caught up in climbing the corporate ladder, and was able to help Sri Lanka more from here than if I had worked there...all excuses I suppose.

I fully understand the frustration of all who stayed behind working for a long time in Sri Lanka, and who had the same desire that I did to get ahead.

I only hope that all of us will some day go back and lend a helping hand, at least part of the time, to those of our countrymen who did not have the same opportunities. The goal should be for Sri Lanka to become a country from which people rarely emigrate.

This is not impossible: people who come here for graduate studies from South Korea, Taiwan, Singaspore, Hong Kong, and even from India are increasingly going back to their country of origin because life is better at home, even though they complain, just like us about the political system and corruption at home!

Unknown said...

Moshe, First of all this is not my theory. It is from various research articles any body can find these information. Yes what you suggest is one possibility. Another could be due to the fact Tamils came to SL mainly as invaders. So it could be only males. But through out the history there is no report that Sinhala kings annihilated (or genocide as they claim now) tamils. They were allowed to stay in SL. It is another matter do discuss if they ever repaid us for our generosity. So those lefts could have mixed with Sinhala people, but followed the traditions of Tamils

Moshe Dyan said...

fernando,

thanks for the links.

very interesting.

Unknown said...

The Bengalis, the Tamils, and the Veddahs are considered parental populations for the Sinhalese. The Bengali contribution is 25.41%, the Tamil (India) contribution is 69.86%, and the Veddah contribution is only 4.73%. Thus the Sinhalese have a predominantly Tamil (India) contribution followed by the Bengalis and the Veddahs..
I send you all available publications to get an idea. This Tamil contribution is again misinterpretation. I will e-mail other publication to you if you are interested. Unfortunately, if you have not subscribed you can’t download some of publications. My institution has subscribed most of these Journals and Publishers.
Of course for the problem in SL, it is nothing to do with DNA

Lalith Kuruwita said...

There had been some fighting at "Tanniyuttu". This is very very close to Mullattivu from the map.

Also at Mulliyavalai, which is also very close to Mula.

This means we are on the verge of capturing Mula.

Any thoughts?

Ananda-USA said...

Saman,

[You both have responded quite passionately. Doing so there was a hint of sadness attached to it for the simple reason for not being able to be physically there.]

You are quite perceptive about the sadness...yes, it is there. Born into a large family of siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and friends, the temple, the priests, I have largely missed their company all these years, punctuated only by brief visits every other year, and rushing home for emergencies.

I suppose it is that loss that makes Sri Lanka especially special to those of us who live abroad. Absence does make the heart grow fonder. Since emotions contribute to happiness more than material comforts, you are being very perceptive when you ask who is happier: those who stayed at home, or those who escaped abroad?

Lalith Kuruwita said...

"Peter said

One mile from Killinochchi."


There must be a last place for Vesapille to die. SLDF are taking all other towns around Killi and pushing LTTP to the Ealam capitoalle for Vasapille to suck Polidol.

Next Mulla, Oddu, EP, Huthu Parippu (Puthukudiruppu), Paranthan, Chalai, Ponna(Punnainiravi), then HA Ha ha.

Vesaballa can enjoy few more weeks.

Unknown said...

If there is anybody in USA, could you download the following PhD thesis. I tried many time, but failed. It is available as a microfilm. I could read a very few pages of it. It suggests that Indus Valley Civilization has nothing to do with Tamils. The dental pattern of Indus Valley people is very different from Tamils. So the claim of some Tamils extremist that they were living all over the India before arrival of Aryan seems to be a myth.
Hawkey, D.T. 1998 - Out of Asia: dental evidence for affinities and microevolution of early populations from India/Sri Lanka. Arizona State University: Ph.D. dissertation. Michigan: University Microfilms, Ann Arbor, publication no. DA-9837698.

Ananda-USA said...

Fernando,

I am trying to get you Hawkey's PhD Thesis.

In the meantime, try this link

http://www.lankalibrary.com/geo/dera2.html

Ananda-USA said...

Fernando,

Try also this link

http://www.lankalibrary.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=588

Unknown said...

Ananda-USA, Thanks a lot. I was looking for this page for some time. Long time back one of my student gave this document. But I lost it.

Mohammed Zubair said...

Fernado and Ananda-USA,

With all due respect, this not a "origin of species discussion" blog, if you would like to discuss genetics, genealogy and anthropology, I am sure there are other blogs that will accomodate you. Please use this blog for defence matters only.

Please do not lose focus, we are closing in on Mulla, Nedunkerni and I hear Kili is almost cleared, can we please have some updates on that front please? Thanks.

Lalith Kuruwita said...

