After holding the LTTE's 1st FDL for the last 3 days the SLA today officially declared it had taken control of the 1st Muhamalai and Kilali LTTE FDL. The SLA increased skirmished into the LTTE FDL for the last three to five days gaging and gradually working away at the LTTE's resistance until finally holding onto the newly captured 800m to 1km area by today morning.
Casualties to both sides are high with the SLA suffering around 300 casualties, including those killed and the walking wounded. Casualties to the LTTE could be less. The narrow corridor of terrain makes it difficult for either side to advance, but the objective of this latest venture into LTTE areas seems to be to force the Tigers concentrated defenses away from the 58 Division, which is now 6km west of Paranthan.
Thursday, November 20, 2008
Army advances 1km in Muhamalai, Kilali
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1098 Newer› Newest»thiru...u are thakathiru..
we know there is a war..but LTTP is doing only tactical withdrawal for last two years more than 150 miles...sometimes SLA sent a lot of body bags to Vanni too…
Uneducated Praba still sending you Kade….btw how much money u invested for peelam…?
Damm sad article to read. at least he gave his life with pride and honour.. just think of the carders who have no choice but to fight..
Wijayapala
/In Sinhala Buddhist literature (both in Sinhala and Pali), the island tends to be referred more often as "Lanka" than "Sinhale."/
Can you give some examples? (Name of the book with time period it was written.)
/Ironically, foreigners have been more likely to label the island as "Sinhale" than the Sinhalese themselves./
At ancient time avarage people had nothing to do with international level. All of thier deeling were among themselves. Then they already know they are sinhala and no need to express thier sinhalaness to another one who knows it. It seems somehow they considered 'castes' and they expressed that when necassary. (I hope we are not going to un-neccassary caste discussion. I will avoid!) I don't think they even expressed themselves as 'buddhists'. If almost all the people are sinhala and buddhists you don't worry about that part rather your concern is about sub-divisions.
In contrast, if forigners identified SL as sinhale that means;
1. There were main, easily identifiable ethnic group called sinhala
2. This fact was recognized internationaly
Note that when one identifies such an ethnic group the langauge they speak and culture they had was the two main observabale things to a foriegner. Thus, in other words forigners has identified the langauge they listned/ dealt with and culture they observed as 'sinhala' hence the name sinhala to denote that peole and land they live.
Guys, check this out
http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=27542
Non of the pictures show any buildings nor GA's office.
Wijayapala
/If Nalin is a Sinhala racist (i.e. one of those leaders of the Jathika Chinthanaya movement which had fomented anti-Tamil racism in the critical early 1980s), then how credible would you say his opinion of Tamil leaders is????/
I didn't say about credibility, not due to Nalin but as I don't know about tamil politicos on personal basis. (I said this before and my objective was to give an example for people identifying anti-LTTE elements and tamil racists separately.) I think, if you need to decide someone is racist you first need to have a definition for 'racist' and you should know about a given person. I am not sure about your definition of racist but I would say using Nalin as litmus is not the best way to find a racist. (i.e. Just becuz Nalin says one is racist you can't conclude it is true or the opposite is true.)
/According to Nalin, ALL Tamil leaders are Tamil racists! Why don't we take that one step further and say that ALL Tamils are dangerous????/
Unfortunately, Nalin identifies pretty much every tamil politico as a tamil racist. I am not aware of his latest views. Note that even his views has changed drastically from 80s to now.
/It would be a much stronger argument that there are some anti-LTTE Sinhalese who are primarily motivated by anti-Tamil racism than anti-terrorism. Nalin and his ilk belong in that category./
Terrorism is about your life. Are you going to die in a public bus due to claymore or not? So one really don't need racism to oppose terrorism. Where racism plays a role is in political process.
Note that (as I said before) Nalin is academic person. I don't think anyone go and kill tamils or even join army after reading him. Reason is first it is difficult to understand what he says for an average person and if you are in a position to understand him you should have some discipline associated with your academic background and such a person can't be a thug and unlikely to be in a battle field. (people like us!)
Also note that there were sinhala-tamil issue decades before Nalin started writing or even well before he was born. There is really no point blaming on Nalin or (Jathika Chinthanaya or associated people) for tamil or sinhala racism. You may blame on them for disturbing formulating a political solution but in that case you need to find not only sinhala racists (as per your definition) but also tamil racists.
"My idea is that this is not that. I came to this conclusion by analyzing the location in google maps. It is very close to Paranthan. As per my information, we're not that close to the junction yet.
Anyway I maybe wrong."
Nope. You are correct. This is a new one. The other one, which everybody referring to is at Nivil area around 12-14 km away from Paranthan. This one is at just 3km away from Paranthan. A good find.
B#1 SORRY YOU KNOW VERY BUSY THESE DAYS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MY STATEMENT PUBLISHED FOR UR QUESTION
HERE IS IT:
I AM NOT GOING TO DO LIKE KARUNA BUT MORE ADVANCE WAY PLEASE READ
Me and my puk Ltte hero's will tactically withdraw for few more years. Singala is bloody nation who can easily forgot everything.
My moles like Manpon Sampon and Ranil Wickpon will win next election for sure.
Remember wd happened to Churchihilli after world war2
So I will come back and start Eelam war 5 or My moles will give me my land.
30 yrs in battlefield, This singala not understand I need some holidays also to take treatments for Diabetes and HIV.
Singala,
Remember last election
Everyone who voted Ranil Wickpon is one who support my cause. So it's mean half of SL with me.
Click here. I just couldn't stop laughing. Now I see what monkeys know about SL. Ha Ha
Click here. You will understand why tamiznut put that "civilian protest" story.
## Wanni FDL to up! (From Omanthei to Mankulam - Nayaru axis.) Civilian influx expected. This is critical for LTTE. If civilians come they use all the porns after losing the queen.
## Heavy fighting north of Paranthan - south of EPS!!
Mahen,
You amma vuka teriya illai punde undi etinna sollunga
Umbe mama ekk da pon me davas vala sleeping?.
How many times I told you I need men here. If u can not come i ask you to send your mom, daughter or wife
Instead of doing what I ordered you are talking about recapture Nochchikudha. With whom>? You bastarda living there and coming to write here bullsheeeet. Talk something practical tambi.
If u are dreaming recapture what we lost tell amma vuka diaspora to come here. They think hosting my blood dreaded flag and demonstrate everywhere is a big thing.
Demonstrate in Europe never make a way to win eellzaaam. Ur amma vuka diaspora must come here.
Lt.Gen.Sarath Fonseka in ITN Thulawa (20.11.2008)
YouTube Video
Oh what's happening
Earleir my spokespon Manpon Samaraweera talking about dead body figures. It's look like big natch now to talk about same topic between singala. Today I saw another chap dayasiri talk the same. Good good now singala fighting to report their own dead. How ever one who is champion may confer with Eelllam citizenship.
Are these fellows who fight to be pro singala tigers are sons of vesa ammas who slept with tamils?
Click here.
Thank you so much diaspora clowns! Next time please make a money back garantee deel before sending money to Vezapizza.
Saman Kumara Ramavikrama says many things without saying. (Nokiya kiyanava.)
Check SF/LNP -updated.
# Two more divisions to come! (wow!)
# More than 600 bodies handed over from wanni. (If you left behind 1 body how many tigers should be dead? Ratio? Any stat experts?)
Mahen, Peter, et al have joined forces and counting dead tigers.
We wont be seeing them for a while.. LOL
goat-sun, my delusional friend says:
"Everyone who voted Ranil Wickpon is one who support my cause. So it's mean half of SL with me."
.. just wait till the next election to see how the unp losers will get treated...
This is the reality:
Innocent tamils are speaking out loudly and celebrating the peezamers running away scared...
vezapalli will fight the final peelam war V against his 'own' tamils in mullattivu!!!
...hope a tamil will kill him!!! That'll be the best laugh ...
... Enjoy !!!!!!!!
LTTE redbird operation is on halt due to the loss of fighters in recent Wanni battles.
LTTE diehards in the blog are lost for words since large number of LTTE cadres were captured in Pooneryn.
These captives are helping SLA find more LTTE weapons.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=caeT5cHanvc
Guys the pics of dead LTTE from muhamalai may not be on defense sites but I got an email full of them . Pity Defence cannot publish them due to the circus in Toilet nadu but this is stiff of legends
Hi Guys,
I was reading all news items during last few days, and think MOD is playing a very smart game now.
MOD is trying to make T'naadu and diaspora happy with high casualties and not much of offensive from SLDF side.
However, silently game is going on and we are harvesting as usual.
Well, What you all think?
rana,
if we are harvesting enough that is all we need.
no need for MoD to boast about it.
"Prabhakaran may defend Kilinochchi until he makes his heroes day speech in a few days. Thereafter, he will be lost between the army and the deep blue sea in Mullaitivu."
Editorial-The Island
click here
Moshe,
Absolutely, but there is more to it, I think MOD is giving rope to UNP for a week or two, specially to Mangala, when the noose is exactly and squarly on, MOD can come with figures victoriously.
by the time, we will have atleast EP!
Not bad! huh huh ha ha
Let us hope, that is the case.
Sri Lankans to demonstrate in Paris on Sunday against LTTE terrorism
Hundreds of Sri Lankans are expected to gather at Trocadero, under the shade of the most popular tourist attraction of the world, the Eiffel Tower on November 23 to protest against the dreaded terrorist outfit, the Tamil Tigers. The demonstration, organized jointly by all the Sri Lankan associations and societies in France is scheduled to begin at 3.00 p.m. on Sunday.
Dear Bungu,
"1. Trying to prove cause for Tamil terrorism is Sinhala Rasism."
And as far as I can tell, no one here has been able to disprove my arguments.
"2. Trying to make a division of Sinhalese in to good sinhalaya and bad sinhalaya."
It's not so much "good" vs "bad" Sinhalaya than "smart" vs "dumb." Which group do you belong to?
"3. Look down on contributions by recent Sinhala national leaders.(19th century - now)"
I assure you that I don't think the Tamil leaders were any better. However if I'm wrong, then I ask you to name one leader who brought the entire country forward and united all communities for a common goal.
"4. Evade discussing Sri Lanka's history before 16th century."
I haven't evaded discussing older history because no one had asked, and in any case what happened back then has little relevance to what's going on now.
However, I would be happy to answer any questions you have on ancient Sri Lankan history.
Ninja
/In Sinhala Buddhist literature (both in Sinhala and Pali), the island tends to be referred more often as "Lanka" than "Sinhale."/
"Can you give some examples? (Name of the book with time period it was written.)"
I was thinking of the Mahavamsa and Culavamsa.
"In contrast, if forigners identified SL as sinhale that means;
1. There were main, easily identifiable ethnic group called sinhala
2. This fact was recognized internationaly"
I agree.
"Unfortunately, Nalin identifies pretty much every tamil politico as a tamil racist. I am not aware of his latest views. Note that even his views has changed drastically from 80s to now."
How have his views changed? Back then he blamed Tamils for everything wrong in SL, and today he blames Tamils for everything wrong in SL.
"Note that (as I said before) Nalin is academic person. I don't think anyone go and kill tamils or even join army after reading him. Reason is first it is difficult to understand what he says for an average person and if you are in a position to understand him you should have some discipline associated with your academic background and such a person can't be a thug and unlikely to be in a battle field. (people like us!)"
His original target audience were students who could be influenced into committing violent acts. This is what was observed in 1983.
But there are more problems with Nalin. Did you know that LTTE activists in Western countries would actually use Nalin's own writings to argue to Europeans that the Sinhalese are an evil genocidal race intent on destroying the Tamils?
"There is really no point blaming on Nalin or (Jathika Chinthanaya or associated people) for tamil or sinhala racism."
In that case, we shouldn't blame TULF or ITAK for tamil/sinhala racism either. No point in blaming Amirthalingam or Chelvanayagam for racism.
Thiru ...
So far 1974 maveerer in this year ...
http://www.tamilwin.com/view.php?22uWnZ202Vj062e2uG7D3b3P9Eg4d2C2h4cc3DpOcd40CQHdb0eLLIae
A team of 270 SLA lost contact with HQ ....
Wijayapala,
mate, you said to Ninja brother in replying:
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/In Sinhala Buddhist literature (both in Sinhala and Pali), the island tends to be referred more often as "Lanka" than "Sinhale."/
"Can you give some examples? (Name of the book with time period it was written.)"
I was thinking of the Mahavamsa and Culavamsa.
--------------------------------
Yes, please refer to mahawansa, chulawansa, deepawansa and thupawamsa, and many more other books, which I cannot remember quickly.
Infact, when british came to SL diring 18 the century, island was called sinhale, becuse they had difficulty of pronouncing it, they called it Seylan which became ceylon later.
During certain eras, sinhale was referred as hele, heladiva or heladivayina also.
This all indicate priror to foriegn invasion, present Sri Lanka island is called "SINHALE" to indentify the leading race sinhala or sinhalese.
I am a mere techinical guy and most of my life was focused on engineering, mathematics and programming. My leisure time was not history but literature, music and songs, so I hope some body else in the blog will confirm my theory. may be, our talented bloger "HISTORY" can help.
However, I think the above is sufficient to answer your question, mate.
Dear singla friends
My birthday coming soon.
"my father told me my birthday is the day he most hated.He never call me his son"
But now Tamils all over the world called me as SunGod. Even after my death they will worship me just like Rama. Mahinda will be devil Ravana.
BUt it's not what I want. I have decided to grant tamil Eelam green card to many singala who helped our cause. Pottu busy these days making this list. But he just send me a email as he could not do it alone and need singala friends help.
I need your help to make this list. Also this might be help to you too.
What I recommended is
1. Cyril Mathew
2.R.Premadasa
3.H.Gunatilaka
4.John Amaratunga
4.Jayalath Jayawardena
5.Ranil Wickramasinghe
5.O.Fernando (former def sec)
6.S.B.Dissanayake
7.Iqbal Athas
8.Nimalka Fernando
9.Rohana Wijeweera
10.Mangala Samaraweera( Manpon Sampon)
11.Ranga Bandara
12.Ravi Karunanayake
13.Wickramabahu Karunaratne
14.L.Balagalle
15.Jayatissa
16.Lasantha (Sunday Leader)
17.Dayasiri Jayasekara
18.Mervin Silva
19.Gotami Olcot
20.Ice Manju
21.Jayadeva Uyangoda
22.Sirilal Wije
23.R.Ramanayake
Who else
????????????????????????????????
Ninja
Bro, with all due respect, I think you should not waste time on this “Wijayapala” aka “Wijayaplan” undercover Tamil racist motherfcuker!
He has a problem with Sinhela patriots…no ifs and buts about it (as bungu said, he will do the expose if needed very soon!)…as he knows well that it was Sinhela partriots who called a spade a spade and preserved our beloved “Heladiva” from it being gobbled up by TamilNadu and today SL being known as a “backward sub-province of TamilNadu”…and as such, this undercover filthy, Tamil whore-produced racist motherfcuker has a big problem with Sinhela patriots – from long ago Anagarika Dhramapla to contemporary Prof. Nalin De Silva!
Have you seen this whore-bitch criticize here the so called “Tamil academics” who have gone into absurd lengths to further the “tamileelam” philosophy in the world media? Ho ho ho…
So, if I were you, I would let this whore-produced Tamil racist (a coward, a ponnaya, masquerading here as a Sinhela) just let be…like how we let be the likes of Mahen, Peter, etc…well an occasional MBRL volley is all that is required with these motherfcukers in my view. LMSSAO!!!
Time is not far off when we hunt these fascist, racist Tamil racist motherfcukers and send them to the “twilight zone”…this is a promise from the “powers that be” in the “Sinhela spiritual land” (Mmmm now where would that be I wonder? LMSSAO!!!) and yes, I can say that there is already a “patriots’ movement” forming to assure that we take it to a “satisfactory closure” "with all due dispatch"...well, enough said I guess.
:)) :)) :))
OaO Asithri
Rana
[Infact, when british came to SL diring 18 the century, island was called sinhale, becuse they had difficulty of pronouncing it, they called it Seylan which became ceylon later.]
Wow! I am impressed brother!
OaO Asithri
Ali
[Guys the pics of dead LTTE from muhamalai may not be on defense sites but I got an email full of them . Pity Defence cannot publish them due to the circus in Toilet nadu but this is stiff of legends]
ApinoD
[Today I got a mail with Pics of the recent LTTE casualties ....bit graphic said to be from Muhamale, Kilali & Kokavil fronts ....its titled "Mess with best and go like the rest" You can see scores of Perumals, Rajinikanths and Thangachies spread eagle body part strewn around the country side.]
Well, well…isn’t this what I was trying to say with all subtly yesterday?
Glad other patriots have got the same pics!
The LTTE monkeys are coming here with false propaganda about huge SLA casualties, but the pics that I have received (as well as these patriots) tell the complete opposite! No, you can bet that these pics will not be published as ToiletNadu has got its anus busted…it’s hemorrhoids are acting up …so we will spare such pics I am told…and I agree!
“Yes, I say to myself, what a wonderful world this is”….!!!
LMSSAO!!! Truly LMSSAO!!!
OaO Asithri
CACS
“In my opinion, military action against the LTTE is the prerogative of the Sri Lankan government and no country should interfere in the internal affairs of Sri Lanka” ----Seshadri Chari, a seasoned journalist and currently executive committee member of India’s opposition party, Bharatiya Janatha Party (BJP)
Mate, thanks for that very enlightening article…I couldn’t resist extracting the above excerpt…which should tell the Tamil racist motherfcukers in Sri Lanka that there are no more horses to bet on!
LMSSAO!!!
OaO Asithri
AmmaGG
[Hey machanla, how about this? I know a GAY Elephant! Better than killing @ once by “ula thiyala”! lol]
Holy cow! How come I never thought of that for Ponna Mangalalika and Ponna Rani…???
AGG, you are really a cool cat man…real glad to have met you here…yes, in good time I will contact you and join you in D/U for a pint or two!
Cheers, OaO Asithri
OK it is Friday night in my neck of the woods and I see my DD is here and it is time to go "live life to the fullest" with my TMVP "princess" and hela-poras...
Catch you patriots later...
Patriots, btw I know it is the weekend, but don't do anything you can't tell your grandma ok?
LMSSAO!!!
OaO Asithri
Asithri,
Mate, so nice to hear from you again. You are exibiting so much energy and that reminds me my 20/twenties brother.LOL!
Thanks for the comment and see you again soon. In the mean time, take care, brother.
P.S. Enjoy your DD to the fullest extent, bro, you deserved it!
another dream come true...
Civilians in Vanni protest against Colombo's use of humanitarian supplies as tool of war
"[TamilNet, Friday, 21 November 2008, 16:07 GMT]
People in Vanni marched in thousands towards two Government Agents' offices and two Divisional Secretariat offices in four locations on Friday protesting against Sri Lanka Government's restrictions on food and essential supplies, blaming Colombo for using humanitarian supplies as a tool of war to force civilians to flee against their will into the hands of Sri Lanka Army (SLA). Velamalikithan, a representative of Vanni Peoples Welfare Organisation (VPWO), addressing more than 5,000 protesters in front of Ki'linochchi Government Agent's office at Tharmapuram described how the supplies were reduced from 600 lorries per month in 2007 to 250 lorries per month in 2008, but only 54 have allowed to cross into Vanni in the recent days."
i said so long ago.
humanitarian supplies MUST be used to safeguard civilians ACCORDING TO THE GOVT'S WAR STRATEGY.
Apino/Ali,
can you forward the mail LTTE casualties at Muhamale to following address?
r_dilusha@yahoo.com
I spoke with a western military expert who has indepth knowledge of the SL conflict (also involved in training) recently. He called the SLA 'highly professional and rising fast beyond the capability level of anyone else in the region in relative size and specialization'. In short, he was saying..you guys have definitley grown up and anyone who wants to fuck with you had better order their coffin...
He was also of the opinion that SL needs to plan for a strong military doctrine which is integrated into the global network. the US, India and Israel were his choices, but when pointed out, acknowledged that SL had the capacity to inter-operate also with China, pakistan, Russia, South East Asian nations, and pretty much every one and his brother...a feat not quite possible even for much larger militaries in the region. He is full of praise for Gen Fonseka and wants to see him not make any more 'majoritarian political statements'.
Recently, I wrote to this forum on the need to permanently increase the size of the SLDF (to 500,000) and to induct all adult Sri Lankans into a National Guard (4,000,000 strong), and how the cost of such a defense establishment can be supported, in part, by enabling the SLDF to contribute to national development and derive income from products and services.
There was considerable opposition to the idea from various people, notably Wijayapala, whose agenda I fully understand, because it would preclude the ability to blackmail and browbeat Sri Lanka into submission again in the future. Others, such as Sam Perera, fully appreciate the need for it, and how to optimally exploit the approach.
The article below, written by Gen. Rohan Daluwatte, basically says
the same thing, though in much less detail. I quote Gen. Daluwatte "it is the duty of the President and the Government to use all the powers and resources at its disposal, whether it is financial, legal, manpower, and everything else towards eliminating the threat."
Patriots, standfast! Do not be misled by LTTE supporters who want Sri Lanka to remain militarily weak and defenceless, so they can win in peace what they could not win in war!
Ananda-USA
Eliminating terrorism from our motherland, the past and the present
(By: General Rohan Daluwatte(Rtd) WWV RWP RSP VSV USP)
With the recapture of Poonaryn, the Government has been able to re establish a land link to the Jaffna Peninsula after almost two decades. Although the A9 was opened after the signing of the Peace Accord in 2001 by the then Government, a stretch of the road was under the LTTE control and only those who were authorized by the LTTE were able to travel to and from Jaffna using the land route. Armed Forces and the Police were prohibited from using the stretch under the control of the LTTE. With the capture of Poonaryn, the security forces are now in a position to exercise several options in their operations to eliminate terrorism from our beloved motherland. This includes land access to targets like Kilinochchi and Elephantpass from multiple fronts.
When compared to the past three decades, and major military campaigns conducted against LTTE during those three decades commonly known as Eelam war 1, 2 and 3, the present campaign during the past three years have been the most successful so far. There are several reasons for this.
First and foremost, is the fact that the present Government has clearly defined terrorism and ethnic issue as two different entities and has not hesitated in using the full might of the military in eliminating terrorism. Terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion. Hallmarks of terrorism is that the acts of terror are intended to create fear among populace and are perpetrated for an ideological goal (a separate state in the case of LTTE) and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non combatants. It is the foremost duty of the President to ensure the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Sri Lanka and the safety and security of its citizens. When our country is threatened by terrorism, the top most priority of any Government is to eliminate terrorism by strengthening its military to the required level and using the full might of the military and all the resources at the disposal of the Government. In such a situation everything else becomes secondary. The question is whether the required priority was given by the governments during the past thirty odd years to this task, as it is given today.
In a situation as we are faced with, when the territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the nation is threatened, when the safety and security of citizens are threatened, it is the duty of the President and the Government to use all the powers and resources at its disposal, whether it is financial, legal, manpower, and everything else towards eliminating the threat. Had we given the required priority to this task, we would not have been fighting LTTE for three decades. It is only now, after three decades that the required status has been given to this task and we are bearing the fruits today.
We have seen the increase of Defence Budget and as a result the increase of man power, fire power, resources, technology and also modernization to counter the present capabilities of the LTTE and also to meet the strategic and tactical requirements of the commanders.
Another important factor is the firm stand taken by the Government against the outside pressure, more often than not initiated by terrorist fronts and sympathizers. In the past some INGOs, NGOs, Media and various other organizations succeeded to a great extent in hampering the Government's resolve and military operations by exerting various types of pressure. Sometimes this pressure came through Foreign Governments who were under pressure from some of these INGOs and invariably the pressure was linked to foreign aid from these Governments. This resulted in lot of limitations imposed on military commanders by the Government, particularly in the use of fire power. Sometimes the pressure was from our own bureaucrats. For example, at times it was a Herculean task to obtain the necessary approvals to increase the cadre of the Armed Forces to secure the newly captured areas and more often than not these requests were not granted or granted only in part.
It is regrettable to observe that even today; some do not understand the difference between fighting a conventional war as opposed to fighting a terrorist group. Terrorism most often comes as asymmetric warfare and psychological warfare. Terrorists usually carry out attacks to maximize the psychological impact on a large number of people. They also attack national symbols or economically important targets to shake the foundation of the Government and to also display an increase of their power. Wide media exposure is one of the goals of such attacks and terrorists sometimes go to the extent of manipulating media through sympathizers planted in various media institutions, not only to glorify them but also to humiliate the armed forces and governments. Therefore media has a very important role to play in eliminating terrorism from our society, not only in educating masses but also denying the exposure and psychological advantage expected by terrorists.
It is commendable that the present Commander In Chief is leading the way in giving the top most priority to eliminating terrorism from our motherland and diverting all necessary resources for this task without any hesitation and giving into pressure. It is the duty of everyone at this juncture to understand this and strengthen the hands of our armed forces.
If all of us Sri Lankans stand together in backing our armed forces at this crucial juncture, without allowing terrorist sympathizers and agents to succeed in creating fear and panic in our society, the day terrorism will be eliminated from our beloved motherland is not very far.
(The writer was a former Commander of the Army(1996-1998) & the 1st Chief of Defence Staff of the Sri Lankan Security forces)
Of few topics under discussion.
On Ranil+Mongala,
Although I do not like what Mongala says right now, I have a good respect for him as a good minister. When he ran Media, SLRC started channel eye which was supposed to be education youth and ...[something else - forgot]. Right now others turned it to tamil channel [whereas they had other BW for another channel]. When he was the minister of Urban Dev, he was brave to remove the troubling pavement constructions. When he was foreign minister, although no one can come close to late Kadir, he gave a good run in ministry, only to be valued with the nonsense that boggles brings us today. During Mangala days most countries banned LTTE [which was partly the work of Kadir]. He has been one capable minister in the pack.
Sadly CBK raised him in order to fight MR. So when MR won the ticket for presidency, Mangala was too powerful, and a rift was eminent. I still do not like the way MR dumped Mangala, and Mangala was compelled to sit with UNP.
Ironically Mangala's ideologies fitted more with UNP than "deshiya chinthanaya" so he found sponsorship of Ranil [who always likes to bring forward "his type of" ppl]. Mangala has this weakness that he has a foul mouth and has no limits and ethics in defending his side. And that is simply what he is doing. This is no magic in SL politics.
Ranil, in contrast, is a real monkey who has done nothing for the country. However the relic-like presence of his has done a great support for the war. Ranil's presence and inability makes the separatism a lost course in SL politics. This was not so with his equivalent [ideologically] CBK who could win elections. I always wanna see a separatist in opoosition leadership, and constantly loosing. You can not call for any better than Ranil. He believes in his myth of fake peace and talks on behalf of that. As long as he, the most hated politician of our time, speaks that, the nation flocks around the anti-terror campaign. MR should always protect him and take all necessary action to avoid other UNPers ousting him. We dont want a govt change now. And we dont want a double game player like SB come to power. Long live Ranil and be our opposituion leader for all that long.
BTW, until next time he finds a chance to join govt Mangala will be anti-war. But one day he will be talking for war, if MR allows him to come to govt. Mangala has no audience in SL, his audience right now is the same as which Ranil was addressing for years - the ko[l]lu-pitiya community. They are against war anyway, they think that this medamulana gamarala is a shame for them and their ultimate goal as a nation is perhaps to bring Barack Obama on a visit to SL or something. They are something like 0.0x% of our nation. Let them dream on, just like the diaspora dreams.
Of Nalin De Silva, partly I agree with Wijepala. Firstly, I found most of arguments of this educated man to be in par with those of Mahen and co. He takes one or two lines form somewhere and keeps on arguing where as millions of evidence is against his logic. I have read him [regarding science] in Vidusara of 80s. I cannot agree that he stands for broader and sensible facts, rather he is always in another daydream.
People like him are heavily used by pussycats to prove that this is the sinhala view. In fact him, and 1983 riotists are the generalization of sinhala in pussycat propaganda. Although the nationalism [Nalin is NOT a racist, ok] provides bandwagon for war nationalists represents < 5% of our Sinhala vote base. But they bring lots of troubles. I respect Dr Nalin but I don't like allowing him giving indirect support for pussycats whereas he is not a significant force among sinhala.