Mohammed

How did you find that Killi is cleared? I did not see it any website.

Mohammed Zubair said...

Got it from SF guy at LNP.

KillerT said...

Guys this is IMPORTANT

I think Prabha is defending KIli not to keep his promise.As we all know he is no fool.He is a military professional(30 years of war activity).So i think hes defending it to prevent hte fall of Paranthan.The reason-He is planning a major thrust on Jaffna(the only way to prevent da end of LTTE at the moment).For it he will need paranthan.Thats why hes offering less resistance in Mulla area.Coz hes not gonna stay there for long.He would put a full force thrust on Jaffna.

So guy if anyone of u agree with my theory pls send it to defence authorities .I dont think we have much time (if what i think is the case)

Ra said...

killert, IMHO Probability is very low.

Puran Appu said...

killert,
It's very unlikely.

Unknown said...

40 sla killed & 12 bodies captured at puthumurippu kili says puthinam

Puran Appu said...

Major offensives are not possible for the LTTE with the superior fire power of the military. Only thing that will happen is that they will loose more carders.

KillerT said...

If you think so.BUt I dont think I think he will give up that easily.Dont forget the past.Its a 30 year war.He will defa try to continue it.Coz his existance depends on it.SO if anyone thinks its important take action.If u dont just ignore it.but i still think a full force will have some effect although our 55 and 53 will take them.I am so defence expert so if u think its foolish to thnk like that jst ignore it.See ya guys.I wont reply.I hav an important exam tomoro .gotta study...

Sujeewa Kokawala said...

Thoughtful Guy said...

Dear patriots.....

I see a lot of patriot talk here, and in between I see lots of referance to NFL matches,


So far I didn't see the NFL you mentioned. Note that NFL stands for National Front Line aka Kilali Muhamalai NagarKovil line. Maybe you mistook that.

Wondering though, why is it called National Front Line? Notably why do we have word "National"? Is it a term coined during piss talks, when public media used words like Mr Prabhakaran, Tamil Military, Border Villages, Tamil Naval Forces etc etc.

In any case, yes TG, most of our lads seem to be out of SL and they have some shared interests which we don't get to enjoy. However it's just OK isn't it? I do not want them to come back for patriotism [although they're welcome back]. Make your living there and enjoy.

But for the betterment of our nation, pls send us some new investment if you can. That is the secret of India's progress. You don't have to make it a charity - we are talking business here. Pls get your share back. However, you don't have to wait till war is over. SL is a nation alive. So IF you are at that capacity pls make that contribution for your nation.

Anyway, that is a kind appeal only.

සිසිර කුමාර said...

killert,

We definitely should not under estimate the Vezapillai. If we think he could take Jaffna then it's an over estimate.

He couldn't capture Jaffna before 2005/6. Even when he really really wanted to. What makes a difference now?

He is now looking for international sympathy. Just have a look at TamilNut front page. It reflects Veza's strategy.

Look at the various acronyms used by TamilNut. It reflects desperation.

What Vezapillai need now is not counter attack or attack on Jaffna. He is begging for a rescue.

Annonymous said...

killert said...

If you think so.BUt I dont think I think he will give up that easily.Dont forget the past.Its a 30 year war.He will defa try to continue it.Coz his existance depends on it.SO if anyone thinks its important take action.If u dont just ignore it.but i still think a full force will have some effect although our 55 and 53 will take them.I am so defence expert so if u think its foolish to thnk like that jst ignore it.See ya guys.I wont reply.I hav an important exam tomoro .gotta study...


Buddy, the whole point is that "he won't give up that easily" indeed. Imagine. He will have to use his full force even to push NFL by few km. And the risk of it. Results can be devastating. They may reach some parts of Jaffna, but loose the entirety of Wanni and loose most of strength in the process, later get squished by SLDF. It is a desperate final suicide.

Instead, VP thinks/tries that something outside will bring down the present war and he's saving his hardcore from death to fight after that day. Durability is the most lacking feature in SLDF. We could not hold onto this type of operations for many years.

So in that regard we're at even stevens. We captured most of his lands and cut down supply. He saved most of his force w/o harm. What left for us is simple and smaller, but if only we get to finish. If not he will get back to full recoil oneday. Theoretically the war is not at 95-5, but say 60-40.

That is why we need to monitor even very minute looking matter carefully. Discussing other matters should not reduce the focus in prime interest.

Sri Lankikaya said...

killert

you have to understand that VP is not giving up - he is losing territory to a superior army, he is losing a battle and is forced to give in.

In no way is he giving up any territoy to take up an impossible task

Observer said...