We need people to oppose terrorism as terrorism is agianst humanity. We need people to oppose separatism as it is not founded on correct facts and it is technically impractical to run two nation in a tiny island like this. We should NOT oppose tamils in general but ANYONE irrespective of ethnic background, who support terror or separatism, we ought to deal with not only ideologically but also with legal and military power until they cease to be functional.
However we DO NOT need ppl who oppose terrorism and separatism, simply because such actions are nursed by a diff ethnic group, and whose underlying ideology is opposing that race, not the menace.
I may rhyme a bit close to Wijepala but I should say I do not like ppl like Wijepala contributing purely on outside factors whereas SLDF is facing a major challenge in Muha-NK today. I come here to see them safely passing thru, not to debate too much on these. So I hope Wijepala can become more relevant here. Our discussion on ethnic conflict and possible solutions to it, has no meaning in the big picture. We are not making that decision, nor are we addressing the mass which does.
Ananda
A strong military is a must, but it also must be one that remains secondary to civillian rule and supremacy of democracy.
A military that is self-sustaining is more likely to be a heartbeat away from a coup.
Sujeewa
... oppose separatism as it is not founded on correct facts and it is technically impractical to run two nation in a tiny island like this...
Practicality or size is not the true reason why we oppose seperatism.
Firstly, it is in human nature to do so, and no one wants to see their nation disintegrating. Secondly, it would be the start of bigger problems for us.
But most importantly, we oppose seperatism because WE CAN. And we know we will WIN.
Ali
If you would email them to tstorm2007@gmail.com, I will publish them.
Blogger TropicalStorm said...
Practicality or size is not the true reason why we oppose seperatism.
Firstly, it is in human nature to do so, and no one wants to see their nation disintegrating. Secondly, it would be the start of bigger problems for us.
But most importantly, we oppose seperatism because WE CAN. And we know we will WIN.
TS, yes I agree you gave some good reasons. But I don't think mine were wrong either. But none of us should oppose it simply because separatism is nursed by some group of people who are of a diff race than ours. THIS is what I was saying.
Sujeewa,
Well said mate. But there are few things I'd like to add.
"oppose separatism as it is not founded on correct facts and it is technically impractical to run two nation in a tiny island like this"
You missed a little point on who wants terror and who wants separatism.
Let's consider main elements in our discussion. hardcore Tigers excluding forced lower level [call Tiger], Diaspora, SL tamil in terror/war zones [call Wanni-T], SL tamil in majority sinhala areas [call Col-T], TN tamils [call TN-T].
Terrorism:
- Tigers started it. Tigers want it to continue.
- Diaspora sponsor and architect most moves. They want it to bring them Eelam, to visit for holidays. Loves to use it to fulfill vengence.
- Wanni-T had its toll, they want a way out.
- Col-T have a mixed feeling on support, forced support and oppose. It is almost evenly divided.
- TN-T gets sadistic fun and sports-like joy out of it. They never care for consequences, they wanna see it happening.
Separatism:
- Tigers are not so worried, they know that they become a liability if it is granted. Also not much money will come from Diaspora as now.
- Diaspora, ultimate dream. For holiday visits and boasting
- Wanni-T, dont mind if peacefully granted, but don't want if it is this hard
- Col-T, never cares much. In fact scared whether that will cost them nice life in Southern SL.
- TN-T, prefers it, for a change. Know surely whether it is granted or not they will never be allowed by India to join. Prefer that it is not their problem but someone else is dying for their nation.
War/Peace:
- Tigers want a balance of which for eternal survival
- Diaspora bears the cost and dreams on finishing war with win, and fails to see it happening and gets angry [ones like Bhairav who wants money back]
- Wanni-T wants peace
- Col-T wants peace but not as bad as Wanni-T
- TN-T loves to hear about War in SL. Can broker peace if that peace will make the war last long.
Myth:
- Tigers spread myth about victories to diaspora, and myth on capability and "we will not loose" proof to Wanni-T.
- Diaspora sells the Separatism cookies to Wanni-T and want them to die for their "remote" dream.
- Wanni-T only eats myth
- Col-T is in between Wanni-T and Diaspora, as some sell myth and some buy it.
- TN-T creates their own myth,like Kamal Hasan and co can beat SLDF. But do not buy tiger created myth.
Corruption:
- Tigers, take money from diaspora and make a living. They bribe many elements including TN-T leaders.
- Diaspora makes fortune on their own collection. Instead of Wanni super supremo they make their own super supreme pizza with that money.
- Wanni-T has no time for corruption
- Col-T uses war zone to run corrupted business. Helps Tigers for diaspora money.
- TN-T leaders are on tiger payroll.
End:
- Tigers annihilated in SL. A Mafia like movement exists worldwide, conducting crime like credit card theft money laundering. Leadership naturally dies or get killed. Lower ranks take up to politics. All together in 20yrs they become history in SL.
- Diaspora, after the current generations they loose links with SL. Thangachchies find white D*cks entertaining and thambis go on banging whites, In another 100 years "suicide day" of Nov 27 will be celebrated in distant western pubs as a peaceful day like Thai-pon-gal. Nobody knows its real meaning.
- Wanni-T looses the numbers heavily. If lucky they will be saved as a tiny minority in SL. Anything is better than right now for them.
- Col-T grow in numbers and become a political power. May become a menace too. But most of them seem to be very sensible lads. After Annihilation of tigers they forget tigers, and some of them get heavily involved in annihilation process.
- TN-T will remember this topic during the next election again. They are a very distant and reactive component in this debate. They have enough of their problems rather than this one.
Whoops I'm moving too far from main subject of war.
Sorry about that. Desperately waiting to now whether we started marching towards 2nd FDL in NF. Can anyone inform us the latest happening there?
DW, we're closing in 500 comments here. No doubt yours is one of the most commented blogs in the world. But 500 comments is a heavy "toll" and tells me that you're busy on something else.
Sujeewa Kokawala, You said:
/We need people to oppose terrorism as terrorism is agianst humanity./
Very correct, that is why couple of days ago, I said low level patriotism is also not good. in 1983 riots were low level patriotism and no second to terrorism. When somebody attack innocent civilians for the wrongs done by someone else to kill, arson and do bodily harm, it is terrorism.
I also said, "ofcourse those were not planned but spontaneous and done by few minority elements". Still it is terrorism.
Now this is how Annonymous messed with your good work:
/Terrorism:
- Tigers started it. Tigers want it to continue./
No brother annonymous, we are also part of it,
One tamil gentleman told me one day
"You guys drove us against a blind wall with your patriotism, at the end, no where to go, we turned back. Then you all started crying the word terrorism"
I did not agree, still I do not agree fully but it is good start to keep thinking.
Then you keep on saying:
/However we DO NOT need ppl who oppose terrorism and separatism, simply because such actions are nursed by a diff ethnic group, and whose underlying ideology is opposing that race, not the menace./
Again beautifully said, I didn't go to that extent becuse most of the blogers in this blog does the same. I wanted my posts to be politically correct (PC).
Majority of tamils or sinhalese do not want racism or terrorism. They want to live peacefully with all others but just about 1% or even less voice their extreme "JATHYALAYA" so vociferously to other keep quite. We cannot go on like this. It is the time for majority to come forward and tell this minority hooligans to shut off or we will have to ship-off them.
This is exactly what happened to SL in 1983 and many other occaisions. The same thing happened to tamil community with LTTE.
It is the time to say:
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
and silent majority take over.
Sujeewa,
Your second posting you said:
/Whoops I'm moving too far from main subject of war./
No, brother, you are exactly on the war and terrorism! Do not run away fearing few attacks from hooligans. As I said majority is watching and listening. We need to bring them forward and make them express their views!
After all, if count all the posts more than 50% BS low level stray attacks with filthy words but nothing realy important.
I said this b4, I don't mind colourful langauge, if the posts contain something usefull to read and share.
DW,
Time for a new post, I know there is nothing much to say because I do not see anything worthwhile in defence.lk or army.lk.
Who knows you may have something interesting for us:
Or, at least many blogers have requested many clarifications from you during last few days.
Please clarify those, if there is nothing new. Or, you can predict what may happen in next few days.
Thank you in advance for favourable response.
Do anyone know if LTTE use Anti-Aircraft guns (sam) at Muhamale and Kilali?
A topic of more relevance:
http://www.divaina.com/2008/11/22/feature01.html
[Note that it is in sinhala.]
I personally believe that we should start formal CID investigation on NGO whereas MIC shud trace their undercover operatives. Defense Secretary is surely wanting to start this, but I am sure that some powerful politicians are opposing it and that [more than the International community] is the reason.
Sujeewa,
very well said, brother:
/I personally believe that we should start formal CID investigation on NGO whereas MIC shud trace their undercover operatives./
We need to expose, pro-LTTP agents who operate under NGO and INGO banner to cover up their real intensions, specially MFs from Norwey!
b#1,
Bro, as far as I know, anti aircraft guns and surface to air missiles are two different things.
LTTP had some sams and used them to down few air crafts some time back. Now they don't have SAMs. They tried hard to procure but failed due to USA arresting their procurement man.
I think they still have anti air craft guns as we do but SAMs.
As far as I know, we also do not have SAMs.
Rana, brother thanks for reply.
But are you sure about this
"As far as I know, we also do not have SAMs." ??
When LTTE attack A'pura base, a Bell 212 was hit by friendly fire. What was the weapon used for this? Any idea??
Over 40 civilians reach to Omanthai escaping terror grip
http://www.defence.lk/english.asp
It is interesting is that they are allowed to cross at all. It was said earlier that the LTTE had abandoned much of the area south of Mankulam and that it was de facto controlled by army special forces. Maybe there are now no LTTE cadres left at all at Omanthai?
@ anyone who has the pics of the ltte bodies from muhamale,
can you fwd it to silentknight101@gmail.com please,
thnx again,..
Bro B#1
I have emailed you those...."Ape Kollo Kotige Angei Iri Galawala....poose pataw wagei thana than vatila innawa onna"
Asithri,
Yeah mate agree with “Yes, I say to myself, what a wonderful world this is”….!!!
I feel like singing "We Will We Will Rock You" only I would like to substitute the word Rock with something else.
Have a good weekend alla
Cheers
Bro TropicalStorm,
I have sent you the pics you requested from Ali
Cheers Wewa
Apino,
Can you please forward that email to me also to
SamPerera1@guerrillamail.org
On a serious note....after reading about Bro AmmaGahaiGahwi's attempt to sponsor a kid of a Solder who had made the ultimate scarifies, I was motivated to do the same.
Then I contacted my cousin who is in SL and inquired about it, and found out that there is a distant relative who fits a bill.
But also came across some horror stories too...i.e. how difficult it is for military widows to get their compensation and even pensions organized. Apparently they have to navigate a labyrinth of beurocratic red tape and some cheap military admins would even demand some sexual favors to process payment.
Imagine guys this is the treatment meted out to our war heroes families. However, all I have is some second hand information and raising this in this blog I may have walked on the wrong side of our Patriots.
Good if DW and other connected Patriots can shed some light on this.
I'll be the happiest to learn that there is no substance to this story. But if its true God Bless Sri Lanka.
If such stories are true, then it makes a folly out of all the ramblings done by Web-Solders and Keyboard Warriors and Laptop Infantryman like me.
Brings a not-so-old saying to my mind...."Thoru Moru H-kaddi....Api Thami Thalenne" ....this applies to innocent and poor families who are keeping military machine rolling on BOTH sides by sending their kids to war.
Cheers All.
P.S. Don't mean to dampen our jubilant mood.
guys,
this is shocking the way these offices are situated
i remember kaarti mentioned this a long time ago.
avoiding these will be impossible IF we are to take kili. on the other hand, tigers can hide in these compounds and attack including arti attacks.
the order to get out has had not much effect it seems although some have lost.
Bro Sam Perera....
How can I say not to you .....Email just left my pda.
Cheers
Apino,
Thanks for the mail. :)
Thanks Apino
Okay Gentleman,
Time for me to head out for a good massage and all.
Have a good week and please avoid Monkey Bashing.
P.S.Would like to invite all Patriots to refrain from bashing monkeys. Give it a try and see what happens.
B#1, Sam Perera,
Most welcome and its the least I could do towards SL & Patriots....
Very little Apino can contribute on matters of war specific to SL. (other than occasional monkey bashing which I have stop by now)
One more thing..before I go....I have this nagging feeling that PuttyTatts will pull off another stunt to please their benefactors....Another ToyAirForce sortie or a bomb blast targeting Economic/Military and even civilian target.....I don't know.
I only hope our guys are ready. Whats the point of talking techno miss matches and incompatibility of weapons once they carry out another stunt.
Cheers
Looks pretty dim
After looking at the map I see there is going to be a door to door battle, with so many underground bunkers, as well as Im sure the stores are filled with rations which will help out in a case we cut out all roads in and out of Kili, we should charge the UN, they should have kepth there offices on the perimeters, not all together in one bunch, its rather dis-heartening.
sam,
i recon you should delete the post that contains your second email.
remember there are barbarians also here like peter, MF-hen, etc.
don't reveal too much personal info.
very little news seems to be tickling.
any updates defencewire?
Rana,
Heh Heh Heh
You were spot on with your answer to Wijepala (Sinahle etc). You may note that I tried to have an intelligent conversation with him attempting to explore whether he is really using good academic sources for his arguments.
Unfortunately, except for providing Mahadevan as a reference, he has also quoted Wikipedia, which is highly suspect when it comes to subjects like this (unlike subjects that you and I might be interested in such as mathematics).
Wijepala has also betrayed another tactic which is to adopt a school-boy debating tact of turning someone's words around to undermine their argument. Thus his attempt at using my comment about "Sinhale" which you understood very well.
I am not sure that it is worth having this conversation with him as his mind seems closed. He has made up his mind that there were actually two "races" on this island from ancient times. The fact that there are no races as such (other than the Human Race) is an important point to make here.
Yes I do believe that Sri Lankans should identify themselves as such first and Tamil, Sinhala, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu second. It is perhaps the most diverse and truely representative country of all religions in the World. I am all for the people of SL celebrating their unity in diversity. But don't attack the Sinhala Buddhists in the attempt to somehow look egalitarian. We have simply had enough and we will no longer tolerate it!
With regard to 1983. I am afraid Moshe, my opinion is that we can never forget it. We must seek out and prosecute the "Jathi Alay" traitors as much as we should do the same to the diasporic and internal LTTE agents.
BTW,
Seylan was the Dutch corruption of Sinhale
The portuguese may have had two different names:
Sinhale -> Ceialo
Seehalam-> Ceylom
It all converges back to Sinhale (including Ceylon). Ironically, in my experience overseas, the most vociferous opposition to change of name form "Ceylon" to "Sri Lanka" came from Tamil diaspora.
Wijepala, please read my lips. I don't object to my brothers identifying themselves as Tamil. But I think if you are truely conversant with history and have read any academic articles widely (you may not have such access) then you would be aware that there was no Tamil consciousness or identity prior to mid 19th century. Any attempt at extrapolating this backwards to an earlier presence of such an identity in a continuous sense is fraught with controversy. There is on the other hand a continuous Sinhala identity going back to the middle ages (not ancient times). This identity, which was the national identity only became an ethnic identity with the advent of the British. I think most sinhalas are OK with it and do not consider the island exclusively theirs.
Tropical Storm
It was good to hear the comments by a foreign expert about the Sri Lankan military. I agree about the comment about General Fonseka. He is good man and a good General. But he is not a politician and should have realised that a journalist would use any controversial phrases he used to good effect. I also think that he would have learnt from it.
Ananda-USA,
Thankyou sir for your comments. I whole heartedly agree about the need to have 500 000 strong defence force. We need at least that many to match the soldier per population base that the Kandyan King could raise.
I also think that it would be a good idea to promote the Defence University to a higher level by providing any volunteer, regular or reserves who join the forces an opportunity to go as high as they can in tertiary education including opportunities for foreign stints. Let the Military be the engine that runs the Sri Lankan economy.
In regard to this its was heartening to note the respect that the American Officers paid to General Prami Kulatunge when he was assasinated by a tera. They clearly regarded him as a brother. It is most important for SLDF to continue this promotion of brotherhood between its officers and various armed forces around the World.
Sheesh,
I am finding myself doing too much serious discussion here. Takes too much energy. I miss the LTTE moles who are fun to niggle. They appear to be in denial about this counter attack which has been coming for months now.
Reminds me of a diasporic, LTTE sympathising emeritaus Professor many years back. When Rajiv was assassinated he tried to imply that it must have been a plot by Premadasa.
Eventually, Premadasa was also assassinated and I had the opportunity to ask him whether Preme had ordered it to cover up his crime against Gandhi.
Does anyone remember the famous cartoonist at the time. He had the theme of the village idiot and the Mudallali.
Idiot (Piyasena?): Mudallalai, Mudalllai, Janadhipathithumawa marala.
Mudallali: Ona Ottuwak, oka arooge wedak!
Haaa, Haaa, Haaaa!
Bring on the 27th of November.
Apino,
Can you please send those photo's to
huththeltte@gmail.com
apino-
Please share with me too.
perein.perein@gmail.com
Down the Primrose Path
Lol!
Apino
Could you please share with me too. Many thanks.
merandy@gmail.com
is this someones ploy to collect e mails id's
can anyone confirm receiving this e mail, that is supposed to be forwarded
Sri Lankikaya-
You do have a point, however giving the mail ID away cannot loose too much.
Once I get it from Apino, will share with Moshe who should be able to share with you too.
Dear Ananda-USA
"There was considerable opposition to the idea from various people, notably Wijayapala, whose agenda I fully understand, because it would preclude the ability to blackmail and browbeat Sri Lanka into submission again in the future."
You disappeared for a few days without answering my response to your points, and it was rather disappointing to see you now resort to ad hominem attacks against me instead of refuting what I had to say.
I posted the views of a former SLA soldier, David Blacker, who had served in the early 1990s at EPS and interacts with the military to support my own, and you had no answer to give. Perhaps you would accuse Blacker of being "unpatriotic" as well, simply because he doesn't concur with your "armchair perspective?"
If this is the best attempt to defend your beliefs, then perhaps Rana was correct to say that your posts are "useless".
"The article below, written by Gen. Rohan Daluwatte, basically says the same thing, though in much less detail. I quote Gen. Daluwatte "it is the duty of the President and the Government to use all the powers and resources at its disposal, whether it is financial, legal, manpower, and everything else towards eliminating the threat."
It appears that you took Gen. Daluwatte's words totally out of context. The article discussed the government's present priority of preparing the armed forces to defeat LTTE separatism/terrorism. There is nothing in Daluwatte's article that prescribes a POST-LTTE force structure for the SLA, nor does Daluwate identify a post-LTTE **ENEMY** that Sri Lanka will face.
If you missed my response to your arguments, I'll repost so that we can have a civilized debate:
The basic problem with using the military to spearhead development is that it's less efficient than using other means and is ultimately more costly. If you're arguing that we should use existing military resources after the war for development, such as Army engineers and naval/air facilities, then I will not disagree with that.
However if you're arguing that we should spend a fortune to expand these military resources for peacetime development, then I would disagree.
"During the last 35 years, for better or worse, Sri Lanka has gained much experience in fighting an insurgency of the worst kind. Terrorism is now a commonplace cottage industry in the world; we can offer training to the armed forces of other friendly nations in need of training."
We have already begun using our military expertise to make $$:
http://blacklightarrow.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/interview-with-the-vampyr-a-sri-lankan-mercenary-in-iraq/
"But there are many other weapons systems, mechanical and electrical, software and hardware, exploiting the latest developments in solid-state electronics, robotics, sensors, communications and materials that would fall
within the envelope of feasibility for us."
If we had this expertise, we would be building our own UAVs instead of chasing after Israel for them.
As I mentioned previously, Israel was able to establish its indigenous defense industry only after getting billions of $$ from the US for free. We don't have that luxury.
"Finally, there are many highly qualified scientists, engineers, medical doctors, and
others, some with specialized state-of-the-art defense industry knowledge, who given the opportunity, would love to help the motherland without remuneration."
There are, and I agree that they would provide a tremendous benefit, but our political system has a way of telling these patriots to go to hell. Even the current govt. has totally failed to tap into expatriate expertise, despite the fact that Gotabhaya and Basil themselves were former expatriates.
Thus it would appear that before we can harness the expertise of expatriate Sri Lankans, we will first need to overhaul our political dynamics.
"The prevention of a military coup was never a concious consideration of any SL government. In any case, if the regular force is much smaller than the National Guard, as I propose, it is very unlikely that a coup-de-etat would be attempted."
*If the National Guard is dependent on the regular army for training, it is unlikely that it would support the civilian government against a coup attempt.
David Blacker suggested a regular force of 50,000-60,000 and a reserve force of equal strength. A large and independently-trained police force would both provide law and order as part of post-conflict reconstruction and would provide further deterrence against a coup attempt.
*I would support the idea of retraining demobilized SLA to become police officers.
"By the way, this is the reason for the constitutional right for people to own and bear arms in the US. A weel armed population was considered to be a deterrent to abuse by an armed government."
Note that the 2nd Amendment is very controversial in the US. The "right" to bear arms has not really helped Iraq or Afghanistan that much.
"At independence our relations with India were so good that we did not feel, quite foolishly in retrospect, that we had any external enemies; so we didn't prepare for it. If we had paid any attention to our own history of repeated invasions from South India, we would have done otherwise."
I don't think it was foolish (but I do think that starting a war with the Tamils without being prepared was foolish). Ancient history does not provide appropriate analogies for the present- in the past we would outmaneuver Chola enemies by cultivating ties with their Pandyan and/or Chera rivals. In other words, there was plenty of division in India to exploit.
That situation does not exactly exist today. India is a single, though somewhat federated state- a virtual superpower compared to what it was in the past. We can reach out to countries like China and Pakistan, but their ability to counter India is limited given its size and strength. For a small country like ours, deterrence by force would not be viable.
*To quote Amma-G: "Too many fcuking Indians simply!"
That leaves us with other means, namely influencing India's internal politics. Some people here think that we should establish closer ties with N. India to counter the south. I would take things one step further in that we can form alliances in S. India itself that would weaken if not neutralize the threat from anti-SL forces in that region.
*In fact, Mahinda has already initiated taking the diplomatic war to the "enemy" (it took some serious balls for Mahinda to convey his views through a pro-LTTE rag like Junior Vikatan):
Give up violence, enter non-violent path of Democracy, Sri Lanka President appeal to Prabakaran through ‘Junior Vikatan’
http://www.asiantribune.com/?q=node/14279
"It was the military weakness of Sri Lanka, the presence of a large Tamil population across the Palk strait, that encouraged the aggression against Sri Lanka,"
Yet we did not have much control over this relative military weakness. There was pretty much nothing we could do from independence onward to prepare for a full-on military confrontation with the Indian behemoth, even if we starved the country to build an army.
"You point to the riots of 1983 at the spark that triggered the conflict, but we all know that the insurgents were being trained and deposited on our soil by India itself well before that, and that it took about 4-years of killings and hit-and-run raids before 1983 for the pot to boil over in 1983."
That's not true- there is no evidence that India trained SL Tamil militants before 1983. As I've pointed out before, there were far too few militants back then to make a difference in any case. Even the mainstream parties in TN knew little about the LTTE and other groups.
The Indians only began to notice SL Tamil militancy in 1982 after the shootout between Prabakaran and Uma Maheswaran. The LTTE successfully convinced Karunanidhi, who had not previously heard of the LTTE and was in the TN opposition at that time, to push Indira Gandhi not to extradite Thalaivar to SL.
MGR, the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu was anti-Eelam until the 1983 riots. At the International Tamil Conference in Madurai in 1981, he had Amirthalingam's Eelam exhibit torn down. After the riots he not only supported Tamil separatism but patronized the LTTE to the exclusion of other militant groups.
"The provocation was delibrately designed to evoke the violent response it did in 1983."
On the contrary, the events in 1983 demonstrated that JR's government had an active role in the violence. The violence was NOT spontaneous; contrary to what JR later claimed, the Sinhala people were not predisposed to murder thousands of innocent Tamils in one week.
"In the 35 years since, we have not seen a similar event."
That is evidence that the violence was not spontaneous or engineered from outside, but rather from the inside. The same thing occurred in India in 1984 with the anti-Sikh riots- the Congress government facilitated attacks against the Sikhs after the murder of Indira Gandhi.
"we have little leverage with India in controlling Tamil Nadu or acting on perceptions to its security,"
That is because we haven't been resourceful. You can't influence TN politics, for example, if you can't even speak the local language. I can assure you that it would cost far less to improve our education system and prepare SL for proper diplomacy than to build a 500,000-man SLA that probably would not be up to the task of defeating a potential Indian invasion.
*Nevertheless, there are pro-SL forces in India and even TN which you have conveniently ignored, probably because they demolish your argument of a dedicated Indian threat against SL:
The dangers of Tamil chauvinism
Malini Parthasarathy
http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/14/stories/2008101454490800.htm
We are firmly committed to a political solution: President Rajapaksa
N. RAM
http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/29/stories/2008102957320100.htm
*Can you show one mainland Chinese newspaper which carries pro-Taiwan sentiments, the way that The Hindu, a Tamil Nadu-based paper is pro-SL? One Arab paper which is pro-Israel?
"In the subsequent 30 years, few countries made as much headway as Sri Lanka towards social equity as literacy, the essential preconditions for economic growth."
As we discussed, SL would not have achieved these things if it prioritized building a large army. We would've wound up like Burma.
"For example, I remember how backward Malaysia was then compared to Sri Lanka, yet Malaysia is now far ahead of us in
economic development."
The primary difference between SL and other countries like Malaysia and even India is that we had very poor leadership (among both the Sinhalese and the SL Tamils). We did not have an independence struggle that mobilized the entire population and united the various communities. The ancestors of the leaders who inherited power after independence were those who had sucked up to the British. They had such limited imaginations that they could not conceive of leading without resorting to communalist appeals. We are still dealing with the consequences.
"I mean a large regular force (500,000 strong) that forms the core, and a much larger reserve National Guard force, essentially every adult (male and female) that can bear arms."
Where will you find the funds to arm each adult Sri Lanka? Will the minorities be included in this National Guard and be similarly armed?
"Some of these countries are certainly not good models for us to emulate, but others are."
Which ones? I've already shown how we cannot emulate Israel given that we do not have a similar ally/donor.
"Regarding the comparative willingness of Israelis and Sri Lankans to endure conscription, I strongly disagree with you."
It is ok to disagree. How come we have not adopted conscription so far even though we've had a very serious war for the last 25+ years?
One last comment: To prepare against an external threat (either a foreign state intervention, or Tamil diaspora hoping to rearm LTTE remnants), the best investment would be towards the SLN and SLAF, not the SLA, since we have no land borders to defend. A future external enemy would have to fly or swim to reach us.
A close monitoring of the pro-LTTE websites and forums indicate that the LTTE is indeed preparing for a “do or die” final battle just like they did during Operation Jeyasikuru in 1998-1999 period. But at that time around the LTTE was one step ahead of security forces in planning, preparing and executing whereas now the situation is the other way around, even though the LTTE was preparing for war during peace. The pro-LTTE “LankaSri” Tamil website today reported that around 250 troops are being cut off and cordoned by LTTE between Paranthan and K’nochi.
According to my assessment, the LTTE avoids confrontations with the military to minimize their casualties as they very well aware of the Sun Tzu’s lessons that “When enemy wants you to fight don’t fight and do fight when enemy unexpected you to fight”.
Therefore the security forces must always be vigilant and expect the unexpected and continuously engage the enemy and must not to give them time to plan, prepare and execute.
Also there are credible reports hinting that the LTTE is in shortage of weapons and ammunitions, as their entire source of supplies are eliminated including the ones from ocean going vessels and the Indian fishermen’s supply chain that is since the fall of Pooneryn. Hence the only alternate way of getting the weapons and ammunitions is that “capturing it from the security forces itself” by infiltrating the FDLs and launching “major surprise raids” in the vast jungle areas of the Wanni terrain which is very well known to LTTE but not to the security forces.
In order to avoid this very same old tactics of LTTE the security forces should establish “zig-zag military observation posts”(OPs) between 1Km-2Km distance where there is a platoon to a company of troops will be guarding with well fortified consolidations, instead of building up huge and long FDLs. This way when LTTE try to infiltrate they will be got caught in between the zig-zag out posts. It was the very same tactics General Janaka Perera used during Operation Riviresa in 1995 to capture Jaffna peninsula and it worked.