Tamil Nadu donkeys are braying


[COLOMBO, SinhalaNet 2008.12.09 06:01PM] Vaiko, Karunanidhi and Tamil Nadu's other political clowns - by their reactions to Sri Lankan Army Commander Lt. Gen. Sarath Fonseka's comments - have fully confirmed that they are indeed political jokers of the first order.

The joke is this: Tamil Nadu has every right to pressure New Delhi to interfere in Sri Lanka's internal affairs. But no one Sri Lanka has any right to condemn or criticise Tamil Nadu politicians for trying to do so. And now they have the audacity to demand an apology from the Sri Lanka's Army Commander for telling the hard truth. That these hypocrites are a corrupt lot is no secret within and outside India. Lt. Gen. Fonseka was only giving expression to a well-known fact. Most of this scum is in the LTTE's payroll.

With vermin like these Tamil Nadu politicians India does not need enemies. This is the kind of garbage that makes it difficult for neighbouring countries to have good relations with New Delhi.

Fonseka had expressed confidence that the Indian government "is not interested in a ceasefire in Sri Lanka" as it has listed the LTTE as a terrorist organisation and added that the Indian Government would never influence Sri Lanka to restore the ceasefire with the LTTE and it would not listen to the "political jokers" of Tamil Nadu whose "survival depends on the LTTE".

When asked by the newspaper reporter about allegations of Sri Lankan security forces' disregard for civilian casualties, Fonseka replied: "These allegations are made only by the corrupt politicians in Tamil Nadu who have been bribed by the LTTE. Though they are very much aware that the civilians are not getting killed in any of these military operations they try to utter some words on behalf of the LTTE as their survival depends on the LTTE."


Tamil Nadu donkeys - Vaiko, Karunanidhi
"This is the time for them to realise the truth. And they should also realise their attempts to save the LTTE would not be successful as the LTTE is on the brink of extinction. Most importantly, they should realise that LTTE is an internal problem of Sri Lanka and need to honour the sovereignty of Sri Lanka."

Warning that the LTTE's separate state ideology is a "threat" to India, the Sri Lankan Army chief said: "If you consider the overall thing, the LTTE's separate state ideology is a threat to India, because this ideology will spread in Tamil Nadu too. It is now proved by Tamil Nadu by staging protests against the Indian government and seeking help to take the side of the LTTE".

Unknown said...

killert,

I don't know who you are? But like Mahen,peter one mile and other lttp supporters,you have given some BS to the bloggers to waste their time.We know he does not give up easily.Infact he cannot do that.
If you dream about vesapillai will attack muhammalai FDL,you can keep dreaming no harm.

Thundering typhoon.

vp cannot loose paranthan or killi.He is trying to hold Paranthan and killi as long as he can.As orge said they will have to face rain from arty,mbrls and motars and other stuffs from SLDF.
His main problem nowadays how to face MBRLs and SLAF.

sujeewa k,

You are right.If people who are out side can send money home. For invest or save. But most of the people in AUS,US and europe they don,t send much money home.Infact they sspend most of their money those countries only.I know some people migrated to AUS sold their properties and use those money to buy properties there.

Nirosh,

I agree with you so far MR is only good for leading this bloody war only.From the begining our politicos destroyed our mother land .Tell me how many of them had genuine ideas to serve our beautiful mother land? Almost none.

T.Douglas said...

Over 50 people are executed unlawfully in the Eastern Sri Lanka by state forces

It is a heart wrenching news that, out of 124 youngsters who were arrested in the Sri Lankan random tri forces search operation in the Eastern Sri Lanka on November 29th, 2008, over 50 of them have been executed by the Sri Lanka Special Task Forces (STF) in a most despicable manner by shooting them in point blank.

Ananda-USA said...

Mohammed Zubair,

I agree. I am not very interested in genealogy either.

I was just trying to help a fellow Sri Lankan, who is interested in the topic.

T.Douglas said...

PROGRESS WITH WHAT COST?

CAPTURE OF POONAHARI AND THE HIGH COST OF CASUALTY

ACCORDING TO THE FORMER FOREIGN MINISTER MANGALA SAMARAWEERA THE SRI LANKAN ARMY SUFFERED OVER 300 CASUALTIES.

200 DEAD BODIES WERE BROUGHT TO COLOMBO AND KEPT AT 2 FUNERAL PARLOURS.

OVER 100 ARMY BODIES WERE LEFT AT NO MANS LAND UNABLE TO RECOVER.

OVER 1000 SOLDIERS SUFFERED SERIOUS INJURIES AND WARDED AT NATIONAL HOSPITALS.

SRI LANKA ONCE FLOWED WITH MILK AND HONEY NOW FLOWING WITH BLOOD AND DEAD BODIES.

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