Mayilravana,
"Wijepala, please read my lips. I don't object to my brothers identifying themselves as Tamil. But I think if you are truely conversant with history and have read any academic articles widely (you may not have such access) then you would be aware that there was no Tamil consciousness or identity prior to mid 19th century."
On the contrary, it would appear that you do have a problem with Tamils identifying themselves as Tamils, otherwise you wouldn't be insisting that there was no Tamil identity prior to the 19th century without providing any solid evidence.
"There is on the other hand a continuous Sinhala identity going back to the middle ages (not ancient times)."
If you are basing your evidence on Sinhala literary sources (and I would argue that there was a Sinhala Buddhist identity in ancient times, based on the Pali chronicles, which manifested during crisis), then I can show probably with more evidence that there was a Tamil identity since the early Christian era, based on Tamil literature.
Have you even read any Sangam-age poetry? Or the Jain/Buddhist epic literature? How did you become an expert on Tamil culture?
"Let the Military be the engine that runs the Sri Lankan economy."
Can you show an example of one prosperous country where the military had controlled the economy?
Pakistan which is in billions of US$ in debt is my favorite example of a military-driven economy. You and Ananda-USA should read Military Inc. by Ayesha Jalal which describes how the Pakistani military's involvement in the economy helped produce rampant corruption in both sectors.
Srilankikaya and Perein,
"is this someones ploy to collect e mails id's
can anyone confirm receiving this e mail, that is supposed to be forwarded"
With respect to my request, it is just a request. No any hidden agenda. I just want to see our brave brothers achievements.
Mahavamsa Mindeset
Mஅஹவம்ஸ Mஇன்டெஸெட்
Lol!
Pol!
gal!
Merandy,
http://srilankan-news.blogspot.com/
According to Tstorm in DN, those pic's are now appearing on above link.
Those are very old pics.
on 27th VP மகெ புகெ அரினவ ஹ ஹ!
Hello koti (peter ,thiru,valavan ).How are you ?your peelam is going hell . Any way keep dreaming by reading tamilshit .
Valavan said (Tamils read tamil nutz, you sinhala nutz read defencewire. As long as SL president or VP worry abt people, you won't stop war. what is paining for you in separating the nation like czech and slovakia.enough life losses, separate nation and live peacefully.wake up everyone. )
Valavan .it is not tamil nutz .it is tamilshitz:)
war will not stop till we finish ltte terrorism . see 2 years back how big was imaginary peelam but today it has lost 90%of land .so dont worry it will finish within next year :)
But as you say we separate this land war will never end .do you want to see war for another 100 years ?
ok just think .now practically there are no Sinhalese in sakkilinochi or mulathiv but how many Tamils are living in south with us ?Do you know more than 50%of tamil population are in south . Do you think that they would go to peelam by leaving all their properties in south?:)wake up .we all accept that every one(Sinhalese,Tamils and Muslims ) can live in this country but no one can separate this country . Czech and Slovaks had deferent history .they made both countries together October 1918 and separated in 1993 but we have one country for more than 2500 years and we have defended it from the most powerful enemies of the world by sacrificing millions of lives .Thats why we cant separate this country in a very simple manner like Czechs and Slovaks did. :)
SF interview.
click here.
Pottu suffers heart attack
Ranger-
Where did you get the info from?
Apino thambi,
Yeka mattath ekkak evanda appa. Mun maata meka thama hadala dunna.
ponna.velu@gmail.com
Velvan,
Romba thanks thambi. Man keenawa keenawa Chingala muniya ahannee nee. Digattama gaanawa.
Apino, evapan da.
patriots,
THE GATHERING STORM
a storm is gathering in vanni. take a look at the following 2 pictures carefully.
1. in jaffna which is under SLA men outnumber women
2. most likely men outnumber women in vanni BUT these pics of 'civilians' show a SEVERE lack of men. where have they gone? also notice how CAREFULLY women, kids and old ppl are mixed in some pics with a few men.
3. imagine the vanni rally had the 'missing men' IN ARMS. imagine LTTE cadres from behind pushing them to attack SLA defences in large numbers claiming that 'they are reclaiming' their land. can SLA kill about 5,000 (VERY VERY low estimate) civilians? if they don't, what will happen?
4. in 1999 and 2000 what was termed "ceaseless waves" had a large number of untrained EASTERN cadres (the cheepest in LTTE ranks). now the 'cheepest' in LTTE ranks are.............CIVILIANS!!!
5. does the LTTE give a rat's arse about civilians?
6. how will TN and india react IF SLA do the right thing by attacking the attackers?
7. to top it all this week is the crappy 'mahaveer crap' week
LTTE MAY BE getting ready for what we feared most. this is ENTIRELY different to 1999-2000. we can EASILY handle it. BUT if in the process civilians die in large numbers, we will be forced to stop the war.
leading upto this it makes sense to "neutralise" the SLAF bcos SLAF may become the decider in such a battle.
Adee appaaa..
Pottu suffers heart attack
Marrayaa Adda Ghanawwa ...
This news item may give some inf about expected battle field developments.
"The Tigers would be evicted from A9 and the re-opening of the road closed in August 2006 would be a reality soon, he said."
click here.
Sri Lankikaya
I can confirm recieving Apino's emailed pictures and they are published on
http://srilankan-news.blogspot.com/
Are those guys parading in Jaffna?
Can anyone who reads Tamil ttranslate what the banner reads, please?
this is fantastic.
dr john pulle's article "LTTE killed our obama" has been translated to german!
well done. this is the way to go.
the german translation
the original article
Wijayapala,
I don't believe you are naive enough to believe your own bullshit about militant Tamil separatism starting after 1983. From the 1970s there have been Tamil organisations working through both military and political ways for a separate nation. I don't have the time to go through the entire history with you, but I can point to you some pages in 'Sri Lankan Tamil Insurgency' by Rohan Gunaratne. You can read about the activities of the LTTE in the 1970s and its links to Amirthalingam (page 8-12). You can read a speech made by Krishna Vaikunthavasan (of TCC, now an LTTE front) to the UN General Assembly in 1978 calling for a separate nation. The only thing that happened in 1983 that the international financing for LTTE got a huge boost with the thousands of Tamils leaving Sri Lanka.
I also recommend 'Anthropologizing Sri Lanka' by Susantha Goonatilake, as your awareness of Sri Lankan history from a non-Tamil perspective is very weak.
But may be you consider authors as 'racists' too.
Asithri
/Bro, with all due respect, I think you should not waste time on this “Wijayapala” aka “Wijayaplan” undercover Tamil racist motherfcuker!/
If one fights with arms then we have to fight with arms. If one fights with words we have to fight with words.
Peelaam project consists of:
1. Military front (LTTE)
2. Political front (LTTE/ TNA etc)
3. Ideilogical front (LTTE +individuals)
SLA is defaeting military front. SLFP/ UNP are supposed to defeat them in political front. In the doctrine front its upto individuals to do that.
In recent past sinhala people avoid putting time for this while diaspora work hard resulting winning the propaganda war. So with all due respect, I disagree with you and say we should make counter arguements whenever we see us being attacked and we should do that wisely.
Wijayapala
Some are worrying about arguements out of decence. Politics, history and economy cannot be avoided as they relate to current war. Also, I can't go away from the middle of an arguement. I hope we may not drag this in a useless way.
/I was thinking of the Mahavamsa and Culavamsa./
@ Lanka vs Sinhale--
I am not histroy expert or litriture guy. But my understanding is Sanskrit pundits who dominated the litriture at that era like to used the word 'lanka' (which was used in ramayana etc) for us and our scholers followed them most of the time thus may be they also use the same word. At the same time. other international parties (traders, travellers..) have used the word sinhale implying avarage people used that word introducing themselves and country to outsiders.
/How have his views changed? Back then he blamed Tamils for everything wrong in SL, and today he blames Tamils for everything wrong in SL./
@ Nalin--
He writes broadly; from quantem michanics to litriture and maxism to constructive reletivity. I was refering his views as a whole.
However, I don't see he blaming on 'tamils' at least a single time rather he use the term 'tamil racism' continuously. May be you have not read him carefully.
/His original target audience were students who could be influenced into committing violent acts. This is what was observed in 1983./
Its not clear what you try to say. If you are saying he influenced students to kill tamils in July 83 then you should be joking.
/But there are more problems with Nalin. Did you know that LTTE activists in Western countries would actually use Nalin's own writings to argue to Europeans that the Sinhalese are an evil genocidal race intent on destroying the Tamils?/
1. Nalin has never siad about destroying tamils. If one can't find the difference between destroying tamils and defeating tamil racism its theier inability.
2. If LTTE have to use single person's written articles to prove a whole nation is evil it shows how bankruot is LTTE.
3. If whoever those europians belive such LTTE propaganda totaly based on Nalin's articles they should be really dumb. (But, yes, it matters for us.)
/"There is really no point blaming on Nalin or (Jathika Chinthanaya or associated people) for tamil or sinhala racism."
In that case, we shouldn't blame TULF or ITAK for tamil/sinhala racism either. No point in blaming Amirthalingam or Chelvanayagam for racism./
I find your arguements getting weaker. How can you compare Nalin who had number of listners can be put into two CTB buses with Amirthalingam who was addressing to basically whole tamil population in SL?
I came across this blog recently. Some of the discussions are very disturbing. First we should think why we have to discuss about killing Tamil people. This war was the creation of Sinhala politicians from 1915 Sinhala-Muslim riots.
LTTE is only the manifestation of Sinhala nationalistic extremism.
As we hate the LTTE we should also hate Sinhala political swindlers like Mahindha, Kotabhaya and Kealiya. For the war is a money spinner.
How many innocent Sinhala soldiers are going to die in this unwanted war?
Why don't they come up with a political solution and solve this for good?
What will happen to Tamil people if the government win the war?
The war started in 1983 and Tamil seperation desire started in 1956.
Before 1948 Tamil leaders worked shoulder to shoulder with Sinahala leaders to get Independance. After Independance Sinahal extremism ruined this country.
We should defeat the LTTE because they have killed more Tamil people than the Army but before that we should have our peaceful demands.
If the government comes up with a good political solution no one will support the LTTE and the war will end within a couple of months. Tamil mothers and fathers will bring their LTTE children to army camps and hand them over. India will finish the LTTE in no time.
Tamils have outperformed Sinhalas and it is natural that jeolousy arises in the minds of the majority. But they should understand Tamils are naturally gifted professionals than Sinhalas. No disrespect but Sinhalas are better in other fields. Therefore Tamils are marginally better in apprehending and devising a political solution where Sinahal, Tamil and Mosolem people can live in territories governed by their own people within a united Sri Lanka.
Peace be to all.
Mr Wijayapala,
I find that you are fighting a lone battle against Sinhala war mongers and LTTE Tamil extremists.
War with LTTE is OK as far as civilians and poor Tamil boys and girls are not massacred by a trained and well armed army which must conduct itself according to the rules of war. Unfortunately this war is fought to benefit politicians and to suppress the Tamil voice.
If the war makes it impossible to arrive at a political solution, what is the point of the war?
I am against the LTTE and Pirapaharan but Tamil aspirations must be addressed which is not happening.
Rather than discuss war, we should discuss peace here.
I am from Jaffna and I am a professional based in a developed country where people are respected irrespective of their ethnicity. it is unfortunate Tamils in foreign countries have to work for Tamils in Sri Lanka because Tamils in Sri Lanka are not allowed to express themselves.
Sinhala Buddhists are a very noble race and this nobleness should be protected. Otherwise whenever Buddhism is sidscussed the world will be aghast with what happens in Sri Lanka.
Let me be of assistance to you. Together we can change this extremist mentality.
Please feel free to drop an email at my email address - peacebetoall@gmail.com
Peace be to all.
Paece Be to Azz
Dont talk bullshit mate.
In your good old days the Brits promoted the tamils over the sinhalas and later senior tamil administrators continued the "good work" using the administrative system to promote tamils over the sinhalas.
Given equal opportunity the sinhala's are as good or better any day. This has been proven overa and over again at the Universities particularly and after the late 50's in all other fields.
Saying tamils are better than the sinhalas is a myth. Its being promoted by the "Tamizh Nation" and holds no water in reality.
Asthri,
Please sed me those pic you are talking about
gurulanka@gmail.com
Peace be to all,
Tamils have outperformed Sinhalas and it is natural that jeolousy arises in the minds of the majority. But they should understand Tamils are naturally gifted professionals than Sinhalas.
I think you have answered your own questions about why peace is very difficult - it is difficult because of narrow-minded racists like yourself who think that Tamils are superior to Sinhalese.
Many military experts waisting their time here. Every word you use here we Ltte F-C-rs learn something. Your expertise is better for us. Singala never understand this and very good.
I requested from you to make a list of real singala ltte lovers. But no body wants it. So nobody love singala. This name list will be useful for me to give them eelam nationality for you to identi fy real en-my. Why not anyone like to contribute the names
I added today
Mr.Somawahanse Aamarasingham
Mr.Upul Joshepe Fernando
Mr.Sunanda Deshapriya
who else?
My birthday oh oh ohhhhh you will see:
26 ---- Dong!!!!
27------------Ding!!!!!
28---------------DOOOOOMmmmmmm!!!
I spent so much money to
www.lankaenews.com(LTTE Singala web)
&
Mangala Samaraweera (Manpon Sampon -name given by me)
But I'm noway satisfy their speed.
Sorry B#1 and TS I was busy all week and did not get to visit the site . Saw that Alpino has done the needful .
I guess even DW cannot publish this stuff . both parties (mostly defence) is keeping stuff under wraps .
I think it is a good thing .
Oh ok...wait I think Im having an indigestion, did someone say, Tamils are much more intelligent, because they were gifted..oh is it, then why has the leader of this organization called the LTTE swindled in a decadent war that has lasted more than 3 decades, killed the lives of many tamils and actually looking at the situation got them nowhere.Look, this is one country, your getting nowhere if you are trying to seperate it.
Peace be to all,
First Ithought, I should answer to you, then I found you have not said anthing worth while to answer.
If you have only one sided garbage to throw here, think twice before continueing.
You all want peace and political solution when your military arm become too short even to wipe clean its own arse.
No thsi war will contine as long as LTTP, VP and Pottu are alive.
Don't make any mistake about that.
That is final and not negotiable.
Ali brother, you said:
/Saw that Alpino has done the needful/
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this!!!
It would have been better if said albino instead alpino!!!!
How about calling you agli hereafter?
Be careful with names, mate.
The Punisher,
You got it all wrong,
Tamils do not think they are intelligent but diaspora do!
Vesapillei is a low grade dropt out supposed to be a modaya but he is milking so intelligent diaspora and have millions in his overseas bank accounts.
Who is intelligent now?
Who are the modayas?
Huh ha Heh ho
Guys,
I only stated a fact that Tamils have outperformed the Sinhalas in certain areas like in medicine, engineering, accountancy, legal studies.
This is a fact.
If I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologise.
I want this violence to end with least number of casualties.
By the way I'm not a racist just because I'm a free thinking Tamil. I support the government's war but it should be carried out safeguarding the Tamils.
Will the government endanger the Sinhalas in the war? No. I remember the Elam War IV started when the LTTE attacked Sinhala settlements in Mavialaru. Why can't the government protect Tamil villages in Kilinochchi and Mulaitivu districts as well.
Fight the LTTE, kill the LTTE but don't do things that displace, kill, injure and endanger Tamil civilians.
Sri Lanka is the only country that bombs its own civilians. Bomb tigers I have no problem but don't hurt civilians.
We should discuss how to save civilians and LTTE fighters while fighting the war.
If there is a good political solution, do you think these poor kids will go to war?
That is the true victory. Otherwise everyone loses.
Ok here it goes to you Peace be to All.
I at the age of 13 was told by a Psychologist that I wasnt a normal human being, at that age I was able to do things adults past beyond mine or double, that means that if you and I sit to do something Im able to do it twice as fast as you, reason is 80% of the time my brain wave patterns are twice the average of my age, I am able to do things for my age you cant even dream of doing...you think you are smarter than me, at the age of 21 and a half Im the country manager of my company, beat that...
Well guys,
if you love your rugby, the I have news.
All Blacks (NZ) just beat Walse 19/9 (union rugby) and lsat night Kiwis(NZ) beat Kangaroos(Aus) 32/20(league rugby).
Another good week end by dusk if we get the second FDL at Muhamalei.
Any news?
I only stated a fact that Tamils have outperformed the Sinhalas in certain areas like in medicine, engineering, accountancy, legal studies.
Actually what you stated was "But they should understand Tamils are naturally gifted professionals than Sinhalas."
May be you are senile and forget easily? Please get checked for Alzheimers. Or may be you are too stupid to know the difference between the two statements you made. Either way you are probably not one of the naturally gifted Tamils. May be the natural gift is restricted to certain castes, and you are not one of them?
I want this violence to end with least number of casualties.
There is only one way for that now - LTTE has to surrender and hand over their weapons. That should be very clear even to a senile old fool like yourself. So no point wasting your time here, please work with the rest of the diaspora and ask the LTTE to surrender and release the civilians they hold hostage. LTTE will face the wrath of the 'superior' Sri Lankan forces till they surrender.
Rana, was an amazing game. Aussies walked up to the Haka - big mistake in hind sight. Kiwis played like men possessed.
Peace be to Azz
You are obviously speaking from through your ass when you say that tamils have outperformed the sinhala in medicine, engineering, law etc.
Seems that you have the mythological mindset created by the spinners at "Tamil Nation".
To save the tamizh civilians, all the di-asspora have to do is convince the ZTTE to let the civilians go free from the conflict zones instead of using them as human shields, stop locating artillery and mortar near civilian houses and stop having ZTTE safe houses adacent to civilians.
If you are clueless about LTTE atrocities read the publications of UTHUR.
Brothers,
Please bear with me regarding the conversation I am conducting with Wijepala/Wijayapala. Consider it of strategic importance as a psyops operation.
Wijepala,
"Can you show an example of one prosperous country where the military had controlled the economy? "
I'll give you 2: China, USA
There is a difference between "the military being the engine that runs the economy" to "military controlling the economy". There is a subtle difference. Control is done by Government and Central Bank, running is done by a hist of stake-holders. In the two countries above the military has had a huge impact in propelling them into superpowers (post WWII for US and currently for China). Please be careful about paraphrasing me in future. If you have done it by mistake I forgive you. If you are doing it deliberately/out of habit it is a school boy tactic.
"Have you even read any Sangam-age poetry? Or the Jain/Buddhist epic literature? How did you become an expert on Tamil culture?"
(I don’t read Tamil or Pali but would like to learn as I don’t completely trust the interpretations of historians with their own agendas).
I am not going to argue with you about the Tamil-Sinhala identity any further. If you desire you can look it up yourself. I've provided you with just a few of all the references I have read. The evidence is not just based on formal literature but folk tales, poetry and music and independently established documentation as well as archaeology from ancient times which provides the backdrop for it.
"otherwise you wouldn't be insisting that there was no Tamil identity prior to the 19th century without providing any solid evidence."
(evidence in the social sciences is very rarely to be considered solid. It is always relative and subject to change as new evidence emerges. This of course generally the case with science in general).
The assertion for this is in one of the references I have provided. The evidence is numerous. Go and read for yourself. No, I am not an expert in Tamil history but I am very interested for various reasons. In this blog the relevant interest is strategic. If you are an expert then say so. Arrogance comes before a fall. So be careful about challenging even a non-expert who may nevertheless be well trained academically and can see the holes in the arguments and assertions made by experts. It is the responsibility of the expert to explain to lay people using simple but logical language.
My original entry into discussion with you was assuming that you are an expert, with the honest intention of obtaining real evidence from you for existence of a people and a nation which called themselves "Tamil". So far you have not demonstrated that you are an expert (in the sense that I refer to above) nor have you displayed evidence that convinces me of that. I have read critical reviews of Mahadevan’s work and in fact one of the references I provided (Shinu A. Abraham) does deal with the validity of the works of Mahadevan among others. You have not provided me with the evidence that I required (“tamil” identity referred to in ancient literature let alone epigraphy) and given that you heavily imply that you have read Sangham poetry or early Buddhist/Jain epics I would have thought that you would have the intellectual honesty to provide the evidence. Mahadevan does not.
You have in a previous post indicated that the works such as Mahavamsa do not refer to the Sinhalas. I own a copy of the translation of Deepavamsa (by Hermann Oldenbery- I trust it because he provides the original Pali in Roman script. Being a sinhala the meaning is clear to me without a translation). Let me quote a passage from it (both the Pali and English translation): Beginning of Chapter 9:
Pali: Lankadipo ayam ahu sihena Sihala iti.
Oldenberry Translation: The island of Lanka was called Sihala after the Lion.
Mayil Ravana’s Commentary to Wijepala: Mokada Yako thopi me wage boru kiyanne? Lajja Nedda?
You really have to develop some intellectual honesty here mate. However, I respect your strategic interest here and I intend to modulate that to serve the purpose of Mother Lanka as well. Perhaps we are both ultimately working towards the same goal (wink wink). Otherwise, hopefully the bloggers and visitors will at least be able to obtain a balance between differing views.
My next installment will include the description of the “Sinhalese” and the “Tamuls” by a POME racist bastard who visited the island soon after the 1848 rebellion. Hopefully you will all be both entertained and infuriated. I don’t know when I’ll be back. Definitely by the 27th. Heh Heh Heh. Hoo Hoo Hoo. Bye for now.
Peace be to All,
I have just spoken to a very accomplished Sinhala specialist who told me about having to help a lot of Sri Lankans and Indians training in the specialty. There is no particular difference between Sinhala or Tamil. This specialist related how a Tamil doctor who was struggling badly but was helped to get through by this specialist who was her mentor. The specialist happens to be an examiner who also examined another Tamil who was a real smart arse. However, the guy did well in his station and was awarded the best mark. The specialist concerned related this with a sense of pride about the young (Sri Lankan) Tamil doctor (even so this specialist probably likes the first doctor over the second one as a person).
If you are really concerned about peace then why don't you act like this Sinhala specialist who does not discriminate and in fact takes pride in his Tamil as well as Sinhala brethren?
Crap !! rana ..
I did not see that .. thx for pointing out mate ..lol
Ali brother,
You wellcome any time, mate.
Lankapura,
Well said, bro!
MayilRawana,
I think you got your man, brother! It is interesting to see his reactions for that. Iam waiting keenly.
Good show with a crystal clear cob web which will be difficult to see but with ever possibility of the catch! mate.
Lankapura,
"From the 1970s there have been Tamil organisations working through both military and political ways for a separate nation. I don't have the time to go through the entire history with you, but I can point to you some pages in 'Sri Lankan Tamil Insurgency' by Rohan Gunaratne."
I have all of Gunaratna's books. There were Tamil militant groups in the 1970s but they were too small to do anything significant in those days. They had no ability to challenge the Sri Lankan state, even though the military was tiny and poorly armed and trained.
A gentleman named nesan used to post here and also disagreed with my emphasis on 1983. He argued that violence against the Tamils before 1983 pushed them to separatism: 1974 police raid against International Tamil Conference in Jaffna, 1977 anti-Tamil riots, 1981 Jaffna Library burning.
"You can read about the activities of the LTTE in the 1970s and its links to Amirthalingam (page 8-12). You can read a speech made by Krishna Vaikunthavasan (of TCC, now an LTTE front) to the UN General Assembly in 1978 calling for a separate nation."
Neither of these two things were very significant. Amirthalingam used the LTTE in the late 1970s against Tamils who defected from TULF. Krishna Vaikunthavasan was not given permission to speak at the UN- he just ran up to the microphone and started blabbing, or something like that. Any idiot can do that.
"The only thing that happened in 1983 that the international financing for LTTE got a huge boost with the thousands of Tamils leaving Sri Lanka."
That's a pretty major outcome to trivialize as "the only thing." That's like Peter saying "the only thing that the SL govt. was able to do over the last two years was retaking the East, sinking the LTTE supply ships, and driving the LTTE out of the western coast."
There were 2 major consequences of 1983 riots that totally changed the dynamics of Tamil politics:
1) 1000s of Tamils joined the then-tiny militant groups: Before Black July the LTTE only had 30 members, and there were a total of 200 militants from all groups. By 1984 there were 1,500 Tigers and tens of thousands of other Tamil militants.
2) 1000s of Tamils fled to India and the West and turned those regions against SL: Sri Lanka became a pariah state thanks to 1983. No one other than Pakistan and apartheid South Africa gave assistance to SL. India on the other hand opened its doors to the Tamil militants after 1983 and gave training, weapons, and most important sanctuary.
"I also recommend 'Anthropologizing Sri Lanka' by Susantha Goonatilake, as your awareness of Sri Lankan history from a non-Tamil perspective is very weak."
I've read Susantha's book and it has little to do with history. Rather it is a critique of anthropologists' interpretations of Sri Lankan culture.
wesi-kili madiwata kesi-kili
kili-nochchi yanakota ohoma thama
Now we have another wesaballa aka wijayapala.
This is a blog to discuss war not bullshit. If anyone has a problem with it go jump in the lake.
PBTA, if you want peace don't beg us, go beg the LTTE to surrender.
Surrender is the only option available to the LTTE. Its your cousins, brothers, sisters, rather nephews and nieces in the LTTE, not ours. (You seem to be an old asshole.) So you tell them to surrender.
LankaPura,
In my previous post, I was refering to your reply to peace be to all.
Now, of the rugby (league) world cup, it was a magnificent show for the first time after 54 years of league WC history. Unbelieveble achievement. we started watching it live at 10.00 PM here thinking another easy win for Aussies but soon realised that kiwi are fighting hard., by 60 the minute, we were cheering to be jubiliant at the last penalty try.
Marvellous bro, thanks.
Ninja,
"my understanding is Sanskrit pundits who dominated the litriture at that era like to used the word 'lanka' (which was used in ramayana etc) for us and our scholers followed them most of the time thus may be they also use the same word."
Mahavamsa was written at a time before Sanskrit influenced Sri Lanka and the Sinhala language (and it was written in Pali anyway).
"However, I don't see he blaming on 'tamils' at least a single time rather he use the term 'tamil racism' continuously."
By using the term "Tamil racism" like a broken record, he is basically blaming everything on Tamils. Not once does he use the term "Sinhala racism"- it's as if there is no such thing as Sinhala racism.
"Its not clear what you try to say. If you are saying he influenced students to kill tamils in July 83 then you should be joking."
No joke. What do you think that the Jathika Chintanaya was about?
"1. Nalin has never siad about destroying tamils. If one can't find the difference between destroying tamils and defeating tamil racism its theier inability."
Anyone reading his writings would see that he has a problem with Tamils. When Nalin talks about "Tamil racism" he does not simply bring up Amirthalingam or Chelvanayagam. He goes all the way back to the Cholas which has virtually nothing to do with the present (the JHU has this same problem of dragging in irrelevant ancient history). When outsiders read his crap, they get the impression that Sinhalese believe that the Tamils were their mortal enemies for 1000s of years!
"2. If LTTE have to use single person's written articles to prove a whole nation is evil it shows how bankruot is LTTE."
They match Nalin's writings with the atrocities that various SL govts and the armed forces committed against the Tamils in the 1980s and early 1990s.
"3. If whoever those europians belive such LTTE propaganda totaly based on Nalin's articles they should be really dumb. (But, yes, it matters for us.)"
One way or another, Nalin has been far more a liability to the anti-LTTE cause than an asset.
"I find your arguements getting weaker. How can you compare Nalin who had number of listners can be put into two CTB buses with Amirthalingam who was addressing to basically whole tamil population in SL?"
You are entirely correct that Amirthalingam had a far greater stature among the Tamils than Nalin had among the Sinhalese (if more Sinhalese listened to Nalin, there probably wouldn't be any Tamils left in SL today). But my basic argument is the same- if you cannot call Nalin a racist, then by the same token you can't call Amir or Chelva racists either.
This forum is now attracting LTTE agents trying to salvage a role for the LTTE in the post-war future of Sri Lanka. They are frantically trying to preserve the Eelam dream of an aparthied Tamil-only state in Sri Lanka and achieve in peace what they failed to win in war.
When I proposed an omnipresent 500,000 man SLDF backed by a 4,000,000 strong National Guard, they are mortified, because that means that a small group of fanatics, claiming to be the sole representative of a very small ethnic minority will never again be able to call the shots and dominate any part of Sri Lanka. This defensive force is designed to discourage and both external and internal enemies of Sri Lanka: prevention is better than a cure.
LTTE agents, some in the guise of Sinhalese, and others claiming to be peace makers, are trying to control the debate. I give everyone an equal hearing until they reveal themselves beyond reasonable doubt as LTTE agents. Thereafter, I ignore them because my time is precious and my words will not change their minds.
Some LTTE supporters make racist remarks saying Tamils are intrinsically more intelligent and capable of greater professional achievement than Sinhala people to provoke us. I join the "Punisher" in refuting this "master race complex", which is perhaps at the root of the current conflict. On the contrary, in the US, there are thousands of highly qualified, highly successful Sinhala scientists, engineers and doctors at universities, national laboratories and industry, that contradict this awful view. A large number of my Peradeniya University Efac classmates, both Tamil and Sinhala, have also done exceptionally well abroad. I see no ethnic difference in ability or intelligence between these two communities. Achievement is primarily an individual characteristic, enabled by exceptionally hard work and access to educational and professional advancement opportunities.
I believe that devolution of power to geographic regions on the basis of ethnicity is a prescription for the eventual destruction of Sri Lanka. For example, various ethnic groups are struggling to separate from India, while caste-based groups are attempting to slice and dice the Indian Union into ever smaller units (e.g., Ramadoss's demand for "Vanniyar-only" separate state in Norhern Tamil Nadu). Thus, the flawed Indian Model of ethnicity-based Federalism is not working even in India, why then should we adopt it? Perhaps, the only benefit of being small, is that such an top-heavy Federal framework, permanently embedding dangerous ethnic divisions within the governing structure of the country,to boil and spill over in the future, is not necessary in Sri Lanka.
Today, the large majority of the Tamils in Sri Lanka live among the Sinhala people in the South. Sinhala and Moslem people should have the same freedom to live in safety the North and East. The ideal end result should be the emergence of a homogeneous mix of all communities everywhere in the country. Devolution of power to regions on the basis of ethnicity would only embed ethnic divisions permanently in the political framework of the country, setting the stage for civil discord in the future.
No citizen of Sri Lanka should aspire to greater rights, or exclusive rights in any region of the country, than any other, irrespective of race, religion or language, and it is the duty of the Government to enforce that. This will be resisted by the LTTE supporters who will not want to give up their dream of a Greater Dravidian Nation: after all, if you can have your own exclusive piece of Sri Lanka solely for yourself, and enjoy the rest of Sri Lanka in equal measure, who would not want a great deal like that? That would permit the LTTE to have their own cake and eat ours as well.
Once the LTTE is defeated in the current semi-conventional war, they will resort to urban and guerilla warfare, hiding among civilians, and launching terrorist attacks against ordinary civilians and government installations. To suppress that, we will need a much larger defence force than we have now, stationed permanently in every town and village, and supported by the eyes and ears of the entire population and the National Guard.
The lesson that the US Army learned in Iraq was that a high-tech efficient force equippped to defeating a conventional enemy is quite inadequate in numbers to protect people against a hidden guerilla force. Gen. Shinseki, US Army Chief of Staff, warned the Bush Administration and Rumsfeld of this when he asked for a much larger force to invade and hold post-war Iraq, but was dismissed for daring to offer his dissenting view. In this type of low-tech conflict, the number density of boots on the ground, and the availability of intelligence coming from the people, are critical factors. In Sri Lanka, the SLDF will have a great advantage: the majority of the people of Sri Lanka oppose terrorism and support the SLDF and the Govt. If a well organized and National Guard, distributed throughout the country, is set up as I have proposed, it will be impossible for the LTTE guerillas to survive among the people.
In this way, the combination of a large SLDF (500,000 strong), and a National Guard including all adult Sri Lankans (4,000,000 strong), will not only be able to protect the country against external enemies, but against the internal enemy planning, even as I write, to ressurect itself and survive as a guerrilla force.
Ananda-USA,
Well said.
I like the word mortified.
Terrorists are mortified.
Q: Who make someone mortified?
A: Motorists
LOL!
Merandy,Andare,Perein,
Sorry for the delay. Just got up after a all night romp. I have emailed it as requested.
Sri Lankikaya / Perein,
“is this someones ploy to collect e mails id's”
Apino got no hidden agenda. Honestly I did not think that people would be requesting this mail since I guess this mail was widely circulated. I got it from an ordinary friend ( civilian average Joe like me)residing in SL.
Then I cannot blame you for being cautious.
Word of advice to all patriots; never publish your personal email addresses in this blog. Always use an email which is created solely to share this type of information. Moshe the wise has already suggested this to Sam I see.
Ali,
Alpino...??? He he he?
Rana,
Albino……….watch it bro……..I will get you in Kiwiland!!!!
TropicalStormm,
I see you have published them .
By Apino…..he he he….I take no credit for these shots. Just sharing with my fellow patriots.
Cheers all
4 more days to 27-Nov and the recapture of NachchiKuda……flags post must be ready I guess.
Priyashantha, mate you said:
/This is a blog to discuss war not bullshit./
DW has never said anything like that. As far as I am concerned, Anybody who has valid email address can open a google account and post anything he/she wants. Only the author or DW can delete those.
You owe an explanation on this mate because it is not directed to any particular bloger but general to all.
Then you said:
/If anyone has a problem with it go jump in the lake./
Yes, I have a problem with that but I am not going do as you suggests. I am also not trying to make a division in the camp. You also better don't try.
This is a open forum and please do not try to gag blogers.
I hope you will understand, wher I am coming from and post a sensible reply.
Thank you in advance.
Apino ..
sorry bro .. wasnt paying attention . And good advice by the way about email addresses .
Looks like this one will a one SOB of the fight doesn't it for the 55 and the 53 .. looks like one we had to do some day or the other . Lets not forget these boys patriots , they give their life so that others can live .
Mayilravana,
Can you show an example of one prosperous country where the military had controlled the economy?
"I'll give you 2: China, USA"
Both are wrong. The US military only took its current form after WWII; before WWII it did not even have a large standing Army, yet it had become a prosperous nation.
China's economic boom had little to do with the military but a great deal to do with Chinese entrepreneurship.
"Arrogance comes before a fall. So be careful about challenging even a non-expert who may nevertheless be well trained academically and can see the holes in the arguments and assertions made by experts."
You should read your own words.
"I have read critical reviews of Mahadevan’s work and in fact one of the references I provided (Shinu A. Abraham) does deal with the validity of the works of Mahadevan among others."
One thing you have to be careful about when referencing Indian scholars like Abraham is their tendency to invoke a fallacy called appeal to ignorance aka argumentum ex silenco- the argument that if something is not mentioned, then it did not exist.
Example: if Sinhala literature or inscriptions did not mention that the Sinhalese had two arms, two legs, and five fingers per hands, then the Sinhalese did not have these things.
RALH Gunawardena used these arguments to deny the existence of a Sinhala consciousness until KNO Dharmadasa refuted him by citing the earliest extant Sinhala literature. There was the argument that the word "Sinhala" did not appear in ancient inscriptions, and therefore the Sinhala identity must not have existed back then.
If I understand Dr. Abraham's arguments correctly, she does not argue that Tamil literature lacks mention of a Tamil identity in ancient times- the very fact that she uses the literary term "Tamilakam" ("Tamil homeland") demonstrates that- but rather she argues that archeology and literature tend to tell different stories about identity, and that social, political, and economic factors of the period must be accounted for.
"You have in a previous post indicated that the works such as Mahavamsa do not refer to the Sinhalas."
You need to invest in some reading glasses. I was not referring to the Sinhala people or Sinhala identity, but the name "Sinhale" for the island. The Mahavamsa and Culavamsa use "Lanka" far more than they use "Sinhale" to name the island.
Ananda-USA writes,
"This forum is now attracting LTTE agents trying to salvage a role for the LTTE in the post-war future of Sri Lanka."
And looking at Ananda's latest post, this forum is also attracting armchair dumbasses who can't even defend their views properly when challenged.
"When I proposed an omnipresent 500,000 man SLDF backed by a 4,000,000 strong National Guard, they are mortified, because that means that a small group of fanatics, claiming to be the sole representative of a very small ethnic minority will never again be able to call the shots and dominate any part of Sri Lanka."
With a 500,000 man regular SLA, the island will go broke and the people will degenerate into illiteracy and disease. I would argue that only someone who wants SL to suffer would advocate the Ananda path.
"LTTE agents, some in the guise of Sinhalese, and others claiming to be peace makers, are trying to control the debate."
And dumbasses, some in the guise of learned defense experts, are trying to argue that a 500,000-man SLA is not only sustainable but profitable.
"I give everyone an equal hearing until they reveal themselves beyond reasonable doubt as LTTE agents."
It rather seems that Ananda gives everyone an equal hearing until they prove that they're smarter than him. At that point he labels them as "LTTE agents" and runs away.
"Thereafter, I ignore them because my time is precious and my words will not change their minds."
Translation: "Thereafter, I Ananda ignore them because I'm afraid of making an ass out of myself further."
"Once the LTTE is defeated in the current semi-conventional war, they will resort to urban and guerilla warfare, hiding among civilians, and launching terrorist attacks against ordinary civilians and government installations. To suppress that, we will need a much larger defence force than we have now, stationed permanently in every town and village, and supported by the eyes and ears of the entire population and the National Guard."
Actually what you will need is a highly-skilled police/paramilitary force with adequate language skills and intelligence collection capabilities to track down the terrorists and eliminate them. You can't accomplish that simply with a bloated military and civil defense forces comprised of monolingual forces incapable of interacting with the Tamils.
"In this type of low-tech conflict, the number density of boots on the ground, and the availability of intelligence coming from the people, are critical factors."
Number density of boots on the ground did not bring victory to the US in the Vietnam War. If you want intelligence, you'll have to know how to collect it and speak the lingo.
"If a well organized and National Guard, distributed throughout the country, is set up as I have proposed, it will be impossible for the LTTE guerillas to survive among the people."
Will Tamils be allowed in this National Guard? If the only internal threat comes from the LTTE, one would hope the Tamils' contribution would be the key....
DW i think u must be very careful mentioning da casuality figures coz ppl like Mongal Samaraweera take these numbers and talk like all dese boys are dead..
Please break dem down and mention ... keep up the gud work ..
DW,
Time for a new thread. Its now 581* (not out). :)
Peace be to All,
"I find that you are fighting a lone battle against Sinhala war mongers and LTTE Tamil extremists."
Yup. Everybody loves me. I think you should know who I really am (which pretty much no one here has any clue of) before you write further nice things to me. You have probably run into me before in The Lanka Academic where I used to post under the handle "Taraki." From your writings I presume you are "peace4all."
"Tamils have outperformed Sinhalas and it is natural that jeolousy arises in the minds of the majority. But they should understand Tamils are naturally gifted professionals than Sinhalas. No disrespect but Sinhalas are better in other fields. Therefore Tamils are marginally better in apprehending and devising a political solution where Sinahal, Tamil and Mosolem people can live in territories governed by their own people within a united Sri Lanka."
I don't really care what other people here think about me, and normally I would reach out to anyone who's at least somewhat civilized to me, but I do have to say that I found your statements highly offensive. Actually I was far more offended by your words than the crap that all of the pro-LTTE dumbasses combined came up with.
With this single statement, you have unfortunately blown your credibility and no non-Tamil here will now listen to what you have to say, regardless of how valid your other beliefs may be and how many apologies you offer. It is too bad you couldn't keep your Tamil superiority complex to yourself among non-Tamils.
I have a question for you, Mr. Superior- what is your idea of a political solution? Please explain it in very simple terms for my inferior Sinhala brain to comprehend.
"Sinhala Buddhists are a very noble race and this nobleness should be protected."
Earlier you said that we're inferior to Tamils and jealous. So what are we- "noble" or "inferior/jealous?"
"I am from Jaffna and I am a professional based in a developed country where people are respected irrespective of their ethnicity."
Is Tamil an official or national language in the country where you live?
Ahh you're from Jaffna, now I understand the whole superiority bit. You probably look down on all non-Jaffna Tamils equally as you do the Sinhalese, right?
"This war was the creation of Sinhala politicians from 1915 Sinhala-Muslim riots."
Are you talking about the same riots where more Sinhalese than Muslims were killed, thanks to the actions of the Malay Muslim-dominated police? What role did Sinhala leaders have in that violence, and what does any of this have to do with today?
"LTTE is only the manifestation of Sinhala nationalistic extremism."
Yes and no. No in the sense that V. Prabakaran was hardly motivated by Sinhala nationalism- he was a hardcore Tamil nationalist from his youth and would've created the LTTE even if there had been no anti-Tamil problems. Yes in the sense that anti-Tamil violence helped transform the LTTE from a pitiful band of high-school dropouts into what it is today.
"As we hate the LTTE we should also hate Sinhala political swindlers like Mahindha, Kotabhaya and Kealiya."
Mahinda would never have become President if the LTTE didn't ruin the peace process.
"Why don't they come up with a political solution and solve this for good?"
Because a political solution will not make the LTTE disappear.
"What will happen to Tamil people if the government win the war?"
That is an extremely important and valid question to ask.
"If the government comes up with a good political solution no one will support the LTTE and the war will end within a couple of months. Tamil mothers and fathers will bring their LTTE children to army camps and hand them over."
My impression is that if Tamil mothers and fathers try to get their children, the Tigers will shoot them. That is what has happened so far.
"War with LTTE is OK as far as civilians and poor Tamil boys and girls are not massacred by a trained and well armed army which must conduct itself according to the rules of war."
Ok. How do we fight in a way that civilians don't get killed?
Rana,
"You are exibiting so much energy and that reminds me my 20/twenties brother."
Actually the Arse reminds me strongly of a 10 year-old boy next door who was not potty-trained by his parents because of a mental deficiency, and he would walk around in diapers with sh!t in his pants.
But on second thought, that kid was still not an obnoxious turd- wasn't his fault that he was born that way.
Apino my dearest Brother!
You are wellcome to kiwiland any time you wish, mate. We will have a couple of heinekens to celebrate Pooneryn, or may be by that time EP and Kili!!!!
BTW when I wrote Albino, I didn't mean "siles" from "THE DA VINCI CODE", I was trying merely for a synonym or a similar sounding word.
Wijayapala,
Come on, I didn't expect anything like that from you. I thought you are an intellectual.
If you leave his colourful langauge and stinging missiles apart, he is a very nice young person anybody will love to have on their side.
You are lacking in the area of understanding your adversaries and the form of best attack required too.
Rana brother,
I only directed it at Mr. Pieces to All and WB who are begging us for Tamilelam.
Never thought of hinting anything bad to you or other good boys.
I have this feeling WB is Pieces to All. Pieces to all bowls slow balls for WB to hit sixes. WB is getting exposed too much now. This way he can get back his fast losing credibility.
Earlier he played the same trick with echolalia and "MIA" until I exposed him. After that both disappeared.
I'm expecting this pieces to all shitt to disappear now.
Can you see they both came to the same end point?
"Ok. How do we fight in a way that civilians don't get killed?"
hoooo hooooo
aney WB sakkiliyo!
umba nang mental case ekak.
Breaking news
"Army lays siege to Kilinochchi; LTTE defences fast falling apart
Sri Lanka Army offensive divisions in the Wanni theatre of operations are now marching towards the Kilinochchi built up in three frontiers, defence sources in the battlefield said. Amy Task Force 1 and 57 Division have launched attacks at the LTTE held earth bund built around Kilinochchi outskirts.
According to the latest reports from the battlefront, pitched battles are going on in the North of Adampan, South of Adampan and Therumurikandi areas since early this morning (Nov 23).
Army Task Force 1 launched a predawn offensive targeting LTTE defence in the North of Admapan area. Infantrymen of 17 Gamunu Watch (17 GW), 12 Gajaba Regiment (12 GR), and 8 Sinha Regiment (8 SR) have been able to capture LTTE strongholds on the earth bund at three locations after crushing stiff resistance. Troops are now consolidating their positions. Intercepted radio transmissions have confirmed heavy damages to the terrorists during these clashes.
Meanwhile, Army 57 division troops are now fighting the terrorists in the vicinity of the LTTE held earth bund in the Admapan area. According to the sources, LTTE defence in the area are fast falling apart. Troops of 12 SR, and 9 GR are engaged in the battle.
In the North of Kokavil area , troops of 8 Sri Lanka Light Infantry (8 SLLI), and 10 SLLI are now advancing towards the A-9 road . The latest reports from the front reveal that troops are fighting in close proximity to the LTTE held earth bund built across the A-9 road in the Therumukandi area. Also, reports add that the terrorist have taken to their heels in the face of army advance.
More information will follow... "
defence.lk
Apino
no offence intended
Ananada USA
Agree with you mate regarding both the ground intelligence required and the relatively large numbers of the armed forces required to keep this sort of calamity occurring again.
Re ground intelligence a comment made sometime ago by moderate tamil civil servant springs to mind.
He said that the biggest mistake GOSL made (a while ago) was replacing the old village headman system by the Grama Sevaka system. The old village headman was from the village or area itself and knew intimately what was going on whereas the present grama sevaka is an outsider who has almost no close contact with the people.
We must re-establish some system that gives us a close knowledge of whats going on.
Re a establishment of a large armed services, one needs only to look at the case of Singapore, a land where internationals have set up because of its stability.
Prosperity comes from internal stability.
Priyashantha, understood mate.
When I saw this PBTA's first post, I thought replying to it, then I realised it has nothing worth while to reply, it is only a crap.
Just forget my post, brother.
BTW, I saw your next post, do you have latest on Muhamalei and nagarkovil axis, bro?
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Wijayapala, mate.
This has reference to your reply to PBTA:
I think, you are confirming my intuitive feeling about you day by day.
I think you are on a solid ground about the recent past of SL but not sure about your standing on the events prior to 1983.
I am also, begining to understand why you are hated by both sides.
Go on brother, write you mind loudly without being paranoia to yes phobia. That is the only way to clear the mist around you.
DW and DA,
What are you trying to do? Perhaps to establish a new world record for a longest thread!!! Or you must be trying hard to loose overwhelming number of participators to a manageble number.
Well numbers will go down drastically by tomorrow, if you do not start punching your keyboard ASAP.
Sri Lankikaya...No offense taken bro....just kidding.
Dearest Bro Rana....the keeper of the Patriots in this blog.....thanks for the offer. God willing we shall have few beers in Kiwiland and even better by the Marshlands of Nachchikuda too.
He he he .....Albino, the "siles" ...thats a good one.
Cheers mate and good week ahead
Wijayapala, I am not going to argue further about 1983 because it was never about the importance of 1983. If you said militant separatism escalated after 1983 (due to many reasons you listed) there is no argument.
With regards to Susantha G. book, I am surprised you have read it, because it breaks down your theory that Anagarika Dharmapala was not an anti-colonial (page 245).
I think, LTTE plan was to get a plane for every family. That is why all international, government & and other aids were used to build air stripes.
Please comments.
Apino, Apino, Apino,
I got your RPG staight into my den and you have better reaction with accurate aim to go along.
I always like good sport, when I see one, bro.
You to have nice week and cheers.
Hi Apino
" God willing we shall have few beers in Kiwiland and even better by the Marshlands of Nachchikuda too."
Few beers in Kiwiland because you won Rugby League world cup by beating Aussie pussy cat.
I would agree with Mr Brown.
Loosing 300 Soldiers and gaining 800 M in Muhamlai is not worth. We need to attach from south and west.
I think all these trouble started during 1070's Sirima government. The education Minister brought in the University admission bill. The entrance quota was allocated based on the district and the races. This preveted a lot of tamils entering university.
I think it goes to 1956 when SWRD B'nayaka brought in the Only Sinhala official language.
This helps tamils to learn all 3 languages while Sinhalese stick with Sinhalese only. Sinhalese did not take any effort to learn even English.
Blogger Lalith said...
I would agree with Mr Brown.
Loosing 300 Soldiers and gaining 800 M in Muhamlai is not worth. We need to attach from south and west.
This is something where I also went mistaken for. [DW this is partly your fault, pls be careful with casualty figures]. DW said 300 out of military due to death of injury. He later broke it down to a 60 death and another ~60-70 severely wounded. That was quite a small figure compared to what previously stated.
The gain is not in meters, but on strategic importantance. Especially for the overall victory. As you can see in map, Muhamale is almost to the north of Pooneryn across lagoon. And to hold pooneryn and move further to Paranthan it is essential to clear the other side.
And you are NOT aggreing with brown, brown said some 1500 is dead or so. It was only stated by brown and nobody - even tigers - claim that. So you are only agreeing to a number you miss interpreted for DW post. So you CAN NOT use other numbers and agree with brown here.
Only if you're Brown, yes you can, as Brown agrees with Brown anyway. That we leave for time to clarify.
So if you're genuinely representing you here, pls go back and read more on Muha-NK attacks. There is more to gain there than mere meters. Although I was severely hurt with the outcome, it is a MUST. Other option was to give in for piss-talks and prolong war, risking all we did in past years.
Then during UNP governemnts after 77, UNP thuggers with Sirikotha people (Jathika Sevaka Sangamaya) led by Kelaniya MP, Ministry of Industries ( I can't remeber) went to Jaffna by busses and rigged all polling booths and fired the Liabrary. Ranil was a part of that government.
Those are the consequences.
ela ela
HI Sujeewa
I may be wrong. But casualty rate is very high. Army should have attacked from other sides. Then LTTE has to spread their strength. WHen It was very close to Killi, it should have been done.
This for Panhinda, History and swarnajith Udana,
SOS, SOS, SOS
I appeal to you all, please come back. This the hour, we all need your invaluable contribution now.
I know you all are reading this from somewhere silently which is not enough.
I hope to read you all tomorrow!
Hi Lalith,
Me Apino is not in Kiwiland....tell you the truth I have never watched a Rugby match be it local or international .....too advance for this bloke. But talk badminton and I will shower you with good body shots .........that's my specialty.
One more thing, my name is Apino Dannaches AKA Api Nondannachess.....so you can understand mate.
Cheers
Sujeewa Kokawala, you stated "DW said 300 out of military due to death of injury."
False, he said that this was casualties including walking wounded.
DW?DW?DW,
want a new post soon and a looooong one too.cant wait ....Defnet also has posted one.but we wanna a post from you.Make it long as I mentioned b4 coz we ve waited too long...
Don't Insult Our Heroes
- Good Answer To Mr. Mangala From Lt. General Sarath Fonseka
YouTube Video
You boys can play with Wijepala until DW compiles a new article.
Kilinochchi Under Siege!!!!
We are in for a good Birthday present for Mr. Prabakaran.
600+ posts for "army advances 1km in m,uhamalai, kilali"!! phew! that means something.
SLDFs didn't go straight to kili. some said the govt is waiting for the budget. others said SLDFs can't take kili. some others said LTTE has withdrawn from kili to mula.
but govt's straegy is VERY agreesive that no one imagine we would go HEAD ON against the LTTE in their crap mahaveer week.
in direct "retaliation" to tigers annual mahaveer crap SLDFs celebrated war heores week last week and this week they are in for the big one.
this is a very aggressive war plan which will have MASSIVE political and psycological effects on tigers.
this is sri lanka's HAKKA (what the NZ rugby team does before a match)
may God bless our soldiers and proud Sri Lankans in their biggest ever aggressive display of who they are. let the lions roar!
Hi Moshe
"this is sri lanka's HAKKA (what the NZ rugby team does before a match)"
It is Army (HAKKA) (or F**k)
Then LTTE got (HUKKA) (or get F****D by (HAKKA)
Hi Hi
Hi Pivi tharu
It is not easy to get Killi.
Hi Bungu
DW doesn't have news because Army is not making any progress now.
Hi killert
You have to wait another one week. DW doesn't have news as Army is not making progress after massive lost in Muhamale.
Hi Infinity
"Strange day indeed when it is Athas who first report the latest gains for the government. According to him the whole A9 between Mankulam and Omanthai seems to be captured."
It not from Makulam to Omanthai.
It from Mankulam to North.
The Army is awaiting for LTTE to withdraw tachtically from Omanthai.
Hi Apino
Batminton is not a world game. It is only played in few countries. It is a failed game like LTTE.
Play Cricket, Rugby, Soccer, or Netball. They all got world cup.
Who cares Badminton.
Who is this new monkey in the blog?
Hi last_mile
Did you mean Prabha?
Lalith, please read Athas article. Pro-LTTE websites like to cite him, so why stop now.
"The next day, troops from the Army's Task Force 2 advanced northwards from Omanthai, until recently the only entry-exit point to Wanni. They recaptured Puliyankulam, an area where there was a string of pitched battles during Operation Jaya Sikurui (Victory Assured). During this operation, troops trying to link areas under guerrilla control between Vavuniya with Kilinochchi met with stiff rebel resistance. Now, both the Task Force 3 and 2 have begun advancing in an easterly direction into areas dominated by the guerrillas.
Both the Task Force 2 and 3 may link up with the 59 Division as they continue their advance. See map on this page for the latest on the battlefront.
Even before the Task Force 2 moved northwards from Omanthai the guerrillas had withdrawn some of their cadres and logistics from their end of the entry-exit point there. On November 18 this gateway to the Wanni has been rendered ineffective. This was after the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) withdrew. The Army wants to set up an entry-exit point in Mankulam. The guerrillas have moved their facilities to Oddusuddan."
http://www.sundaytimes.lk/081123/Columns/sitreport.html
Hi Infinity
But the latest map does not show it. It showed only area around Mankulam and soem parts of Oddushudan road and about 2 KM to the north.
sw parts of Kilinochchi captured
Lalith, you mean the old map defence.lk map from November 18th. Sorry, it is actually today a later date than that. Athas has a more updated map in his article.
Lalith, as pro-LTTE, please make the effort and read Athas article, who pro-LTTE supporters have cited so frequently in the past.
Lalith,
All the trouble started after a dog shagged a mule 9 months before Nov 26th 1954.
Hi Infinity
Athas article says about capturing from Omanthai. But it is not clear about A9. I checked defence.lk, Media center or army.lk. Non of these says about it.
I do not believe Athas articles 100%.
Hi last_mile
You mean SWRD broke away from UNP.
Hi Ranger
It is not Killi town. It is a part of Killi District.
Lalith, nor did they say that they had captured the first LTTE fdl at Jaffna for several days. Seems to be a new policy to wait for some time and secure the area from LTTE counter-attacks before making an announcement.
Similarly, many sources have stated the Kokavil has been caputured even if defence.lk is yet to announce this.
That Omanthai has been captured is the only good explanation for why people have been allowed to escape there from VP's hereditary dictatorship.
Athas: "They recaptured Puliyankulam". That is at the midpoint of the A9 between Omanthai and Mankulam.
infinity,
u'r dead right! I have mentioned this in an earlier post. MOD waits till they successfully negate any counter offensives by the LTTE b4 going public with it. They captured Kokavil area by passing the A9 2 days b4 pooneryn capture. They r even in control of the SLRC transmitter. But LTTE is stil in a counter offensive over there, they will publicise it once chasing the terrorists away.
Hi Infinity
I remeber about a month ago Army said it captured Kokavil. I saw some pictures of the blastered train. After a month later Army again said it captured Kokavil.
Did LTTE recaptured from army?
Hi Vajira
Don't you remember Army captured Kokavil about a month ago?
Lalith, defence.lk or army.lk have never said that the army has captured Kokavil. Link if claiming that. They have said that they were approaching, but not captured.
Vajira, yes, I remembered your earlier post. Sources such Daily News have also said that Kokavil and radio tower has been captured.
"The LTTE has been entrapped in the area east of A-9 road in the areas North of Mankulam as the 574 Brigade under the command of Lt. Colonel Senaka Wijesuriya took the Kokavil Rupavahini tower area under the Security Forces control."
http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2008/11/23/sec01.asp
Lalith,
I never said Badminton is!!! Got that mate. Don't jump the gun.
Since this is a defense blog I will not talk about badminton here.
After all we have left Mahen to believe that Nachchikuda will be recaptured by 27-Nov. so what is badminton to me mate.
Hope you will find a meaningful occupation bro.
Cheers
Lalith,
the 57th division approached the a9 road in kokavil around 2 months ago. Since then they restricted movement of LTTE on the A9. Since then they never attempted to cross the A9 till last week where they penetrated the LTTE defences east of A9.
Dear Patriots
Why do I get the feeling I just replied to Primate.
Do I smell another monkey here? Looks like the resident monkey is back under another name.
Please don't get drawn in to monkey talk.
Cheers
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